Re: Hello to all.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@l...> wrote:
Air Station) and spent some time on the beach at Sattahip. We would
meet the fishing trawlers when they beached them and laid their
catch out on the beach for sale. I remember buying Red Snapper still
alive to grill. Charcoal was the main fuel over there -made in the
forest by burning wood stacked tightly to exclude air from the
inner layers. A lot of the boat freight that I saw was big burlap
bags of wood charcoal stacked high on every square foot of space
being delivered to all the kitchens in Bangkok. They did not worry
with load ratings.
Sail boats were available to rent at Sattahip. The water was
polluted near shore in some places. Lots of European tourists.
Charles
> Charles I saw those on my way from Sattahip to Bangkok 35 yearsago (1968),
> and thought about mentioning it--glad you did. --FrankBI was TDY (Young Tiger - KC135 tankers) at Utapao (Royal Thai Naval
Air Station) and spent some time on the beach at Sattahip. We would
meet the fishing trawlers when they beached them and laid their
catch out on the beach for sale. I remember buying Red Snapper still
alive to grill. Charcoal was the main fuel over there -made in the
forest by burning wood stacked tightly to exclude air from the
inner layers. A lot of the boat freight that I saw was big burlap
bags of wood charcoal stacked high on every square foot of space
being delivered to all the kitchens in Bangkok. They did not worry
with load ratings.
Sail boats were available to rent at Sattahip. The water was
polluted near shore in some places. Lots of European tourists.
Charles
One of the troops I served with told of being in Korea, guarding a supply
dump. They heard a noise and when they investigated, found one of those
"small men" chogying off with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline on his back.
That's over 300 lbs! Of course he had the ubiquitous head strap, but still
...
They just turned him around and had him carry it back to the pile.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
dump. They heard a noise and when they investigated, found one of those
"small men" chogying off with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline on his back.
That's over 300 lbs! Of course he had the ubiquitous head strap, but still
...
They just turned him around and had him carry it back to the pile.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "chodges31711" <chodges@...>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > Kinda noisy and laborious though.
>
> When I was in Bangkok, 30 years ago, I saw 4 cyl. car engines
> mounted (balanced?) on a pedestal under the oilpan with a long
> tiller out ... <snip>
> They were everywhere and did not look hard to handle for one> small man.
>
> Charles
Charles I saw those on my way from Sattahip to Bangkok 35 years ago (1968),
and thought about mentioning it--glad you did. --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: chodges31711 [mailto:chodges@...]
When I was in Bangkok, 30 years ago, I saw 4 cyl. car engines mounted
(balanced?) on a pedestal under the oilpan with a long tiller out
front and the prop on a straight shaft 10+ feet behind. A simple
truss bolted to the engine at the bell housing and served as a shaft
bearing support and skeg mount at the prop. Cooling water came from
the canal. They pushed long (50 feet+)narrow boats at pretty high
speeds. Some were passenger and some freight. I don't remember them
as noisy, just fast with big rooster tails of water. They were
everywhere and did not look hard to handle for one small man. When
you saw the way they drive cars in traffic, you knew why there were
plenty of engines available.
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and thought about mentioning it--glad you did. --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: chodges31711 [mailto:chodges@...]
When I was in Bangkok, 30 years ago, I saw 4 cyl. car engines mounted
(balanced?) on a pedestal under the oilpan with a long tiller out
front and the prop on a straight shaft 10+ feet behind. A simple
truss bolted to the engine at the bell housing and served as a shaft
bearing support and skeg mount at the prop. Cooling water came from
the canal. They pushed long (50 feet+)narrow boats at pretty high
speeds. Some were passenger and some freight. I don't remember them
as noisy, just fast with big rooster tails of water. They were
everywhere and did not look hard to handle for one small man. When
you saw the way they drive cars in traffic, you knew why there were
plenty of engines available.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
(balanced?) on a pedestal under the oilpan with a long tiller out
front and the prop on a straight shaft 10+ feet behind. A simple
truss bolted to the engine at the bell housing and served as a shaft
bearing support and skeg mount at the prop. Cooling water came from
the canal. They pushed long (50 feet+)narrow boats at pretty high
speeds. Some were passenger and some freight. I don't remember them
as noisy, just fast with big rooster tails of water. They were
everywhere and did not look hard to handle for one small man. When
you saw the way they drive cars in traffic, you knew why there were
plenty of engines available.
Charles
> Since this is a "free thinking" group, maybe you could ignore OSHAand adopt
> a scheme I've seen in pictures of Asiatic ports.and
>
> You scrounge up a one lung air cooled engine with attached gas tank
> connect it to a propeller with a ten or twelve foot rigid shaft.Handles on
> the motor let you direct the thrust and adjust the depth. An "oarlock"
> probably would help for the longer runs.When I was in Bangkok, 30 years ago, I saw 4 cyl. car engines mounted
>
> Kinda noisy and laborious though.
(balanced?) on a pedestal under the oilpan with a long tiller out
front and the prop on a straight shaft 10+ feet behind. A simple
truss bolted to the engine at the bell housing and served as a shaft
bearing support and skeg mount at the prop. Cooling water came from
the canal. They pushed long (50 feet+)narrow boats at pretty high
speeds. Some were passenger and some freight. I don't remember them
as noisy, just fast with big rooster tails of water. They were
everywhere and did not look hard to handle for one small man. When
you saw the way they drive cars in traffic, you knew why there were
plenty of engines available.
Charles
Or, you can make one. Not that complicated.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:39 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Hello to all.
> Roger,
>
> Actually you can buy these in the US, though some people would suggest
> South Louisiana doesn't really count. They are called "Go Devil" and
> I've ridden with one. Very noisy, but we rode in 0" of water (fluffy
> mud).
>
>http://www.go-devil.com/
>
> Frank
> Landenberg, PA
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > Since this is a "free thinking" group, maybe you could ignore OSHA
> and adopt
> > a scheme I've seen in pictures of Asiatic ports.
> >
> > You scrounge up a one lung air cooled engine with attached gas tank and
> > connect it to a propeller with a ten or twelve foot rigid shaft.
> Handles on
> > the motor let you direct the thrust and adjust the depth. An "oar lock"
> > probably would help for the longer runs.
> >
> > Kinda noisy and laborious though.
>
>
>
>
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>I don't recall seeing a sailboat with an inboard engine as small asI recall seeing a small boat - skiff? - at the Woodenboat show or the
>15'. About 20 years ago, there was a 19' Drascombe with a tiny diesel
>engine - maybe it was called "drifer?". I don't know that much about
>small motor boats but I'll contribute my opinions anyway - I *think*
>that unless you are talking about a tunnel hull, inboards require a
>big skeg to hold the shaft log and protect the propeller. This means
>it will always be deeper than a comparable outboard.
Mid Atlantic Small Boat Fest a few years back. It was a small Honda
engine adapted for inboard use, and very quiet.
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Roger,
Actually you can buy these in the US, though some people would suggest
South Louisiana doesn't really count. They are called "Go Devil" and
I've ridden with one. Very noisy, but we rode in 0" of water (fluffy
mud).
http://www.go-devil.com/
Frank
Landenberg, PA
Actually you can buy these in the US, though some people would suggest
South Louisiana doesn't really count. They are called "Go Devil" and
I've ridden with one. Very noisy, but we rode in 0" of water (fluffy
mud).
http://www.go-devil.com/
Frank
Landenberg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> Since this is a "free thinking" group, maybe you could ignore OSHA
and adopt
> a scheme I've seen in pictures of Asiatic ports.
>
> You scrounge up a one lung air cooled engine with attached gas tank and
> connect it to a propeller with a ten or twelve foot rigid shaft.
Handles on
> the motor let you direct the thrust and adjust the depth. An "oar lock"
> probably would help for the longer runs.
>
> Kinda noisy and laborious though.
Since this is a "free thinking" group, maybe you could ignore OSHA and adopt
a scheme I've seen in pictures of Asiatic ports.
You scrounge up a one lung air cooled engine with attached gas tank and
connect it to a propeller with a ten or twelve foot rigid shaft. Handles on
the motor let you direct the thrust and adjust the depth. An "oar lock"
probably would help for the longer runs.
Kinda noisy and laborious though.
In 1960, my father, who had never sailed in his life, attended the Chicago
Boat Show and bought a Klepper Master. He liked the idea that the whole
thing could be broken down into a few tote bags and thrown in the trunk of
the car. Unfortunately, the Master was designed to be both a motor boat and
a sail boat. Tiny jib headed main and jib and broad flat run aft to support
the weight of the outboard, it left a huge wake while sailing very slowly.
When he finally bought a small motor it became a bit more useful. We did
have fun with it, but it would more accurately be described as a beach toy.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
a scheme I've seen in pictures of Asiatic ports.
You scrounge up a one lung air cooled engine with attached gas tank and
connect it to a propeller with a ten or twelve foot rigid shaft. Handles on
the motor let you direct the thrust and adjust the depth. An "oar lock"
probably would help for the longer runs.
Kinda noisy and laborious though.
In 1960, my father, who had never sailed in his life, attended the Chicago
Boat Show and bought a Klepper Master. He liked the idea that the whole
thing could be broken down into a few tote bags and thrown in the trunk of
the car. Unfortunately, the Master was designed to be both a motor boat and
a sail boat. Tiny jib headed main and jib and broad flat run aft to support
the weight of the outboard, it left a huge wake while sailing very slowly.
When he finally bought a small motor it became a bit more useful. We did
have fun with it, but it would more accurately be described as a beach toy.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> > small motor boats but I'll contribute my opinions anyway - I *think*
> > that unless you are talking about a tunnel hull, inboards require a
> > big skeg to hold the shaft log and protect the propeller. This means
> > it will always be deeper than a comparable outboard.
>
> I meant to say: "...always be deeper than a comparable outboard
> powered boat when the motor is up - for example on the beach"
>
> Also you can tilt up an outboard motor when powering through shallows.
> Can't do that with an inboard.
Hello Stephan, My wife grew up in PI @Faith Academy, Makati. Anyhow, I may be kicked off the site for saying this but Tracey O'brien , a designer featured in Ken Hankensons Plans manual, designs several boats used a good bit in PI. The one Boat that fits your criteria is his "9.9 Transport". This is an oversize 10' multi-chine tender that is very stable, ultimately speaking. You can only get the plans from Ken, i think. You would enjoy talking to Tracey at his home in Washington state. Find his Website and call him.
Sincerely,
unanimus, or is it anonymous
Stephan Hunter Henshall <steve_henshall@...> wrote:
HI!
Im new to the group and have been lurking for a few weeks. Just
wanted to say hello, introduce myself, and ask a question.
I have some beach property on an island here in the Philippines and
want to build a skiff for fitting with an inboard engine around 5hp
and also for sailing. Waters are fairly calm with steady winds most
of the time but between the islands it can build up a pretty choppy
sea when the wind pipes up. I'm thinking of about 15 or 16 LOA and
want something that will handle the chop while still being
reasonably fast under sail and power. This is shoal area with reefs
so I need a very shallow displacement. The shallower the better.
The bottom at my beach is eel grass and sand with a few rocks. High
tide is about 4 feet and low tide is is about 5 inches.
Construction should be ply over frame with epoxy and copper nails
for fastening. Flotation fore and aft with enough room for 3
adults. I have looked at the Featherwind and it seems easy enough
for my carpentry skills but would be interested in anyone's opinion
as to a suitable boat that you might recommend.
Thanks in advance for any comments you might have for this Anglo-
American Expat who has been out of the water for too long. Great
group and very helpful. Of the groups I belong to re. boating this
one is fast becoming my favorite.
Regards and Mabuhay to all,
Steve Henshall
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Sincerely,
unanimus, or is it anonymous
Stephan Hunter Henshall <steve_henshall@...> wrote:
HI!
Im new to the group and have been lurking for a few weeks. Just
wanted to say hello, introduce myself, and ask a question.
I have some beach property on an island here in the Philippines and
want to build a skiff for fitting with an inboard engine around 5hp
and also for sailing. Waters are fairly calm with steady winds most
of the time but between the islands it can build up a pretty choppy
sea when the wind pipes up. I'm thinking of about 15 or 16 LOA and
want something that will handle the chop while still being
reasonably fast under sail and power. This is shoal area with reefs
so I need a very shallow displacement. The shallower the better.
The bottom at my beach is eel grass and sand with a few rocks. High
tide is about 4 feet and low tide is is about 5 inches.
Construction should be ply over frame with epoxy and copper nails
for fastening. Flotation fore and aft with enough room for 3
adults. I have looked at the Featherwind and it seems easy enough
for my carpentry skills but would be interested in anyone's opinion
as to a suitable boat that you might recommend.
Thanks in advance for any comments you might have for this Anglo-
American Expat who has been out of the water for too long. Great
group and very helpful. Of the groups I belong to re. boating this
one is fast becoming my favorite.
Regards and Mabuhay to all,
Steve Henshall
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
powered boat when the motor is up - for example on the beach"
Also you can tilt up an outboard motor when powering through shallows.
Can't do that with an inboard.
> small motor boats but I'll contribute my opinions anyway - I *think*I meant to say: "...always be deeper than a comparable outboard
> that unless you are talking about a tunnel hull, inboards require a
> big skeg to hold the shaft log and protect the propeller. This means
> it will always be deeper than a comparable outboard.
powered boat when the motor is up - for example on the beach"
Also you can tilt up an outboard motor when powering through shallows.
Can't do that with an inboard.
Hi Stephan,
welcome to the group!
I don't recall seeing a sailboat with an inboard engine as small as
15'. About 20 years ago, there was a 19' Drascombe with a tiny diesel
engine - maybe it was called "drifer?". I don't know that much about
small motor boats but I'll contribute my opinions anyway - I *think*
that unless you are talking about a tunnel hull, inboards require a
big skeg to hold the shaft log and protect the propeller. This means
it will always be deeper than a comparable outboard.
Also, it makes a big difference whether you are looking for a shallow
planning skiff that sails well or a good shallow, seaworthy small
sailboat that can be powered with an auxilliary motor. There are
examples of the latter, but I think you'd have trouble finding the
latter. I've read designers comments on the tradeoffs. It goes
something like: "...you can have a good sailboat or a good motorboat,
but not both..."
A good way to visualize the tradeoffs is to compare the rowing version
of Michalak's QT skiff with the outboard motor version.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/qt_skiff/index.htm
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Hunter Henshall"
<steve_henshall@y...> wrote:
welcome to the group!
I don't recall seeing a sailboat with an inboard engine as small as
15'. About 20 years ago, there was a 19' Drascombe with a tiny diesel
engine - maybe it was called "drifer?". I don't know that much about
small motor boats but I'll contribute my opinions anyway - I *think*
that unless you are talking about a tunnel hull, inboards require a
big skeg to hold the shaft log and protect the propeller. This means
it will always be deeper than a comparable outboard.
Also, it makes a big difference whether you are looking for a shallow
planning skiff that sails well or a good shallow, seaworthy small
sailboat that can be powered with an auxilliary motor. There are
examples of the latter, but I think you'd have trouble finding the
latter. I've read designers comments on the tradeoffs. It goes
something like: "...you can have a good sailboat or a good motorboat,
but not both..."
A good way to visualize the tradeoffs is to compare the rowing version
of Michalak's QT skiff with the outboard motor version.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/qt_skiff/index.htm
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Hunter Henshall"
<steve_henshall@y...> wrote:
> HI!most
>
> Im new to the group and have been lurking for a few weeks. Just
> wanted to say hello, introduce myself, and ask a question.
>
> I have some beach property on an island here in the Philippines and
> want to build a skiff for fitting with an inboard engine around 5hp
> and also for sailing. Waters are fairly calm with steady winds
> of the time but between the islands it can build up a pretty choppyreefs
> sea when the wind pipes up. I'm thinking of about 15 or 16 LOA and
> want something that will handle the chop while still being
> reasonably fast under sail and power. This is shoal area with
> so I need a very shallow displacement. The shallower the better.High
> The bottom at my beach is eel grass and sand with a few rocks.
> tide is about 4 feet and low tide is is about 5 inches.opinion
>
> Construction should be ply over frame with epoxy and copper nails
> for fastening. Flotation fore and aft with enough room for 3
> adults. I have looked at the Featherwind and it seems easy enough
> for my carpentry skills but would be interested in anyone's
> as to a suitable boat that you might recommend.
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments you might have for this Anglo-
> American Expat who has been out of the water for too long. Great
> group and very helpful. Of the groups I belong to re. boating this
> one is fast becoming my favorite.
>
> Regards and Mabuhay to all,
> Steve Henshall
HI!
Im new to the group and have been lurking for a few weeks. Just
wanted to say hello, introduce myself, and ask a question.
I have some beach property on an island here in the Philippines and
want to build a skiff for fitting with an inboard engine around 5hp
and also for sailing. Waters are fairly calm with steady winds most
of the time but between the islands it can build up a pretty choppy
sea when the wind pipes up. I'm thinking of about 15 or 16 LOA and
want something that will handle the chop while still being
reasonably fast under sail and power. This is shoal area with reefs
so I need a very shallow displacement. The shallower the better.
The bottom at my beach is eel grass and sand with a few rocks. High
tide is about 4 feet and low tide is is about 5 inches.
Construction should be ply over frame with epoxy and copper nails
for fastening. Flotation fore and aft with enough room for 3
adults. I have looked at the Featherwind and it seems easy enough
for my carpentry skills but would be interested in anyone's opinion
as to a suitable boat that you might recommend.
Thanks in advance for any comments you might have for this Anglo-
American Expat who has been out of the water for too long. Great
group and very helpful. Of the groups I belong to re. boating this
one is fast becoming my favorite.
Regards and Mabuhay to all,
Steve Henshall
Im new to the group and have been lurking for a few weeks. Just
wanted to say hello, introduce myself, and ask a question.
I have some beach property on an island here in the Philippines and
want to build a skiff for fitting with an inboard engine around 5hp
and also for sailing. Waters are fairly calm with steady winds most
of the time but between the islands it can build up a pretty choppy
sea when the wind pipes up. I'm thinking of about 15 or 16 LOA and
want something that will handle the chop while still being
reasonably fast under sail and power. This is shoal area with reefs
so I need a very shallow displacement. The shallower the better.
The bottom at my beach is eel grass and sand with a few rocks. High
tide is about 4 feet and low tide is is about 5 inches.
Construction should be ply over frame with epoxy and copper nails
for fastening. Flotation fore and aft with enough room for 3
adults. I have looked at the Featherwind and it seems easy enough
for my carpentry skills but would be interested in anyone's opinion
as to a suitable boat that you might recommend.
Thanks in advance for any comments you might have for this Anglo-
American Expat who has been out of the water for too long. Great
group and very helpful. Of the groups I belong to re. boating this
one is fast becoming my favorite.
Regards and Mabuhay to all,
Steve Henshall