Re: Seabird Variations
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:
really don't need yet another boat on top of the Insolent 60. :-)
How much does she weigh overall (trailer weight)? Did you stick
with the interior drawn in the plans, or make something more
elaborate?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I've uploaded the newer photos to my homepage.She's beautiful, and I'm having to forcibly remind myself that I
> There are model photos and some information about the
> Seabird'86 design.
> look at:
>http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
really don't need yet another boat on top of the Insolent 60. :-)
How much does she weigh overall (trailer weight)? Did you stick
with the interior drawn in the plans, or make something more
elaborate?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Of course I meant that the boats were drawn for _Rudder_, where T. F. Day
was editor.
was editor.
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:36:25 -0700, I wrote:
> ...
> There were two larger versions drawn for yachting by designers other than
> Mower, IIRC, they were called Naiad and Seagoer. Harry Pidgeon sailed a 34'
> Seagoer around the world a few times.
> ...
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Wow!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:
> I've uploaded the newer photos to my homepage.
> There are model photos and some information about the
> Seabird'86 design.
> look at:
>http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
> Stefan
>
Some magazines number pages starting with one for the first page of the
January issue and continue consecutively thru the year.
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January issue and continue consecutively thru the year.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
<snip>
> Sea Bird's drawings were
> in _The Rudder_ page 429
> November, 1901."
>
> Page 429!, I would love to read that
> boating magazine.
> The original Seabird was 25' long,Bolger 'updated' the Seabird with
> and was a collaboration
> between Thomas Fleming Day and
> C. D. Mower.
his Seabird'86, but LF Herreshoff
seems to also have updated it with
his 'H-28', featured in the book
_Sensible Crusing Designs_ quote:
"In a great many ways H-28, I suppose,
will be the successor to the Sea Bird,
designed by the late C.D. Mower for the
editor of the _The Rudder_, Mr. Thomas
Fleming Day...Sea Bird's drawings were
in _The Rudder_ page 429 November,
1901."
Page 429!, I would love to read that
boating magazine.
Herreshoff's H-28 also looks to be
a fine boat, and the chapter is a
good read too. [All Yahoo Bolger
Group threads end up talking about
toilets, don't they?] The H-28
chapter also includes a legondary
L.F. Herreshoff essay about the joy
of the cedar bucket.
On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 04:09 AM, dbaldnz wrote:
> Great photos Stefan, and a beautiful boat you have created.<image.tiff>
> Your heart must have been in your mouth when your ship was flying
> with the birds!
> The shots in a village......very charming....which part of the world
> is it?
> DonB
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:
> > I've uploaded the newer photos to my homepage.
> > There are model photos and some information about the
> > Seabird'86 design.
> > look at:
> >http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
> > Stefan
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@p...> wrote:
sitting Don :-)
I'll also second all the praise you've recieved Stephan for a lovely
rendering of the Bolger SEABIRD 86
Peter Lenihan
>which part of the worldI'll bet he's on the opposite side of the globe from where you're
> is it?
sitting Don :-)
I'll also second all the praise you've recieved Stephan for a lovely
rendering of the Bolger SEABIRD 86
Peter Lenihan
Great photos Stefan, and a beautiful boat you have created.
Your heart must have been in your mouth when your ship was flying
with the birds!
The shots in a village......very charming....which part of the world
is it?
DonB
Your heart must have been in your mouth when your ship was flying
with the birds!
The shots in a village......very charming....which part of the world
is it?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:
> I've uploaded the newer photos to my homepage.
> There are model photos and some information about the
> Seabird'86 design.
> look at:
>http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
> Stefan
I've uploaded the newer photos to my homepage.
There are model photos and some information about the
Seabird'86 design.
look at:
http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
Stefan
There are model photos and some information about the
Seabird'86 design.
look at:
http://ca.geocities.com/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
>
>
> dbaldnz wrote:
>
> > Oh, I only meant the deckhouse was very similar to the one on the
> > pilot house version of Chebacco.......not the hulls.
> > I am sure the Pilot house Chebacco, shown as the wallpaper
> > background to the class news is similar?
>
> Yes, that is if the one on the wallpaper is Richard's CLC, which I
> understand is his design and construction, not Bolger's. Maybe
Richard
> will clarify.
>
> The Bolger pilothouse for Seabird '86 can be seen here (I hope)
>http://tinyurl.com/oscz
>
> I don't have a postable sketch of Bolger's Chebacco pilothouse....
but
> it's a much longer house, much more useful interior space.
>
> Rick-
>
> >
> > I will be interested to see your models.
> > DonB
Close, but that's one of the later versions of the design. The original
Seabird was 25' long, and was a collaboration between Thomas Fleming Day and
C. D. Mower. Day sailed the prototype across the Atlantic in 1910, or
thereabouts, to show that deep see yachting wasn't just for rich folks.
There were two larger versions drawn for yachting by designers other than
Mower, IIRC, they were called Naiad and Seagoer. Harry Pidgeon sailed a 34'
Seagoer around the world a few times. Here are some shots of a Seabird now
hauled out at the Charleston shipyard:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-1.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-2.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-3.jpg
I think I saw a Seagoer at the Port Townsend festival earlier this month,
but don't recall if I got a picture.
Seabird was 25' long, and was a collaboration between Thomas Fleming Day and
C. D. Mower. Day sailed the prototype across the Atlantic in 1910, or
thereabouts, to show that deep see yachting wasn't just for rich folks.
There were two larger versions drawn for yachting by designers other than
Mower, IIRC, they were called Naiad and Seagoer. Harry Pidgeon sailed a 34'
Seagoer around the world a few times. Here are some shots of a Seabird now
hauled out at the Charleston shipyard:
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-1.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-2.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/images/Seabird-3.jpg
I think I saw a Seagoer at the Port Townsend festival earlier this month,
but don't recall if I got a picture.
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:31:01 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Cool, I think this is a picture of the
> Mower Seabird.
>
>http://www.mastermariners.org/p-duchess.html
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dbaldnz wrote:
understand is his design and construction, not Bolger's. Maybe Richard
will clarify.
The Bolger pilothouse for Seabird '86 can be seen here (I hope)
http://tinyurl.com/oscz
I don't have a postable sketch of Bolger's Chebacco pilothouse.... but
it's a much longer house, much more useful interior space.
Rick-
> Oh, I only meant the deckhouse was very similar to the one on theYes, that is if the one on the wallpaper is Richard's CLC, which I
> pilot house version of Chebacco.......not the hulls.
> I am sure the Pilot house Chebacco, shown as the wallpaper
> background to the class news is similar?
understand is his design and construction, not Bolger's. Maybe Richard
will clarify.
The Bolger pilothouse for Seabird '86 can be seen here (I hope)
http://tinyurl.com/oscz
I don't have a postable sketch of Bolger's Chebacco pilothouse.... but
it's a much longer house, much more useful interior space.
Rick-
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> I will be interested to see your models.
> DonB
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > I have to disagree with part of your comment below, the "nearly
> > identical" part.
> >
> > Although they share some similarities, like both are 5 panel
> plywood
> > construction, the hulls are very different. Seabird '86's hull
> sits much
> > lower in the water, Chebacco with a flatter bottom (wider bottom
> panel)
> > sits up on the water. The houses are quite different as well. I
> have
> > built cardboard models of both and will take photos of them side
> by side
> > and post 'em when I get a chance.
> >
> > Also, compare the numbers.
> >
> > Seabird '86
> > 23' x 7'9" x 2'6"
> >
> > Chebacco #2
> > 19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"
> >
> > Rick-
> >
> > dbaldnz wrote:
> >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...>
> wrote:
> > > > Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with a
> > > > dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a
> gaff-
> > > rigg
> > > > an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a
> dog-
> > > house,
> > > > navigator-like.
> > >
> > > Actually nearly identical to the pilot house version of Chebacco.
> > > DonB
> > >
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> update of the Seabird design, byThis Seabird II version is in one of Garden's books. I always thought
> William Garden
it had a certain charm and would have like to see one built.
Eventually a used boat showed up on Yachtworld that seemed to be the
same hull, or nearly, with a regular sloop rig and a different
interior arrangement. I have to agree **that** boat was non-descript.
Someone, in this group or another, reported discussing the design
with Garden. He showed no enthusiasm and suggested building a
Thunderbird instead. Right now, you'd probably be better off buying
and refurbishing a Cape Dory 25.
Peter
The current plans for Chebacco include a "cruising conversion," but not the
pilot house version. Personally, I much prefer the looks of the cruising
conversion.
My son seems anxious to get me out of the shop and onto the water, so he
sent me an ebay add for an Aquarius 23. It's twice as big as the Chebacco.
(2300 lbs vs 1200 lbs) What's the estimated displacement for the Seabird?
Roger
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pilot house version. Personally, I much prefer the looks of the cruising
conversion.
My son seems anxious to get me out of the shop and onto the water, so he
sent me an ebay add for an Aquarius 23. It's twice as big as the Chebacco.
(2300 lbs vs 1200 lbs) What's the estimated displacement for the Seabird?
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dbaldnz" <oink@...>
> Oh, I only meant the deckhouse was very similar to the one on the
> pilot house version of Chebacco.......not the hulls.
> I am sure the Pilot house Chebacco, shown as the wallpaper
> background to the class news is similar?
> I will be interested to see your models.
> DonB
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > I have to disagree with part of your comment below, the
> > "nearly identical" part.
> >
> > Although they share some similarities, like both are 5
> > panel plywood
> > construction, the hulls are very different. Seabird '86's
> > hull sits much lower in the water, Chebacco with a
> > flatter bottom (wider bottom panel)
> > sits up on the water. The houses are quite different
> > as well. I have built cardboard models of both and
> > will take photos of them side by side
> > and post 'em when I get a chance.
> >
> > Also, compare the numbers.
> >
> > Seabird '86
> > 23' x 7'9" x 2'6"
> >
> > Chebacco #2
> > 19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"
> >
> > Rick-
> >
> > dbaldnz wrote:
> >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...>
> wrote:
> > > > Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with a
> > > > dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a
> gaff-
> > > rigg
> > > > an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a
> dog-
> > > house,
> > > > navigator-like.
> > >
> > > Actually nearly identical to the pilot house version of Chebacco.
> > > DonB
> > >
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Bruce, there is yet another 'update' of the Seabird design, by
William Garden, which was sponsered by Rudder magazine if I remember
rightly, for home construction, around 1973. I never saw one built,
and as I remember (I have a photocopy somewhere), it was rather an
ugly boat with none of the usual Garden or Bolger charm, or the
original for that matter.
DonB
William Garden, which was sponsered by Rudder magazine if I remember
rightly, for home construction, around 1973. I never saw one built,
and as I remember (I have a photocopy somewhere), it was rather an
ugly boat with none of the usual Garden or Bolger charm, or the
original for that matter.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- dbaldnz wrote:
> > Seabird Variations
>
> I am confused, and have heard
> of the Bolger Seabird '86,
> which, I think, is derivative
> of an old Herreshoff [Nat or LF?]
> masterpiece from the early
> 20th century _Seabird_.
>
> Is the recent launch of a
> 'Seabird' the Bolger Seabird'86?
>
> Or, are their more than one
> Bolger 'Seabirds'? Which book,
> or which MAIB describes it/them?
Oh, I only meant the deckhouse was very similar to the one on the
pilot house version of Chebacco.......not the hulls.
I am sure the Pilot house Chebacco, shown as the wallpaper
background to the class news is similar?
I will be interested to see your models.
DonB
pilot house version of Chebacco.......not the hulls.
I am sure the Pilot house Chebacco, shown as the wallpaper
background to the class news is similar?
I will be interested to see your models.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> Don,
>
> I have to disagree with part of your comment below, the "nearly
> identical" part.
>
> Although they share some similarities, like both are 5 panel
plywood
> construction, the hulls are very different. Seabird '86's hull
sits much
> lower in the water, Chebacco with a flatter bottom (wider bottom
panel)
> sits up on the water. The houses are quite different as well. I
have
> built cardboard models of both and will take photos of them side
by side
> and post 'em when I get a chance.
>
> Also, compare the numbers.
>
> Seabird '86
> 23' x 7'9" x 2'6"
>
> Chebacco #2
> 19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"
>
> Rick-
>
> dbaldnz wrote:
>
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...>
wrote:
> > > Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with a
> > > dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a
gaff-
> > rigg
> > > an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a
dog-
> > house,
> > > navigator-like.
> >
> > Actually nearly identical to the pilot house version of Chebacco.
> > DonB
> >
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Don,
I have to disagree with part of your comment below, the "nearly
identical" part.
Although they share some similarities, like both are 5 panel plywood
construction, the hulls are very different. Seabird '86's hull sits much
lower in the water, Chebacco with a flatter bottom (wider bottom panel)
sits up on the water. The houses are quite different as well. I have
built cardboard models of both and will take photos of them side by side
and post 'em when I get a chance.
Also, compare the numbers.
Seabird '86
23' x 7'9" x 2'6"
Chebacco #2
19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"
Rick-
dbaldnz wrote:
I have to disagree with part of your comment below, the "nearly
identical" part.
Although they share some similarities, like both are 5 panel plywood
construction, the hulls are very different. Seabird '86's hull sits much
lower in the water, Chebacco with a flatter bottom (wider bottom panel)
sits up on the water. The houses are quite different as well. I have
built cardboard models of both and will take photos of them side by side
and post 'em when I get a chance.
Also, compare the numbers.
Seabird '86
23' x 7'9" x 2'6"
Chebacco #2
19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"
Rick-
dbaldnz wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with a
> > dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a gaff-
> rigg
> > an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a dog-
> house,
> > navigator-like.
>
> Actually nearly identical to the pilot house version of Chebacco.
> DonB
>
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Cool, I think this is a picture of the
Mower Seabird.
http://www.mastermariners.org/p-duchess.html
--- nohnpages wrote:
Mower Seabird.
http://www.mastermariners.org/p-duchess.html
--- nohnpages wrote:
> The original Seabird is not from
> Herreshoff.If I
> remember correctly, she is from Mower
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nohnpages" <nohnmusik@g...> wrote:
DonB
> Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with arigg
> dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a gaff-
> an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a dog-house,
> navigator-like.Actually nearly identical to the pilot house version of Chebacco.
DonB
Bolger has 3 versions of the Seabird'86. First a version with a
dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a gaff-rigg
an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a dog-house,
navigator-like. The original Seabird is not from Herreshoff.If I
remember correctly, she is from Mower designed in 1920's. I've no
access to my correct sources this moment.
The recent launch is a Bolger Seabird'86 with some modifications.
The mainly modifcation is to put the mast 3ft more foreward to fit a
junk rig.
Stefan
dipping lug sail and an unstayed wodden mast. Second with a gaff-rigg
an an unstayed alu-mast. Third, the gaff-rig version with a dog-house,
navigator-like. The original Seabird is not from Herreshoff.If I
remember correctly, she is from Mower designed in 1920's. I've no
access to my correct sources this moment.
The recent launch is a Bolger Seabird'86 with some modifications.
The mainly modifcation is to put the mast 3ft more foreward to fit a
junk rig.
Stefan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- dbaldnz wrote:
> > Seabird Variations
>
> I am confused, and have heard
> of the Bolger Seabird '86,
> which, I think, is derivative
> of an old Herreshoff [Nat or LF?]
> masterpiece from the early
> 20th century _Seabird_.
>
> Is the recent launch of a
> 'Seabird' the Bolger Seabird'86?
>
> Or, are their more than one
> Bolger 'Seabirds'? Which book,
> or which MAIB describes it/them?
--- dbaldnz wrote:
of the Bolger Seabird '86,
which, I think, is derivative
of an old Herreshoff [Nat or LF?]
masterpiece from the early
20th century _Seabird_.
Is the recent launch of a
'Seabird' the Bolger Seabird'86?
Or, are their more than one
Bolger 'Seabirds'? Which book,
or which MAIB describes it/them?
> Seabird VariationsI am confused, and have heard
of the Bolger Seabird '86,
which, I think, is derivative
of an old Herreshoff [Nat or LF?]
masterpiece from the early
20th century _Seabird_.
Is the recent launch of a
'Seabird' the Bolger Seabird'86?
Or, are their more than one
Bolger 'Seabirds'? Which book,
or which MAIB describes it/them?
There has been some interest in the Seabird here lately.
For those that may have not seen them, May/June issue of Watercraft
magazine has two tasty variations with a gaff sloop rig.
Especially appealing to some would be the pilothouse version, which
is a very pretty and practical looking boat. Plans $300 showing all
versions from Bolger.
DonB
For those that may have not seen them, May/June issue of Watercraft
magazine has two tasty variations with a gaff sloop rig.
Especially appealing to some would be the pilothouse version, which
is a very pretty and practical looking boat. Plans $300 showing all
versions from Bolger.
DonB