[bolger] Re: re;back to bang for the buck
Good idea, David B., I think I will squirt it full of foam, not only for
the sound proofing, but also to prevent the "rot spot" made possible
with dead air spaces.
Thanks for the input, Stan, SG, who yesterday saw the first robin of
spring!
the sound proofing, but also to prevent the "rot spot" made possible
with dead air spaces.
Thanks for the input, Stan, SG, who yesterday saw the first robin of
spring!
In regards to your anti slap bow add on, you said "It will have
the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion." Though foam
or air space will result in the same floatation you might consider the
possibility of the foam filled being quieter. Take it from an old
instrument maker, the ply we build our boats from is not very unlike the
sound boards used to amplify the vibration of strings. Anyway, my guess
is a foam filled add on would have more sound attenuation qualities than
a hollow one... and since quiet sleeping is the goal....
My two cents...
david beede
Stan Muller wrote:
will give it a try when I get that far. I did manage to get a good deal
on a, new in the box, steering connector kit (on ebay) that ties the
rudder and motor together with a set of tie-rod looking devices.
This may end up being a bit of overkill, (read over steering) from
what you confess about cutting doughnuts, but we'll see.
As to the foam, My thoughts are to add a shaped rib-like piece on
either side of the keel and then bend a piece of 1/4" ply onto it and
feather the outer edge to the bottom. then glass over it. It will have
the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion.
In response to your three feet of ice, I can only say is, "you really
know how to tickle a guy" he-he, 3' of ice, are ya going to go boating
today? Ice boating that is.
Stan, and his much maligned SG, having a warm rainy summer day in mid
America.
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the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion." Though foam
or air space will result in the same floatation you might consider the
possibility of the foam filled being quieter. Take it from an old
instrument maker, the ply we build our boats from is not very unlike the
sound boards used to amplify the vibration of strings. Anyway, my guess
is a foam filled add on would have more sound attenuation qualities than
a hollow one... and since quiet sleeping is the goal....
My two cents...
david beede
Stan Muller wrote:
>That's the first I have heard of the loose outboard steering, and I
> Hi Peter L.,
will give it a try when I get that far. I did manage to get a good deal
on a, new in the box, steering connector kit (on ebay) that ties the
rudder and motor together with a set of tie-rod looking devices.
This may end up being a bit of overkill, (read over steering) from
what you confess about cutting doughnuts, but we'll see.
As to the foam, My thoughts are to add a shaped rib-like piece on
either side of the keel and then bend a piece of 1/4" ply onto it and
feather the outer edge to the bottom. then glass over it. It will have
the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion.
In response to your three feet of ice, I can only say is, "you really
know how to tickle a guy" he-he, 3' of ice, are ya going to go boating
today? Ice boating that is.
Stan, and his much maligned SG, having a warm rainy summer day in mid
America.
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http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/featherwind.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/featherwind.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Hi All, I have the modification pictures on my web page for those that
are interested. All comments are not only welcome, they are requested. I
can use all the help I can get.http://www.iland.net/~pmuller/
Having decided to go motor, rather than sail, it seems as though I
have a few goodies to dispose of;
Sails, brand new in their bag.
New unfinished, Main mast, used mizzen mast, used main and mizzen
booms, and all associated hardware, including sail track for main. sail
is already set up for track.
Ballast (can be seen laying on the trailer on my page) 3rd and 7th
picture on opening page.
Since I need ballast, but do not think it is as critical as for a
sailing Micro, and since I have over 300 pounds of wheel weights and
lead, which I can pot with ground lime stone and epoxy into my keel, and
unless someone tells me differently, this will free up the lead keel I
had poured for some one else that needs it.
If anyone is interested in any of the above, email me directly and we
can dicker.
If by listing these things I have done wrong, I apologize to one and
all. But, since I won't be using them, it would be nice to find someone
on the list that can.
Stan, SG
are interested. All comments are not only welcome, they are requested. I
can use all the help I can get.http://www.iland.net/~pmuller/
Having decided to go motor, rather than sail, it seems as though I
have a few goodies to dispose of;
Sails, brand new in their bag.
New unfinished, Main mast, used mizzen mast, used main and mizzen
booms, and all associated hardware, including sail track for main. sail
is already set up for track.
Ballast (can be seen laying on the trailer on my page) 3rd and 7th
picture on opening page.
Since I need ballast, but do not think it is as critical as for a
sailing Micro, and since I have over 300 pounds of wheel weights and
lead, which I can pot with ground lime stone and epoxy into my keel, and
unless someone tells me differently, this will free up the lead keel I
had poured for some one else that needs it.
If anyone is interested in any of the above, email me directly and we
can dicker.
If by listing these things I have done wrong, I apologize to one and
all. But, since I won't be using them, it would be nice to find someone
on the list that can.
Stan, SG
Hi Peter,
While you were off looking at the ice, I decided to go for a step
hydroplane. ;-) All kidding aside, it will be as follows;
Along side the keel, there will be a dutchman (like a rib patch on
the side of a bad rib) That will start with a point, grow in size as you
go aft, until at about 2.5' back it is the full (less 1/4") height of
the keel, go aft about another foot then start to diminish in size until
it's down to a point again about another 1.5 feet further back. Then
from the plywood, I'll cut one half of an ellipse so the flat side
covers the full length of the dutchman. Then feather the rounded side so
it blends with the bottom both fore and aft. Everything inside of the
dead air space will be epoxied and fiber glassed, as will the outside of
the new bottom portion. The idea of using an ellipse is so the V will
blend into the flat over the curve of the bottom, both fore and aft,
without having a compound curve.
As to the center of the river being open, and the rest full of
fishing holes, that sure would make for some exciting ice boating, as
well as making you a great sailor. anyone that could change direction
that many times and that fast would have to be good!
I hope to put some preliminary sketches of the pilot house and V mod
on the web site tonight, so let me know what you think of them. I email
the group as soon as they are on.
All the Best, Stan, feeling sorry for himself 'cause it's so warm he
can't go ice fishing, NOT! he he he. Even SG got a smile out of that
one.
While you were off looking at the ice, I decided to go for a step
hydroplane. ;-) All kidding aside, it will be as follows;
Along side the keel, there will be a dutchman (like a rib patch on
the side of a bad rib) That will start with a point, grow in size as you
go aft, until at about 2.5' back it is the full (less 1/4") height of
the keel, go aft about another foot then start to diminish in size until
it's down to a point again about another 1.5 feet further back. Then
from the plywood, I'll cut one half of an ellipse so the flat side
covers the full length of the dutchman. Then feather the rounded side so
it blends with the bottom both fore and aft. Everything inside of the
dead air space will be epoxied and fiber glassed, as will the outside of
the new bottom portion. The idea of using an ellipse is so the V will
blend into the flat over the curve of the bottom, both fore and aft,
without having a compound curve.
As to the center of the river being open, and the rest full of
fishing holes, that sure would make for some exciting ice boating, as
well as making you a great sailor. anyone that could change direction
that many times and that fast would have to be good!
I hope to put some preliminary sketches of the pilot house and V mod
on the web site tonight, so let me know what you think of them. I email
the group as soon as they are on.
All the Best, Stan, feeling sorry for himself 'cause it's so warm he
can't go ice fishing, NOT! he he he. Even SG got a smile out of that
one.
Hello Stan,
I`ve been staring at the ice for too long or something for I am
having a devil of a time visualizing your plywood"V".More
specifically;I can see how it begins up forward under the stem and
gradually broadens and deepens as you move aft however,how do you plan
to terminate this"V" once you are far enough back?I keep seeing an
abrupt step(not to put it too mildly!) similar to a seaplane
pontoon.You aren`t secretly planning a flying-boat by chance?:-D
Perhaps you could shed some light on this,for me?
Also,would not that dead air space/chamber be a wonderful spot for
rot,condensation or even some mushrooms to grow in?I take it you are
amongst the many in this e-group who enjoy a climate considerably more
propitious to this problem then us socialist pinkos to the frozen North
of you who rarely,if ever,complain about how hot and muggy it is.
On a final note,the middle of the river does not freeze(too much
current),it is only as you move closer to shore and in bays and basins
that the ice gets thick.They race Renault cars and big 4X4 Jimmies with
steel studs on their tires around the these bays and in these
basins.They also set up whole villages out on the ice,for ice
fishing...hundreds of vehicles park out on the ice all weekend
long.Despite the ice being perforated with literally thousands of
fishing holes it still manages to support the works!Thought you might
like to know this.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,contemplating taking up ice fishing,on the frozen shores
of the St.Lawrence.........
I`ve been staring at the ice for too long or something for I am
having a devil of a time visualizing your plywood"V".More
specifically;I can see how it begins up forward under the stem and
gradually broadens and deepens as you move aft however,how do you plan
to terminate this"V" once you are far enough back?I keep seeing an
abrupt step(not to put it too mildly!) similar to a seaplane
pontoon.You aren`t secretly planning a flying-boat by chance?:-D
Perhaps you could shed some light on this,for me?
Also,would not that dead air space/chamber be a wonderful spot for
rot,condensation or even some mushrooms to grow in?I take it you are
amongst the many in this e-group who enjoy a climate considerably more
propitious to this problem then us socialist pinkos to the frozen North
of you who rarely,if ever,complain about how hot and muggy it is.
On a final note,the middle of the river does not freeze(too much
current),it is only as you move closer to shore and in bays and basins
that the ice gets thick.They race Renault cars and big 4X4 Jimmies with
steel studs on their tires around the these bays and in these
basins.They also set up whole villages out on the ice,for ice
fishing...hundreds of vehicles park out on the ice all weekend
long.Despite the ice being perforated with literally thousands of
fishing holes it still manages to support the works!Thought you might
like to know this.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,contemplating taking up ice fishing,on the frozen shores
of the St.Lawrence.........
Hi Peter L.,
That's the first I have heard of the loose outboard steering, and I
will give it a try when I get that far. I did manage to get a good deal
on a, new in the box, steering connector kit (on ebay) that ties the
rudder and motor together with a set of tie-rod looking devices.
This may end up being a bit of overkill, (read over steering) from
what you confess about cutting doughnuts, but we'll see.
As to the foam, My thoughts are to add a shaped rib-like piece on
either side of the keel and then bend a piece of 1/4" ply onto it and
feather the outer edge to the bottom. then glass over it. It will have
the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion.
In response to your three feet of ice, I can only say is, "you really
know how to tickle a guy" he-he, 3' of ice, are ya going to go boating
today? Ice boating that is.
Stan, and his much maligned SG, having a warm rainy summer day in mid
America.
That's the first I have heard of the loose outboard steering, and I
will give it a try when I get that far. I did manage to get a good deal
on a, new in the box, steering connector kit (on ebay) that ties the
rudder and motor together with a set of tie-rod looking devices.
This may end up being a bit of overkill, (read over steering) from
what you confess about cutting doughnuts, but we'll see.
As to the foam, My thoughts are to add a shaped rib-like piece on
either side of the keel and then bend a piece of 1/4" ply onto it and
feather the outer edge to the bottom. then glass over it. It will have
the dead air space to add to the overall flotation, it will accomplish
the semi V, and it will be ship shape and Bristol fashion.
In response to your three feet of ice, I can only say is, "you really
know how to tickle a guy" he-he, 3' of ice, are ya going to go boating
today? Ice boating that is.
Stan, and his much maligned SG, having a warm rainy summer day in mid
America.
Hello Stan,
I have read many times and from many sources,including
PCB,that one has but to hang the outboard on its mount,loosen the
tensioning nut/screw on the shaft and voila(!),the motor will now turn
or rather follow the rudder as IT turns...............
Well,God knows I have tried to achieve this but to date and
after six seasons worth of trials,that particular trick continues to
elude me.So,I have become rather accustomed to simply fixing the motor
in the straight ahead position and steering with the tiller.This has
sufficed for all normal uses with the boat except when I have wanted to
show off.Then I steer with BOTH the motor and the tiller.More
precisely,I push both of them"hard over" and begin to spin a very very
tight 360.....so tight it feels like I am about to be sucked down into
some sort of giant drain.
O.K.,it is somewhat silly as a thing to do,in public,but it
sure does make your boat super handy in tight fixes and is always a hit
at boat parades!!
Knowing little about hard foam,I like your idea with the wood
even though the foam would appear to further enhance the ultimate
floatation of your finished project and that sounds like"peace of mind"
to me.I was down at the yacht club yesterday and the ice is still a
robust 3 feet thick..........
By the way,I'll be expecting to see some nice big 5X10
coloured glossies of your completed MICRO-NAVIGATOR-TUG SNOW GOOSE......
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,preparing for another peaceful night of sun filled summer
time dreams,while the precocious drippings continue on the banks of the
St.Lawrence
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3137
I have read many times and from many sources,including
PCB,that one has but to hang the outboard on its mount,loosen the
tensioning nut/screw on the shaft and voila(!),the motor will now turn
or rather follow the rudder as IT turns...............
Well,God knows I have tried to achieve this but to date and
after six seasons worth of trials,that particular trick continues to
elude me.So,I have become rather accustomed to simply fixing the motor
in the straight ahead position and steering with the tiller.This has
sufficed for all normal uses with the boat except when I have wanted to
show off.Then I steer with BOTH the motor and the tiller.More
precisely,I push both of them"hard over" and begin to spin a very very
tight 360.....so tight it feels like I am about to be sucked down into
some sort of giant drain.
O.K.,it is somewhat silly as a thing to do,in public,but it
sure does make your boat super handy in tight fixes and is always a hit
at boat parades!!
Knowing little about hard foam,I like your idea with the wood
even though the foam would appear to further enhance the ultimate
floatation of your finished project and that sounds like"peace of mind"
to me.I was down at the yacht club yesterday and the ice is still a
robust 3 feet thick..........
By the way,I'll be expecting to see some nice big 5X10
coloured glossies of your completed MICRO-NAVIGATOR-TUG SNOW GOOSE......
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,preparing for another peaceful night of sun filled summer
time dreams,while the precocious drippings continue on the banks of the
St.Lawrence
stan muller <smulle-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3137
> Thanks Peter, points well taken. Do you have the motor coupled to theborrow
> rudder, or do you steer with the rudder alone?
> > It has been my experience,with my MICRO,that it is far and away
> > much easier to steer the boat with the rudder,as per plans,then to
> > steer with the motor only.
> I did look at the print, and you couldn't be more right about the
> location of the splash. Since it will be easier to do the bottom now
> than later, I will do it now, but instead of foam, I'll do it with
> plywood overlays and cover it with fiberglass. That way, you can
> it in the winter and use it for an icebreaker.recommendation vis-à-vis the > foam wedge between keel and bottom!
> > I would whole-heartedly encourage you to take up PCB&F's
> Stan, M-N-T, SG enjoying 70+ deg. weather, 10 miles north of the warma
> banks of the Missouri, except during the floods when we are 5/10th of
> mile north of the Missouri.
Thanks Peter, points well taken. Do you have the motor coupled to the
rudder, or do you steer with the rudder alone?
location of the splash. Since it will be easier to do the bottom now
than later, I will do it now, but instead of foam, I'll do it with
plywood overlays and cover it with fiberglass. That way, you can borrow
it in the winter and use it for an icebreaker.
banks of the Missouri, except during the floods when we are 5/10th of a
mile north of the Missouri.
rudder, or do you steer with the rudder alone?
> It has been my experience,with my MICRO,that it is far and awayI did look at the print, and you couldn't be more right about the
> much easier to steer the boat with the rudder,as per plans,then to
> steer with the motor only.
location of the splash. Since it will be easier to do the bottom now
than later, I will do it now, but instead of foam, I'll do it with
plywood overlays and cover it with fiberglass. That way, you can borrow
it in the winter and use it for an icebreaker.
> I would whole-heartedly encourage you to take up PCB&F's recommendation vis-à-vis the > foam wedge between keel and bottom!Stan, M-N-T, SG enjoying 70+ deg. weather, 10 miles north of the warm
banks of the Missouri, except during the floods when we are 5/10th of a
mile north of the Missouri.
Hello Stan,
It is very flattering to think that I will get some blame for all
your fun!!!More importantly,however,is the"blessing"from the
designer.....lucky you!!!!
It has been my experience,with my MICRO,that it is far and away
much easier to steer the boat with the rudder,as per plans,then to
steer with the motor only.Two points to consider;1)easier to hold a
straight course with that nice long tiller,2) your weight is better
positioned to trim the boat"just right" instead of a pronounced nose up
attitude which happens when you steer with the motor.
The romantic notion of being carressed to sleep by the sweet and
gentle lapping of the waves may be just that,romance.It works well if
you are deaf in one ear and don't hear too well out of the other or
have had near industrial quantities of your favorite
sun-downer/nightcap.Otherwise,in the right wave conditions,you may find
that even the sweetest,honey-coated,sensuously seductive"voice" will
begin to sound like that of some screaming she-devil banshee from
hell.......to put it mildly,after an hour or two .I would
whole-heartedly encourage you to take up PCB&F's recommendation
vis-à-vis the foam wedge between keel and bottom!Take a look at the
plans and you will observe that where your head comes to rest on a
pillow also happens to be the point where the water meets the hull,up
foreward,at rest.
Continued success with you"tug-yacht" or cruiser!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
Peter lenihan,slowly being hypnotized by the happy gurgling of melting
snow and ice,here on the cool banks of the St.Lawrence........
It is very flattering to think that I will get some blame for all
your fun!!!More importantly,however,is the"blessing"from the
designer.....lucky you!!!!
It has been my experience,with my MICRO,that it is far and away
much easier to steer the boat with the rudder,as per plans,then to
steer with the motor only.Two points to consider;1)easier to hold a
straight course with that nice long tiller,2) your weight is better
positioned to trim the boat"just right" instead of a pronounced nose up
attitude which happens when you steer with the motor.
The romantic notion of being carressed to sleep by the sweet and
gentle lapping of the waves may be just that,romance.It works well if
you are deaf in one ear and don't hear too well out of the other or
have had near industrial quantities of your favorite
sun-downer/nightcap.Otherwise,in the right wave conditions,you may find
that even the sweetest,honey-coated,sensuously seductive"voice" will
begin to sound like that of some screaming she-devil banshee from
hell.......to put it mildly,after an hour or two .I would
whole-heartedly encourage you to take up PCB&F's recommendation
vis-à-vis the foam wedge between keel and bottom!Take a look at the
plans and you will observe that where your head comes to rest on a
pillow also happens to be the point where the water meets the hull,up
foreward,at rest.
Continued success with you"tug-yacht" or cruiser!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
Peter lenihan,slowly being hypnotized by the happy gurgling of melting
snow and ice,here on the cool banks of the St.Lawrence........