Camper #640
Howdy
Has anybody built a Camper, design #640?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Has anybody built a Camper, design #640?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
David Ryan wrote:
over but can be righted by crew" or "self-righting". To get
self-righting in that sort of size is quite an ask. You need
ballast, something like the Micro, which is not really a small
boat at all, but a big short boat :-).
If you were happy to settle for something with plenty of
positive bouyancy that can be righted by an active crew
then the list of candidates opens up dramatically...
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> 1) Self rescuingNot sure whether you mean self-rescuing as in "will tip
over but can be righted by crew" or "self-righting". To get
self-righting in that sort of size is quite an ask. You need
ballast, something like the Micro, which is not really a small
boat at all, but a big short boat :-).
If you were happy to settle for something with plenty of
positive bouyancy that can be righted by an active crew
then the list of candidates opens up dramatically...
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Hi David,I have been over all previous postings,but it still isnt
clear to me how many people will sail and camp on your
projected trip,please give me a better idea about your project.
clear to me how many people will sail and camp on your
projected trip,please give me a better idea about your project.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> Just how hardy are you? And how comfortable do you want to
be?
>
> Hardy? No, no, no, that's not the idea at all!
>
> The only demand the trip and craft should place in the skipper
is the
> willingness to be patient if conditions are marginal. To that
end,
> time both in and out of the boat should be comfortable; warm,
dry,
> well rested, and well fed.
>
> The boat should be large enough to carry a proper camp: A
large tent,
> full kitchen, roll table, folding chairs, tarps and line enough to
> make things cozy even in the most torrential rain, an ice chest
or
> two full of fresh food, etc. I used to make very fine float-in
camps
> on the rivers out west, and we moved camp every night. On the
> proposed cruise, I'd hope to move camp no more often than
every other
> day. In between would be spent fishing, diving, and
lollygagging.
>
> Once camp is set, the boat should be handy enough to make
exploring
> the area around camp an inviting option. Stripped of her rig,
she
> should make a satisfactory motor skiff and/or row boat.
>
> On board sleeping should only be necessary in the event of a
> miscalculation or extremely bad luck, but should be
comfortable
> enough that no risks are ever taken to avoid it.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
> --
>
> C.E.P.
> 415 W.46th Street
> New York, New York 10036
>http://www.crumblingempire.com
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> Office (212) 247-0296
> OTOH, if you're rejecting the Micro as too complex, David, then400 pounds of lead. Humm forgot about that. In my wildest dreams I
> the Paradox may be too much boat. She's just 14 feet, but she's
> a very intricate 14 feet. She's also too much boat to haul across
> a beach fully loaded, with 400 pounds of lead and a full water
> tank.
>
> John Welsford has supposedly been looking seriously at Paradox,
> with an eye toward creating something similar. I'd love to see
> what comes of it, and that might fit the bill well, as would his
> Walkabout.
>
> -- Sue --
> (but is Walkabout self-righting?)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
hadn't counted on it being that much, that's near what is in
Blackskimmer. I have the plans, but looking would be cheating.
The main advantage over the Micro is that it is smaller, and no hot
lead (please say it is so).
I sure wouldn't try it unless I was doing a kind of SIKA challenge
thing where the end result is somewhat disposeable, and a lot of prep
has been done in advance. What an apauling thought, until it occurs
to me that there are no maintenance or storage hassles.
I was cabinetmaking in Freddy this summer, no home depot. Every
thing I thought would be a piece of cake or cheap had to be worked
out completely differently, with very different local supplies. That
is why I would want to take a lot of pre-cut stuff just to keep the
running around to a minimum.
Hitia 17 would be wet at times, so that is out.
> Matt Laydens 14 ft sharpie "PARADOX"My chief regret about building the _Shrike_ is that I can't really
>
> There is a Yahoo group. Plans are well drawn and cheap, and people
> do cruise them out there. It's totaly enclosed so like a
> birdwatcher it can be nocked down, and pop back up. It's a roller
> reefing lug.
justify having a Paradox, too, especially with an Insolent 60 on
the way. I'm half-tempted to build one anyway someday -- they're
beautiful, and clever, and safe, and utterly brilliant.
OTOH, if you're rejecting the Micro as too complex, David, then
the Paradox may be too much boat. She's just 14 feet, but she's
a very intricate 14 feet. She's also too much boat to haul across
a beach fully loaded, with 400 pounds of lead and a full water
tank.
John Welsford has supposedly been looking seriously at Paradox,
with an eye toward creating something similar. I'd love to see
what comes of it, and that might fit the bill well, as would his
Walkabout.
-- Sue --
(but is Walkabout self-righting?)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
Or sailing in company with my _Shrike_ at a messabout, as a preview
of when we have our I60's....
auxiliary has infinite range. And the daggerboard issue can be
solved with a block and tackle, and possibly Tony Groves' A-frame
that PCB was talking about. And they're easy to build.
Come on, you *know* you want one! :-)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>It would also look adorable following along in _Antichrist_'s wake.
> The Singlehand Schooner very nearly meets the above requirements,
> and would look grand scooning down the coast.
Or sailing in company with my _Shrike_ at a messabout, as a preview
of when we have our I60's....
> But wrestling with the...but no worries about fuel storage or availability, and oar
> daggerboard could be discouraging, and it would be a tight fit for
> sleep. No motor.
auxiliary has infinite range. And the daggerboard issue can be
solved with a block and tackle, and possibly Tony Groves' A-frame
that PCB was talking about. And they're easy to build.
Come on, you *know* you want one! :-)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Now that Garth mentions it, how about an AF3? I've taken Cream Cheese
on some trips where we had enough water and supplies to last the whole
week beach camping for our little family of four. Well ok, almost the
whole week. AF3 rows "ok" and drags onto the beach pretty well. She
is very roomy and dry for such a little boat. On the other had, she
is a bit tippy, but where do you find a light beachable non-tippy
rowing sail boat?
Frank
on some trips where we had enough water and supplies to last the whole
week beach camping for our little family of four. Well ok, almost the
whole week. AF3 rows "ok" and drags onto the beach pretty well. She
is very roomy and dry for such a little boat. On the other had, she
is a bit tippy, but where do you find a light beachable non-tippy
rowing sail boat?
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
> David --
>
> Are you sailing alone or with your family?
>
> "Paradox" may win this contest, but give a glance at Jim
> Michalak's "Mayfly 16." I have the Mayfly 14, and it's amazingly
> stable and able to carry heavy loads. The 16 is much beamier (5'6"
> vs. 4') and has a motor well, plus two 7'-long benches in the
> cockpit.
> The pivoting leeboard is a godsend -- you never need to tend it
> as you sail up onto the beach, or into an unexpected log, rock,
> sandbar, etc. It weighs 350 pounds -- not featherweight, but
> something that could be winched up a beach, or hauled back in by two
> people.
> You could fit lots of gear in the watertight compartments, and
> still have flotation enough for it to be self-rescuing. Live in it in
> bad weather (with a good cockpit tent -- windows of 30 mil vinyl?),
> sleep in it every night, and sail in most conditions short of Small
> Craft Advisory.
>
> Construction is simple enough that you could prefab most of it, and
> build her in a day.
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/mayfly16/index.htm
>
> Okay, I admit I'm projecting. I want one myself!
>
> Sounds like a great trip.
>
> All best,
> Garth
> (leaky roof in my barn and heavy rain have stalled Cormorant
> construction. New plastic tarp over roof may solve my problems. Two
> steps forward, one step back . . .)
David --
Are you sailing alone or with your family?
"Paradox" may win this contest, but give a glance at Jim
Michalak's "Mayfly 16." I have the Mayfly 14, and it's amazingly
stable and able to carry heavy loads. The 16 is much beamier (5'6"
vs. 4') and has a motor well, plus two 7'-long benches in the
cockpit.
The pivoting leeboard is a godsend -- you never need to tend it
as you sail up onto the beach, or into an unexpected log, rock,
sandbar, etc. It weighs 350 pounds -- not featherweight, but
something that could be winched up a beach, or hauled back in by two
people.
You could fit lots of gear in the watertight compartments, and
still have flotation enough for it to be self-rescuing. Live in it in
bad weather (with a good cockpit tent -- windows of 30 mil vinyl?),
sleep in it every night, and sail in most conditions short of Small
Craft Advisory.
Construction is simple enough that you could prefab most of it, and
build her in a day.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/mayfly16/index.htm
Okay, I admit I'm projecting. I want one myself!
Sounds like a great trip.
All best,
Garth
(leaky roof in my barn and heavy rain have stalled Cormorant
construction. New plastic tarp over roof may solve my problems. Two
steps forward, one step back . . .)
Are you sailing alone or with your family?
"Paradox" may win this contest, but give a glance at Jim
Michalak's "Mayfly 16." I have the Mayfly 14, and it's amazingly
stable and able to carry heavy loads. The 16 is much beamier (5'6"
vs. 4') and has a motor well, plus two 7'-long benches in the
cockpit.
The pivoting leeboard is a godsend -- you never need to tend it
as you sail up onto the beach, or into an unexpected log, rock,
sandbar, etc. It weighs 350 pounds -- not featherweight, but
something that could be winched up a beach, or hauled back in by two
people.
You could fit lots of gear in the watertight compartments, and
still have flotation enough for it to be self-rescuing. Live in it in
bad weather (with a good cockpit tent -- windows of 30 mil vinyl?),
sleep in it every night, and sail in most conditions short of Small
Craft Advisory.
Construction is simple enough that you could prefab most of it, and
build her in a day.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jim/mayfly16/index.htm
Okay, I admit I'm projecting. I want one myself!
Sounds like a great trip.
All best,
Garth
(leaky roof in my barn and heavy rain have stalled Cormorant
construction. New plastic tarp over roof may solve my problems. Two
steps forward, one step back . . .)
> I am nevertheless inclinedHow about a Tiki 26 for about the price of the materials?
> toward favouring Thomas's suggestion to go for a Wharram cat.
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?
checked_boats=1037688
Hmmm.... Assuming you have some desire to stay with a single hull and some
inclination toward PCB's works, how about Centennial II? A seaworthy sort
of affair...
Although I must say that Peter's suggestion of motoring about with a
prefabbed boat in pieces on the roof rack sounds intriguing. Mixed with
epoxy and the proper application of copious amounts of Screech, it may
serve....
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:58 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: A Boat for Newfoundland's South Coast
Just how hardy are you? And how comfortable do you want to be?
Hardy? No, no, no, that's not the idea at all!
The only demand the trip and craft should place in the skipper is the
willingness to be patient if conditions are marginal. To that end,
time both in and out of the boat should be comfortable; warm, dry,
well rested, and well fed.
The boat should be large enough to carry a proper camp: A large tent,
full kitchen, roll table, folding chairs, tarps and line enough to
make things cozy even in the most torrential rain, an ice chest or
two full of fresh food, etc. I used to make very fine float-in camps
on the rivers out west, and we moved camp every night. On the
proposed cruise, I'd hope to move camp no more often than every other
day. In between would be spent fishing, diving, and lollygagging.
Once camp is set, the boat should be handy enough to make exploring
the area around camp an inviting option. Stripped of her rig, she
should make a satisfactory motor skiff and/or row boat.
On board sleeping should only be necessary in the event of a
miscalculation or extremely bad luck, but should be comfortable
enough that no risks are ever taken to avoid it.
YIBB,
David
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inclination toward PCB's works, how about Centennial II? A seaworthy sort
of affair...
Although I must say that Peter's suggestion of motoring about with a
prefabbed boat in pieces on the roof rack sounds intriguing. Mixed with
epoxy and the proper application of copious amounts of Screech, it may
serve....
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:58 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: A Boat for Newfoundland's South Coast
Just how hardy are you? And how comfortable do you want to be?
Hardy? No, no, no, that's not the idea at all!
The only demand the trip and craft should place in the skipper is the
willingness to be patient if conditions are marginal. To that end,
time both in and out of the boat should be comfortable; warm, dry,
well rested, and well fed.
The boat should be large enough to carry a proper camp: A large tent,
full kitchen, roll table, folding chairs, tarps and line enough to
make things cozy even in the most torrential rain, an ice chest or
two full of fresh food, etc. I used to make very fine float-in camps
on the rivers out west, and we moved camp every night. On the
proposed cruise, I'd hope to move camp no more often than every other
day. In between would be spent fishing, diving, and lollygagging.
Once camp is set, the boat should be handy enough to make exploring
the area around camp an inviting option. Stripped of her rig, she
should make a satisfactory motor skiff and/or row boat.
On board sleeping should only be necessary in the event of a
miscalculation or extremely bad luck, but should be comfortable
enough that no risks are ever taken to avoid it.
YIBB,
David
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Just how hardy are you? And how comfortable do you want to be?
Hardy? No, no, no, that's not the idea at all!
The only demand the trip and craft should place in the skipper is the
willingness to be patient if conditions are marginal. To that end,
time both in and out of the boat should be comfortable; warm, dry,
well rested, and well fed.
The boat should be large enough to carry a proper camp: A large tent,
full kitchen, roll table, folding chairs, tarps and line enough to
make things cozy even in the most torrential rain, an ice chest or
two full of fresh food, etc. I used to make very fine float-in camps
on the rivers out west, and we moved camp every night. On the
proposed cruise, I'd hope to move camp no more often than every other
day. In between would be spent fishing, diving, and lollygagging.
Once camp is set, the boat should be handy enough to make exploring
the area around camp an inviting option. Stripped of her rig, she
should make a satisfactory motor skiff and/or row boat.
On board sleeping should only be necessary in the event of a
miscalculation or extremely bad luck, but should be comfortable
enough that no risks are ever taken to avoid it.
YIBB,
David
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415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Hardy? No, no, no, that's not the idea at all!
The only demand the trip and craft should place in the skipper is the
willingness to be patient if conditions are marginal. To that end,
time both in and out of the boat should be comfortable; warm, dry,
well rested, and well fed.
The boat should be large enough to carry a proper camp: A large tent,
full kitchen, roll table, folding chairs, tarps and line enough to
make things cozy even in the most torrential rain, an ice chest or
two full of fresh food, etc. I used to make very fine float-in camps
on the rivers out west, and we moved camp every night. On the
proposed cruise, I'd hope to move camp no more often than every other
day. In between would be spent fishing, diving, and lollygagging.
Once camp is set, the boat should be handy enough to make exploring
the area around camp an inviting option. Stripped of her rig, she
should make a satisfactory motor skiff and/or row boat.
On board sleeping should only be necessary in the event of a
miscalculation or extremely bad luck, but should be comfortable
enough that no risks are ever taken to avoid it.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
David,
I don't know how much time you intend on devoting to
building a boat once on "the rock" and your wish list appears to out
do some of Bolgers smaller boats.
Not wishing to insult our Hero, I am nevertheless inclined
toward favouring Thomas's suggestion to go for a Wharram cat.The Tiki
line( or is it the Coastal Cruiser?) is,I believe in the smaller
sizes,meant for stitch and glue construction.All your panels could be
cut out and stacked on a roof rack/rented trailer/rented van etc
which you would haul to "the rock". The large stable platform
afforded by these cats cartainly favours a comfy tent like structure
for shelter between the hulls,excellent performance under sail and
the possiblity of some paddling when the wind dies.
Multi-hulls offer the most bang for the buck,when
everything else is taken into consideration regarding your wish list.
Sounds like a neat trip you've planned there,eh?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Just how hardy are you? And how comfortable do you want to be?
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/walkabout/index.htm
You seem to have a smallish boat in mind. On the Bolger side there
are Oldshoe, the house version of Supermouse, the Japanese beach
cruiser, etc.
An easier alternative might be a cut-down rig for LSME.
Peter
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/plans/jw/walkabout/index.htm
You seem to have a smallish boat in mind. On the Bolger side there
are Oldshoe, the house version of Supermouse, the Japanese beach
cruiser, etc.
An easier alternative might be a cut-down rig for LSME.
Peter
Matt Laydens 14 ft sharpie "PARADOX"
There is a Yahoo group. Plans are well drawn and cheap, and people
do cruise them out there. It's totaly enclosed so like a
birdwatcher it can be nocked down, and pop back up. It's a roller
reefing lug.
Wharram Hitia 17. basicaly just two sea kayaks, though simpler in
construction. A Tiki 21 has sailed around the world (next size up).
The 17 is that much smaller, it would need a deck tent for
accomodations, but it ought to be seaworthy enough. It's a Gaff
rigged boat. I've never seen one with a poly tarp sail.
http://www.wharram.com/ctrek_photos/hitia17.shtml
Either of these could probably be built on site. Particularly if a
lot of the bulkheads, spars rudders were prefabed.
I'm having a hard time thinking of Bolgers in this size, that doesn't
require ballast,
There is a Yahoo group. Plans are well drawn and cheap, and people
do cruise them out there. It's totaly enclosed so like a
birdwatcher it can be nocked down, and pop back up. It's a roller
reefing lug.
Wharram Hitia 17. basicaly just two sea kayaks, though simpler in
construction. A Tiki 21 has sailed around the world (next size up).
The 17 is that much smaller, it would need a deck tent for
accomodations, but it ought to be seaworthy enough. It's a Gaff
rigged boat. I've never seen one with a poly tarp sail.
http://www.wharram.com/ctrek_photos/hitia17.shtml
Either of these could probably be built on site. Particularly if a
lot of the bulkheads, spars rudders were prefabed.
I'm having a hard time thinking of Bolgers in this size, that doesn't
require ballast,
David,
Seems to me what might suit is somewhere between Otter and Otter II Otter
1.5?); Otter II even has a somewhat Maine-ish look that seems suited to the
waters you mention. She's something of a pocket Black Skimmer; might be
more boat that you had in mind, but she shore packs in a heap of character
in 19'6"..
David Romasco
-----Original Message-----
From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:28 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] A Boat for Newfoundland's South Coast
FBBB,
I am enraptured with Newfoundland's South coast, and am scheming to
return next Summer and explore it in greater detail. My plan involves
driving to Port Aux Basque, building a boat, and then heading East,
using the outports along the way as stop overs.
The coastline is unbelievably rugged, but it is along riddled with
coves, inlets, backwaters, where you could run for shelter. There are
also coastal ferries that run on a regular schedule, and many small
fishing boats working out of the small villages spaced 20-40 miles
apart along the way. If you had problems help wouldnt' be too far
away. In the Summer the weather is generally mild and the water warm,
but the area is prone to fog.
This fog would likely be the greatest hazard of the trip. However,
armed with charts, GPS, radio, flares, and enough provisions to
comfortably wait out any spell of bad weather I believe the trip
could be made with as least as much safety as a trip from Montauk to
New York City via the Long Island Expressway. The question then is:
what boat? A kayak would likely be sufficient, but offers the chance
for the trip to become a test of endurance rather than a gentle and
pleasant cruise down a spectacular shoreline.
I believe the ideal boat would offer the following:
1) Self rescuing
2) Be primarily sail powered, with an auxiliary motor, but small
enough to be rowed a few miles.
3) Small enough to be dragged up a rocky shore with the aid of a come-along.
4) Large enough to carry luxurious camp supplies. In the event of
extended bad weather time in camp should be pleasant enough to
discourage tempting fate.
5) Large enough to sleep in when setting camp is undesirable or impossible.
The Singlehand Schooner very nearly meets the above requirements, and
would look grand scooning down the coast. But wrestling with the
daggerboard could be discouraging, and it would be a tight fit for
sleep. No motor.
A Birdwatcher might also fit the bill. Plenty of room for supplies
with plenty of room to sleep left over. But it's really more boat
than one person would need, and there's no motor.
You could do it in a Zephyr, but that invites having an adventure
rather than an outing.
A Micro is too complicated a build, and not a boat I'd want to try
and haul out over a rocky shore. Same with a Chebacco.
YIBB,
David
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Seems to me what might suit is somewhere between Otter and Otter II Otter
1.5?); Otter II even has a somewhat Maine-ish look that seems suited to the
waters you mention. She's something of a pocket Black Skimmer; might be
more boat that you had in mind, but she shore packs in a heap of character
in 19'6"..
David Romasco
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From: David Ryan [mailto:david@...]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:28 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] A Boat for Newfoundland's South Coast
FBBB,
I am enraptured with Newfoundland's South coast, and am scheming to
return next Summer and explore it in greater detail. My plan involves
driving to Port Aux Basque, building a boat, and then heading East,
using the outports along the way as stop overs.
The coastline is unbelievably rugged, but it is along riddled with
coves, inlets, backwaters, where you could run for shelter. There are
also coastal ferries that run on a regular schedule, and many small
fishing boats working out of the small villages spaced 20-40 miles
apart along the way. If you had problems help wouldnt' be too far
away. In the Summer the weather is generally mild and the water warm,
but the area is prone to fog.
This fog would likely be the greatest hazard of the trip. However,
armed with charts, GPS, radio, flares, and enough provisions to
comfortably wait out any spell of bad weather I believe the trip
could be made with as least as much safety as a trip from Montauk to
New York City via the Long Island Expressway. The question then is:
what boat? A kayak would likely be sufficient, but offers the chance
for the trip to become a test of endurance rather than a gentle and
pleasant cruise down a spectacular shoreline.
I believe the ideal boat would offer the following:
1) Self rescuing
2) Be primarily sail powered, with an auxiliary motor, but small
enough to be rowed a few miles.
3) Small enough to be dragged up a rocky shore with the aid of a come-along.
4) Large enough to carry luxurious camp supplies. In the event of
extended bad weather time in camp should be pleasant enough to
discourage tempting fate.
5) Large enough to sleep in when setting camp is undesirable or impossible.
The Singlehand Schooner very nearly meets the above requirements, and
would look grand scooning down the coast. But wrestling with the
daggerboard could be discouraging, and it would be a tight fit for
sleep. No motor.
A Birdwatcher might also fit the bill. Plenty of room for supplies
with plenty of room to sleep left over. But it's really more boat
than one person would need, and there's no motor.
You could do it in a Zephyr, but that invites having an adventure
rather than an outing.
A Micro is too complicated a build, and not a boat I'd want to try
and haul out over a rocky shore. Same with a Chebacco.
YIBB,
David
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FBBB,
I am enraptured with Newfoundland's South coast, and am scheming to
return next Summer and explore it in greater detail. My plan involves
driving to Port Aux Basque, building a boat, and then heading East,
using the outports along the way as stop overs.
The coastline is unbelievably rugged, but it is along riddled with
coves, inlets, backwaters, where you could run for shelter. There are
also coastal ferries that run on a regular schedule, and many small
fishing boats working out of the small villages spaced 20-40 miles
apart along the way. If you had problems help wouldnt' be too far
away. In the Summer the weather is generally mild and the water warm,
but the area is prone to fog.
This fog would likely be the greatest hazard of the trip. However,
armed with charts, GPS, radio, flares, and enough provisions to
comfortably wait out any spell of bad weather I believe the trip
could be made with as least as much safety as a trip from Montauk to
New York City via the Long Island Expressway. The question then is:
what boat? A kayak would likely be sufficient, but offers the chance
for the trip to become a test of endurance rather than a gentle and
pleasant cruise down a spectacular shoreline.
I believe the ideal boat would offer the following:
1) Self rescuing
2) Be primarily sail powered, with an auxiliary motor, but small
enough to be rowed a few miles.
3) Small enough to be dragged up a rocky shore with the aid of a come-along.
4) Large enough to carry luxurious camp supplies. In the event of
extended bad weather time in camp should be pleasant enough to
discourage tempting fate.
5) Large enough to sleep in when setting camp is undesirable or impossible.
The Singlehand Schooner very nearly meets the above requirements, and
would look grand scooning down the coast. But wrestling with the
daggerboard could be discouraging, and it would be a tight fit for
sleep. No motor.
A Birdwatcher might also fit the bill. Plenty of room for supplies
with plenty of room to sleep left over. But it's really more boat
than one person would need, and there's no motor.
You could do it in a Zephyr, but that invites having an adventure
rather than an outing.
A Micro is too complicated a build, and not a boat I'd want to try
and haul out over a rocky shore. Same with a Chebacco.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
I am enraptured with Newfoundland's South coast, and am scheming to
return next Summer and explore it in greater detail. My plan involves
driving to Port Aux Basque, building a boat, and then heading East,
using the outports along the way as stop overs.
The coastline is unbelievably rugged, but it is along riddled with
coves, inlets, backwaters, where you could run for shelter. There are
also coastal ferries that run on a regular schedule, and many small
fishing boats working out of the small villages spaced 20-40 miles
apart along the way. If you had problems help wouldnt' be too far
away. In the Summer the weather is generally mild and the water warm,
but the area is prone to fog.
This fog would likely be the greatest hazard of the trip. However,
armed with charts, GPS, radio, flares, and enough provisions to
comfortably wait out any spell of bad weather I believe the trip
could be made with as least as much safety as a trip from Montauk to
New York City via the Long Island Expressway. The question then is:
what boat? A kayak would likely be sufficient, but offers the chance
for the trip to become a test of endurance rather than a gentle and
pleasant cruise down a spectacular shoreline.
I believe the ideal boat would offer the following:
1) Self rescuing
2) Be primarily sail powered, with an auxiliary motor, but small
enough to be rowed a few miles.
3) Small enough to be dragged up a rocky shore with the aid of a come-along.
4) Large enough to carry luxurious camp supplies. In the event of
extended bad weather time in camp should be pleasant enough to
discourage tempting fate.
5) Large enough to sleep in when setting camp is undesirable or impossible.
The Singlehand Schooner very nearly meets the above requirements, and
would look grand scooning down the coast. But wrestling with the
daggerboard could be discouraging, and it would be a tight fit for
sleep. No motor.
A Birdwatcher might also fit the bill. Plenty of room for supplies
with plenty of room to sleep left over. But it's really more boat
than one person would need, and there's no motor.
You could do it in a Zephyr, but that invites having an adventure
rather than an outing.
A Micro is too complicated a build, and not a boat I'd want to try
and haul out over a rocky shore. Same with a Chebacco.
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296