[bolger] Re: Back to bang for the buck!
Stan, I can get about 4knts in Lily. You should contact PCB for explanation
of system as it is his design but I wouldn't be surprised if it worked
better with Micro and the keel in particular. He is not in favor of the
rudder mount though. Clyde
Stan Muller wrote:
of system as it is his design but I wouldn't be surprised if it worked
better with Micro and the keel in particular. He is not in favor of the
rudder mount though. Clyde
Stan Muller wrote:
> Hi Clyde, I would like very much to hear about your Lilly and electric
> set up. At one time, and it's not too late yet, I had thought about
> mounting a power head of a trolling motor right into the rudder. I saw
> the idea on Stevenson Projects page (back yard boats) where he had done
> the same, on one of his Weekenders. I have always liked electric as an
> auxiliary for sailing because of its instant on capability. Now that I'm
> away from sailing, I am still interested as electric as a back up. Any
> information you wish to share on your system would be appreciated.
> Stan, SG, Not on the frozen banks of the St. Lawrence where the ice is
> 3' thick. ;-)
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Hi Clyde, I would like very much to hear about your Lilly and electric
set up. At one time, and it's not too late yet, I had thought about
mounting a power head of a trolling motor right into the rudder. I saw
the idea on Stevenson Projects page (back yard boats) where he had done
the same, on one of his Weekenders. I have always liked electric as an
auxiliary for sailing because of its instant on capability. Now that I'm
away from sailing, I am still interested as electric as a back up. Any
information you wish to share on your system would be appreciated.
Stan, SG, Not on the frozen banks of the St. Lawrence where the ice is
3' thick. ;-)
set up. At one time, and it's not too late yet, I had thought about
mounting a power head of a trolling motor right into the rudder. I saw
the idea on Stevenson Projects page (back yard boats) where he had done
the same, on one of his Weekenders. I have always liked electric as an
auxiliary for sailing because of its instant on capability. Now that I'm
away from sailing, I am still interested as electric as a back up. Any
information you wish to share on your system would be appreciated.
Stan, SG, Not on the frozen banks of the St. Lawrence where the ice is
3' thick. ;-)
Thanks for the info on the Redwing, Phil, but I'm going with the Micro
conversion, For all the same reasons as you picking the Junebug.
Stan, SG
<snip>
conversion, For all the same reasons as you picking the Junebug.
Stan, SG
<snip>
> I built a Junebug precisely because of the complexity of Karl's<snip>
> Windward 17, i.e. strongback method of building with lots of parts, and
> oh so much deadwood with an inner double-keelson, inner stem, outer
> stem, two-part mast step, two-part gunwale/rubrail, bow knee, knees for
> side decks, etc.
Stan, if it were not for the 4mi current, I'd perhaps be talking to about
about my Lily. You might talk to Phil and Susanne about how to get enough
electric power for your Micro because it sure is the easy way to go. Clyde
Wisner
David Beede wrote:
about my Lily. You might talk to Phil and Susanne about how to get enough
electric power for your Micro because it sure is the easy way to go. Clyde
Wisner
David Beede wrote:
> Stan,
> Seems Mr. Phil might be the best guy to answer your questions
> regarding micro as power cruiser. If the stability without the keel
> would be adequate - since you've omitted the rig too, my guess is it
> might work well as a low power displacement cruiser. As I learned from
> my Featherwind's behavior with a trolling motor it slides through the
> water very nicely under power. Given your health concerns perhaps
> keeping your eyes opened for a nice quiet four stroke on a well sprung
> bracket and ideally electric start, of course. I picked up a Yamaha 9.9
> long shaft for $800. They are great motors. I believe some of the
> smaller ones are available in electric start too.
> Keep us posted on your progress.
> David
> Stan Muller wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Peter, Lincoln and David
> Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter, yes
> the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
> what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
> having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
> going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
> some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
> things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
> go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
> had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
> two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
> alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
> remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
> coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
> I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
> Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
> tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
> of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
> turn out like. Very nice.
> Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
> bottom,
> which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
> power
> boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
> way
> to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
> except for the sailing.
> Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
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This thread might be dead but please let me clarify.
The designer of the Redwing series of power cruisers is Karl Stambaugh.
He has designed several in this series. I know of 18.5' (featured in
WoodenBoat, plans section), 21' and 23'. All are very aesthetically
pleasing, trailerable, outboard/inboard, displacement to
semi/displacement flat bottomed ply skiffs. 21' & 23' are described in
Boat Design Quarterly #15. See athttp://www.woodenboat.com/bdq.htm.
I have this particular BDQ specifically for these two designs. The
editor states about the 21' & 23' that the "frames occupy lots of
space", and that "we have built boats like this since W.W.II".
I built a Junebug precisely because of the complexity of Karl's
Windward 17, i.e. strongback method of building with lots of parts, and
oh so much deadwood with an inner double-keelson, inner stem, outer
stem, two-part mast step, two-part gunwale/rubrail, bow knee, knees for
side decks, etc.
However, Karl, in his design packet, states that "all designs (other
than his plank on frames) are suitable for tack and tape, just ask."
His stuff is good and pretty, and he is pleasant to work with. As of
May '98, you could email Karl atKStamba103@....
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
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The designer of the Redwing series of power cruisers is Karl Stambaugh.
He has designed several in this series. I know of 18.5' (featured in
WoodenBoat, plans section), 21' and 23'. All are very aesthetically
pleasing, trailerable, outboard/inboard, displacement to
semi/displacement flat bottomed ply skiffs. 21' & 23' are described in
Boat Design Quarterly #15. See athttp://www.woodenboat.com/bdq.htm.
I have this particular BDQ specifically for these two designs. The
editor states about the 21' & 23' that the "frames occupy lots of
space", and that "we have built boats like this since W.W.II".
I built a Junebug precisely because of the complexity of Karl's
Windward 17, i.e. strongback method of building with lots of parts, and
oh so much deadwood with an inner double-keelson, inner stem, outer
stem, two-part mast step, two-part gunwale/rubrail, bow knee, knees for
side decks, etc.
However, Karl, in his design packet, states that "all designs (other
than his plank on frames) are suitable for tack and tape, just ask."
His stuff is good and pretty, and he is pleasant to work with. As of
May '98, you could email Karl atKStamba103@....
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3094
> I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, aalso
> Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I
> tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
> of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
> turn out like. Very nice.
> Thanks, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
> Hello Stan,and
> I think,now,that if I already had the hull of a MICRO all made
> did not want a sailboat,I would be damned tempted to turn that littleEnchanting idea!
> critter into a......TUGBOAT!!
Stan, what stage of construction is your micro in? This has to be
doable by May at the latest.
Peter Vanderwaart somewhat close to the expensive homes on shore of
Long Island Sound.
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3094
I apologize for making what now appear as insensitive comments.I
was not fully aware of the extant of your.......difficulties.
I think,now,that if I already had the hull of a MICRO all made and
did not want a sailboat,I would be damned tempted to turn that little
critter into a......TUGBOAT!!
Keep the keel for stability and tracking purposes.Also,keep the
cabin top,that is,the foredeck intact but build a niffty little
pilothouse(full standing headroom)where the hatch/companionway is on
the plans and perhaps extend this aft a little to use up some of that
now almost useless sailing cocpit.
Of course,this is nothing short of the most foulest,most evilest
and blasphemous bit of tripe ever to be bandied about concerning the
endearing little Micro and I would not want to be too closely
associated with the outcome however,should you proceed along those
lines,you must promise to send me the pictures first,please,please,plea
se!!
Sincerely,
Peter lenihan,indeed experiencing a thaw,much to his delight,on the
soon to be muddy banks of the St.Lawrence...........
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3094
> Hi Peter, Lincoln and Davidyes
> Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter,
> the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowewere
> what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit tonot
> having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps usto
> going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
> some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
> things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top
> go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that Ialso
> had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
> two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
> alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
> remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
> coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
> I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
> Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I
> tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a pictureeasiest
> of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
> turn out like. Very nice.
> Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
> bottom,
> which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
> power
> boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the
> wayMicro,
> to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the
> except for the sailing.Hello Stan,
> Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
I apologize for making what now appear as insensitive comments.I
was not fully aware of the extant of your.......difficulties.
I think,now,that if I already had the hull of a MICRO all made and
did not want a sailboat,I would be damned tempted to turn that little
critter into a......TUGBOAT!!
Keep the keel for stability and tracking purposes.Also,keep the
cabin top,that is,the foredeck intact but build a niffty little
pilothouse(full standing headroom)where the hatch/companionway is on
the plans and perhaps extend this aft a little to use up some of that
now almost useless sailing cocpit.
Of course,this is nothing short of the most foulest,most evilest
and blasphemous bit of tripe ever to be bandied about concerning the
endearing little Micro and I would not want to be too closely
associated with the outcome however,should you proceed along those
lines,you must promise to send me the pictures first,please,please,plea
se!!
Sincerely,
Peter lenihan,indeed experiencing a thaw,much to his delight,on the
soon to be muddy banks of the St.Lawrence...........
Pippo,
Yes but "real" power boats are designed to get up and go fast enough
to blow our eyeballs out and pump gallons of "dead dinosaurs" into the
water. A low power displacement speed cruiser is a whole other animal.
Moving the same speed you'd sail her at. What's the hurry?
David
Guise 'Pippo' Bianco wrote:
However, even if I'm not a NA, I think that any real NA would tell you
that Micro has way too much rocker in the bottom to be an effective
power boat. Look at the profile of real power boats: they're always
flattish in the bottom.
My 2 cents!
Best
Pippo
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
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Yes but "real" power boats are designed to get up and go fast enough
to blow our eyeballs out and pump gallons of "dead dinosaurs" into the
water. A low power displacement speed cruiser is a whole other animal.
Moving the same speed you'd sail her at. What's the hurry?
David
Guise 'Pippo' Bianco wrote:
>minutes.
> Hi Stan - I'm in Paris right now, and my meeting will start in 5
However, even if I'm not a NA, I think that any real NA would tell you
that Micro has way too much rocker in the bottom to be an effective
power boat. Look at the profile of real power boats: they're always
flattish in the bottom.
My 2 cents!
Best
Pippo
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
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> Don wrote;or Tennessee
> > Gosh, are you sure about this? Micro is not a long slim Sneakeasy
> > Unless you motor on a river or millpond.--
> > Micro is so short, and the upturned flat forward bottom is very
> > exposed in any chop. It will rattle your teeth!
>
> Old folks go with the waves. ;-) Then again, I could always leave my
> teeth home.
> Stan, SG
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Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/featherwind.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Hi Stan - I'm in Paris right now, and my meeting will start in 5
minutes.
However, even if I'm not a NA, I think that any real NA would tell you
that Micro has way too much rocker in the bottom to be an effective
power boat. Look at the profile of real power boats: they're always
flattish in the bottom.
My 2 cents!
Best
Pippo
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
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minutes.
However, even if I'm not a NA, I think that any real NA would tell you
that Micro has way too much rocker in the bottom to be an effective
power boat. Look at the profile of real power boats: they're always
flattish in the bottom.
My 2 cents!
Best
Pippo
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
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> Don wrote;or Tennessee
> > Gosh, are you sure about this? Micro is not a long slim Sneakeasy
> > Unless you motor on a river or millpond.
> > Micro is so short, and the upturned flat forward bottom is very
> > exposed in any chop. It will rattle your teeth!
>
> Old folks go with the waves. ;-) Then again, I could always leave my
> teeth home.
> Stan, SG
Don wrote;
teeth home.
Stan, SG
> Gosh, are you sure about this? Micro is not a long slim Sneakeasy or TennesseeOld folks go with the waves. ;-) Then again, I could always leave my
> Unless you motor on a river or millpond.
> Micro is so short, and the upturned flat forward bottom is very
> exposed in any chop. It will rattle your teeth!
teeth home.
Stan, SG
Dear Stan:
It is people like you that make e-mail "one of the best parts of
boating". I'm looking forward to your future postings.
Bill in MN
It is people like you that make e-mail "one of the best parts of
boating". I'm looking forward to your future postings.
Bill in MN
Gosh, are you sure about this? Micro is not a long slim Sneakeasy or Tennessee
Unless you motor on a river or millpond.
Micro is so short, and the upturned flat forward bottom is very
exposed in any chop. It will rattle your teeth!
Good luck anyway,
Don
Unless you motor on a river or millpond.
Micro is so short, and the upturned flat forward bottom is very
exposed in any chop. It will rattle your teeth!
Good luck anyway,
Don
> > Hi Peter, Lincoln and David
> Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
> bottom,
> which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
> power
> boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
> way
> to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
> except for the sailing.
> Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
Hi One and All,
I am totally blown away by all the kind responses I have received
from this posting. There is no way I could ever thank you all enough for
all the wonderful support you have offered.
Before I wrote the initial posting concerning the planed misuse of my
micro, I went the the fire house and borrowed a set of fire proof
underwear. I knew, the very least, I was looking forward to being burnt
at the stake for such heresy. Instead of that, I have been overwhelmed
by everyone's understanding and kind comments. I even managed to pick up
cyber grandson in the deal, thanks Chuck C. and let me say, anyone
capable of your sentiments, does not belong to a mixed up generation.
You've got as together as it gets!
Robert, as far as having weight down low, I will have about 25
gallons of water on board, plus two deep cycle batteries, and about 200
pounds of food and supplies, all on the floor level amid ships.
I have also thought about a smaller mizzen to assist keeping her bow
into the chop in case of a blow.
David, I like the idea of a four stroke, but at present I have a
4.5 HP merc.. with forward and reverse tranny, that I hope will do the
job. If I get ambitious, my son just told me on the phone that he found
me a little two cylinder diesel that I could fulfill my dream of having
a paddlewheel. (Stern drive of course) How would that be for garnering
the, What the h**l is that" vote?
wmrpage,@ aol.com, No, nothing serious, just the loss of mobility.
I like the skeg idea, and I already have the keel poured though I am
going to try it out without the ballast first.
swimmer.
Well, that's enough band width for now, I again thank you all for
your kindness. I never thought that a email group would turn out to be
one of the best parts of boating, but ya'll sure add to the enjoyment of
the hobby.
Stan, of the Motor Cruiser, Snow Goose ;-)
I am totally blown away by all the kind responses I have received
from this posting. There is no way I could ever thank you all enough for
all the wonderful support you have offered.
Before I wrote the initial posting concerning the planed misuse of my
micro, I went the the fire house and borrowed a set of fire proof
underwear. I knew, the very least, I was looking forward to being burnt
at the stake for such heresy. Instead of that, I have been overwhelmed
by everyone's understanding and kind comments. I even managed to pick up
cyber grandson in the deal, thanks Chuck C. and let me say, anyone
capable of your sentiments, does not belong to a mixed up generation.
You've got as together as it gets!
Robert, as far as having weight down low, I will have about 25
gallons of water on board, plus two deep cycle batteries, and about 200
pounds of food and supplies, all on the floor level amid ships.
I have also thought about a smaller mizzen to assist keeping her bow
into the chop in case of a blow.
David, I like the idea of a four stroke, but at present I have a
4.5 HP merc.. with forward and reverse tranny, that I hope will do the
job. If I get ambitious, my son just told me on the phone that he found
me a little two cylinder diesel that I could fulfill my dream of having
a paddlewheel. (Stern drive of course) How would that be for garnering
the, What the h**l is that" vote?
wmrpage,@ aol.com, No, nothing serious, just the loss of mobility.
I like the skeg idea, and I already have the keel poured though I am
going to try it out without the ballast first.
> Of course, I take no responsibility if itThat sounds exciting! But not to worry, I still am, one H**l of a
> runs sideways, turns turtle at the slightest provocation, etc.,
swimmer.
Well, that's enough band width for now, I again thank you all for
your kindness. I never thought that a email group would turn out to be
one of the best parts of boating, but ya'll sure add to the enjoyment of
the hobby.
Stan, of the Motor Cruiser, Snow Goose ;-)
Dear Stan:
I hope your condition is no more serious (!) than some loss of mobility.
Speaking without any qualifications on the subject, my instinctive reaction
is that you should just go for it. Slap an outboard on that puppy. If you've
got time, maybe a bit of skeg would keep it from wandering all over the place
in a cross-wind and make it a bit easier to trailer on a conventional boat
trailer. (not to mention a lot easier, cheaper and faster than pouring,
fabricating, attaching, etc. that ballast keel. If it needs more stability
or just weight to float on its lines, there is broad flat floor to spread out
any sort of internal ballast and to adjust as necessary. I urge you to go
for it and keep us all informed. Of course, I take no responsibility if it
runs sideways, turns turtle at the slightest provocation, etc., but looking
at the plans (with an uneducated eye, to be sure) I can't see any reason why
using it as a power cruiser without the external keel wouldn't be perfectly
feasible. I'm sure that if Bolger were to design a "Micro" power cruiser, it
would be something quite different, but I'm even more sure that it would beat
not being on the water. It certainly would be better looking than any
Bayliner. Best of luck. Please keep us posted.
I hope your condition is no more serious (!) than some loss of mobility.
Speaking without any qualifications on the subject, my instinctive reaction
is that you should just go for it. Slap an outboard on that puppy. If you've
got time, maybe a bit of skeg would keep it from wandering all over the place
in a cross-wind and make it a bit easier to trailer on a conventional boat
trailer. (not to mention a lot easier, cheaper and faster than pouring,
fabricating, attaching, etc. that ballast keel. If it needs more stability
or just weight to float on its lines, there is broad flat floor to spread out
any sort of internal ballast and to adjust as necessary. I urge you to go
for it and keep us all informed. Of course, I take no responsibility if it
runs sideways, turns turtle at the slightest provocation, etc., but looking
at the plans (with an uneducated eye, to be sure) I can't see any reason why
using it as a power cruiser without the external keel wouldn't be perfectly
feasible. I'm sure that if Bolger were to design a "Micro" power cruiser, it
would be something quite different, but I'm even more sure that it would beat
not being on the water. It certainly would be better looking than any
Bayliner. Best of luck. Please keep us posted.
Stan,
Seems Mr. Phil might be the best guy to answer your questions
regarding micro as power cruiser. If the stability without the keel
would be adequate - since you've omitted the rig too, my guess is it
might work well as a low power displacement cruiser. As I learned from
my Featherwind's behavior with a trolling motor it slides through the
water very nicely under power. Given your health concerns perhaps
keeping your eyes opened for a nice quiet four stroke on a well sprung
bracket and ideally electric start, of course. I picked up a Yamaha 9.9
long shaft for $800. They are great motors. I believe some of the
smaller ones are available in electric start too.
Keep us posted on your progress.
David
Stan Muller wrote:
the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
turn out like. Very nice.
Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
bottom,
which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
power
boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
way
to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
except for the sailing.
Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
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Seems Mr. Phil might be the best guy to answer your questions
regarding micro as power cruiser. If the stability without the keel
would be adequate - since you've omitted the rig too, my guess is it
might work well as a low power displacement cruiser. As I learned from
my Featherwind's behavior with a trolling motor it slides through the
water very nicely under power. Given your health concerns perhaps
keeping your eyes opened for a nice quiet four stroke on a well sprung
bracket and ideally electric start, of course. I picked up a Yamaha 9.9
long shaft for $800. They are great motors. I believe some of the
smaller ones are available in electric start too.
Keep us posted on your progress.
David
Stan Muller wrote:
>Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter, yes
> Hi Peter, Lincoln and David
the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
turn out like. Very nice.
Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
bottom,
which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
power
boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
way
to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
except for the sailing.
Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
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http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
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I think you'd still need the keel (or atleast the weight down low) wouldn't
you? Otherwise you'd have a bobbing top which, with its high sides might
prove rather tippy.
Amateur Yacht Design Questions asnswered by:
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
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you? Otherwise you'd have a bobbing top which, with its high sides might
prove rather tippy.
Amateur Yacht Design Questions asnswered by:
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Muller [mailto:smuller@...]
> Sent: February 23, 2000 3:24 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Back to bang for the buck!
>
>
> Hi Peter, Lincoln and David
> Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter, yes
> the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
> what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
> having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
> going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
> some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
> things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
> go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
> had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
> two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
> alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
> remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
> coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
> I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
> Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
> tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
> of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
> turn out like. Very nice.
> Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
> bottom,
> which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
> power
> boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
> way
> to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
> except for the sailing.
> Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
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Stan,
Maybe you could look for a young man (cabin boy), who could use some
grandfatherly wisdom, could set the mast, climb the cabin, and perhaps learn
a few things about life from someone else's experience.
I'm 36, but if I were anywhere close to you I would apply.
Hoping that more will pass on wisdom to our young mixed up generation,
Chuck C.
Maybe you could look for a young man (cabin boy), who could use some
grandfatherly wisdom, could set the mast, climb the cabin, and perhaps learn
a few things about life from someone else's experience.
I'm 36, but if I were anywhere close to you I would apply.
Hoping that more will pass on wisdom to our young mixed up generation,
Chuck C.
Hi Peter, Lincoln and David
Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter, yes
the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
turn out like. Very nice.
Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
bottom,
which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
power
boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
way
to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
except for the sailing.
Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, and the advice and Peter, yes
the Micro is all you said it is, in fact the comments about Larowe were
what lead me to start building it two years ago. I have to admit to not
having been in the best shape then, but the challenge is what keeps us
going and the building process has been great. As luck would have it,
some of the problems of age have multiplied since then, and little
things like setting the mast, or even stepping up onto the cabin top to
go forward has gotten totally out of reach for me now. The limp that I
had when I started building has gone to walking with a cane and now to
two canes. Aging is a bummer, but it beats the heck out of the
alternative. ;-) Now if all of that is not enough to depress you, just
remember how warm it is down here, and the fact that our daffodils are
coming up, and today it is up into the 70's! (grin)
I checked Redwing out on wooden boats, and came up with a Sloop, a
Redwing 26 (power skiff) and a Redwing 40 (power cruiser). David, I also
tried the URL you included, and even though it didn't have a picture
of the finished boat, it had enough to give me an idea of what it will
turn out like. Very nice.
Back to the Micro, other than the pounding in a chop from the flat
bottom,
which wouldn't be a bother, what are your thoughts on the Micro as a
power
boat? To me, it seems like the path of least resistance and the easiest
way
to get onto the water at this point. With all the benefits of the Micro,
except for the sailing.
Thanks again gentlemen, Stan of the motor vessel? Snow Goose.
I got to see Carl's Redwing in St Michael's last summer. It's a beauty!
My friend Bill Young actually cuts out kits for them on his shopbot.
http://www.esva.net/~byoung/rwkit.htm
David
peter lenihan wrote:
I seem to recall that the MICRO,as designed,was the result of
someones"wish list"(Elrow Larowe?) for a really home-buildable little
sailboat that could be enjoyed by"older,less limber folk" not much
interested in a workout but just some easy times on the water in a boat
designed to forgive(within reason) moments(hours?!) of inattention.That
it be self- righting,when the odds finally caught up with you and that
should you need a little nap,after so much inertia,then a
comfortable,dry berth awaited the skipper and his crew!
Without knowing you,but detecting an aire of resignation,I can
only say with sincerity,that the MICRO may be just the ticket for
you.No atheltics are required unless you feel up to the challenge and
her motion underway is one most conducive to relaxation with minimal
grief.
In short,don't break your heart trying to change this highly
refined and most delightful little boat.Of course,if you must surrender
to a powerboat,seeking another type of recreation,I would humbly
suggest,with respect,a design somewhat along the lines of Carl
Straumbaum(Check spelling!) beautiful little REDWING design.Woodenboat
Magazine,I believe,carries the plans.
Whatever route you chose,do not despair!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,experiencing the beginings of what almost looks like a
spring thaw,on the still frozen shores of the St.Lawrence.....
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/featherwind.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
My friend Bill Young actually cuts out kits for them on his shopbot.
http://www.esva.net/~byoung/rwkit.htm
David
peter lenihan wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3084
> stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
> Richard and Robert,the
> Thanks for the suggestions of Michalak's AF4. It certainly looks to
> be a fine little boat, But, (isn't there always a but?) When I compare
> it to the Micro, I really like the idea of the long slit top allowing
> you to go forward with out having to climb out of the cockpit to the
> cabin top. The only other advantage it shows is the fact that it would
> plane, with a reasonably small outboard. I would loose, headroom in
> cuddy and overall in the size of the beam.least
> As a fair wood butcher, and knowing nothing about design, my first
> inclination would be to leave the sails, masts and keel in the garage
> and finish the Micro off as a motor cruiser. I know, I know, this is
> like cutting the wings off a butterfly, and I would have to change the
> name from Snow Goose to Ruptured Duck, but if this would work, at
> I could get my use out of it, and the next owner could add the sailingmotor
> options at a later date. If it worked really well, someone on the list
> would get the chance to pick up masts, sails, and keel for a song.
> Can anyone give an educated guess on how a Micro would be as a
> cruiser? It would be at least 450 pounds lighter, but all else wouldbe
> the same.only
> I certainly would appreciate any thoughts anyone can offer. The
> thing is, don't blame me for the necessity of going from sail tomotor.
> Blame mother nature and father time! Again I say, "build it now, notHello Stan,
> when it's too late to enjoy it!"
> Stan, GS or RD? In mid America where the temp F. is 62 at 0300. ;-)
I seem to recall that the MICRO,as designed,was the result of
someones"wish list"(Elrow Larowe?) for a really home-buildable little
sailboat that could be enjoyed by"older,less limber folk" not much
interested in a workout but just some easy times on the water in a boat
designed to forgive(within reason) moments(hours?!) of inattention.That
it be self- righting,when the odds finally caught up with you and that
should you need a little nap,after so much inertia,then a
comfortable,dry berth awaited the skipper and his crew!
Without knowing you,but detecting an aire of resignation,I can
only say with sincerity,that the MICRO may be just the ticket for
you.No atheltics are required unless you feel up to the challenge and
her motion underway is one most conducive to relaxation with minimal
grief.
In short,don't break your heart trying to change this highly
refined and most delightful little boat.Of course,if you must surrender
to a powerboat,seeking another type of recreation,I would humbly
suggest,with respect,a design somewhat along the lines of Carl
Straumbaum(Check spelling!) beautiful little REDWING design.Woodenboat
Magazine,I believe,carries the plans.
Whatever route you chose,do not despair!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,experiencing the beginings of what almost looks like a
spring thaw,on the still frozen shores of the St.Lawrence.....
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/featherwind.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3084
snip The only
can be really disciplined you can push back injuries. I've had times
when I had to crawl down the hall to the bathroom, but I've paid
attention to my back problem, done exercises etc. and can now pick up
and carry around small boats (by myself!). I didn't used to be able to
go cross country skiing due to an elbow problem, but by several years
of using ice, I can again. Maybe in another couple I can play softball
again. I'm not saying any of this is 100% recovery, and I still need
the ice packs after I build. Maybe when I'm older I will discover what
REAL gimpiness is, but I hope you haven't given up without a fight.
Hope you've explored all avenues.
Good luck with your projects however they come out.
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3084
snip The only
> thing is, don't blame me for the necessity of going from sail tomotor.
> Blame mother nature and father time! Again I say, "build it now, notI may be totally full of it, but I've discovered that sometimes if you
> when it's too late to enjoy it!"
> Stan, GS or RD? In mid America where the temp F. is 62 at 0300. ;-)
can be really disciplined you can push back injuries. I've had times
when I had to crawl down the hall to the bathroom, but I've paid
attention to my back problem, done exercises etc. and can now pick up
and carry around small boats (by myself!). I didn't used to be able to
go cross country skiing due to an elbow problem, but by several years
of using ice, I can again. Maybe in another couple I can play softball
again. I'm not saying any of this is 100% recovery, and I still need
the ice packs after I build. Maybe when I'm older I will discover what
REAL gimpiness is, but I hope you haven't given up without a fight.
Hope you've explored all avenues.
Good luck with your projects however they come out.
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3084
I seem to recall that the MICRO,as designed,was the result of
someones"wish list"(Elrow Larowe?) for a really home-buildable little
sailboat that could be enjoyed by"older,less limber folk" not much
interested in a workout but just some easy times on the water in a boat
designed to forgive(within reason) moments(hours?!) of inattention.That
it be self- righting,when the odds finally caught up with you and that
should you need a little nap,after so much inertia,then a
comfortable,dry berth awaited the skipper and his crew!
Without knowing you,but detecting an aire of resignation,I can
only say with sincerity,that the MICRO may be just the ticket for
you.No atheltics are required unless you feel up to the challenge and
her motion underway is one most conducive to relaxation with minimal
grief.
In short,don't break your heart trying to change this highly
refined and most delightful little boat.Of course,if you must surrender
to a powerboat,seeking another type of recreation,I would humbly
suggest,with respect,a design somewhat along the lines of Carl
Straumbaum(Check spelling!) beautiful little REDWING design.Woodenboat
Magazine,I believe,carries the plans.
Whatever route you chose,do not despair!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,experiencing the beginings of what almost looks like a
spring thaw,on the still frozen shores of the St.Lawrence.....
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3084
> Richard and Robert,the
> Thanks for the suggestions of Michalak's AF4. It certainly looks to
> be a fine little boat, But, (isn't there always a but?) When I compare
> it to the Micro, I really like the idea of the long slit top allowing
> you to go forward with out having to climb out of the cockpit to the
> cabin top. The only other advantage it shows is the fact that it would
> plane, with a reasonably small outboard. I would loose, headroom in
> cuddy and overall in the size of the beam.least
> As a fair wood butcher, and knowing nothing about design, my first
> inclination would be to leave the sails, masts and keel in the garage
> and finish the Micro off as a motor cruiser. I know, I know, this is
> like cutting the wings off a butterfly, and I would have to change the
> name from Snow Goose to Ruptured Duck, but if this would work, at
> I could get my use out of it, and the next owner could add the sailingmotor
> options at a later date. If it worked really well, someone on the list
> would get the chance to pick up masts, sails, and keel for a song.
> Can anyone give an educated guess on how a Micro would be as a
> cruiser? It would be at least 450 pounds lighter, but all else wouldbe
> the same.only
> I certainly would appreciate any thoughts anyone can offer. The
> thing is, don't blame me for the necessity of going from sail tomotor.
> Blame mother nature and father time! Again I say, "build it now, notHello Stan,
> when it's too late to enjoy it!"
> Stan, GS or RD? In mid America where the temp F. is 62 at 0300. ;-)
I seem to recall that the MICRO,as designed,was the result of
someones"wish list"(Elrow Larowe?) for a really home-buildable little
sailboat that could be enjoyed by"older,less limber folk" not much
interested in a workout but just some easy times on the water in a boat
designed to forgive(within reason) moments(hours?!) of inattention.That
it be self- righting,when the odds finally caught up with you and that
should you need a little nap,after so much inertia,then a
comfortable,dry berth awaited the skipper and his crew!
Without knowing you,but detecting an aire of resignation,I can
only say with sincerity,that the MICRO may be just the ticket for
you.No atheltics are required unless you feel up to the challenge and
her motion underway is one most conducive to relaxation with minimal
grief.
In short,don't break your heart trying to change this highly
refined and most delightful little boat.Of course,if you must surrender
to a powerboat,seeking another type of recreation,I would humbly
suggest,with respect,a design somewhat along the lines of Carl
Straumbaum(Check spelling!) beautiful little REDWING design.Woodenboat
Magazine,I believe,carries the plans.
Whatever route you chose,do not despair!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,experiencing the beginings of what almost looks like a
spring thaw,on the still frozen shores of the St.Lawrence.....
Richard and Robert,
Thanks for the suggestions of Michalak's AF4. It certainly looks to
be a fine little boat, But, (isn't there always a but?) When I compare
it to the Micro, I really like the idea of the long slit top allowing
you to go forward with out having to climb out of the cockpit to the
cabin top. The only other advantage it shows is the fact that it would
plane, with a reasonably small outboard. I would loose, headroom in the
cuddy and overall in the size of the beam.
As a fair wood butcher, and knowing nothing about design, my first
inclination would be to leave the sails, masts and keel in the garage
and finish the Micro off as a motor cruiser. I know, I know, this is
like cutting the wings off a butterfly, and I would have to change the
name from Snow Goose to Ruptured Duck, but if this would work, at least
I could get my use out of it, and the next owner could add the sailing
options at a later date. If it worked really well, someone on the list
would get the chance to pick up masts, sails, and keel for a song.
Can anyone give an educated guess on how a Micro would be as a motor
cruiser? It would be at least 450 pounds lighter, but all else would be
the same.
I certainly would appreciate any thoughts anyone can offer. The only
thing is, don't blame me for the necessity of going from sail to motor.
Blame mother nature and father time! Again I say, "build it now, not
when it's too late to enjoy it!"
Stan, GS or RD? In mid America where the temp F. is 62 at 0300. ;-)
Thanks for the suggestions of Michalak's AF4. It certainly looks to
be a fine little boat, But, (isn't there always a but?) When I compare
it to the Micro, I really like the idea of the long slit top allowing
you to go forward with out having to climb out of the cockpit to the
cabin top. The only other advantage it shows is the fact that it would
plane, with a reasonably small outboard. I would loose, headroom in the
cuddy and overall in the size of the beam.
As a fair wood butcher, and knowing nothing about design, my first
inclination would be to leave the sails, masts and keel in the garage
and finish the Micro off as a motor cruiser. I know, I know, this is
like cutting the wings off a butterfly, and I would have to change the
name from Snow Goose to Ruptured Duck, but if this would work, at least
I could get my use out of it, and the next owner could add the sailing
options at a later date. If it worked really well, someone on the list
would get the chance to pick up masts, sails, and keel for a song.
Can anyone give an educated guess on how a Micro would be as a motor
cruiser? It would be at least 450 pounds lighter, but all else would be
the same.
I certainly would appreciate any thoughts anyone can offer. The only
thing is, don't blame me for the necessity of going from sail to motor.
Blame mother nature and father time! Again I say, "build it now, not
when it's too late to enjoy it!"
Stan, GS or RD? In mid America where the temp F. is 62 at 0300. ;-)
You know, this almost sounds like the write up Jim Michalak did for his AF4
when he did the "design on the Web" in his newsletter 2 years or so back.
Lots of good read in, I think, the 1997-98 issues as he designed and built.
It seems to me that he said a 4 horse would give about six knots and his
1956 10hp would easily plane the boat to about 12 mph. A modern 4hp should
give nice relaxed cruising.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
when he did the "design on the Web" in his newsletter 2 years or so back.
Lots of good read in, I think, the 1997-98 issues as he designed and built.
It seems to me that he said a 4 horse would give about six knots and his
1956 10hp would easily plane the boat to about 12 mph. A modern 4hp should
give nice relaxed cruising.
Robert & Amy Lundy
St. Petersburg, fla.
robert@...
amy@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Muller [mailto:smuller@...]
> Sent: February 22, 2000 5:53 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Back to bang for the buck!
>
>
> I'll start off with; today it got up to 73 deg. F. Here in mid America.
> Spring can't be too far away.
> Now for The reason for the posting; As the Snow Goose gets closer to
> being finished, I am becoming aware that age and health issues may (read
> will) keep me from getting the full enjoyment of it, and it may be time
> to change my boating plans from sailing to motor cruising. The moral to
> the story, if there is one, is DON'T put off till later, the boat you
> can be building now! Time constraints, and budget problems will always
> be there, overcome them while you still have the strength to enjoy the
> fruits of your labor. (although the building itself is most enjoyable)
> So the question; What would be the best Micro sized, (I'll be using
> the same trailer) motor boat has the most bang for the buck?
> I want it for fooling around on the river, I have a 4.5 HP outboard
> and/or a 6 HP inboard for it, it must be capable of 6 MPH, (the current
> in the river is about 4 MPH)
> and it should have the same load carrying capabilities as the Micro. A
> cuddy cabin for overnights is a must. It can be designed by anybody, as
> long as the designer's first name is Phil or Jim, and the last name is
> Bolger or Michalak. (I'm easy)
> Things have been a little slow on the list for the past few days, so
> Please have at it, with any and all suggestions.
> Thanks, Stan, SG
> PS: anybody want to trade into a micro? ;-)
>
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> I am told that the flaw in your theory is that it is very often cold andThe cold and rainy I can do without, the raw herring I could adapt
> rainy. Plus they eat raw herring.
>
> Peter
to. Part of my problem is, that I have never met a food I didn't like.
Stan
At 07:03 PM 2/22/00 -0600, you wrote:
rainy. Plus they eat raw herring.
Peter
>Nice work, Peter. I had no trouble with the large pictures at all, andI am told that the flaw in your theory is that it is very often cold and
>the boats are beautiful! Thanks for sharing, Makes me want to move to
>the Netherlands, sit by a canal and fish while watching the boats go by.
>Stan, Snow Goose
rainy. Plus they eat raw herring.
Peter
Nice work, Peter. I had no trouble with the large pictures at all, and
the boats are beautiful! Thanks for sharing, Makes me want to move to
the Netherlands, sit by a canal and fish while watching the boats go by.
Stan, Snow Goose
the boats are beautiful! Thanks for sharing, Makes me want to move to
the Netherlands, sit by a canal and fish while watching the boats go by.
Stan, Snow Goose
A week ago, I asked the best way to show the list some pictures of Dutch
leeboard that I thought you would find interesting. After digesting the
answers, I decided that it was time to bite the bullet and learn how to do
some web page stuff. And I have.
The pictures are now on view here:
http://members.xoom.com/vandep/boatphotos.htm
Each of the three photos is available in two forms: in the 50-75KB size
range, and in the 225-300KB size range. The pictures are the same, only the
size (and therefore the detail) are different.
Enjoy.
By the way, if you have any trouble linking for viewing the page, let me know.
Peter
leeboard that I thought you would find interesting. After digesting the
answers, I decided that it was time to bite the bullet and learn how to do
some web page stuff. And I have.
The pictures are now on view here:
http://members.xoom.com/vandep/boatphotos.htm
Each of the three photos is available in two forms: in the 50-75KB size
range, and in the 225-300KB size range. The pictures are the same, only the
size (and therefore the detail) are different.
Enjoy.
By the way, if you have any trouble linking for viewing the page, let me know.
Peter
Jim's AF4 seems to fit most of your requirements.
Stan Muller wrote:
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Stan Muller wrote:
>--
> I'll start off with; today it got up to 73 deg. F. Here in mid America.
> Spring can't be too far away.
> Now for The reason for the posting; As the Snow Goose gets closer to
> being finished, I am becoming aware that age and health issues may (read
> will) keep me from getting the full enjoyment of it, and it may be time
> to change my boating plans from sailing to motor cruising. The moral to
> the story, if there is one, is DON'T put off till later, the boat you
> can be building now! Time constraints, and budget problems will always
> be there, overcome them while you still have the strength to enjoy the
> fruits of your labor. (although the building itself is most enjoyable)
> So the question; What would be the best Micro sized, (I'll be using
> the same trailer) motor boat has the most bang for the buck?
> I want it for fooling around on the river, I have a 4.5 HP outboard
> and/or a 6 HP inboard for it, it must be capable of 6 MPH, (the current
> in the river is about 4 MPH)
> and it should have the same load carrying capabilities as the Micro. A
> cuddy cabin for overnights is a must. It can be designed by anybody, as
> long as the designer's first name is Phil or Jim, and the last name is
> Bolger or Michalak. (I'm easy)
> Things have been a little slow on the list for the past few days, so
> Please have at it, with any and all suggestions.
> Thanks, Stan, SG
> PS: anybody want to trade into a micro? ;-)
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I'll start off with; today it got up to 73 deg. F. Here in mid America.
Spring can't be too far away.
Now for The reason for the posting; As the Snow Goose gets closer to
being finished, I am becoming aware that age and health issues may (read
will) keep me from getting the full enjoyment of it, and it may be time
to change my boating plans from sailing to motor cruising. The moral to
the story, if there is one, is DON'T put off till later, the boat you
can be building now! Time constraints, and budget problems will always
be there, overcome them while you still have the strength to enjoy the
fruits of your labor. (although the building itself is most enjoyable)
So the question; What would be the best Micro sized, (I'll be using
the same trailer) motor boat has the most bang for the buck?
I want it for fooling around on the river, I have a 4.5 HP outboard
and/or a 6 HP inboard for it, it must be capable of 6 MPH, (the current
in the river is about 4 MPH)
and it should have the same load carrying capabilities as the Micro. A
cuddy cabin for overnights is a must. It can be designed by anybody, as
long as the designer's first name is Phil or Jim, and the last name is
Bolger or Michalak. (I'm easy)
Things have been a little slow on the list for the past few days, so
Please have at it, with any and all suggestions.
Thanks, Stan, SG
PS: anybody want to trade into a micro? ;-)
Spring can't be too far away.
Now for The reason for the posting; As the Snow Goose gets closer to
being finished, I am becoming aware that age and health issues may (read
will) keep me from getting the full enjoyment of it, and it may be time
to change my boating plans from sailing to motor cruising. The moral to
the story, if there is one, is DON'T put off till later, the boat you
can be building now! Time constraints, and budget problems will always
be there, overcome them while you still have the strength to enjoy the
fruits of your labor. (although the building itself is most enjoyable)
So the question; What would be the best Micro sized, (I'll be using
the same trailer) motor boat has the most bang for the buck?
I want it for fooling around on the river, I have a 4.5 HP outboard
and/or a 6 HP inboard for it, it must be capable of 6 MPH, (the current
in the river is about 4 MPH)
and it should have the same load carrying capabilities as the Micro. A
cuddy cabin for overnights is a must. It can be designed by anybody, as
long as the designer's first name is Phil or Jim, and the last name is
Bolger or Michalak. (I'm easy)
Things have been a little slow on the list for the past few days, so
Please have at it, with any and all suggestions.
Thanks, Stan, SG
PS: anybody want to trade into a micro? ;-)