Re: Hector's Aircraft Carrier-ideal plane
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I dunno. It was so easy I have to think SOMEONE else has done it.
>Bruce Hector wrote:snip
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>Anyhow, my carrier dreams have been temporarily sated by Lincoln'sYes. Obsolete lithium ion cell phone battery.
>flying off and landing TWICE his little fixed wing (was the dang
>thing battery powered Linc? It sure was quiet!)
>
> radio controlledsnip
>fixed wing model aircraft. Gentelman (and Sue) I have a carrier!
>
>Dunno' for sure, but it might have been the first fixed wing ops offsnip
>of a floating flight deck in Canada since we scrapped our last
>carrier in 1970!
>
I dunno. It was so easy I have to think SOMEONE else has done it.
Already been done with one slow plane, that's why I was able to describe
it. Unfortunately, most of those planes are too fast for landing on
TIMS, even if you took down the flagpoles and planked over the whole
boat. Not to mention that it would be very scary to be on board unless a
substantial barrier to hide behind was added.
it. Unfortunately, most of those planes are too fast for landing on
TIMS, even if you took down the flagpoles and planked over the whole
boat. Not to mention that it would be very scary to be on board unless a
substantial barrier to hide behind was added.
>John Spoering wrote:
>Hi All -
>
> I just came from our local hobbie shop and couldn't help noticing all the radio controled model airplanes. Some had wingspans of over 6'. Now wouldn't it be a sight if at the next messabout Bruce came with his aircraft carrier AKA TIMS and the local model airplane club came by and practiced touch & go's off his deck.
>
> Aloha - Jack - Ft Lauderdale
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Wow, everyone is yaking about my carrier proposal. Which PB did
indeed like and says is "perfectly doable".
I can't belive how tuckered out I was after the 1st. Annual Rust
Check Kingston Messabout. Musta' been more work than I am used to,
which is precious little.
Ask Peter Lenihan, no-one can do less, in as much time, as I can, all
of the time, whenever possible, every day! LOL.
Anyhow, my carrier dreams have been temporarily sated by Lincoln's
flying off and landing TWICE his little fixed wing (was the dang
thing battery powered Linc? It sure was quiet!) radio controlled
fixed wing model aircraft. Gentelman (and Sue) I have a carrier! My
buddy Mike, the guy with the old outboards and boat stuff for sale,
took some pics of this FIRST in Canada, but they're on real film, and
I haven't seen them yet. They will be posted asap after I recieve
them.
Dunno' for sure, but it might have been the first fixed wing ops off
of a floating flight deck in Canada since we scrapped our last
carrier in 1970! It certainly was the first flight ops off of
the "Longest Wooden Boat Assembled in a Single Day" anywhere, a new
world's record for Linclon Ross. Cheers gentlemen!
More later, zzzzzzzz.........
Bo'sun Bruce Hector
indeed like and says is "perfectly doable".
I can't belive how tuckered out I was after the 1st. Annual Rust
Check Kingston Messabout. Musta' been more work than I am used to,
which is precious little.
Ask Peter Lenihan, no-one can do less, in as much time, as I can, all
of the time, whenever possible, every day! LOL.
Anyhow, my carrier dreams have been temporarily sated by Lincoln's
flying off and landing TWICE his little fixed wing (was the dang
thing battery powered Linc? It sure was quiet!) radio controlled
fixed wing model aircraft. Gentelman (and Sue) I have a carrier! My
buddy Mike, the guy with the old outboards and boat stuff for sale,
took some pics of this FIRST in Canada, but they're on real film, and
I haven't seen them yet. They will be posted asap after I recieve
them.
Dunno' for sure, but it might have been the first fixed wing ops off
of a floating flight deck in Canada since we scrapped our last
carrier in 1970! It certainly was the first flight ops off of
the "Longest Wooden Boat Assembled in a Single Day" anywhere, a new
world's record for Linclon Ross. Cheers gentlemen!
More later, zzzzzzzz.........
Bo'sun Bruce Hector
Hi All -
I just came from our local hobbie shop and couldn't help noticing all the radio controled model airplanes. Some had wingspans of over 6'. Now wouldn't it be a sight if at the next messabout Bruce came with his aircraft carrier AKA TIMS and the local model airplane club came by and practiced touch & go's off his deck.
Aloha - Jack - Ft Lauderdale
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I just came from our local hobbie shop and couldn't help noticing all the radio controled model airplanes. Some had wingspans of over 6'. Now wouldn't it be a sight if at the next messabout Bruce came with his aircraft carrier AKA TIMS and the local model airplane club came by and practiced touch & go's off his deck.
Aloha - Jack - Ft Lauderdale
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Landing is harder, you have to see it to believe how small a carrier
deck looks, and that is on a 1,000 ft ship. All you have to do on take
off is not do anything radical.
HJ
Terry Sanders wrote:
deck looks, and that is on a 1,000 ft ship. All you have to do on take
off is not do anything radical.
HJ
Terry Sanders wrote:
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
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>> If Bruce's carrier could do 20 knots he'd only have to sit in the plane and take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
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>Why would he need more space for landing? Is the landing speed that much higher than takeoff speed? I've heard of people pulling stunts where they landed Piper Cubs on moving flatbed trucks, so it should be possible, if tricky...
>
>Terry Sanders
>Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
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I guess this is bordering on OT, depending on how much we believe Bruce
will build it. However, think of it as the difference between jumping
off a diving board and jumping onto a diving board! In other words, it's
hard to miss the sky when taking off, but it's easy to be a little off
and miss the boat when landing. Especially in unsteady winds. Docking
can be like that, too.
However, if you can get a plane that stalls at maybe 8 mph it's easy.
TIMS is an aircraft carrier already, if you count models. Even without
making any speed thru the water. And if your first approach is too low
you just bounce off the pilot house and fall into the stern. It needs an
"island" next to the "flight deck" so the pilot can judge angles better.
Anyway, the "easy" way out is probably a catapult, a crane, and a
seaplane. At least if you can build a shorter boat stable enough to
stand up to the recoil and the crane. But I guess then it's not a
carrier? How about an autogyro for Bruce?
will build it. However, think of it as the difference between jumping
off a diving board and jumping onto a diving board! In other words, it's
hard to miss the sky when taking off, but it's easy to be a little off
and miss the boat when landing. Especially in unsteady winds. Docking
can be like that, too.
However, if you can get a plane that stalls at maybe 8 mph it's easy.
TIMS is an aircraft carrier already, if you count models. Even without
making any speed thru the water. And if your first approach is too low
you just bounce off the pilot house and fall into the stern. It needs an
"island" next to the "flight deck" so the pilot can judge angles better.
Anyway, the "easy" way out is probably a catapult, a crane, and a
seaplane. At least if you can build a shorter boat stable enough to
stand up to the recoil and the crane. But I guess then it's not a
carrier? How about an autogyro for Bruce?
>Terry Sanders wrote:
>
>
>Why would he need more space for landing? Is the landing speed that much higher than takeoff speed? I've heard of people pulling stunts where they landed Piper Cubs on moving flatbed trucks, so it should be possible, if tricky...
>
>Terry Sanders
>Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________
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--- Lincoln Ross
has said that he was intrigued
by the idea of a Civilian Aircaft
Carrier. There might even be a
PCB cartoon???
> I guess this is bordering on OT,Can't be OT, as I recall, PCB
has said that he was intrigued
by the idea of a Civilian Aircaft
Carrier. There might even be a
PCB cartoon???
I've been watching this thread for a long time, and as a commercial pilot, former S3A driver, and sailor it's obviously intregued me. The real problem I see is that for any practical purposes, the only suitable aircraft would be an ultralight. Given the cost of a Storch knockoff, and the cost of building the carrier, it would take some significant funding to get that project off the ground, which would ultimately turn the activity into something entirely different. I know it would gather a lot of publicity from both the avaiation and boating media. Secondly, IMHO, I think the greater maneuverability of an ultralight is far more suitable for the purpose. I'd certainly volunteer to test the concept
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The aircraft only cares about wind speed. If you have a nice steady 10 kt
breeze and a 10 kt boat SOG, that's 20 kts wind over the deck. Add an
arresting cable and it's doable, at least once.
You might also think Ultra-lights or powered parachutes. They're
"aircraft."
Roger
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breeze and a 10 kt boat SOG, that's 20 kts wind over the deck. Add an
arresting cable and it's doable, at least once.
You might also think Ultra-lights or powered parachutes. They're
"aircraft."
Roger
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http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lincoln Ross" <lincolnr@...>
>
> I guess this is bordering on OT, depending on how much we believe Bruce
> will build it. However, think of it as the difference between jumping
> off a diving board and jumping onto a diving board! In other words, it's
> hard to miss the sky when taking off, but it's easy to be a little off
> and miss the boat when landing. Especially in unsteady winds. Docking
> can be like that, too.
>
> However, if you can get a plane that stalls at maybe 8 mph it's easy.
> TIMS is an aircraft carrier already, if you count models. Even without
> making any speed thru the water. And if your first approach is too low
> you just bounce off the pilot house and fall into the stern. It needs an
> "island" next to the "flight deck" so the pilot can judge angles better.
>
> Anyway, the "easy" way out is probably a catapult, a crane, and a
> seaplane. At least if you can build a shorter boat stable enough to
> stand up to the recoil and the crane. But I guess then it's not a
> carrier? How about an autogyro for Bruce?
>
> >Terry Sanders wrote:
> >
> >
> >Why would he need more space for landing? Is the landing speed that much
higher than takeoff speed? I've heard of people pulling stunts where they
landed Piper Cubs on moving flatbed trucks, so it should be possible, if
tricky...
> >
> >Terry Sanders
> >Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
>Bruce's carrier...I can just imagine the sort of reaction a hypertense Homeland
Security or US Navy guard would have to seeing a small boat slimming
toward some high-value target at 20 kts with an airplane on board,
propellor reving for take-off.
With respect to high speed landings, the {old or bold}, not {old and
bold} applies to the boat driver as well as the pilot.
Peter
Terry Sanders <t_ellis_warrenson@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> If Bruce's carrier could do 20 knots he'd only have to sit in the plane and take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
Why would he need more space for landing? Is the landing speed that much higher than takeoff speed? I've heard of people pulling stunts where they landed Piper Cubs on moving flatbed trucks, so it should be possible, if tricky...
Terry Sanders
Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
We'd like Bruce to reach a ripe old age, and as the saying goes:"There's old pilots and bold pilots but no old bold pilots!!!"
He'd need a bit of length in the deck though to pull the aircraft up in, even with a tail hook.But with S.T.O.L. airplanes,especially smaller ones like the Australian Slepcev Storch,depending on conditions and payload of the plane, 70' might be enough,if he's ''bold'', and keeps off the Maudite prior and during flight!!!!
The Australian built Storch S.T.O.L. kit planes are offered with a 9 cyl. 360 HP Russian Radial option as the "Storch Moose" just for interest .They do have a website,can't remember it offhand but a search with "Storch" + slepcev should find it if anyones interested. Has anybody ever used or thought of using one of these radial aero engines in a boat?... Could be a novel(and expensive) approach for powering some unusual and probably fast craft!!!
I reckon his (Bruce Hector's)Civillian Aircraft carriers a very interesting idea, especially if homebuilt,what a craft she'd be.
It would be good to see it become a reality!!!!!!!!
Hugo Tyson , Tasmania ,Australia.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
Terry Sanders
Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
> If Bruce's carrier could do 20 knots he'd only have to sit in the plane and take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?Why would he need more space for landing? Is the landing speed that much higher than takeoff speed? I've heard of people pulling stunts where they landed Piper Cubs on moving flatbed trucks, so it should be possible, if tricky...
Terry Sanders
Hapeville (Atlanta), Georgia, U.S.
Well, ...... for now it's still just a pipe dream.
But, you'd be surprised what you can dream up now in Canada,
Especially that it's now legal to posess 30 grams or less than of ...
Epoxy?
Bruce Hector
Dreamin' of VTOL aircraft and 16 foot long carriers to windward of
whatever it is that Peter Lenihan is smokin' on the shores of the
mighty St. Lawrence!
But, you'd be surprised what you can dream up now in Canada,
Especially that it's now legal to posess 30 grams or less than of ...
Epoxy?
Bruce Hector
Dreamin' of VTOL aircraft and 16 foot long carriers to windward of
whatever it is that Peter Lenihan is smokin' on the shores of the
mighty St. Lawrence!
Well, if it's airplane yarns you want ...
A bunch of us were hanging around the ramp at Cincinnati's Lunken Field when
this plane landed. At a distance it looked like a Piper cub, but as it
taxied in it got larger and larger. Finally it pulled up to a row of
tie-downs next to the fence and BACKED into its parking place. It turned
out to be war surplus from Vietnam, a Storch look-alike with a Pratt PT-6
Turboprop on the nose and a propellor that included reverse thrust.
Impressive! It belonged to a fellow who owned a nursery and it was filled
with shrubs and small trees he was bringing to a trade show.
Then you may remember the time the U.S.Navy ran one of its aircraft carriers
aground entering New York harbor. The Captain tried everything including
lining up all the planes along one edge of the flight deck running them at
full throttle. It didn't work and he was severely censured for the damage
it did to the plane's engines (and also relieved as Captain for running
aground). The newspapers and other branches of the service loved it. It
was at least several days and maybe longer before they got her off.
Since the aircraft were round engine propellor planes such as the F6Fs and
F4Us, it was probably the late 1940s or early 1950s. They need lots of
airflow to cool the engines. Rumor had it that the Captain and Air Boss
nearly came to blows.
Roger
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A bunch of us were hanging around the ramp at Cincinnati's Lunken Field when
this plane landed. At a distance it looked like a Piper cub, but as it
taxied in it got larger and larger. Finally it pulled up to a row of
tie-downs next to the fence and BACKED into its parking place. It turned
out to be war surplus from Vietnam, a Storch look-alike with a Pratt PT-6
Turboprop on the nose and a propellor that included reverse thrust.
Impressive! It belonged to a fellow who owned a nursery and it was filled
with shrubs and small trees he was bringing to a trade show.
Then you may remember the time the U.S.Navy ran one of its aircraft carriers
aground entering New York harbor. The Captain tried everything including
lining up all the planes along one edge of the flight deck running them at
full throttle. It didn't work and he was severely censured for the damage
it did to the plane's engines (and also relieved as Captain for running
aground). The newspapers and other branches of the service loved it. It
was at least several days and maybe longer before they got her off.
Since the aircraft were round engine propellor planes such as the F6Fs and
F4Us, it was probably the late 1940s or early 1950s. They need lots of
airflow to cool the engines. Rumor had it that the Captain and Air Boss
nearly came to blows.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
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From: "chodges31711" <chodges@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Hector's Aircraft carrier-ideal plane
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> take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but
> maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
> >
> > Hugo Tyson , Tasmania
>
> I would love to have one.
>
> The original Storch had large, very long landing gear struts (hyd.
> shock absorbers). On the ground, it looked like a Praying Mantis -
> the front tilted up very high in the air. It could come almost
> straight down to pancake onto the ground. It was reported to be a
> wild ride. The Germans would land and takeoff from unimproved areas
> (front lines)to ferry messages and officers. If the deck was strong
> enough, you could land vertically in a 20 knot headwind - especially
> with a tail hook.
>
> Would a tied down airplane count as an aux. motor?
>
> Charles
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take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but
maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
The original Storch had large, very long landing gear struts (hyd.
shock absorbers). On the ground, it looked like a Praying Mantis -
the front tilted up very high in the air. It could come almost
straight down to pancake onto the ground. It was reported to be a
wild ride. The Germans would land and takeoff from unimproved areas
(front lines)to ferry messages and officers. If the deck was strong
enough, you could land vertically in a 20 knot headwind - especially
with a tail hook.
Would a tied down airplane count as an aux. motor?
Charles
maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
>I would love to have one.
> Hugo Tyson , Tasmania
The original Storch had large, very long landing gear struts (hyd.
shock absorbers). On the ground, it looked like a Praying Mantis -
the front tilted up very high in the air. It could come almost
straight down to pancake onto the ground. It was reported to be a
wild ride. The Germans would land and takeoff from unimproved areas
(front lines)to ferry messages and officers. If the deck was strong
enough, you could land vertically in a 20 knot headwind - especially
with a tail hook.
Would a tied down airplane count as an aux. motor?
Charles
Not much to do with Bolger boats,but Bruce Hector's proposal for a Wyoming doubled to about 110' for his own "Civilian Aircraft Carrier" maybe just a "Pipe Dream" but you never know.
I think the ideal aircraft for it would be the Slepcev Storch, which is built in Australia.Its a simplified(Maybe even improved) 3/4 scale replica of the German WWII Fiesler Storch STOL recon aircraft.
The info on the website ( storch.com.au ) states: " Fly at 22 mph at full flap and 30% of power. ........Take off run into 16mph wind is vertical with no forward roll.." and more.
If Bruce's carrier could do 20 knots he'd only have to sit in the plane and take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
Hugo Tyson , Tasmania
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I think the ideal aircraft for it would be the Slepcev Storch, which is built in Australia.Its a simplified(Maybe even improved) 3/4 scale replica of the German WWII Fiesler Storch STOL recon aircraft.
The info on the website ( storch.com.au ) states: " Fly at 22 mph at full flap and 30% of power. ........Take off run into 16mph wind is vertical with no forward roll.." and more.
If Bruce's carrier could do 20 knots he'd only have to sit in the plane and take off like a helicopter,landing though he'd need more space but maybe the length of 110' thereabouts wouldn't be so necessary?
Hugo Tyson , Tasmania
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