Re: Gardner Live aboard scow?????
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Spoering" <spoering@e...> wrote:
SITE OF "PELIS" IN THE 18 - 24' RANGE.
pelican yahoo group site. Thanks again for your info. Tom on Sandpiper.
By the way Jack, I am on Charlotte Harbor on the west coast of Fl
opposite you.
> HI ALL -SITE OR EMAIL MRS SHORT DIRECTLY THEY HAVE INFORMATION AND PICTURES ON
>
> JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU GO TO THE PELICAN WEB
SITE OF "PELIS" IN THE 18 - 24' RANGE.
>GOOD LUCK - ALOHA - JACK SPOERING - FT LAUDERDALE, FL
>
>Hi Jack,I look at the website. Thanks. There is also some good info on the
pelican yahoo group site. Thanks again for your info. Tom on Sandpiper.
By the way Jack, I am on Charlotte Harbor on the west coast of Fl
opposite you.
HI ALL -
JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU GO TO THE PELICAN WEB SITE OR EMAIL MRS SHORT DIRECTLY THEY HAVE INFORMATION AND PICTURES ON SITE OF "PELIS" IN THE 18 - 24' RANGE.
GOOD LUCK - ALOHA - JACK SPOERING - FT LAUDERDALE, FL
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JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU GO TO THE PELICAN WEB SITE OR EMAIL MRS SHORT DIRECTLY THEY HAVE INFORMATION AND PICTURES ON SITE OF "PELIS" IN THE 18 - 24' RANGE.
GOOD LUCK - ALOHA - JACK SPOERING - FT LAUDERDALE, FL
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OK, fellow Bolgeradoes,
Here's the 'official' word from Mystic Seaport on the Bill Garden plans
situation (the Garden Collection is #96 in their archives):
Some of the vessel designs of William Garden, N.A. are preserved at the
Ships Plans library and archives of Mystic Seaport Museum, Inc. The
plans which are here represent Mr. Garden's work when he was living in
the US and are primarily the vessels found in his first book, "Yacht
Designs." That particular edition is out of print - however there is a
new expanded version "Yacht Designs, Revised and Expanded." I refer
people to these books if they are generally interested in information
about Bill or his designs. If we do not have a particular set of plans,
we refer the researcher right back to Bill Garden.
The Ships Plans area of our website lists only the plans from our Mystic
Seaport Watercraft list. This list mainly consists of vessels and ship
models you will see while visiting the museum, or plans drawn from
measurements taken off watercraft we do not own which are being studied
for their research value. This is a very large library with over 100,000
plans in the collection.
The website also contains a section of text providing helpful
information on how to do research in the Ships Plans library. I always
suggest that researchers look in Bill's 3 books, or narrow down their
choices before they ask us to search for them to save the expense of a
research fee. If we have to do extensive digging to assist a library
patron the cost is $20.00 per hour. Most people are able to narrow down
their requests for information about the designs of Mr. Garden using the
published sources.
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Ellen Stone,
Ships Plans Collection Manager
Mystic Seaport Museum
The contact info is:
Museum Watercraft Plans Collection
Mystic Seaport Museum, Inc.
P.O. Box 6000
Mystic, CT 06355-0990
Phone: 860-572-5360
Email:boatlines@...
Best of luck!
David Romasco
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Here's the 'official' word from Mystic Seaport on the Bill Garden plans
situation (the Garden Collection is #96 in their archives):
Some of the vessel designs of William Garden, N.A. are preserved at the
Ships Plans library and archives of Mystic Seaport Museum, Inc. The
plans which are here represent Mr. Garden's work when he was living in
the US and are primarily the vessels found in his first book, "Yacht
Designs." That particular edition is out of print - however there is a
new expanded version "Yacht Designs, Revised and Expanded." I refer
people to these books if they are generally interested in information
about Bill or his designs. If we do not have a particular set of plans,
we refer the researcher right back to Bill Garden.
The Ships Plans area of our website lists only the plans from our Mystic
Seaport Watercraft list. This list mainly consists of vessels and ship
models you will see while visiting the museum, or plans drawn from
measurements taken off watercraft we do not own which are being studied
for their research value. This is a very large library with over 100,000
plans in the collection.
The website also contains a section of text providing helpful
information on how to do research in the Ships Plans library. I always
suggest that researchers look in Bill's 3 books, or narrow down their
choices before they ask us to search for them to save the expense of a
research fee. If we have to do extensive digging to assist a library
patron the cost is $20.00 per hour. Most people are able to narrow down
their requests for information about the designs of Mr. Garden using the
published sources.
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Ellen Stone,
Ships Plans Collection Manager
Mystic Seaport Museum
The contact info is:
Museum Watercraft Plans Collection
Mystic Seaport Museum, Inc.
P.O. Box 6000
Mystic, CT 06355-0990
Phone: 860-572-5360
Email:boatlines@...
Best of luck!
David Romasco
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:
I didn't known there was such a thing as scaling ratios. All I was
doing was doubling everything EXCEPT the cost which was probably going
up by a factor of 4 or 5. WOW a Great Pelican 24' long with a beam of
10'7'' would certainly be a roomy boat. The bottom beam would be just
about right for an 8' sheet of plywood cross ways. Interesting. Thanks
Tom on Sandpiper
>Hey Mat,
> Hi Tom
>
> Lars and 'Principles of Yatch Design' has scaling
> ratios. If the length of the boat goes up by 1.5 the
> beam, depth and freeboard should go up by 1.33 to keep
> the boat in the same performance family. You can read
> this on bottom of exert 7 at:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
> /0071353933/ref=lib_dp_sp_1/002-0275704-
>
> If my math is correct then:
> 9.77' beam based on 18'x8' Super Pelican
> 10.64' beam based on 16'x8' Great Pelican
>
> The Superbrick looks like it has a smaller sail compared
> to Oyster and this would help keep ballast down.
>
> Mat
I didn't known there was such a thing as scaling ratios. All I was
doing was doubling everything EXCEPT the cost which was probably going
up by a factor of 4 or 5. WOW a Great Pelican 24' long with a beam of
10'7'' would certainly be a roomy boat. The bottom beam would be just
about right for an 8' sheet of plywood cross ways. Interesting. Thanks
Tom on Sandpiper
Hi Tom
Lars and 'Principles of Yatch Design' has scaling
ratios. If the length of the boat goes up by 1.5 the
beam, depth and freeboard should go up by 1.33 to keep
the boat in the same performance family. You can read
this on bottom of exert 7 at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0071353933/ref=lib_dp_sp_1/002-0275704-
If my math is correct then:
9.77' beam based on 18'x8' Super Pelican
10.64' beam based on 16'x8' Great Pelican
The Superbrick looks like it has a smaller sail compared
to Oyster and this would help keep ballast down.
Mat
Lars and 'Principles of Yatch Design' has scaling
ratios. If the length of the boat goes up by 1.5 the
beam, depth and freeboard should go up by 1.33 to keep
the boat in the same performance family. You can read
this on bottom of exert 7 at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0071353933/ref=lib_dp_sp_1/002-0275704-
If my math is correct then:
9.77' beam based on 18'x8' Super Pelican
10.64' beam based on 16'x8' Great Pelican
The Superbrick looks like it has a smaller sail compared
to Oyster and this would help keep ballast down.
Mat
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:
Actually if you took the original SF Pelican and multiplied by 1.5
you would have a 24'x12' as the original SFP is 16'x8'. In PB's book
BWAOM the plans for Superbrick don't show any ballast per se but it
shows a waterline for a weight of 3350 pounds. PB usually leaves a
pretty realistic allowance for user supplied stuff so I don't think
the actual dead ballast would be very large.
With the Oyster having deadrise which I really don't want to build
and 1800 lbs of ballast which indicates a heavier boat than I thought
it would be I think I will just keep looking. I haven't decided that I
want another liveaboard yet but I keep thinking about it. Of course
after 4 years of living on land I tend to forget the objectionable
parts about livingaboard. I guess I will just keep sailing my Peep Hen
for now. I don't guess it hurts to dream and remember. It must be
kinda like pain you know it really hurt but you really can't remember
the really bad part to well. Thanks for the reponse. Tom on Sandpiper.
> Hi TomHey Mat,
>
> Oyster's price of standing headroom and sailing
> ability should require a good amount of lead ballast,
> drawing looks like it says 1800 lbs. Stability goes
> up with the cube of the beam. A scow should require
> less ballast with greater beam. A 24' Pelican could
> have a beam in the range of 9.5 to 10 feet (the 18'
> Pelican has 8') compared to 8' of the Oyster.
> What is the ballast of the 20' x 8' Superbrick?
>
> Mat
Actually if you took the original SF Pelican and multiplied by 1.5
you would have a 24'x12' as the original SFP is 16'x8'. In PB's book
BWAOM the plans for Superbrick don't show any ballast per se but it
shows a waterline for a weight of 3350 pounds. PB usually leaves a
pretty realistic allowance for user supplied stuff so I don't think
the actual dead ballast would be very large.
With the Oyster having deadrise which I really don't want to build
and 1800 lbs of ballast which indicates a heavier boat than I thought
it would be I think I will just keep looking. I haven't decided that I
want another liveaboard yet but I keep thinking about it. Of course
after 4 years of living on land I tend to forget the objectionable
parts about livingaboard. I guess I will just keep sailing my Peep Hen
for now. I don't guess it hurts to dream and remember. It must be
kinda like pain you know it really hurt but you really can't remember
the really bad part to well. Thanks for the reponse. Tom on Sandpiper.
Hi Tom
Oyster's price of standing headroom and sailing
ability should require a good amount of lead ballast,
drawing looks like it says 1800 lbs. Stability goes
up with the cube of the beam. A scow should require
less ballast with greater beam. A 24' Pelican could
have a beam in the range of 9.5 to 10 feet (the 18'
Pelican has 8') compared to 8' of the Oyster.
What is the ballast of the 20' x 8' Superbrick?
Mat
Oyster's price of standing headroom and sailing
ability should require a good amount of lead ballast,
drawing looks like it says 1800 lbs. Stability goes
up with the cube of the beam. A scow should require
less ballast with greater beam. A 24' Pelican could
have a beam in the range of 9.5 to 10 feet (the 18'
Pelican has 8') compared to 8' of the Oyster.
What is the ballast of the 20' x 8' Superbrick?
Mat
I really like the Gardener Scow. Does anyone know the beam? Thats what I'm personally looking for in a boat. Any design I am considering should be a liveaboard, and trailerable. I would like a good combo of motor and sail though I've never sailed in my life. I was also looking at a somewhat though sleeker design with really good interior space.
http://www.brayyachtdesign.bc.ca/
Check out the freestyle 27 under motorsailers.
Ken
http://www.brayyachtdesign.bc.ca/
Check out the freestyle 27 under motorsailers.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: mat_man22
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Gardner Live aboard scow?????
Hi Sandpiper
From memory Oyster (24' Live aboard scow) is in
Yacht Designs II. The table of contents for Yacht
Designs (first) is on Amazon.com and does not contain Oyster.
The first 2 pages on Oyster from Yacht Designs II
are scanned in the files section on one of the 3
Bolger groups and the Garden group (all Yahoo).
The 3rd page has some plans sections but very incomplete.
Please re-read my other post:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29990
Contact Wooden boat first, they sell many plans and may
have this one on the shelf.
Please report back if you find them.
Oyster does have a V bottom and I might go with a
modified Pelican design myself to get the flat bottom.
I think the largest Pelican built is 22' to 24'.
Best of luck
Mat
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:
I read your 29990 post again and THANKS. I noticed on the scan pages
that it looked like Garden's scow had some deadrise and also thought
about looking for one that didn't have any. Your idea of an oversized
Pelican was one I had contemplated and I think might be a valid
approach. I really was not looking for as heavy a boat as some of the
scows I have look at seem to be. I was considering plywood stitch and
glue or tack and glue formed around bulkheads for a lighter weight,
however, Garden's scow couldn't be very heavy at least judging by the
waterline and how little rocker the hull carries. Oh well, I will keep
looking. Thanks again for your response. Tom on Sandpiper.
> Hi SandpiperHello Mat,
>
> From memory Oyster (24' Live aboard scow) is in
> Yacht Designs II. The table of contents for Yacht
> Designs (first) is on Amazon.com and does not contain Oyster.
>
> The first 2 pages on Oyster from Yacht Designs II
> are scanned in the files section on one of the 3
> Bolger groups and the Garden group (all Yahoo).
> The 3rd page has some plans sections but very incomplete.
>
> Please re-read my other post:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29990
>
> Contact Wooden boat first, they sell many plans and may
> have this one on the shelf.
>
> Please report back if you find them.
>
> Oyster does have a V bottom and I might go with a
> modified Pelican design myself to get the flat bottom.
> I think the largest Pelican built is 22' to 24'.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Mat
I read your 29990 post again and THANKS. I noticed on the scan pages
that it looked like Garden's scow had some deadrise and also thought
about looking for one that didn't have any. Your idea of an oversized
Pelican was one I had contemplated and I think might be a valid
approach. I really was not looking for as heavy a boat as some of the
scows I have look at seem to be. I was considering plywood stitch and
glue or tack and glue formed around bulkheads for a lighter weight,
however, Garden's scow couldn't be very heavy at least judging by the
waterline and how little rocker the hull carries. Oh well, I will keep
looking. Thanks again for your response. Tom on Sandpiper.
Relative to pram and scow vessels, for his first cartoon for Small
Boat Journal, PCB sketched a leeboard pram about 20' long. It was a
substantial cruising vessel of about 5000lbs displacement. So far as
I know, the matter stopped with the cartoon. At least I've never seen
anything else. Anyone have additional info?
Peter
Boat Journal, PCB sketched a leeboard pram about 20' long. It was a
substantial cruising vessel of about 5000lbs displacement. So far as
I know, the matter stopped with the cartoon. At least I've never seen
anything else. Anyone have additional info?
Peter
In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:48:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,TOMCBRADY@...writes:
Maybe you could write and ask Mystic Seaport museum. An alternative would be to get someone to "design" a copy of it, using one of the hull-design programs that would turn out frame shapes, or panel shapes if you built it stitch-and-glue. It's a really simple shape and, as I recall, the Garden drawing at least shows a fair amount of detail on scantlings and construction.
Howard
> Which book did you find the scow in and about how much info wasTom,
> there in the book, if you remember. So far the Garden scow appeals to
> me more than any of the other ones I have been able to find
> pictures
Maybe you could write and ask Mystic Seaport museum. An alternative would be to get someone to "design" a copy of it, using one of the hull-design programs that would turn out frame shapes, or panel shapes if you built it stitch-and-glue. It's a really simple shape and, as I recall, the Garden drawing at least shows a fair amount of detail on scantlings and construction.
Howard
Hi Sandpiper
From memory Oyster (24' Live aboard scow) is in
Yacht Designs II. The table of contents for Yacht
Designs (first) is on Amazon.com and does not contain Oyster.
The first 2 pages on Oyster from Yacht Designs II
are scanned in the files section on one of the 3
Bolger groups and the Garden group (all Yahoo).
The 3rd page has some plans sections but very incomplete.
Please re-read my other post:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29990
Contact Wooden boat first, they sell many plans and may
have this one on the shelf.
Please report back if you find them.
Oyster does have a V bottom and I might go with a
modified Pelican design myself to get the flat bottom.
I think the largest Pelican built is 22' to 24'.
Best of luck
Mat
From memory Oyster (24' Live aboard scow) is in
Yacht Designs II. The table of contents for Yacht
Designs (first) is on Amazon.com and does not contain Oyster.
The first 2 pages on Oyster from Yacht Designs II
are scanned in the files section on one of the 3
Bolger groups and the Garden group (all Yahoo).
The 3rd page has some plans sections but very incomplete.
Please re-read my other post:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/29990
Contact Wooden boat first, they sell many plans and may
have this one on the shelf.
Please report back if you find them.
Oyster does have a V bottom and I might go with a
modified Pelican design myself to get the flat bottom.
I think the largest Pelican built is 22' to 24'.
Best of luck
Mat
HI ALL -
DIDN'T I READ HERE JUST THE OTHER DAY THAT GARDEN HAS RETIRED AND THE EDITOR OF "WOODENBOAT" MAG IS HANDELING HIS PLAN SALES ? SUGGUEST EMAILING THE MAG AND SEEING IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING AS THE PLANS SHOWN IN GARDENS FIRST BOOK ARE NOT COMPLETE ENOUGH TO BUILD FROM.
ALOHA - JACK FT. LAUDERDALE, FL
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DIDN'T I READ HERE JUST THE OTHER DAY THAT GARDEN HAS RETIRED AND THE EDITOR OF "WOODENBOAT" MAG IS HANDELING HIS PLAN SALES ? SUGGUEST EMAILING THE MAG AND SEEING IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING AS THE PLANS SHOWN IN GARDENS FIRST BOOK ARE NOT COMPLETE ENOUGH TO BUILD FROM.
ALOHA - JACK FT. LAUDERDALE, FL
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:
Which book did you find the scow in and about how much info was
there in the book, if you remember. So far the Garden scow appeals to
me more than any of the other ones I have been able to find pictures
of. It seems to have alot of room in a manageable size. It has
standing headroom in 24' which in itself is unusual yet it does not
look boxy or top heavy. I searched Woodenboat Forum and read alot
about scows and saw many pictures but don't yet know how or where to
order plans for Garden boats. Parker Marine and Delvin scows don't
appeal to me. Bolgers scow schooner looks neat but is somewhat larger
and would need more accommodations for my purposes. Tom on Sandpiper
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stephensonhw@a... wrote:Hey Mat,
> > Try to find out which one it is and get hold of the book through
> >your local library -- or borrow them both, they're good reading. I
> >can't remember now, but there could even be enough info. in the book
> >to allow you to build the boat.
>
> I did this for this boat and did not find enough info to build.
>
>
> Mat
Which book did you find the scow in and about how much info was
there in the book, if you remember. So far the Garden scow appeals to
me more than any of the other ones I have been able to find pictures
of. It seems to have alot of room in a manageable size. It has
standing headroom in 24' which in itself is unusual yet it does not
look boxy or top heavy. I searched Woodenboat Forum and read alot
about scows and saw many pictures but don't yet know how or where to
order plans for Garden boats. Parker Marine and Delvin scows don't
appeal to me. Bolgers scow schooner looks neat but is somewhat larger
and would need more accommodations for my purposes. Tom on Sandpiper
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, stephensonhw@a... wrote:
Mat
> Try to find out which one it is and get hold of the book throughI did this for this boat and did not find enough info to build.
>your local library -- or borrow them both, they're good reading. I
>can't remember now, but there could even be enough info. in the book
>to allow you to build the boat.
Mat
Up until a couple of years ago, a scow looking very like Gardens
Tillikum sat on the mud, only a km from where I sit. She had sat for
several years, I doubt liveaboard. A bit of deterioration, the odd
gale, water getting in, a mast fell down, rot no doubt as well.
Eventually, well and truely bogged into the mud.
Last I saw of her was when a barge arrived alongside at high water,
with a large digger on board. She disappeared slowly as large maw
sized bites, into the barge hold.
Sad really.
DonB
Tillikum sat on the mud, only a km from where I sit. She had sat for
several years, I doubt liveaboard. A bit of deterioration, the odd
gale, water getting in, a mast fell down, rot no doubt as well.
Eventually, well and truely bogged into the mud.
Last I saw of her was when a barge arrived alongside at high water,
with a large digger on board. She disappeared slowly as large maw
sized bites, into the barge hold.
Sad really.
DonB
I think the Bolger and Parker designs would be a lot more capable, and a lot more expensive than the Garden scow houseboat, which was designed for a student to live aboard. The Garden design was featured in either one of his books "Yacht Designs" or "Yacht Designs II". Try to find out which one it is and get hold of the book through your local library -- or borrow them both, they're good reading. I can't remember now, but there could even be enough info. in the book to allow you to build the boat. I don't think Garden would sue you for breach of copyright.
Howard
In a message dated 8/6/2003 1:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,pvanderw@...writes:
Howard
In a message dated 8/6/2003 1:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,pvanderw@...writes:
> > Ruel Parker has a couple of scow designs.
> > pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
> > make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article...
>
> Bolger did design a 35' liveaboard scow schooner. He opines it would
> be a handy coastal cruiser (assuming all the housekeeping knickknacks
> were carefully stowed). It's a different hull concept from Parker's,
> and it's supposed to sail at an angle of heel to prevent
> the tooth
> chattering behavior is a similar manner to a sharpie.
> Ruel Parker has a couple of scow designs.Bolger did design a 35' liveaboard scow schooner. He opines it would
> pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
> make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article...
be a handy coastal cruiser (assuming all the housekeeping knickknacks
were carefully stowed). It's a different hull concept from Parker's,
and it's supposed to sail at an angle of heel to prevent the tooth
chattering behavior is a similar manner to a sharpie.
It a very different thing than a alive-aboard barge that is expected
to be lived-in at dockside.
What size vessel is wanted here?
Peter
Ruel Parker has a couple of scow designs.
http://www.parker-marine.com/
Maybe a little bigger than you want but for a liveaboard....
http://www.parker-marine.com/45scshoonerpage.htm
"bshamblin2002" <shamblin@...> on 08/06/2003 05:42:10 AM
Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: [bolger] Re: Gardner Live aboard scow?????
the idea oe a liveaboard scow is and interesting one which i would
like to hear more about. pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article and then in SUPERBRICK suggests
that sailing a hull like that would be a battering and a "bone in the
teeth"? to sail ( 20x8' with straight non-curved sides).
i always thought SCOWSCHOONER hull would be a fine place to start for
a scow livaboard, either full sized, but for me, as a 20x7-8' hull
with a central 4x8' cabin arranged longways for 2 foot walkways on
each side, and a good sized standing lug rig with 2 rows of reef
points. she would have dual big kick up rudders on the transon with a
small outboard mount and a boarding ladder built into each rudder.
ther would be 2 linked tillers.
the decks would be entirely flat for sleeping out in the
uninterrupted breeze. kitchen would be cook out on deck cuisiene.
bathroom would by rain, tide and showerbag.
her mast could pivot down for bridges without standing rigging.
some of me is already living on this boat north of the keys in
florida bay. sprouts are growing in a glass pickle jar for the salad
tonight.
bill
http://www.parker-marine.com/
Maybe a little bigger than you want but for a liveaboard....
http://www.parker-marine.com/45scshoonerpage.htm
"bshamblin2002" <shamblin@...> on 08/06/2003 05:42:10 AM
Please respond tobolger@yahoogroups.com
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: [bolger] Re: Gardner Live aboard scow?????
the idea oe a liveaboard scow is and interesting one which i would
like to hear more about. pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article and then in SUPERBRICK suggests
that sailing a hull like that would be a battering and a "bone in the
teeth"? to sail ( 20x8' with straight non-curved sides).
i always thought SCOWSCHOONER hull would be a fine place to start for
a scow livaboard, either full sized, but for me, as a 20x7-8' hull
with a central 4x8' cabin arranged longways for 2 foot walkways on
each side, and a good sized standing lug rig with 2 rows of reef
points. she would have dual big kick up rudders on the transon with a
small outboard mount and a boarding ladder built into each rudder.
ther would be 2 linked tillers.
the decks would be entirely flat for sleeping out in the
uninterrupted breeze. kitchen would be cook out on deck cuisiene.
bathroom would by rain, tide and showerbag.
her mast could pivot down for bridges without standing rigging.
some of me is already living on this boat north of the keys in
florida bay. sprouts are growing in a glass pickle jar for the salad
tonight.
bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bigeddytom" <TOMCBRADY@C...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> > Q. Does anyone know where plans for the Gardner liveaboard scow
can
> be obtained?
> > Tom on Sandpiper.
> >
> > Do you mean John Gardner of Building Classic Small Craft Books
and
> National Fisherman fame or William(Bill) Garden from British
> Columbia.?Or is it someone or even something entirely different?
> >
> >
> > I am sorry. Not only was I not very specific I even spelled the
> name incorrectly. I mean the William Garden Liveaboard Scow. A
> thumbnail sketch of it is shown in the file section of the Bolger2
> yahoo group. Tom on Sandpiper.
> >
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the idea oe a liveaboard scow is and interesting one which i would
like to hear more about. pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article and then in SUPERBRICK suggests
that sailing a hull like that would be a battering and a "bone in the
teeth"? to sail ( 20x8' with straight non-curved sides).
i always thought SCOWSCHOONER hull would be a fine place to start for
a scow livaboard, either full sized, but for me, as a 20x7-8' hull
with a central 4x8' cabin arranged longways for 2 foot walkways on
each side, and a good sized standing lug rig with 2 rows of reef
points. she would have dual big kick up rudders on the transon with a
small outboard mount and a boarding ladder built into each rudder.
ther would be 2 linked tillers.
the decks would be entirely flat for sleeping out in the
uninterrupted breeze. kitchen would be cook out on deck cuisiene.
bathroom would by rain, tide and showerbag.
her mast could pivot down for bridges without standing rigging.
some of me is already living on this boat north of the keys in
florida bay. sprouts are growing in a glass pickle jar for the salad
tonight.
bill
like to hear more about. pcb suggests he tried to think of how to
make one on the SCOW SCHOONER article and then in SUPERBRICK suggests
that sailing a hull like that would be a battering and a "bone in the
teeth"? to sail ( 20x8' with straight non-curved sides).
i always thought SCOWSCHOONER hull would be a fine place to start for
a scow livaboard, either full sized, but for me, as a 20x7-8' hull
with a central 4x8' cabin arranged longways for 2 foot walkways on
each side, and a good sized standing lug rig with 2 rows of reef
points. she would have dual big kick up rudders on the transon with a
small outboard mount and a boarding ladder built into each rudder.
ther would be 2 linked tillers.
the decks would be entirely flat for sleeping out in the
uninterrupted breeze. kitchen would be cook out on deck cuisiene.
bathroom would by rain, tide and showerbag.
her mast could pivot down for bridges without standing rigging.
some of me is already living on this boat north of the keys in
florida bay. sprouts are growing in a glass pickle jar for the salad
tonight.
bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bigeddytom" <TOMCBRADY@C...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> > Q. Does anyone know where plans for the Gardner liveaboard scow
can
> be obtained?
> > Tom on Sandpiper.
> >
> > Do you mean John Gardner of Building Classic Small Craft Books
and
> National Fisherman fame or William(Bill) Garden from British
> Columbia.?Or is it someone or even something entirely different?
> >
> >
> > I am sorry. Not only was I not very specific I even spelled the
> name incorrectly. I mean the William Garden Liveaboard Scow. A
> thumbnail sketch of it is shown in the file section of the Bolger2
> yahoo group. Tom on Sandpiper.
> >
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
Columbia.?Or is it someone or even something entirely different?
thumbnail sketch of it is shown in the file section of the Bolger2
yahoo group. Tom on Sandpiper.
> Q. Does anyone know where plans for the Gardner liveaboard scow canbe obtained?
> Tom on Sandpiper.National Fisherman fame or William(Bill) Garden from British
>
> Do you mean John Gardner of Building Classic Small Craft Books and
Columbia.?Or is it someone or even something entirely different?
>name incorrectly. I mean the William Garden Liveaboard Scow. A
>
> I am sorry. Not only was I not very specific I even spelled the
thumbnail sketch of it is shown in the file section of the Bolger2
yahoo group. Tom on Sandpiper.
>
Q. Does anyone know where plans for the Gardner liveaboard scow can be obtained?
Tom on Sandpiper.
Do you mean John Gardner of Building Classic Small Craft Books and National Fisherman fame or William(Bill) Garden from British Columbia.?Or is it someone or even something entirely different?
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