Re: which bolger design has
You might want to look at either Gypsy or the Thomaston Galley.
Both are just shy of 16 ft. I don't know if they can be lengthened
by 18" to make 17 feet. The Gypsy has an off center dagger board
while the Galley has a lee board. The Gypsy looks very cool but is
noted for its low freeboard and carries about 500#. Some Gypsy
owners have also commented on how crowded the boat can get with more
than a couple of adults. The Galley has far more freeboard and seems
to have a capacity of about 700#. The galley seems to allow more
room for people and from little I have been able to see includes more
room flotation/storage.
After posting an inquiry here I found out that the Thomaston
Galley is discussed and plans shown in Payson's "Go Build Your Own
Boat". I've already ordered a used copy thru Amazon. I believe the
Galley is not an instant boat (although from my research it doesn't
look that different or more difficult). The Gypsey is an instant
boat from 4 or 5 sheets of plywood. The Gypsy plans and a very full
construction discussion are in Payson's "Build the New Instant Boats".
Thanks to everyone here who answered my query, as expected I
tapped into a wealth of information.
Dan Amundson
Both are just shy of 16 ft. I don't know if they can be lengthened
by 18" to make 17 feet. The Gypsy has an off center dagger board
while the Galley has a lee board. The Gypsy looks very cool but is
noted for its low freeboard and carries about 500#. Some Gypsy
owners have also commented on how crowded the boat can get with more
than a couple of adults. The Galley has far more freeboard and seems
to have a capacity of about 700#. The galley seems to allow more
room for people and from little I have been able to see includes more
room flotation/storage.
After posting an inquiry here I found out that the Thomaston
Galley is discussed and plans shown in Payson's "Go Build Your Own
Boat". I've already ordered a used copy thru Amazon. I believe the
Galley is not an instant boat (although from my research it doesn't
look that different or more difficult). The Gypsey is an instant
boat from 4 or 5 sheets of plywood. The Gypsy plans and a very full
construction discussion are in Payson's "Build the New Instant Boats".
Thanks to everyone here who answered my query, as expected I
tapped into a wealth of information.
Dan Amundson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
> Get a copy of Boats with an Open Mind. One of the first essays is
about
> a small sailboat called, I think, Dart which has this feature. I
seem to
> recall Cartopper is a bit in this direction also.Neither of these
are
> anywhere near 17 feet, though. Bolger makes boats like this with a
big
> rudder to get the balance right. He says you can sail the Folding
> Schooner with just the mainsail! Anyway, if the board was too far
> forward you'd have weather helm, not lee helm.
>
> Thomaston Galley plans appear, along with building instructions, in
one
> of Payson's boatbuilding books. If you don't want to buy, I bet you
> could borrow a copy via interlibrary loan.
>
> > . R. Sloan" <jr_sloan@m...> wrote: --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
> > Mi'ki <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> >
> >>> the front of mast centerboard to save space on the inside,
looking
> >>
> >>
> >for a sailboat about 17 feet that has this feature
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >That's kinda scary--seems like that kind of structure would move
the
> >center of lateral resistance up forward of the center of effort
and a
> >HUGE lee helm. Maybe what you're looking for is a space-saving
> >leeboard model??
> >
> >Meanwhile, I'm trying to find plans for the Thomaston Galley that
> >Dynamite Payson is so sold on. Anybody have an old set, or one
they
> >bought but didn't use??
> >
> >JR SLOAN
> >
Get a copy of Boats with an Open Mind. One of the first essays is about
a small sailboat called, I think, Dart which has this feature. I seem to
recall Cartopper is a bit in this direction also.Neither of these are
anywhere near 17 feet, though. Bolger makes boats like this with a big
rudder to get the balance right. He says you can sail the Folding
Schooner with just the mainsail! Anyway, if the board was too far
forward you'd have weather helm, not lee helm.
Thomaston Galley plans appear, along with building instructions, in one
of Payson's boatbuilding books. If you don't want to buy, I bet you
could borrow a copy via interlibrary loan.
a small sailboat called, I think, Dart which has this feature. I seem to
recall Cartopper is a bit in this direction also.Neither of these are
anywhere near 17 feet, though. Bolger makes boats like this with a big
rudder to get the balance right. He says you can sail the Folding
Schooner with just the mainsail! Anyway, if the board was too far
forward you'd have weather helm, not lee helm.
Thomaston Galley plans appear, along with building instructions, in one
of Payson's boatbuilding books. If you don't want to buy, I bet you
could borrow a copy via interlibrary loan.
> . R. Sloan" <jr_sloan@...> wrote: --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
> Mi'ki <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
>
>>> the front of mast centerboard to save space on the inside, looking
>>
>>
>for a sailboat about 17 feet that has this feature
>
>
>>>
>>
>>
>That's kinda scary--seems like that kind of structure would move the
>center of lateral resistance up forward of the center of effort and a
>HUGE lee helm. Maybe what you're looking for is a space-saving
>leeboard model??
>
>Meanwhile, I'm trying to find plans for the Thomaston Galley that
>Dynamite Payson is so sold on. Anybody have an old set, or one they
>bought but didn't use??
>
>JR SLOAN
>
> so I am looking for lee boards or of to the side centerboard...Boats that you might take a look at.
Skillygallee is a larger (29') version of the the Black Skimmer
sharpie. The centerboard is offset to the side to clear the cabin,
though the interior is quite low and not what I would call roomy. See
30-Odd Boats.
Red Zinger is 25'+. The centerboard has been worked out to be "part
of the furniture", more or less. I think the boat would be great for
1 or 2 person cruising, but she doesn't really have lounging about
room. Boats With An Open Mind.
Seabird '86, of which Stephan has just show us pictures of a
beautiful example, is a fixed keel boat, but the draft is only 2'6".
If you really have to sail in shallow water, that could be a better
bet than a boat with a centerboard that is much deeper when lowered.
Boats With An Open Mind.
Jesse Cooper is 25' + cruising sharpie. She has a deep daggerboard,
and is just the sort of boat that needs deep water for the board as
mentioned above. However, if the shallow water is just for docking
and beaching, Jesse could be good. 30-Odd Boats.
AS-29 has a centerboard (bilgeboard) on each side. A big project, but
a major cruising boat once complete. Boats With An Open Mind.
Peter
Cartopper has this feature, but it is only about 11 feet. The large
rudder furnishes part of the lateral resistance.
rudder furnishes part of the lateral resistance.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mi'ki <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
> the front of mast centerboard to save space on the inside, looking
for a sailboat about 17 feet that has this feature
>
I had lee boards on my last sailboat and that turned out to be a terrible ordeal, they were noisy when anchored, and everything floating got caught on them and the docking along side turned out to scary as the boards constantly would get caught on the dock or the pilings, so I am looking for lee boards or of to the side centerboard...That is flat bottom to keep the shoal draft.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mi'ki <mike78612003@y...> wrote:
center of lateral resistance up forward of the center of effort and a
HUGE lee helm. Maybe what you're looking for is a space-saving
leeboard model??
Meanwhile, I'm trying to find plans for the Thomaston Galley that
Dynamite Payson is so sold on. Anybody have an old set, or one they
bought but didn't use??
JR SLOAN
> the front of mast centerboard to save space on the inside, lookingfor a sailboat about 17 feet that has this feature
>That's kinda scary--seems like that kind of structure would move the
center of lateral resistance up forward of the center of effort and a
HUGE lee helm. Maybe what you're looking for is a space-saving
leeboard model??
Meanwhile, I'm trying to find plans for the Thomaston Galley that
Dynamite Payson is so sold on. Anybody have an old set, or one they
bought but didn't use??
JR SLOAN
the front of mast centerboard to save space on the inside, looking for a sailboat about 17 feet that has this feature
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