Re: Fisherman's Skiff
Several years ago, when I was looking at skiff designs, I had a
discussion with 'Dynamite' Payson.
While 'Pointy Skiff' goes together nicely, 'Fisherman's Skiff' is
actually the FASTEST to BUILD . . . once you have the building jig made
!!
Long story short . . . I have BOTH plans . . . with 'Fisherman's'
hanging on the wall as I write this. Each have their points. 'Pointy'
has a higher sheer, external chine {if I remember correctly}, and a
compact look. 'Fisherman's' has a much lower sheer, internal chine's,
about 2 feet more length, and should have more 'carry' under oars, and
requires a accurate building jig/frame.
By the way, it's an 'H.H. Payson Co.' design. I think most people think
of Payson & Bolger as synonymous to many.
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
SNIP
discussion with 'Dynamite' Payson.
While 'Pointy Skiff' goes together nicely, 'Fisherman's Skiff' is
actually the FASTEST to BUILD . . . once you have the building jig made
!!
Long story short . . . I have BOTH plans . . . with 'Fisherman's'
hanging on the wall as I write this. Each have their points. 'Pointy'
has a higher sheer, external chine {if I remember correctly}, and a
compact look. 'Fisherman's' has a much lower sheer, internal chine's,
about 2 feet more length, and should have more 'carry' under oars, and
requires a accurate building jig/frame.
By the way, it's an 'H.H. Payson Co.' design. I think most people think
of Payson & Bolger as synonymous to many.
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
> Message: 3design.
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:01:41 -0700
> From: Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@...>
> Subject: Re: Fisherman's Skiff
>
> I seem to recall that the Fisherman's Skiff isn't even a Bolger
>more work than the Fisherman's Skiff.
> SNIP
> An all plywoood Cartopper 11 would probably be a very nice skiff, if
SNIP
> >Bruce Hector wrote:
> >Pointy sounds close, but has anyone built the 12 foot version, the
> >Fisherman's Skiff? Any ideas on what it will end up weighing if built
> >light by stitch and glue?
> >SNIP
> >Bruce Hector
I seem to recall that the Fisherman's Skiff isn't even a Bolger design.
BTW, do you have Stambaugh's "Good Skiffs" ? Lots of interesting looking
skiff designs in there, though you'd mostly have to do your own panel
expansions. Michalak has a bunch of skiff designs, too.
In my experience, a pointy skiff (not quite "Pointy Skiff") type bow (as
in Monfort's Cartopper 9) moves around a lot on the roof of a car
compared to multi-chine boats, though I think in the water the Cartopper
9 has a very nice (slight v bottom) hull shape for rowing and sailing.
Needs to be more robust tho. An all plywoood Cartopper 11 would probably
be a very nice skiff, if more work than the Fisherman's Skiff. When I
say that it moves around a lot, I mean a lot of restless shifting,
especially when a big truck is upwind, not anything catastrophic. I
usually use enough straps so that any one of them can fail without
losing the boat and I try to keep them snug.
I'll bet if you practice constant vigilance on every part you put in the
hull and are willing to spring for occume you could make a surprisingly
light boat. (say 1/4" occume with spruce framing only, removable seats,
only 1 oz glass or paint, only one layer of tape on each side of a seam,
etc.) You could pretend you were building an airplane.
BTW, do you have Stambaugh's "Good Skiffs" ? Lots of interesting looking
skiff designs in there, though you'd mostly have to do your own panel
expansions. Michalak has a bunch of skiff designs, too.
In my experience, a pointy skiff (not quite "Pointy Skiff") type bow (as
in Monfort's Cartopper 9) moves around a lot on the roof of a car
compared to multi-chine boats, though I think in the water the Cartopper
9 has a very nice (slight v bottom) hull shape for rowing and sailing.
Needs to be more robust tho. An all plywoood Cartopper 11 would probably
be a very nice skiff, if more work than the Fisherman's Skiff. When I
say that it moves around a lot, I mean a lot of restless shifting,
especially when a big truck is upwind, not anything catastrophic. I
usually use enough straps so that any one of them can fail without
losing the boat and I try to keep them snug.
I'll bet if you practice constant vigilance on every part you put in the
hull and are willing to spring for occume you could make a surprisingly
light boat. (say 1/4" occume with spruce framing only, removable seats,
only 1 oz glass or paint, only one layer of tape on each side of a seam,
etc.) You could pretend you were building an airplane.
>Bruce Hector wrote:
>Pointy sounds close, but has anyone built the 12 foot version, the
>Fisherman's Skiff? Any ideas on what it will end up weighing if built
>light by stitch and glue?
>
>We've cartopped a 12' aluminum before, could this be in the same
>weight class?
>
>Any photos anywhere?
>
>Bruce Hector
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/
>"Ils ne corroderent pas!"
>"They shall not rust!"
>
>
>
>
>____________________________
>
We've got company, but I might be able to get on for a bit around 10
pm EST.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/to see my
new "Save the Monuments" eGroup. Some may even be boats. If you know
of a military or civilian monument that is rusting, please let me
know at the MonumentPreservation eGroup.
pm EST.
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/to see my
new "Save the Monuments" eGroup. Some may even be boats. If you know
of a military or civilian monument that is rusting, please let me
know at the MonumentPreservation eGroup.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector"
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
I sure hope all those metal parts keeping my old bones and
all the rest together shall not rust.
Who's smarthead am I gone land on in tonight's Chat?
"Ils ne corroderent pas encore!enfin j'espère"
Stephan
<bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
> Pointy sounds close, but has anyone built the 12 foot version,the
> Fisherman's Skiff? Any ideas on what it will end up weighing ifbuilt
> light by stitch and glue?same
>
> We've cartopped a 12' aluminum before, could this be in the
> weight class?Some days you're the statue,some days you're the pigeon.
>
> Any photos anywhere?
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/
> "Ils ne corroderent pas!"
> "They shall not rust!"
I sure hope all those metal parts keeping my old bones and
all the rest together shall not rust.
Who's smarthead am I gone land on in tonight's Chat?
"Ils ne corroderent pas encore!enfin j'espère"
Stephan
Pointy sounds close, but has anyone built the 12 foot version, the
Fisherman's Skiff? Any ideas on what it will end up weighing if built
light by stitch and glue?
We've cartopped a 12' aluminum before, could this be in the same
weight class?
Any photos anywhere?
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/
"Ils ne corroderent pas!"
"They shall not rust!"
Fisherman's Skiff? Any ideas on what it will end up weighing if built
light by stitch and glue?
We've cartopped a 12' aluminum before, could this be in the same
weight class?
Any photos anywhere?
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monumentpreservation/
"Ils ne corroderent pas!"
"They shall not rust!"