[bolger] Re: Preservatives - Rot

Clyde:
 
Actually, that is a good idea.  Chine logs, whether interior or exterior are good candidates for rot.  Leaving them out entirely cheats them of the opportunity.  That said, one needs to be careful about modifying designs.  Some stiffness, and strength may be lost in substituting S&G seams for chine logs.

Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
 
 
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Subject:[bolger] Re: Preservatives - Rot

Why not use larger epoxy fillets and 3" glass tape and skip the wood framing. I think many of these designs predate epoxy. Plans for my Lily don't show and chine logs or framing. Clyde Wisner

Chuck Leinweber wrote:

Let Tim's experience serve as a warning to all you boatbuilders:  stay away
from whitewood!  use Douglas Fir or Cedar.  If you must use whitewood, or a
soft hardwood like popular or birch, treat first then build.

Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com

----- Original Message -----
From: T Webber <tbertw@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Preservatives - Rot

> List,
>
> My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
> framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
> if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
> preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific
questions:
>
> 1. Is it effective in preventing rot?
>
> 2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?
>
> 3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would
avoid?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tim - the one near Houston
>
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Why not use larger epoxy fillets and 3" glass tape and skip the wood framing. I think many of these designs predate epoxy. Plans for my Lily don't show and chine logs or framing. Clyde Wisner

Chuck Leinweber wrote:

Let Tim's experience serve as a warning to all you boatbuilders:  stay away
from whitewood!  use Douglas Fir or Cedar.  If you must use whitewood, or a
soft hardwood like popular or birch, treat first then build.

Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com

----- Original Message -----
From: T Webber <tbertw@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Preservatives - Rot

> List,
>
> My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
> framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
> if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
> preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific
questions:
>
> 1. Is it effective in preventing rot?
>
> 2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?
>
> 3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would
avoid?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tim - the one near Houston
>
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> I use presure treated framing lumber in all the high rot areas, chine
> logs, bulkhead framing, etc. It's a soft pine, greenish tint, epoxy
> sticks very well to it.

The Wood Technology column in WoodenBoat has covered wood treatments
very thoroughly over the years. It seems to me that he had a multipart
summary sometime in the last year or so. I have never seen these
columns or the advice given there published in a collected form, but it
would be a real service to have it all in one place. Perhaps someone
knows where to find it.

The topics covered include choice of species, treatments done by the
builder (like antifreeze, Cuprinol), and treatments done by the
supplier (like the green tinted, pressure treated stuff). He discusses
the effectiveness, whether the working properties are affected, hazards
to the boat builder, and the effect on surface coatings.

Current issue discusses 'Boron and other preservatives' according to
the web site.

If I haven't mentioned the author's name, it's because I can't come up
with a spelling that seems close enough to bother with. Couldn't find
it on the web site, interestingly.

Peter
Tim --

Beuhler is a big anti-rot guy (he's from the soggy PNW) Pick up his
backyard boat building book for everything you don't need to know
about preventing rot.


>List,
>
>My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
>framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
>if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
>preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific questions:
>
>1. Is it effective in preventing rot?
>
>2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?
>
>3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would avoid?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tim - the one near Houston
>
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In a message dated 2/23/00 6:52:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,tbertw@...
writes:

<< List,

My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific questions:

1. Is it effective in preventing rot?

2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?

3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would avoid?

Thanks in advance,
Tim - the one near Houston
>>
Tim,

If no one else has told you yet, Dave Carnell's web site has a great article
on rot and what to do. I think he is a retired chemist and seems to have a
great remedy for rot.

http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/

Let us know how it works.

Chuck C.
Let Tim's experience serve as a warning to all you boatbuilders: stay away
from whitewood! use Douglas Fir or Cedar. If you must use whitewood, or a
soft hardwood like popular or birch, treat first then build.

Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com


----- Original Message -----
From: T Webber <tbertw@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: [bolger] Preservatives - Rot


> List,
>
> My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
> framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
> if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
> preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific
questions:
>
> 1. Is it effective in preventing rot?
>
> 2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?
>
> 3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would
avoid?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tim - the one near Houston
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
I use presure treated framing lumber in all the high rot areas, chine
logs, bulkhead framing, etc. It's a soft pine, greenish tint, epoxy
sticks very well to it.

I coat the plywood in the high rot areas with epoxy. Examples being the
anchor well, and the deck in low spots.

T Webber wrote:
>
> List,
>
> My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
> framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
> if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
> preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific questions:
>
> 1. Is it effective in preventing rot?
>
> 2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?
>
> 3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would avoid?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tim - the one near Houston
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In a message dated 00-02-23 21:52:09 EST, you write:

<<
My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
framing. I will be starting another boat in >>

There is this stuff called CPES (Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer) that has
acheived much enthusiastic support from the boatbuilders on the WoodenBoat
Magazine forum
(http://media4.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro). It is
apparently a diluted epoxy that in some cases can be used to help with rot.
Other than seeing very vocal support, I don't know a lot about it, but the
BB listed above can probably provide everything you would want to know.
Regards, Warren
Meyer wrote;
(snip) which advocates using antifreeze as a rot
stopper.

I did this on some soft wood (mulberry) fence posts two years ago to
stop termites, and they are as good as the day I put them in. The
untreated ones from the previous year grew fungi, and rotted off at the
dirt line within a year. I just mixed the antifreeze 1 to 1 with water,
set the bottom of the post in the pail and let it sit overnight.
for what it's worth, Stan, SG
Tim;
I guess that you will get lots of pointers to Dave Carnell's site at
http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell. He has an extremely interesting article
called "Chemotherapy for Rot" which advocates using antifreeze as a rot
stopper.
--
Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: T Webber [mailto:tbertw@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:33 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Preservatives - Rot


List,

My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific questions:

1. Is it effective in preventing rot?

2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?

3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would
avoid?

Thanks in advance,
Tim - the one near Houston

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List,

My JuneBug has developed some rot in the whitewood keelsons and transome
framing. I will be starting another boat in a few days and I was wondering
if there is anything available from the lumber yard that is a rot
preventative or wood preservative? I gues I have 3 or 4 specific questions:

1. Is it effective in preventing rot?

2. What impact does it have on glue, paint, epoxy, etc?

3. Does anyone have a favorite brand or a brand / type that they would avoid?

Thanks in advance,
Tim - the one near Houston