RE: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge


> I agree on the $4.00 Canadian per pound that is close to what the Wyo will
> come in at when she's done. The basic construction and fit out will be
> under $3.00 Canadian per pound but by the time I get solar panels, anchor
> gear, launching cost, etc. I'm sure the $4.00 will be a lot closer than
I'd
> like.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:13 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge
>
>
> > Purely for cost, I think one can do about 4 dollars a pound, not
> > including engine or other mechanicals. That would be canadian
> > dollars, and good materials, cheap 1088 ply, good glass and epoxy.
> > Probably as low as 2 dollars a pound if DFir/luan, and bargain epoxy
> > glass. Of course everyone's number will vary, but it isn't that hard
> > to get a handle on.
> >
> > Another way to rough estimate is to book all the major items, but
> > that can leave a lot of stuff unaccounted for, and so isn't
> > necesarily more accurate than the per pound method advocated by the
> > gougeons.
> >
> > I admire people who can estimate down to the tack, but I don't have
> > the patience for it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Has anyone done an...
> budget for the Superbrick?

>Yep! Get your boat baloney here! $2 to $4 a pound, depending on "grade".
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
>To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge
>
>
>> I agree on the $4.00 Canadian per pound that is close to what the Wyo will
>> come in at when she's done. The basic construction and fit out will be
>> under $3.00 Canadian per pound but by the time I get solar panels, anchor
>> gear, launching cost, etc. I'm sure the $4.00 will be a lot closer than I'd
>> like.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
>> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:13 AM
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge
>>
>>
>> > Purely for cost, I think one can do about 4 dollars a pound, not
>> > including engine or other mechanicals. That would be canadian
>> > dollars, and good materials, cheap 1088 ply, good glass and epoxy.
>> > Probably as low as 2 dollars a pound if DFir/luan, and bargain epoxy
>> > glass. Of course everyone's number will vary, but it isn't that hard
>> > to get a handle on.
>> >
>> > Another way to rough estimate is to book all the major items, but
>> > that can leave a lot of stuff unaccounted for, and so isn't
>> > necesarily more accurate than the per pound method advocated by the
>> > gougeons.
>> >
>> > I admire people who can estimate down to the tack, but I don't have
>> > the patience for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bolger rules!!!
>> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
>> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
>> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
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>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
>> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
>>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>>
>>
>
>
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>MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <boatbuilding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge


> I agree on the $4.00 Canadian per pound that is close to what the Wyo will
> come in at when she's done. The basic construction and fit out will be
> under $3.00 Canadian per pound but by the time I get solar panels, anchor
> gear, launching cost, etc. I'm sure the $4.00 will be a lot closer than I'd
> like.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:13 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge
>
>
> > Purely for cost, I think one can do about 4 dollars a pound, not
> > including engine or other mechanicals. That would be canadian
> > dollars, and good materials, cheap 1088 ply, good glass and epoxy.
> > Probably as low as 2 dollars a pound if DFir/luan, and bargain epoxy
> > glass. Of course everyone's number will vary, but it isn't that hard
> > to get a handle on.
> >
> > Another way to rough estimate is to book all the major items, but
> > that can leave a lot of stuff unaccounted for, and so isn't
> > necesarily more accurate than the per pound method advocated by the
> > gougeons.
> >
> > I admire people who can estimate down to the tack, but I don't have
> > the patience for it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> > - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "proaconstrictor" <proaconstrictor@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:13 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge


> Purely for cost, I think one can do about 4 dollars a pound, not
> including engine or other mechanicals. That would be canadian
> dollars, and good materials, cheap 1088 ply, good glass and epoxy.
> Probably as low as 2 dollars a pound if DFir/luan, and bargain epoxy
> glass. Of course everyone's number will vary, but it isn't that hard
> to get a handle on.
>
> Another way to rough estimate is to book all the major items, but
> that can leave a lot of stuff unaccounted for, and so isn't
> necesarily more accurate than the per pound method advocated by the
> gougeons.
>
> I admire people who can estimate down to the tack, but I don't have
> the patience for it.
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
> - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject tohttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

> I'm wondering if you are serious. Superbrick is by way of being a
> joke. (I don't mean that in the disparaging sense of "the NY Mets

> joke," but in the simple descriptive sense of "the Pet Rock is a
> joke.") The joke is that it has too many features crammed into too
> little space. Now, you want to add another feature, speed under
> power, which is incompatible with many of the features it already

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Coho" <abcoho@n...> wrote:
> > Super Brick could be improved under power without much, if any,
> > degradation of the sailing ability. Suppossedly the response
> > included a reference to a box keel.
>
>
> Those box-keels are something else,especially if they also have the
> fillet pieces added!
> After setting up an elaborate poly tent over the bottom of my
> WINDERMERE,I managed to finally permanently install my fillet

> despite the bone-numbing threat of rain/thunderstorms.
> It is something to see how, what is essentially a huge flat

> sharpie hull, is transformed into a thing of beauty with these
> additions.And I'm not talking about the sort of beauty that leaves
> you all ga ga in the shorts.......no way.....this is that rare type
> of beauty that comes from a harmony of converging,expanding and
> contracting lines which at once appear dead straight all the while
> possessed with curves to die for.Suddenly my bottom looks huggable
> and cheeky! I spent the better part of today just being mezmerized

> all those lines/curves going from looking down on them from
> above,over to a side view,then a front view and all over again from
> all points of the compass.I would have set up a hammock and rock
> myself to sleep staring at that big beautiful bottom had it not

> so damned hot and muggy! The scary part was when I layed down on

> upturned bottom and pretended to be a water molecule flowing along
> those curves.........yum yum......the water is going to really like
> this bottom,I thought to myself!
> I'm going to miss admiring her once the bottomed gets righted,once
> again......
> Now,I just have to take three more pictures to finish the roll,get
> them developed,then scanned and post the darned things so you all

> share a bit in my excitement!
>
> Oh yes,the box-keel/fillet piece combo will do wonders for the

> Brick! I can almost feel it now....................
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan, who just may be crazy but doesn't have an official
> document(beer case botom) from Bruce Hector to attest to this

> possiblity,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence.............

> --- Peter Lenihan wrote:
> > you all ga ga in the shorts...
>
> You get that feeling, too,
> when you bend up the straight
> sides of a Teal, into the
> beautiful curves of that boat.

> you all ga ga in the shorts...

>It is something to see how, what is essentially a huge flat bottomed
>sharpie hull, is transformed into a thing of beauty with these
>additions.And I'm not talking about the sort of beauty that leaves
>you all ga ga in the shorts.......no way.....this is that rare type
>of beauty that comes from a harmony of converging,expanding and
>contracting lines which at once appear dead straight all the while
>possessed with curves to die for.Suddenly my bottom looks huggable
>and cheeky! I spent the better part of today just being mezmerized by
>all those lines/curves going from looking down on them from
>above,over to a side view,then a front view and all over again from
>all points of the compass.I would have set up a hammock and rock
>myself to sleep staring at that big beautiful bottom had it not been
>so damned hot and muggy! The scary part was when I layed down on the
>upturned bottom and pretended to be a water molecule flowing along
>those curves.........yum yum......the water is going to really like
>this bottom,I thought to myself!
>I'm going to miss admiring her once the bottomed gets righted,once
>again......
>Now,I just have to take three more pictures to finish the roll,get
>them developed,then scanned and post the darned things so you all can
>share a bit in my excitement!
>
>Oh yes,the box-keel/fillet piece combo will do wonders for the Super
>Brick! I can almost feel it now....................
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Peter Lenihan, who just may be crazy but doesn't have an official
>document(beer case botom) from Bruce Hector to attest to this growing
>possiblity,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence.............
>
>
>

> Super Brick could be improved under power without much, if any,
> degradation of the sailing ability. Suppossedly the response
> included a reference to a box keel.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Locarnini" <renueden@e...> wrote:
Super Brick could be improved under power without much, if any,
degradation of the sailing ability. Suppossedly the response >
included a reference to a box keel.


Sounds like a Watervan with a sundeck. Cool. I say, if Phil calls it
a Superbrick, then it is, and I'll cough up my $100 too..

Bruce Hector

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Coho
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Super Brick Challenge


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <brucehallman@y...>
wrote:
> --- "Bruce Coho" <abcoho@n...> wrote:
> > Is the Super Brick Challenge still on?
>
> My $100 pledge is still good to the
> first builder of a Superbrick.
>
> > Super Thick big brother of Thickasa, the mighty Brick.
> >
> > Rumor has it that Phil made some changes
>
> Tell more about this rumor???
>
> What is a Super Thick? What is Thickasa?

Sorry, was away for a few days...
Thickasa - Brick that sails in Southeastern PA waters and once or
twice on the northern Chesapeake. You have to know late 60's early
70's english rockers to understand the pun... As far as Super Thick,
I've been thinking about the challenge so much that I have a working
name....

As far as the rumor goes, I vaguely remember reading somewhere over
the last few years that Phil had been asked if the performance of the
Super Brick could be improved under power without much, if any,
degradation of the sailing ability. Suppossedly the response
included a reference to a box keel.

I guess I am going to have to go to the source...

What I am looking for in a boat is the description Phil gives in
BWAOM about Super Brick, with the added ability to pick up and run if
you are stuck far away with no wind, or need to make a fast run to
port, or just want to extend your sailing/cruising area by running
under power to a neat place, spending some time poking around and
then sailing back.

I know some of you will immediately recommend the fast motor sailor,
but it doesn't have enough room, and I just am not interested in a
dipping lug sail. I also think a boat like Super Brick could come to
fruition quicker with a minimum of money invested. We're talking
plywood and porch paint...

So, a boat with two single berths, a double berth, a stand up galley,
enclosed head, and easily controlled sailing rig with sufficient
lateral plane (will probably be single handed most of the time, and
when My family comes aboard, it will still need to be single
handed...) etc. in a box that is less that 8'x8'x20' with the added
new, unverified, feature that it can take a pretty good sized
outboard (say 25-50hp) that will allow it to get up in a reasonably
level, controllable plane...? Sounds like an pretty boat to me...

Any suggestions?

Bruce



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> > > Is the Super Brick Challenge still on?
> Phil had been asked if...the
> Super Brick could be improved...
> ...a box keel.

> So, a boat with two single berths, a double berth, a stand up

> > > Is the Super Brick Challenge still on?
> Phil had been asked if...the
> Super Brick could be improved...
> ...a box keel.

> --- "Bruce Coho" <abcoho@n...> wrote:
> > Is the Super Brick Challenge still on?
>
> My $100 pledge is still good to the
> first builder of a Superbrick.
>
> > Super Thick big brother of Thickasa, the mighty Brick.
> >
> > Rumor has it that Phil made some changes
>
> Tell more about this rumor???
>
> What is a Super Thick? What is Thickasa?

> Is the Super Brick Challenge still on?

> Super Thick big brother of Thickasa, the mighty Brick.
>
> Rumor has it that Phil made some changes