Re: [bolger] Re: Epoxy and Wal-Mart 30 mil Plastic
One mil = one thousandth of an inch. So yes, technically we are
talking milli-inches.
talking milli-inches.
On 30 Sep 2003 at 15:46,fountainb@...wrote:
> > The first place I checked was beaconfabrics.com, where
> > 20 mil 54" wide sells for $7.50 per yard, or $0.55 per
> > sq. foot; the 30 mil 54" wide sells for $14.95, or $1.11
> > per square foot.
>
> Am I going mad, or are you guys talking *milli-inches*?
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
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> The first place I checked was beaconfabrics.com, whereAm I going mad, or are you guys talking *milli-inches*?
> 20 mil 54" wide sells for $7.50 per yard, or $0.55 per
> sq. foot; the 30 mil 54" wide sells for $14.95, or $1.11
> per square foot.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> > In the Fabric and sewing section of Wal-Mart. The stuff can besewn
> > to make furniture covers like my Grand Mother had in her "forshow"
> > living room.I live an hour from the nearest Walmart so I tried to find the rolls
of clear vinyl on their website -- no luck. But then I did a Google
search for "clear vinyl roll" and got lots of hits.
The first place I checked was beaconfabrics.com, where 20 mil 54"
wide sells for $7.50 per yard, or $0.55 per sq. foot; the 30 mil 54"
wide sells for $14.95, or $1.11 per square foot. I'm sure Walmart
prices are better, but here only the 20 mil is cheaper than the Lexan
I ordered ($1.02/sq. ft. I think)-- and that has the stiffness of
credit-card plastic. I'll get some of this vinyl for smoothing
interior fillets. I'm guessing it's a bit floppier than the Lexan,
though, for flat panel smoothing.
It's also inspiring dreams of sewing up a clear plastic tent
enclosure to go over/around the cockpit of Cormorant on cool
evenings, with a white tarp roof, roll-up flaps and roll-up screen
panels. There goes another 30 or 40 hours . . .
All best,
Garth
Jeff,
It may well be but my square top mainsail on my catamaran has a
window made from a new Kevlar material. If I were going to make a
clear window for a canvas top on my boat I would get the same
material from my sail maker for the windows. It has great UV
protection unlike some of the clear plastic you get in those pre-made
canvas items. I am thinking about sending my Jeep top to him to redo
the plastic windows to that new Kevlar stuff.
The Kevlar would and is to expensive for epoxy work and the epoxy
might even stick to it. I don't like the price of Kevlar cloth but
the windows won't crack and go yellow.
John
It may well be but my square top mainsail on my catamaran has a
window made from a new Kevlar material. If I were going to make a
clear window for a canvas top on my boat I would get the same
material from my sail maker for the windows. It has great UV
protection unlike some of the clear plastic you get in those pre-made
canvas items. I am thinking about sending my Jeep top to him to redo
the plastic windows to that new Kevlar stuff.
The Kevlar would and is to expensive for epoxy work and the epoxy
might even stick to it. I don't like the price of Kevlar cloth but
the windows won't crack and go yellow.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
> > In the Fabric and sewing section of Wal-Mart. The stuff can be
sewn
> > to make furniture covers like my Grand Mother had in her "for
show"
> > living room.
>
> Would this be the same stuff used to make the plastic window
inserts sewn
> into the canvas of tent campers?
>
> Jeff
> In the Fabric and sewing section of Wal-Mart. The stuff can be sewnWould this be the same stuff used to make the plastic window inserts sewn
> to make furniture covers like my Grand Mother had in her "for show"
> living room.
into the canvas of tent campers?
Jeff
Garth,
In the Fabric and sewing section of Wal-Mart. The stuff can be sewn
to make furniture covers like my Grand Mother had in her "for show"
living room. We were never allowed in there but had full rein of the
family room. I never understood the purpose of covering furniture and
never using it? I now know my Grandmother was crazy but I refuse to
put plastic on my furniture but my boats are different. As far as
everything about sanding is concerned yes I will need to sand before
I put UV varnish protection on my boat but you must sand anyway you
look at it. I just take out the portion where I sand out the low and
high spots with my industrial band sander. All I need now is my
small palm sander. People who work with their hands are mere
Workers. Those that work with their head and hands are Craftsman.
However those who work with their hands, head and heart are Artists.
Most boat builders have a dream in their hearts so they can be
classified as Artists. Most of us are not on a production line so we
can spend loving hours sanding our project or just throw paint at it
and use it for a test. When I find a new way to take three steps from
my work I call that smart. I like this new idea about using the
plastic to fair out my finish. It takes hours of work out of a
project that I can use in other ways to make my boat look better.
John
In the Fabric and sewing section of Wal-Mart. The stuff can be sewn
to make furniture covers like my Grand Mother had in her "for show"
living room. We were never allowed in there but had full rein of the
family room. I never understood the purpose of covering furniture and
never using it? I now know my Grandmother was crazy but I refuse to
put plastic on my furniture but my boats are different. As far as
everything about sanding is concerned yes I will need to sand before
I put UV varnish protection on my boat but you must sand anyway you
look at it. I just take out the portion where I sand out the low and
high spots with my industrial band sander. All I need now is my
small palm sander. People who work with their hands are mere
Workers. Those that work with their head and hands are Craftsman.
However those who work with their hands, head and heart are Artists.
Most boat builders have a dream in their hearts so they can be
classified as Artists. Most of us are not on a production line so we
can spend loving hours sanding our project or just throw paint at it
and use it for a test. When I find a new way to take three steps from
my work I call that smart. I like this new idea about using the
plastic to fair out my finish. It takes hours of work out of a
project that I can use in other ways to make my boat look better.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
> > To everyone Wal-Mart and most Fabric Stores have 20 and 30 mil
> > plastic sheeting that is much less expensive than any supply
> house.
>
>
> John --
>
> Thanks for this excellent tip. What section does Wal-Mart stock it
> in? I did a quick search for "roll plastic" and "plastic sheet"
> and "polyethylene" on the Walmart.com website and didn't find it.
>
> But I'd like to get my hands on some. I'm already thinking I'd like
> extra on hand, to cut into 8-12" wide strips of varying lengths to
> apply to internal fillets, or long ones for smoothing the exterior
> joints, or pieces sized just right for smoothing cabin top or seat
> areas, etc.
>
> All best,
> Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
John --
Thanks for this excellent tip. What section does Wal-Mart stock it
in? I did a quick search for "roll plastic" and "plastic sheet"
and "polyethylene" on the Walmart.com website and didn't find it.
But I'd like to get my hands on some. I'm already thinking I'd like
extra on hand, to cut into 8-12" wide strips of varying lengths to
apply to internal fillets, or long ones for smoothing the exterior
joints, or pieces sized just right for smoothing cabin top or seat
areas, etc.
All best,
Garth
> To everyone Wal-Mart and most Fabric Stores have 20 and 30 milhouse.
> plastic sheeting that is much less expensive than any supply
John --
Thanks for this excellent tip. What section does Wal-Mart stock it
in? I did a quick search for "roll plastic" and "plastic sheet"
and "polyethylene" on the Walmart.com website and didn't find it.
But I'd like to get my hands on some. I'm already thinking I'd like
extra on hand, to cut into 8-12" wide strips of varying lengths to
apply to internal fillets, or long ones for smoothing the exterior
joints, or pieces sized just right for smoothing cabin top or seat
areas, etc.
All best,
Garth
John,
Thanks for the update.
Question for you. What's the idea behind foam in your plywood
daggerbaord and rudder? Sure, they will be lighter, but won't they
float? I made a cutout in each of mine but filled with lead to
counteract the buoyancy of the plywood....
Rick-
John Cupp wrote:
Thanks for the update.
Question for you. What's the idea behind foam in your plywood
daggerbaord and rudder? Sure, they will be lighter, but won't they
float? I made a cutout in each of mine but filled with lead to
counteract the buoyancy of the plywood....
Rick-
John Cupp wrote:
> To everyone Wal-Mart and most Fabric Stores have 20 and 30 mil
> plastic sheeting that is much less expensive than any supply house.
> It only comes up to 58" wide. I have had no problem with epoxy
> starvation because I push the air not the epoxy with a small
> squeegee. You can see the level of the epoxy with the ultra clear
> heavy plastic film. The only parts I am buying from an industrial
> supply house are the 2" X 2"X 8' strips of UHMW in a stunning black
> marbleized texture. The black marble against the bright copper will
> look very good. All of the framing is Red Oak.
>
> I am cutting the dagger board and rudder from 1/2" 7 ply plywood. I
> am cutting out the center of both and fitting Styrofoam inside to
> make them lighter then I'll cover them with the same copper color
> epoxy and I might even do the same with the mast and not sail in
> thunder storms.
>
> After you try this simple application you also will see the mile deep
> smooth look the Plastic provides
>
> John
> .
>
To everyone Wal-Mart and most Fabric Stores have 20 and 30 mil
plastic sheeting that is much less expensive than any supply house.
It only comes up to 58" wide. I have had no problem with epoxy
starvation because I push the air not the epoxy with a small
squeegee. You can see the level of the epoxy with the ultra clear
heavy plastic film. The only parts I am buying from an industrial
supply house are the 2" X 2"X 8' strips of UHMW in a stunning black
marbleized texture. The black marble against the bright copper will
look very good. All of the framing is Red Oak.
I am cutting the dagger board and rudder from 1/2" 7 ply plywood. I
am cutting out the center of both and fitting Styrofoam inside to
make them lighter then I'll cover them with the same copper color
epoxy and I might even do the same with the mast and not sail in
thunder storms.
After you try this simple application you also will see the mile deep
smooth look the Plastic provides
John
.
plastic sheeting that is much less expensive than any supply house.
It only comes up to 58" wide. I have had no problem with epoxy
starvation because I push the air not the epoxy with a small
squeegee. You can see the level of the epoxy with the ultra clear
heavy plastic film. The only parts I am buying from an industrial
supply house are the 2" X 2"X 8' strips of UHMW in a stunning black
marbleized texture. The black marble against the bright copper will
look very good. All of the framing is Red Oak.
I am cutting the dagger board and rudder from 1/2" 7 ply plywood. I
am cutting out the center of both and fitting Styrofoam inside to
make them lighter then I'll cover them with the same copper color
epoxy and I might even do the same with the mast and not sail in
thunder storms.
After you try this simple application you also will see the mile deep
smooth look the Plastic provides
John
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