Re: Gardner Liveaboard Scow
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, lon wells <lononriver@y...> wrote:
that is home buildable and actually sails(!) drop designer Tad
Roberts a line and ask about his barge HARRY.......he's a real
cutey,in a handsome sort of way(HARRY the barge,that is) and I'm sure
Tad would be surprised by the enquiry regarding this design!
Peter Lenihan
> "And Therewith on His Hands and on His Knees He WentIndeed! And for anyone looking for a scow/barge/live-a-board vessel
> so Nigh that He Touched the Holy Vessel"
> by
> Sir William Russell Flint in reference to the Holy
> Grail.
>
> Gee! are we talking about a scow? Scows are simple
> easy to build vessels.
that is home buildable and actually sails(!) drop designer Tad
Roberts a line and ask about his barge HARRY.......he's a real
cutey,in a handsome sort of way(HARRY the barge,that is) and I'm sure
Tad would be surprised by the enquiry regarding this design!
Peter Lenihan
I agree with Lon (nice touch, that Flint quote!). I appreciate how much
distraction can occur with casual interruptions, but guarding the plans
AFTER they've been placed in a collection would seem to be going a bit
far....
Speaking of Mr. Bray, am I the only one who is both puzzled and frustrated
by his omission of any draft data from the books of design reviews that he
and his wife have authored? Must live on deep water, I guess....
I was recently at Mystic and thought I'd pick up the plans for the John
Gardner 14' semi-dory at the plans department. "The what?", they said.....
Turns out, even though the design is in one of his books (written while he
was in residence there, BTW), they hadn't heard of it. "Hmmmmm," said I,
"but you HAVE one over on the Livery Dock." Still no bells; some days you
can't win. Guess I'll pull out my reading glasses and work from the book,
although I thought it would be a bit more convenient to have the full-size
draws, as well as pass along some compensation to whoever inherited the
rights......
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: lon wells [mailto:lononriver@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:34 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Gardner Liveaboard Scow
"And Therewith on His Hands and on His Knees He Went
so Nigh that He Touched the Holy Vessel"
by
Sir William Russell Flint in reference to the Holy
Grail.
Gee! are we talking about a scow? Scows are simple
easy to build vessels. They are not complicated boats
that need some great designer. The idea of Maynard
Bray who does take nice pictures acting as a Knights
Templar guarding scow plans and that you must prove
you are worthy to see them is just too much to take
seriously.
With the exception of building some historic vessel it
is best to have a designer that is willing to speak to
you when you are building their design. That is one
of the reasons you have paid your money.
These people are taking themselves and their plans too
seriously. There are too many good designers on the
water to have too put up with that. I heard what some
have said about Bolger's ideas on scows but I would
still give him a try or some other good designer
before I had to prove I am worthy.
Lon
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distraction can occur with casual interruptions, but guarding the plans
AFTER they've been placed in a collection would seem to be going a bit
far....
Speaking of Mr. Bray, am I the only one who is both puzzled and frustrated
by his omission of any draft data from the books of design reviews that he
and his wife have authored? Must live on deep water, I guess....
I was recently at Mystic and thought I'd pick up the plans for the John
Gardner 14' semi-dory at the plans department. "The what?", they said.....
Turns out, even though the design is in one of his books (written while he
was in residence there, BTW), they hadn't heard of it. "Hmmmmm," said I,
"but you HAVE one over on the Livery Dock." Still no bells; some days you
can't win. Guess I'll pull out my reading glasses and work from the book,
although I thought it would be a bit more convenient to have the full-size
draws, as well as pass along some compensation to whoever inherited the
rights......
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: lon wells [mailto:lononriver@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:34 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Gardner Liveaboard Scow
"And Therewith on His Hands and on His Knees He Went
so Nigh that He Touched the Holy Vessel"
by
Sir William Russell Flint in reference to the Holy
Grail.
Gee! are we talking about a scow? Scows are simple
easy to build vessels. They are not complicated boats
that need some great designer. The idea of Maynard
Bray who does take nice pictures acting as a Knights
Templar guarding scow plans and that you must prove
you are worthy to see them is just too much to take
seriously.
With the exception of building some historic vessel it
is best to have a designer that is willing to speak to
you when you are building their design. That is one
of the reasons you have paid your money.
These people are taking themselves and their plans too
seriously. There are too many good designers on the
water to have too put up with that. I heard what some
have said about Bolger's ideas on scows but I would
still give him a try or some other good designer
before I had to prove I am worthy.
Lon
--- mat_man22 <mat_man@...> wrote:
>__________________________________
>
> This was put in discussion at Wooden Boat Forum:
>
>http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
>
> Mystic Seaport Museum now has Bill Garden's plans.
> Furthermore, Garden has apparently asked Wooden
> Boat's own Maynard Bray (who I gather is based at
> or near Mystic) to be the "gatekeeper to the
> collection".
> To get access you need to go through Mr Bray, who
> Bill
> Garden appears to have charged with verifying
> whether
> inquiries are serious or nor before granting access.
>
> I gather Mr Garden was (and I assume he still is, he
>
> turned 85 a little while ago) even crustier than
> Cleek,
> and was fairly short with inquiries from people he
> took to be dreamers rather than doers. I gather that
>
> the way to change one's status from dreamer to doer
> mainly involved persistence and demonstrable
> sincerity in pursuing the dream with Mr Garden.
>
> The next problem is how to get hold of Maynard Bray.
>
> He seems fairly elusive to me! Tom Jackson from
> Wooden Boat has offered to pass e-mails on to him.
> A few weeks ago I sent an e-message to Maynard
> (e-mailed
> via Tom Jackson, who assured me he had forwarded it)
> asking
> about plans for a Garden design, but so far I've not
>
> received any reply. So if you do manage to catch up
> with him, please let him know that I'm still
> interested to
> hear from him too!
>
> I understand that Bill Garden is now more-or-less
> completely retired from designing (fair enough too!)
>
> and only does with projects if he wants to do them.
> If you own one of his designs, a letter to him
> telling him how she is and asking his advice may
> stand a chance of getting a reply? I think a postal
> address was posted in one of the other "How to get
> in touch with William Garden" threads - try a
> search.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"And Therewith on His Hands and on His Knees He Went
so Nigh that He Touched the Holy Vessel"
by
Sir William Russell Flint in reference to the Holy
Grail.
Gee! are we talking about a scow? Scows are simple
easy to build vessels. They are not complicated boats
that need some great designer. The idea of Maynard
Bray who does take nice pictures acting as a Knights
Templar guarding scow plans and that you must prove
you are worthy to see them is just too much to take
seriously.
With the exception of building some historic vessel it
is best to have a designer that is willing to speak to
you when you are building their design. That is one
of the reasons you have paid your money.
These people are taking themselves and their plans too
seriously. There are too many good designers on the
water to have too put up with that. I heard what some
have said about Bolger's ideas on scows but I would
still give him a try or some other good designer
before I had to prove I am worthy.
Lon
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so Nigh that He Touched the Holy Vessel"
by
Sir William Russell Flint in reference to the Holy
Grail.
Gee! are we talking about a scow? Scows are simple
easy to build vessels. They are not complicated boats
that need some great designer. The idea of Maynard
Bray who does take nice pictures acting as a Knights
Templar guarding scow plans and that you must prove
you are worthy to see them is just too much to take
seriously.
With the exception of building some historic vessel it
is best to have a designer that is willing to speak to
you when you are building their design. That is one
of the reasons you have paid your money.
These people are taking themselves and their plans too
seriously. There are too many good designers on the
water to have too put up with that. I heard what some
have said about Bolger's ideas on scows but I would
still give him a try or some other good designer
before I had to prove I am worthy.
Lon
--- mat_man22 <mat_man@...> wrote:
>__________________________________
>
> This was put in discussion at Wooden Boat Forum:
>
>http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
>
> Mystic Seaport Museum now has Bill Garden's plans.
> Furthermore, Garden has apparently asked Wooden
> Boat's own Maynard Bray (who I gather is based at
> or near Mystic) to be the "gatekeeper to the
> collection".
> To get access you need to go through Mr Bray, who
> Bill
> Garden appears to have charged with verifying
> whether
> inquiries are serious or nor before granting access.
>
> I gather Mr Garden was (and I assume he still is, he
>
> turned 85 a little while ago) even crustier than
> Cleek,
> and was fairly short with inquiries from people he
> took to be dreamers rather than doers. I gather that
>
> the way to change one's status from dreamer to doer
> mainly involved persistence and demonstrable
> sincerity in pursuing the dream with Mr Garden.
>
> The next problem is how to get hold of Maynard Bray.
>
> He seems fairly elusive to me! Tom Jackson from
> Wooden Boat has offered to pass e-mails on to him.
> A few weeks ago I sent an e-message to Maynard
> (e-mailed
> via Tom Jackson, who assured me he had forwarded it)
> asking
> about plans for a Garden design, but so far I've not
>
> received any reply. So if you do manage to catch up
> with him, please let him know that I'm still
> interested to
> hear from him too!
>
> I understand that Bill Garden is now more-or-less
> completely retired from designing (fair enough too!)
>
> and only does with projects if he wants to do them.
> If you own one of his designs, a letter to him
> telling him how she is and asking his advice may
> stand a chance of getting a reply? I think a postal
> address was posted in one of the other "How to get
> in touch with William Garden" threads - try a
> search.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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This was put in discussion at Wooden Boat Forum:
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
Mystic Seaport Museum now has Bill Garden's plans.
Furthermore, Garden has apparently asked Wooden
Boat's own Maynard Bray (who I gather is based at
or near Mystic) to be the "gatekeeper to the collection".
To get access you need to go through Mr Bray, who Bill
Garden appears to have charged with verifying whether
inquiries are serious or nor before granting access.
I gather Mr Garden was (and I assume he still is, he
turned 85 a little while ago) even crustier than Cleek,
and was fairly short with inquiries from people he
took to be dreamers rather than doers. I gather that
the way to change one's status from dreamer to doer
mainly involved persistence and demonstrable
sincerity in pursuing the dream with Mr Garden.
The next problem is how to get hold of Maynard Bray.
He seems fairly elusive to me! Tom Jackson from
Wooden Boat has offered to pass e-mails on to him.
A few weeks ago I sent an e-message to Maynard (e-mailed
via Tom Jackson, who assured me he had forwarded it) asking
about plans for a Garden design, but so far I've not
received any reply. So if you do manage to catch up
with him, please let him know that I'm still interested to
hear from him too!
I understand that Bill Garden is now more-or-less
completely retired from designing (fair enough too!)
and only does with projects if he wants to do them.
If you own one of his designs, a letter to him
telling him how she is and asking his advice may
stand a chance of getting a reply? I think a postal
address was posted in one of the other "How to get
in touch with William Garden" threads - try a
search.
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
Mystic Seaport Museum now has Bill Garden's plans.
Furthermore, Garden has apparently asked Wooden
Boat's own Maynard Bray (who I gather is based at
or near Mystic) to be the "gatekeeper to the collection".
To get access you need to go through Mr Bray, who Bill
Garden appears to have charged with verifying whether
inquiries are serious or nor before granting access.
I gather Mr Garden was (and I assume he still is, he
turned 85 a little while ago) even crustier than Cleek,
and was fairly short with inquiries from people he
took to be dreamers rather than doers. I gather that
the way to change one's status from dreamer to doer
mainly involved persistence and demonstrable
sincerity in pursuing the dream with Mr Garden.
The next problem is how to get hold of Maynard Bray.
He seems fairly elusive to me! Tom Jackson from
Wooden Boat has offered to pass e-mails on to him.
A few weeks ago I sent an e-message to Maynard (e-mailed
via Tom Jackson, who assured me he had forwarded it) asking
about plans for a Garden design, but so far I've not
received any reply. So if you do manage to catch up
with him, please let him know that I'm still interested to
hear from him too!
I understand that Bill Garden is now more-or-less
completely retired from designing (fair enough too!)
and only does with projects if he wants to do them.
If you own one of his designs, a letter to him
telling him how she is and asking his advice may
stand a chance of getting a reply? I think a postal
address was posted in one of the other "How to get
in touch with William Garden" threads - try a
search.
Does anyone know where plans for the Gardner liveaboard scow can be obtained?
Tom on Sandpiper.
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Tom on Sandpiper.
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