Re: [bolger] FastBrick?
> Imagine the standard Brick...and with sheets of foam
> shape but deeper, with[snip]
flotation/insulation laminated
to the inside of the bottom
of the boat, I am curious,
is this simply adhered? Or,
is it sandwiched with a
inner skin of plywood?
The whole boat seems too heavy
to use 'manhandled', and requires
the use of davats, which on Yonder
are detailed cleverly.
Also, the size of FastBrick is
calculated to nestle with a
slightly narrowed Tortoise.
Is this similar to the "poor mans whaler" in one of Paysons books?
Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
s_paskey wrote:
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey
Yes that sounds quite interesting,especially stretched out to 12'.
Interested to see scanned article when you "clear the decks".
Is it similar to the tender shown in the drawings of "Puffer" in the files section at the Bolger group.This one seems to be about 14' long by 5-6' beam. Just a square crate with a box cutwater,very uncompromising in looks,but would most likely astound the critics by her performance and abilities!!!
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Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
s_paskey wrote:
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey
Yes that sounds quite interesting,especially stretched out to 12'.
Interested to see scanned article when you "clear the decks".
Is it similar to the tender shown in the drawings of "Puffer" in the files section at the Bolger group.This one seems to be about 14' long by 5-6' beam. Just a square crate with a box cutwater,very uncompromising in looks,but would most likely astound the critics by her performance and abilities!!!
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania,Australia
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I think my brain is trying to tell my something, because I see the
camp-cruising possibilities in just about anything. :)
You're right about the depth. FastBrick is about 22" deep; the Brick
in BWAOM is about 24" amidships. FastBrick simply looks deeper,
because that depth is carried straight back to the transom.
Apart from the fact that she's remarkably capable and functional for
her size, a big part of what appeals is the Bolger panache of her
form. The same sort of thumb-your-nose at "proper yachtsman"
attitude that inspired SuperBrick, but on a smaller scale, much
easier to build and store and much less expensive.
Imagine the stares I'd get sailing or motoring amidst the large,
shapely fiberglass tubs that frequent Annapolis . . .
Steve
camp-cruising possibilities in just about anything. :)
You're right about the depth. FastBrick is about 22" deep; the Brick
in BWAOM is about 24" amidships. FastBrick simply looks deeper,
because that depth is carried straight back to the transom.
Apart from the fact that she's remarkably capable and functional for
her size, a big part of what appeals is the Bolger panache of her
form. The same sort of thumb-your-nose at "proper yachtsman"
attitude that inspired SuperBrick, but on a smaller scale, much
easier to build and store and much less expensive.
Imagine the stares I'd get sailing or motoring amidst the large,
shapely fiberglass tubs that frequent Annapolis . . .
Steve
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark <marka@h...> wrote:
> Payson, stretched Tortoise version Brick; not the 4x8 foot, 24"
sided one in BWAOM. That boat uses a 60 sq. ft. rig, so there'd be no
harm in making it somewhat larger.
>I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot versionThe scow -or garvey- strikes again!
>with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
>camp-cruiser. At that length, the clear interior space would be
>about 10 feet long by 43 inches wide, and, with one person aboard and
>a week's supplies, she'd probably float in five inches of water or less.
>
>Any thoughts?
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PV recently put the drawings, sans the copywritten text, in the
boatdesign group files.
http://tinyurl.com/nrzv
It's also copied to microboats, if anyone interested is already a member there.
http://tinyurl.com/ns0z
In the middle of building a regular Brick, it really caught my attention.
While it may have been thought out as a tender, I think you're right to
see the camp cruising possibilities. It would be sort of an economy
version of the more elaborate, larger Bolger Fast Motorsailers. Their
beauty is in being able to quickly get to your cruising ground, then
have a pleasant sail while there.
I think the boat is only, "Deeper," apart from the cutwater, than the
Payson, stretched Tortoise version Brick; not the 4x8 foot, 24" sided
one in BWAOM. That boat uses a 60 sq. ft. rig, so there'd be no harm in
making it somewhat larger.
The cutwater adds to the complexity of course, but could be well worth
having. If you didn't want to bother, the deeper stern may still be
used. In the book, he speculates that building it that way might,
"Increase capacity more than resistance." Might be because the shallow draft.
Mark
boatdesign group files.
http://tinyurl.com/nrzv
It's also copied to microboats, if anyone interested is already a member there.
http://tinyurl.com/ns0z
In the middle of building a regular Brick, it really caught my attention.
While it may have been thought out as a tender, I think you're right to
see the camp cruising possibilities. It would be sort of an economy
version of the more elaborate, larger Bolger Fast Motorsailers. Their
beauty is in being able to quickly get to your cruising ground, then
have a pleasant sail while there.
I think the boat is only, "Deeper," apart from the cutwater, than the
Payson, stretched Tortoise version Brick; not the 4x8 foot, 24" sided
one in BWAOM. That boat uses a 60 sq. ft. rig, so there'd be no harm in
making it somewhat larger.
The cutwater adds to the complexity of course, but could be well worth
having. If you didn't want to bother, the deeper stern may still be
used. In the book, he speculates that building it that way might,
"Increase capacity more than resistance." Might be because the shallow draft.
Mark
> I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),snipped
> which was featured in the 9/1 edition of MAIB.
> I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
> with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
> camp-cruiser. At that length, the clear interior space would be
> about 10 feet long by 43 inches wide, and, with one person aboard and
> a week's supplies, she'd probably float in five inches of water or less.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Steve Paskey
s_paskey <s_paskey@...> wrote:
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey
Yes that sounds quite interesting,especially stretched out to 12'.
Interested to see scanned article when you "clear the decks".
Is it similar to the tender shown in the drawings of "Puffer" in the files section at the Bolger group.This one seems to be about 14' long by 5-6' beam. Just a square crate with a box cutwater,very uncompromising in looks,but would most likely astound the critics by her performance and abilities!!!
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania,Australia
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I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey
Yes that sounds quite interesting,especially stretched out to 12'.
Interested to see scanned article when you "clear the decks".
Is it similar to the tender shown in the drawings of "Puffer" in the files section at the Bolger group.This one seems to be about 14' long by 5-6' beam. Just a square crate with a box cutwater,very uncompromising in looks,but would most likely astound the critics by her performance and abilities!!!
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania,Australia
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I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments on this design (#663),
which was featured in the 9/1 edition of MAIB. The scanner's under a
pile of stuff and can't yet be excavated, so I'll have to rely on
words for now.
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
(Yonder, Le Cabotin, Fiji). Basic idea was to maximize capacity for
a given bulk on deck, support crew if mothership is lost, allow full
planing speed on demand with an outboard and modest sailing
capability.
Imagine the standard Brick shape but deeper, with no rocker aft, and
a "cutwater" appended to the bow. Add a leeboard, rudder, and
standing lug rig, 3 locked compartments for watertight storage, and
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space. At the minimum size, typical loaded
displacement with two people would be 825 lbs on a 6 in. draft (max
1300 lbs on a 9 in. draft), with 850 pounds of positive bouyancy.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies. Sail is 42 sf, intended primarily for reaching and
running to conserve fuel. Oarlocks are included, but don't expect to
go far.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser. At that length, the clear interior space would be
about 10 feet long by 43 inches wide, and, with one person aboard and
a week's supplies, she'd probably float in five inches of water or less.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey
which was featured in the 9/1 edition of MAIB. The scanner's under a
pile of stuff and can't yet be excavated, so I'll have to rely on
words for now.
She was designed as a tender and lifeboat for various recent cruisers
(Yonder, Le Cabotin, Fiji). Basic idea was to maximize capacity for
a given bulk on deck, support crew if mothership is lost, allow full
planing speed on demand with an outboard and modest sailing
capability.
Imagine the standard Brick shape but deeper, with no rocker aft, and
a "cutwater" appended to the bow. Add a leeboard, rudder, and
standing lug rig, 3 locked compartments for watertight storage, and
etc. Basic size is 8 feet long by 4 feet (190 lbs with fir ply), but
the length can be expanded to as much as 12 feet depending on need
and available space. At the minimum size, typical loaded
displacement with two people would be 825 lbs on a 6 in. draft (max
1300 lbs on a 9 in. draft), with 850 pounds of positive bouyancy.
PCB&F say that with 10 hp, she'd plane at 10 knots with two people
and supplies. Sail is 42 sf, intended primarily for reaching and
running to conserve fuel. Oarlocks are included, but don't expect to
go far.
I'm sort of intrigued by the thought of using the 12-foot version
with a cockpit tent as a kind of minimum shallow-draft outboard
camp-cruiser. At that length, the clear interior space would be
about 10 feet long by 43 inches wide, and, with one person aboard and
a week's supplies, she'd probably float in five inches of water or less.
Any thoughts?
Steve Paskey