Re: [bolger] Re: More on Alisa - and thanks!
Frank, Where is landenberg, PA. Maybe I could swing by and look at it. I have a little experience restoring and alot of glue mixing experience.
Don
Easton, PA
Frank San Miguel <sanmi@...> wrote:
interesting ...
Thanks again to everyone. Needless to say, Alisa is no longer for
sale. I'm going to take some time to think about my next steps.
Frank
Landenbgerg, PA
Don
Easton, PA
Frank San Miguel <sanmi@...> wrote:
interesting ...
Thanks again to everyone. Needless to say, Alisa is no longer for
sale. I'm going to take some time to think about my next steps.
Frank
Landenbgerg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree wrote:
> Then connect the new "ballast tanks" with some pipe and a pump so you
> can transfer the water to the windward rail...
>
> Rick-
>
> vexatious2001 wrote:
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> >
> > >
> >
> > Actually, if leeboards were used, one really would not
> > need to rip-out the old trunks; just sheath over their
> > openings.
> >
> >
> > Max
> >
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interesting ...
Thanks again to everyone. Needless to say, Alisa is no longer for
sale. I'm going to take some time to think about my next steps.
Frank
Landenbgerg, PA
Thanks again to everyone. Needless to say, Alisa is no longer for
sale. I'm going to take some time to think about my next steps.
Frank
Landenbgerg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> Then connect the new "ballast tanks" with some pipe and a pump so you
> can transfer the water to the windward rail...
>
> Rick-
>
> vexatious2001 wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> >
> > Actually, if leeboards were used, one really would not
> > need to rip-out the old trunks; just sheath over their
> > openings.
> >
> >
> > Max
> >
Then connect the new "ballast tanks" with some pipe and a pump so you
can transfer the water to the windward rail...
Rick-
vexatious2001 wrote:
can transfer the water to the windward rail...
Rick-
vexatious2001 wrote:
>
> >
>
> Actually, if leeboards were used, one really would not
> need to rip-out the old trunks; just sheath over their
> openings.
>
>
> Max
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvacanti" <mike_vacanti@h...> wrote:
need to rip-out the old trunks; just sheath over their
openings.
Max
> Does it make any sense to rip out the bilge board cases but notthat
> replace them? You could use leeboards instead. Doesn't seem like
> big of a change to me and would probable save you a lot of work. ItActually, if leeboards were used, one really would not
> would also eliminate the leaks in the bilge board cases permanently.
>
> -Mike
>
>
need to rip-out the old trunks; just sheath over their
openings.
Max
Does it make any sense to rip out the bilge board cases but not
replace them? You could use leeboards instead. Doesn't seem like that
big of a change to me and would probable save you a lot of work. It
would also eliminate the leaks in the bilge board cases permanently.
-Mike
replace them? You could use leeboards instead. Doesn't seem like that
big of a change to me and would probable save you a lot of work. It
would also eliminate the leaks in the bilge board cases permanently.
-Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> I extend my sincere thanks to all who have made suggestions.
>
> Here's a summary of the responses so far:
> - build a new bottom and place the superstructure on top
> - replace affected areas with stitch and glue style radius chine
> - cover the whole thing in fiberglass ("Covering Wooden Boats With
> Fiberglass," by Allan H. Vaitses )
> - cover it with some more plywood (George Bueller)
>
> Alisa has leaker her whole life. When I bought Alisa, I was
confident
> that I could fix the leaking, but that has proven overly
optimistic.
> I think most of the damage has happened since coming to Maryland
with
> our heat and humidity. Here's where the water came from:
>
> 1. leaks from the chines. The chines were only radiused .5" but the
> drawings called for a 1" radius. I've got more detail about my
> repairs to the chines on my website (
>http://www.geocities.com/sanmi/alisa/refit-report-2002/refit-report-
2002.html
> ). I fixed that problem last year.
>
> 2. leaks from the bilgeboard cases
> This is the one that got me. The cases just weren't watertight from
> the very beginning (they are kind of complicated). I don't have
> sufficient access get in there to fix these problems, and its too
late
> besides.
>
< big snip >
>
> Frank
Rather than go at the bilgeboard cases from inside the boat, have you
considered pulling the boards and taking a router to the hull sides
working from the chine up until beyond the rot?
Rick-
considered pulling the boards and taking a router to the hull sides
working from the chine up until beyond the rot?
Rick-
>
>
> The real difficulty in fixing Alisa is that the bilgeboard cases need
> to be completely re-done, so I'd need to remove the bilgeboards, cut
> out all of the galley cabinetry, icebox, two bulkheads and the actual
> bilge board cases themselves just to get access to the affected areas.
> After that, I'd need to take a look at the bottom and decide how much
> to repair or replace.
>
> Frank
>
I extend my sincere thanks to all who have made suggestions.
Here's a summary of the responses so far:
- build a new bottom and place the superstructure on top
- replace affected areas with stitch and glue style radius chine
- cover the whole thing in fiberglass ("Covering Wooden Boats With
Fiberglass," by Allan H. Vaitses )
- cover it with some more plywood (George Bueller)
Alisa has leaker her whole life. When I bought Alisa, I was confident
that I could fix the leaking, but that has proven overly optimistic.
I think most of the damage has happened since coming to Maryland with
our heat and humidity. Here's where the water came from:
1. leaks from the chines. The chines were only radiused .5" but the
drawings called for a 1" radius. I've got more detail about my
repairs to the chines on my website (
http://www.geocities.com/sanmi/alisa/refit-report-2002/refit-report-2002.html
). I fixed that problem last year.
2. leaks from the bilgeboard cases
This is the one that got me. The cases just weren't watertight from
the very beginning (they are kind of complicated). I don't have
sufficient access get in there to fix these problems, and its too late
besides.
3. minor leaks through the sheathing.
The boat is ACX fir plywood and there are little dark pinhole spots
where water has penetrating into the voids in the plywood. This water
never makes it into the cabin I don't think that this has caused any
damage yet because I've checked a few of these areas and haven't found
anything, but I'd build a big boat like AS-29 out of marine grade
stuff based on this experience.
I do feel that epoxy encapsulation is the right thing to do. But some
parts had it gooped on 1/8" thick or more which made it hard to detect
the damage. Of course the problem was obvious all along (water). I
just couldn't see the actual results of the damage.
The real difficulty in fixing Alisa is that the bilgeboard cases need
to be completely re-done, so I'd need to remove the bilgeboards, cut
out all of the galley cabinetry, icebox, two bulkheads and the actual
bilge board cases themselves just to get access to the affected areas.
After that, I'd need to take a look at the bottom and decide how much
to repair or replace.
Frank
Here's a summary of the responses so far:
- build a new bottom and place the superstructure on top
- replace affected areas with stitch and glue style radius chine
- cover the whole thing in fiberglass ("Covering Wooden Boats With
Fiberglass," by Allan H. Vaitses )
- cover it with some more plywood (George Bueller)
Alisa has leaker her whole life. When I bought Alisa, I was confident
that I could fix the leaking, but that has proven overly optimistic.
I think most of the damage has happened since coming to Maryland with
our heat and humidity. Here's where the water came from:
1. leaks from the chines. The chines were only radiused .5" but the
drawings called for a 1" radius. I've got more detail about my
repairs to the chines on my website (
http://www.geocities.com/sanmi/alisa/refit-report-2002/refit-report-2002.html
). I fixed that problem last year.
2. leaks from the bilgeboard cases
This is the one that got me. The cases just weren't watertight from
the very beginning (they are kind of complicated). I don't have
sufficient access get in there to fix these problems, and its too late
besides.
3. minor leaks through the sheathing.
The boat is ACX fir plywood and there are little dark pinhole spots
where water has penetrating into the voids in the plywood. This water
never makes it into the cabin I don't think that this has caused any
damage yet because I've checked a few of these areas and haven't found
anything, but I'd build a big boat like AS-29 out of marine grade
stuff based on this experience.
I do feel that epoxy encapsulation is the right thing to do. But some
parts had it gooped on 1/8" thick or more which made it hard to detect
the damage. Of course the problem was obvious all along (water). I
just couldn't see the actual results of the damage.
The real difficulty in fixing Alisa is that the bilgeboard cases need
to be completely re-done, so I'd need to remove the bilgeboards, cut
out all of the galley cabinetry, icebox, two bulkheads and the actual
bilge board cases themselves just to get access to the affected areas.
After that, I'd need to take a look at the bottom and decide how much
to repair or replace.
Frank