Re: [bolger] Re: Help me build Surf
Great Idea!!! Off to the Sailmakers house we go!!!
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> Ed wrote:__________________________________
> > For the first sail, what material would you
> recommend short of real
> > sail cloth which is expensive? Any thoughts?
>
> 2nd hand sails are cheap, often free. When recut
> they often have
> heaps of life left in them. And they don't make a
> horrible noise.
> You will probably end up with a slightly heavier
> sail than a new
> one because you are cutting down the sail from a
> small keelboat
> to make a dinghy sail, but you aren't out to win
> races.
>
> This is what I did for the spritsail on my
> daughter's D4.
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
>
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Ed wrote:
heaps of life left in them. And they don't make a horrible noise.
You will probably end up with a slightly heavier sail than a new
one because you are cutting down the sail from a small keelboat
to make a dinghy sail, but you aren't out to win races.
This is what I did for the spritsail on my daughter's D4.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> For the first sail, what material would you recommend short of real2nd hand sails are cheap, often free. When recut they often have
> sail cloth which is expensive? Any thoughts?
heaps of life left in them. And they don't make a horrible noise.
You will probably end up with a slightly heavier sail than a new
one because you are cutting down the sail from a small keelboat
to make a dinghy sail, but you aren't out to win races.
This is what I did for the spritsail on my daughter's D4.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
NICE!!!!! You should put this link in the group for
all to see....
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all to see....
--- John Ewing <john.ewing@...> wrote:
> Ed, my first project was a Surf, also. Built ithttp://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm#S
> about two years ago and
> then tried to interpret the sail rigging. Being an
> Xtreme neophyte, I
> had splinters in my fingers from scratching my head
> -- until I read Jim
> Michalak's newsletter piece on sharpie sprit rigs.
> Click on this archive
> link
>
>
>__________________________________
> go to the Alphabetical Index, click on 'S' and
> scroll down to you see
> the entry on "rigging: about" in the group that
> looks like this:
>
> Sprit Sails
> polytarp; about
> polytarp; about cont.
> rigging; about
> reefing; about
>
>
> JohnE.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed [mailto:imreddieru1019@...]
> Sent: August 28, 2003 8:04 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Help me build Surf
>
> I am a first time builder and need an explination on
> the sailing rig.
> "Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much
> like an idiot,
> could someone give a detailed explination how to rig
> this boat? I have
> trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete
> save the rudder and
> lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar.
> Just need a little
> guidance.
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
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I will check that out, thank you. I also found the
construction manual for the Spirt Rig on the Teal
which is exactly the same sail. Inch for inch. Go to
www.sailrite.com and search Bolger.
But thanks again...
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construction manual for the Spirt Rig on the Teal
which is exactly the same sail. Inch for inch. Go to
www.sailrite.com and search Bolger.
But thanks again...
--- John Ewing <john.ewing@...> wrote:
> Ed, my first project was a Surf, also. Built ithttp://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm#S
> about two years ago and
> then tried to interpret the sail rigging. Being an
> Xtreme neophyte, I
> had splinters in my fingers from scratching my head
> -- until I read Jim
> Michalak's newsletter piece on sharpie sprit rigs.
> Click on this archive
> link
>
>
>__________________________________
> go to the Alphabetical Index, click on 'S' and
> scroll down to you see
> the entry on "rigging: about" in the group that
> looks like this:
>
> Sprit Sails
> polytarp; about
> polytarp; about cont.
> rigging; about
> reefing; about
>
>
> JohnE.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed [mailto:imreddieru1019@...]
> Sent: August 28, 2003 8:04 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Help me build Surf
>
> I am a first time builder and need an explination on
> the sailing rig.
> "Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much
> like an idiot,
> could someone give a detailed explination how to rig
> this boat? I have
> trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete
> save the rudder and
> lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar.
> Just need a little
> guidance.
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
> and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209,
> Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:
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>
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>
>
>
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Well, I am with both of you. Being my first boat, I
want to get on the water before the season ends, which
it will soon here on the Great South Bay of Long
Island. Hence a quick and cheap sail. I will certainly
invest more when I have the funds to do so, but the
quick way is the poly tarp sail.
Over the Winter I plan on getting the proper material
from Sailrite and build one myself. It's all a
learning process so that I may achieve my ultimate
goal of circumnavigation.
I'll get to that at another time...
Thanks again
Look for pics by Monday night...
Ed
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want to get on the water before the season ends, which
it will soon here on the Great South Bay of Long
Island. Hence a quick and cheap sail. I will certainly
invest more when I have the funds to do so, but the
quick way is the poly tarp sail.
Over the Winter I plan on getting the proper material
from Sailrite and build one myself. It's all a
learning process so that I may achieve my ultimate
goal of circumnavigation.
I'll get to that at another time...
Thanks again
Look for pics by Monday night...
Ed
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> > I would not even consider making__________________________________
> > a polytarp sail if I were building
> > one of these boats.
>
> I respect that opinion, while I
> hold another. Polytarp sails,
> like home made boats, give you
> the satisfaction of the sense
> of 'doing it yourself'.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
>
> Shows a couple pictures of my making
> one of those 59 SF 'Teal class' sails
> last month. Bought my polytarp from
> www.tarps.com for less than $20.
>
> One trick I learned in the process, is
> to spray some 3M spray adhesive
> on the seams, before you fold them
> over. Search out the WWW web pages on
> how to cut sails, especially those
> by Jim Michalak.
>
>
>
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Ed, my first project was a Surf, also. Built it about two years ago and
then tried to interpret the sail rigging. Being an Xtreme neophyte, I
had splinters in my fingers from scratching my head -- until I read Jim
Michalak's newsletter piece on sharpie sprit rigs. Click on this archive
link
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm#S
go to the Alphabetical Index, click on 'S' and scroll down to you see
the entry on "rigging: about" in the group that looks like this:
Sprit Sails
polytarp; about
polytarp; about cont.
rigging; about
reefing; about
JohnE.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:imreddieru1019@...]
Sent: August 28, 2003 8:04 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Help me build Surf
I am a first time builder and need an explination on the sailing rig.
"Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much like an idiot,
could someone give a detailed explination how to rig this boat? I have
trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete save the rudder and
lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar. Just need a little
guidance.
Thanks
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
Fax: (978) 282-1349
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then tried to interpret the sail rigging. Being an Xtreme neophyte, I
had splinters in my fingers from scratching my head -- until I read Jim
Michalak's newsletter piece on sharpie sprit rigs. Click on this archive
link
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm#S
go to the Alphabetical Index, click on 'S' and scroll down to you see
the entry on "rigging: about" in the group that looks like this:
Sprit Sails
polytarp; about
polytarp; about cont.
rigging; about
reefing; about
JohnE.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:imreddieru1019@...]
Sent: August 28, 2003 8:04 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Help me build Surf
I am a first time builder and need an explination on the sailing rig.
"Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much like an idiot,
could someone give a detailed explination how to rig this boat? I have
trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete save the rudder and
lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar. Just need a little
guidance.
Thanks
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
Fax: (978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> I would not even consider makingI respect that opinion, while I
> a polytarp sail if I were building
> one of these boats.
hold another. Polytarp sails,
like home made boats, give you
the satisfaction of the sense
of 'doing it yourself'.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
Shows a couple pictures of my making
one of those 59 SF 'Teal class' sails
last month. Bought my polytarp from
www.tarps.com for less than $20.
One trick I learned in the process, is
to spray some 3M spray adhesive
on the seams, before you fold them
over. Search out the WWW web pages on
how to cut sails, especially those
by Jim Michalak.
One of the good things about Surf is that it uses the
ubiquitous 59 sq. ft. leg o'mutton sail shared by many
bolger designs including Teal, Nymph, Cartopper, Gypsy
ect. You can buy a professionally made "real" sail
from Payson for only $175, which is a GREAT value. Let
me say it again, this is the BEST value in sails
around.
I would not even consider making a polytarp sail if I
were building one of these boats. Start saving your
pennies!
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ubiquitous 59 sq. ft. leg o'mutton sail shared by many
bolger designs including Teal, Nymph, Cartopper, Gypsy
ect. You can buy a professionally made "real" sail
from Payson for only $175, which is a GREAT value. Let
me say it again, this is the BEST value in sails
around.
I would not even consider making a polytarp sail if I
were building one of these boats. Start saving your
pennies!
--- Ed <imreddieru1019@...> wrote:
> For the first sail, what material would you__________________________________
> recommend short of real
> sail cloth which is expensive? Any thoughts?
> Thanks again...
> Ed--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
>
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For the first sail, what material would you recommend short of real
sail cloth which is expensive? Any thoughts?
Thanks again...
Ed--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ellengaestboatbuildingcom"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
sail cloth which is expensive? Any thoughts?
Thanks again...
Ed--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ellengaestboatbuildingcom"
<ellengaest@b...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <imreddieru1019@y...> wrote:
> > Just need a little
> > guidance.
> > Thanks
>
> "Ed",
> That is a good first time boat you're building! That "spar" you
> refer to is normally called a sprit boom. Unlike a conventional
> boom,the sprit boom has no solid attachment point to the mast via a
> gooseneck but instead is secured ,loosely,to the mast with a length
> of line/rope.You can tension this line,the snotter, to help control
> the shape of the sail;that is,how big a "belly" you want in your
> sail.
> The sail itself is tied to the mast,no sail track,no pulleys.
> Since you have already built the boat,with only a few accessories
> remaining,the best "guidance" lays before you,right on the plans.I
> do not have my set of SURF plans before me, but I seem to recall
> that they were/are very clearly drawn with all the needed details on
> display.
> You have to post some pictures of you SURF,now that everyone
> knows yours is about to be launched :-)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
Thanks, I will put up some pictures of the boat as it
is now. Though I need to move my computer out doors to
get that.
Thanks again...
Ed
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is now. Though I need to move my computer out doors to
get that.
Thanks again...
Ed
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed"__________________________________
> <imreddieru1019@y...> wrote:
> > Just need a little
> > guidance.
> > Thanks
>
> "Ed",
> That is a good first time boat you're building!
> That "spar" you
> refer to is normally called a sprit boom. Unlike a
> conventional
> boom,the sprit boom has no solid attachment point to
> the mast via a
> gooseneck but instead is secured ,loosely,to the
> mast with a length
> of line/rope.You can tension this line,the snotter,
> to help control
> the shape of the sail;that is,how big a "belly" you
> want in your
> sail.
> The sail itself is tied to the mast,no sail
> track,no pulleys.
> Since you have already built the boat,with only a
> few accessories
> remaining,the best "guidance" lays before you,right
> on the plans.I
> do not have my set of SURF plans before me, but I
> seem to recall
> that they were/are very clearly drawn with all the
> needed details on
> display.
> You have to post some pictures of you SURF,now
> that everyone
> knows yours is about to be launched :-)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <imreddieru1019@y...> wrote:
That is a good first time boat you're building! That "spar" you
refer to is normally called a sprit boom. Unlike a conventional
boom,the sprit boom has no solid attachment point to the mast via a
gooseneck but instead is secured ,loosely,to the mast with a length
of line/rope.You can tension this line,the snotter, to help control
the shape of the sail;that is,how big a "belly" you want in your
sail.
The sail itself is tied to the mast,no sail track,no pulleys.
Since you have already built the boat,with only a few accessories
remaining,the best "guidance" lays before you,right on the plans.I
do not have my set of SURF plans before me, but I seem to recall
that they were/are very clearly drawn with all the needed details on
display.
You have to post some pictures of you SURF,now that everyone
knows yours is about to be launched :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Just need a little"Ed",
> guidance.
> Thanks
That is a good first time boat you're building! That "spar" you
refer to is normally called a sprit boom. Unlike a conventional
boom,the sprit boom has no solid attachment point to the mast via a
gooseneck but instead is secured ,loosely,to the mast with a length
of line/rope.You can tension this line,the snotter, to help control
the shape of the sail;that is,how big a "belly" you want in your
sail.
The sail itself is tied to the mast,no sail track,no pulleys.
Since you have already built the boat,with only a few accessories
remaining,the best "guidance" lays before you,right on the plans.I
do not have my set of SURF plans before me, but I seem to recall
that they were/are very clearly drawn with all the needed details on
display.
You have to post some pictures of you SURF,now that everyone
knows yours is about to be launched :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
I am a first time builder and need an explination on the sailing rig.
"Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much like an idiot,
could someone give a detailed explination how to rig this boat? I have
trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete save the rudder and
lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar. Just need a little
guidance.
Thanks
"Snotter", and so forth. Without sounding too much like an idiot,
could someone give a detailed explination how to rig this boat? I have
trouble understanding it all. The hull is complete save the rudder and
lee board. I'm about to begin the mast and spar. Just need a little
guidance.
Thanks