RE: [bolger] Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
Bob Archibald, the former owner of Wizard (AS39) had a composting toilet.
Anyone know who owns this boat now? --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Spoering [mailto:spoering@...]
Does anyone have any experience with composting toilets ? I have
a fellow club member that's installed one on his 24' sailing catamaran but
won't be in the water for another 2 months.
Aloha -
Jack
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Anyone know who owns this boat now? --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: John Spoering [mailto:spoering@...]
Does anyone have any experience with composting toilets ? I have
a fellow club member that's installed one on his 24' sailing catamaran but
won't be in the water for another 2 months.
Aloha -
Jack
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I emailed Mark Van Abbema (Mark V-39 ) on how his composting toilet was
working and he gave a bad review.
Since he isn't dockside much for power, he can't afford the power to run the
heater to dry out the excess liquids, he has to have a separate holding tank
to drain the excess into and pump out anyway. He was not in favor of using
one again and I believe he's living aboard solo, it would be worse with two
or more.
Maybe for weekend use only, it would be fine.
Jeff
working and he gave a bad review.
Since he isn't dockside much for power, he can't afford the power to run the
heater to dry out the excess liquids, he has to have a separate holding tank
to drain the excess into and pump out anyway. He was not in favor of using
one again and I believe he's living aboard solo, it would be worse with two
or more.
Maybe for weekend use only, it would be fine.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Spoering" <spoering@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
> Hi All -
>
> Does anyone have any experience with composting toilets ? I have
a fellow club member that's installed one on his 24' sailing catamaran but
won't be in the water for another 2 months.
>
I've got one now, and have had two on my last boat. They work as
advertised: no roaring breeze, but they cut the odors and staleness in the
head compartment nicely.
David Romasco
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)
C&C Landfall 42 'Tryst'
Kent Island, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
I've seen them in West Marine with claims of using a NiCad battery that gets
recharged during daylight hours and runs the fan at night.
www.westmarine.com
Search for "Solar Mini Vent 1000"
This is one but other companies have different versions. I have absolutely
no experience with these so if anyone out there has one, maybe they can
gives us some insight as to if they really do work.
Jeff
advertised: no roaring breeze, but they cut the odors and staleness in the
head compartment nicely.
David Romasco
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)
C&C Landfall 42 'Tryst'
Kent Island, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:boatbuilding@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
I've seen them in West Marine with claims of using a NiCad battery that gets
recharged during daylight hours and runs the fan at night.
www.westmarine.com
Search for "Solar Mini Vent 1000"
This is one but other companies have different versions. I have absolutely
no experience with these so if anyone out there has one, maybe they can
gives us some insight as to if they really do work.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
> > They also had a 24/7
> > fan running powered by solar cell
> > which can be bought at any marine store.
>
> For use in the arctic summer?
>
> Peter
>
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I've seen them in West Marine with claims of using a NiCad battery that gets
recharged during daylight hours and runs the fan at night.
www.westmarine.com
Search for "Solar Mini Vent 1000"
This is one but other companies have different versions. I have absolutely
no experience with these so if anyone out there has one, maybe they can
gives us some insight as to if they really do work.
Jeff
recharged during daylight hours and runs the fan at night.
www.westmarine.com
Search for "Solar Mini Vent 1000"
This is one but other companies have different versions. I have absolutely
no experience with these so if anyone out there has one, maybe they can
gives us some insight as to if they really do work.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Sitka Cruiser toilet room.
> > They also had a 24/7
> > fan running powered by solar cell
> > which can be bought at any marine store.
>
> For use in the arctic summer?
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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--- Frank Bales <fbales@...> wrote:
down in the tank through the seat hole
and suck it out!
Though I imagine you could rig up another
way to suck it out, if you wanted.
> Thanks, Bruce, but how do you pump them out?I think you simply stick the 'slurper'
down in the tank through the seat hole
and suck it out!
Though I imagine you could rig up another
way to suck it out, if you wanted.
Hi All -
Does anyone have any experience with composting toilets ? I have a fellow club member that's installed one on his 24' sailing catamaran but won't be in the water for another 2 months.
Aloha - Jack
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Does anyone have any experience with composting toilets ? I have a fellow club member that's installed one on his 24' sailing catamaran but won't be in the water for another 2 months.
Aloha - Jack
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> They also had a 24/7For use in the arctic summer?
> fan running powered by solar cell
> which can be bought at any marine store.
Peter
On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 02:18 PM, Peter Lenihan wrote:
Sitka toilet door is not all that that original. I was on an old
house boat that used the same principle. Having said that
I believe that large portions of inspiration are observation
and application. Here Bolger shines. Whether he adapts
an existing concept or "invents" something totally new and
amazing his designs work.
hal
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:I am not trying to take anything away from Bolger here but the
>>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SitkaToilet.gif
>>
>> I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
>> swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
>> Crusier design.
>
> I am forever amazed at the absolutley brilliant and in
> retrospect,painfully obvious uses of space He so masterfully pulls
> out of his hat.It's enough to make one fall to ones knees weeping"I
> am not worthy!"..............
Sitka toilet door is not all that that original. I was on an old
house boat that used the same principle. Having said that
I believe that large portions of inspiration are observation
and application. Here Bolger shines. Whether he adapts
an existing concept or "invents" something totally new and
amazing his designs work.
hal
> --- Frank Bales <fbales@...> wrote:The Wyo has the "Outhouse" head setup and I'm thinking of trying it.
> > I was wondering about the "outhouse"
> > style heads in some
> > Bolger boats. Anyone have one?
>
Somewhere, probably on this group, someone installed one with the gasketed
seat and had a sliding door that you moved out of the way to use the head
eliminating the visual effects of the outhouse design. They also had a 24/7
fan running powered by solar cell which can be bought at any marine store.
This way the head had constant air flow to eliminate odors and to get oxygen
to the head which is the secret to no smell. Oh, and they also had the tank
well baffled to stop any unpleasant slopping around when in use.
This is the way I would probably go if I use that design. Simple, large
storage, and no plumbing.
Jeff
Thanks, Bruce, but how do you pump them out? --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Well..um...we use them at work
all the time, and they suck
if too many people use 'em
but if only one or two use
them, they are just fine.
The PCB&F type have gasketed
lids, and a 12V vent fan that is
actuated when the lid is opened.
My guess is that they are very
handy, especially considering
the total lack of plumbing
and plumbing trouble and $$$.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
Well..um...we use them at work
all the time, and they suck
if too many people use 'em
but if only one or two use
them, they are just fine.
The PCB&F type have gasketed
lids, and a 12V vent fan that is
actuated when the lid is opened.
My guess is that they are very
handy, especially considering
the total lack of plumbing
and plumbing trouble and $$$.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Frank Bales <fbales@...> wrote:
all the time, and they suck
if too many people use 'em
but if only one or two use
them, they are just fine.
The PCB&F type have gasketed
lids, and a 12V vent fan that is
actuated when the lid is opened.
My guess is that they are very
handy, especially considering
the total lack of plumbing
and plumbing trouble and $$$.
> I was wondering about the "outhouse"Well..um...we use them at work
> style heads in some
> Bolger boats. Anyone have one?
all the time, and they suck
if too many people use 'em
but if only one or two use
them, they are just fine.
The PCB&F type have gasketed
lids, and a 12V vent fan that is
actuated when the lid is opened.
My guess is that they are very
handy, especially considering
the total lack of plumbing
and plumbing trouble and $$$.
Sounds clever. I was wondering about the "outhouse" style heads in some
Bolger boats. Anyone have one?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SitkaToilet.gif
I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
Crusier design. The door, swung counter-
clockwise, closes off the toilet from the
cabin and creates a 'wet room' space. Swing
it clockwise, and you have a large toilet room.
Most of the time, the door is swung counter-
clockwise, closing off the toilet [and smell]
from the cabin, without wasting floor space.
I don't recall this feature on any of their
othter boats, but it could be adapted to many,
including (for instance) the Champlain. With
an increase in usable floor space in the cabin.
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Bolger boats. Anyone have one?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SitkaToilet.gif
I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
Crusier design. The door, swung counter-
clockwise, closes off the toilet from the
cabin and creates a 'wet room' space. Swing
it clockwise, and you have a large toilet room.
Most of the time, the door is swung counter-
clockwise, closing off the toilet [and smell]
from the cabin, without wasting floor space.
I don't recall this feature on any of their
othter boats, but it could be adapted to many,
including (for instance) the Champlain. With
an increase in usable floor space in the cabin.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
can deal in square centremetres,not feet,like so many of the great
unwashed :-)I am forever amazed at the absolutley brilliant and in
retrospect,painfully obvious uses of space He so masterfully pulls
out of his hat.It's enough to make one fall to ones knees weeping"I
am not worthy!"..............
Peter Lenihan
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SitkaToilet.gifYup! We're dealing with a master ergonomist here Bruce,and one who
>
> I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
> swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
> Crusier design.
can deal in square centremetres,not feet,like so many of the great
unwashed :-)I am forever amazed at the absolutley brilliant and in
retrospect,painfully obvious uses of space He so masterfully pulls
out of his hat.It's enough to make one fall to ones knees weeping"I
am not worthy!"..............
Peter Lenihan
--- "Bruce C. Anderson" wrote:
but, it *is* cheap [nearly disposable]
...my costs total about $45...
and looks fun when you don't mind
getting wet.
See photo's of Mathew Longs Yellow Leaf:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/YL.jpg
> freeboard?It doesn't have a lot of freeboard
but, it *is* cheap [nearly disposable]
...my costs total about $45...
and looks fun when you don't mind
getting wet.
See photo's of Mathew Longs Yellow Leaf:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/YL.jpg
Howdy Bruce
than a regular canoe?
Is the 3' beam at the bottom, or at the gunnels?
If it's at the bottom, how does it look like you have adequate
freeboard? I know it's a silly question, but the Pirogue that I'm
designing has a 2" beam at the bottom and so a little less than 1' of
freeboard. Seems that the Yellow Leaf would have less freeboard than
that.
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
> -----Original Message-----Dohhhh That explains it. :)
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Yellow Leaf, 44 pounds
>
>
> silica and filled with phenolic
> microspheres [brown in color]
> The Bolger book _Small Boats_ has aCool, I'll order it from my Library
> chapter on Yellow Leaf, including
> 'the plans' [you need a magnifying glass].
> > but notice that the Yellow LeafI should have been more specific. Do you think it will be more tender
> > has a 3' beam. Is it tender?
>
> Probably, I haven't 'launched' yet!
than a regular canoe?
Is the 3' beam at the bottom, or at the gunnels?
If it's at the bottom, how does it look like you have adequate
freeboard? I know it's a silly question, but the Pirogue that I'm
designing has a 2" beam at the bottom and so a little less than 1' of
freeboard. Seems that the Yellow Leaf would have less freeboard than
that.
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/SitkaToilet.gif
I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
Crusier design. The door, swung counter-
clockwise, closes off the toilet from the
cabin and creates a 'wet room' space. Swing
it clockwise, and you have a large toilet room.
Most of the time, the door is swung counter-
clockwise, closing off the toilet [and smell]
from the cabin, without wasting floor space.
I don't recall this feature on any of their
othter boats, but it could be adapted to many,
including (for instance) the Champlain. With
an increase in usable floor space in the cabin.
I just notice how clever PCB/SA? was with the
swing of the toilet room door in their Sitka
Crusier design. The door, swung counter-
clockwise, closes off the toilet from the
cabin and creates a 'wet room' space. Swing
it clockwise, and you have a large toilet room.
Most of the time, the door is swung counter-
clockwise, closing off the toilet [and smell]
from the cabin, without wasting floor space.
I don't recall this feature on any of their
othter boats, but it could be adapted to many,
including (for instance) the Champlain. With
an increase in usable floor space in the cabin.
--- "Bruce C. Anderson" :
Raka epoxy thickened with fumed
silica and filled with phenolic
microspheres [brown in color]
on the seams. Also, I used the
same stuff on 'a cove' for
the inside of the chine seams.
chapter on Yellow Leaf, including
'the plans' [you need a magnifying glass].
I ran out of brown oil paint, and will
go to the store today. Hope to
finish it this evening.
I expect to not do any standing-up
in it, and will padle from a seated
position.
> I don't recognize the materialI used 2" fiberglass tape, with
> you used for the seams.
Raka epoxy thickened with fumed
silica and filled with phenolic
microspheres [brown in color]
on the seams. Also, I used the
same stuff on 'a cove' for
the inside of the chine seams.
> Are there plans available for this boat?The Bolger book _Small Boats_ has a
chapter on Yellow Leaf, including
'the plans' [you need a magnifying glass].
> but notice that the Yellow LeafProbably, I haven't 'launched' yet!
> has a 3' beam. Is it tender?
I ran out of brown oil paint, and will
go to the store today. Hope to
finish it this evening.
I expect to not do any standing-up
in it, and will padle from a seated
position.
Howdy
recognize the material you used for the seams.
Are there plans available for this boat?
I'm thinking of building a Luan, PL premium, Latex House Paint Pirogue,
and so your posting is fortuitous. I've heard that most pirogues are
tender, but notice that the Yellow Leaf has a 3' beam. Is it tender?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
> -----Original Message-----Did you use fiberglass to put your Yellow Leaf together? I don't
> Subject: [bolger] Yellow Leaf, 44 pounds
>
recognize the material you used for the seams.
Are there plans available for this boat?
I'm thinking of building a Luan, PL premium, Latex House Paint Pirogue,
and so your posting is fortuitous. I've heard that most pirogues are
tender, but notice that the Yellow Leaf has a 3' beam. Is it tender?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Being curious to aquire a lighter
weight boat for my cartop, I whipped
out a Yellow Leaf this weekend, she
weighs only 44 pounds.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/YellowLeaf/
weight boat for my cartop, I whipped
out a Yellow Leaf this weekend, she
weighs only 44 pounds.
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/YellowLeaf/