Re: Pointy Skiff survives the season
Well, I bet it depends on just how you build it. When I build a model
plane to be light I try to weigh everything, and if I'm really serious I
might try to figure out how much it should all come out to ahead of
time. I'm sure the same applies to boats. I designed a boat and tried to
do it this way and came out within 3 or 4 pounds. In that case I just
wanted to be under 60 lobs, not as light as possible. I made the
lengthwise seat removable, which saved quite a few pounds. I think
plywood places will tell you how much each piece weighs. If you don't
want to calculate areas you can cut up scale model pieces in cardboard,
weigh them, and compare to a scale 4 X 8 sheets weight, then multiply by
the factor between weight of scale 4X8 sheet and weight of real ply
sheet. Then there's glass (I estimate that if I use 6 oz glass it'll
come out maybe a bit over 12oz/yd after epoxy), paint, hardware, other
lumber, etc. I'm sure if you built one with southern yellow pine
throughout and glassed it with 6 oz glass all over it would weigh twice
as much as one with occume and cedar or spruce and no glass.
Not sure exactly what you want the new boat to do or what light enough
is or how much load you want to carry. Michalak has a whole bunch of
small, simple rowboats in a variety of sizes that you might want to
check out if you don't like the Bolger offerings. I've always liked the
QT Skiff but I don't know if that's the right lightness/load combo for
you. Probably close to what a canoe would do is my guess. Plenty of
other choices.
I've always liked the idea of a stripped out Sweet Pea but even stripped
out that's probably heavier.
BTW, what about a homemade leeboard for the canoe to improve tracking in
wind? However, it's my experience that rowing works better in the wind
than paddling does.
P.S. Don't take any sharp turns with soft tires or a boat on top!
plane to be light I try to weigh everything, and if I'm really serious I
might try to figure out how much it should all come out to ahead of
time. I'm sure the same applies to boats. I designed a boat and tried to
do it this way and came out within 3 or 4 pounds. In that case I just
wanted to be under 60 lobs, not as light as possible. I made the
lengthwise seat removable, which saved quite a few pounds. I think
plywood places will tell you how much each piece weighs. If you don't
want to calculate areas you can cut up scale model pieces in cardboard,
weigh them, and compare to a scale 4 X 8 sheets weight, then multiply by
the factor between weight of scale 4X8 sheet and weight of real ply
sheet. Then there's glass (I estimate that if I use 6 oz glass it'll
come out maybe a bit over 12oz/yd after epoxy), paint, hardware, other
lumber, etc. I'm sure if you built one with southern yellow pine
throughout and glassed it with 6 oz glass all over it would weigh twice
as much as one with occume and cedar or spruce and no glass.
Not sure exactly what you want the new boat to do or what light enough
is or how much load you want to carry. Michalak has a whole bunch of
small, simple rowboats in a variety of sizes that you might want to
check out if you don't like the Bolger offerings. I've always liked the
QT Skiff but I don't know if that's the right lightness/load combo for
you. Probably close to what a canoe would do is my guess. Plenty of
other choices.
I've always liked the idea of a stripped out Sweet Pea but even stripped
out that's probably heavier.
BTW, what about a homemade leeboard for the canoe to improve tracking in
wind? However, it's my experience that rowing works better in the wind
than paddling does.
P.S. Don't take any sharp turns with soft tires or a boat on top!
>David Jost wrote:
>Well group,
>
>Pointy skiff survived the season of going on the roof of the Ford
>Exploder to the mother ship in Harwich and then back to the Hub. The
>luan ply is cracking, the bottom is coming off, and the seats are
>attached to nothing. So today, I switched her off the car roof for a
>16' canoe of the type that looks like it is made from linoleum. I
>love the lightness of this canoe, and its ability to take gear/people
>in relatively calm water, but hate the way it blows around in 20kts
>of wind! At one point I did a 180 in the middle of the lake.
>
>Here is the deal. What has Bolger got out there that will do what
>the canoe can without becoming a hassle? June Bug looks interesting,
>but is it light enough?
>
>David Jost
>http://users.rcn.com/djost.ma.ultranet/catboat%20pict.htm
>
We had at least 20 decent sails this season. Needless to say, the
boat is now ready to be hauled and upgraded. It also has a serious
case of boatpox, there is something that a wooden boat would never
get! I am going to write an article on fishing from a catboat. We
have been hammering the bluefish in Nantucket Sound. Our recent trip
landed 4 blues with one being a 12 pounder! I don't think the fish
expect a sailboat to be pursuing them! When we hook into a big one,
we pull up the centreboard and then let the sail luff. All fish
handling is done to starboard, away from the outboard motor. A good
length of wire leader is also helpful.
The surf looks like a good choice. I wonder how it rows as compared
to June Bug? The June Bug's great initial stability has a lot to
recommend it. Instant boats has it weighing in at about 100 lbs.
Pointy Skiff weighs in at around 70. The June Bug' could also have a
tiny motor well around the transom for an electric kicker (trolling
motor. this could be just the ticket for those days when it is just
too far a drive to go for a sail on the Cape.
David Jost
boat is now ready to be hauled and upgraded. It also has a serious
case of boatpox, there is something that a wooden boat would never
get! I am going to write an article on fishing from a catboat. We
have been hammering the bluefish in Nantucket Sound. Our recent trip
landed 4 blues with one being a 12 pounder! I don't think the fish
expect a sailboat to be pursuing them! When we hook into a big one,
we pull up the centreboard and then let the sail luff. All fish
handling is done to starboard, away from the outboard motor. A good
length of wire leader is also helpful.
The surf looks like a good choice. I wonder how it rows as compared
to June Bug? The June Bug's great initial stability has a lot to
recommend it. Instant boats has it weighing in at about 100 lbs.
Pointy Skiff weighs in at around 70. The June Bug' could also have a
tiny motor well around the transom for an electric kicker (trolling
motor. this could be just the ticket for those days when it is just
too far a drive to go for a sail on the Cape.
David Jost
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
I love your catboat! Surely you have had some lovely cruises
in her to write about:-)
As for a suggestion,how about a SURF built without the sail
rig,rudder and leeboard but 2 dedicated rowing stations.Being almost
a perfect double-ender,her ends are light enough to raise up onto the
roof rack,one end at a time.Given the new skills acquired during the
building of FIREFLY,you should be able to pull off a strong and light-
weight version of SURF......
Just my thoughts:-)
Happy Planning!
Peter Lenihan
> Here is the deal. What has Bolger got out there that will do whatinteresting,
> the canoe can without becoming a hassle? June Bug looks
> but is it light enough?Hi David,
>
> David Jost
>http://users.rcn.com/djost.ma.ultranet/catboat%20pict.htm
I love your catboat! Surely you have had some lovely cruises
in her to write about:-)
As for a suggestion,how about a SURF built without the sail
rig,rudder and leeboard but 2 dedicated rowing stations.Being almost
a perfect double-ender,her ends are light enough to raise up onto the
roof rack,one end at a time.Given the new skills acquired during the
building of FIREFLY,you should be able to pull off a strong and light-
weight version of SURF......
Just my thoughts:-)
Happy Planning!
Peter Lenihan
Well group,
Pointy skiff survived the season of going on the roof of the Ford
Exploder to the mother ship in Harwich and then back to the Hub. The
luan ply is cracking, the bottom is coming off, and the seats are
attached to nothing. So today, I switched her off the car roof for a
16' canoe of the type that looks like it is made from linoleum. I
love the lightness of this canoe, and its ability to take gear/people
in relatively calm water, but hate the way it blows around in 20kts
of wind! At one point I did a 180 in the middle of the lake.
Here is the deal. What has Bolger got out there that will do what
the canoe can without becoming a hassle? June Bug looks interesting,
but is it light enough?
David Jost
http://users.rcn.com/djost.ma.ultranet/catboat%20pict.htm
Pointy skiff survived the season of going on the roof of the Ford
Exploder to the mother ship in Harwich and then back to the Hub. The
luan ply is cracking, the bottom is coming off, and the seats are
attached to nothing. So today, I switched her off the car roof for a
16' canoe of the type that looks like it is made from linoleum. I
love the lightness of this canoe, and its ability to take gear/people
in relatively calm water, but hate the way it blows around in 20kts
of wind! At one point I did a 180 in the middle of the lake.
Here is the deal. What has Bolger got out there that will do what
the canoe can without becoming a hassle? June Bug looks interesting,
but is it light enough?
David Jost
http://users.rcn.com/djost.ma.ultranet/catboat%20pict.htm