Re: Delmarva Boats
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
might just be something about the way that boat looks... :-)
Gav
> I think that the Expedition Mouse looks really stunning, and itaround
> comes awfully close to filling a brief that I've had floating
> in the back of my head for years now (i.e. a portageable campBoundary
> cruising sailboat that I could take to Algonquin Park or the
> Waters). Of course, I grew up around ILYA Scow fleets (C and E),I'd delighted to hear it! Now that you mention it, I think there
> and owned a Y-Flyer until last weekend....
might just be something about the way that boat looks... :-)
Gav
Gavin:
comes awfully close to filling a brief that I've had floating around
in the back of my head for years now (i.e. a portageable camp
cruising sailboat that I could take to Algonquin Park or the Boundary
Waters). Of course, I grew up around ILYA Scow fleets (C and E),
and owned a Y-Flyer until last weekend....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I'm tickled by the thought that Craig thinks my aesthetic sense isI think that the Expedition Mouse looks really stunning, and it
> odd - I'm struggling to think of a Mouseboat variant I've drawn that
> that shows any aesthetic sense at all that I can see.
comes awfully close to filling a brief that I've had floating around
in the back of my head for years now (i.e. a portageable camp
cruising sailboat that I could take to Algonquin Park or the Boundary
Waters). Of course, I grew up around ILYA Scow fleets (C and E),
and owned a Y-Flyer until last weekend....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "b_owen_ca" <mariner@n...> wrote:
are in the 14ft area of the files section at Mouseboats.
I'm tickled by the thought that Craig thinks my aesthetic sense is
odd - I'm struggling to think of a Mouseboat variant I've drawn that
that shows any aesthetic sense at all that I can see. But that's not
really the point with Mouseboats, is it? LOL!
Gav
> Craig, I remember something about X-Mouse plans but I can't findthem
> in the Mouse Boats files. Are these secret?Not at all - it's properly called the Expedition Mouse and the files
are in the 14ft area of the files section at Mouseboats.
I'm tickled by the thought that Craig thinks my aesthetic sense is
odd - I'm struggling to think of a Mouseboat variant I've drawn that
that shows any aesthetic sense at all that I can see. But that's not
really the point with Mouseboats, is it? LOL!
Gav
Craig, I remember something about X-Mouse plans but I can't find them
in the Mouse Boats files. Are these secret?
Bryant - Builder of Eileen the Fishermouse.
in the Mouse Boats files. Are these secret?
Bryant - Builder of Eileen the Fishermouse.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank, here's the X-Mouse, sort of a garvey-sneakbox via Gavin's
> odd esthetics! Anyway, it looks like fun.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese
Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Frank, here's the X-Mouse, sort of a garvey-sneakbox via Gavin's
odd esthetics! Anyway, it looks like fun.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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odd esthetics! Anyway, it looks like fun.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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Frank San Miguel wrote:
too greedy of bandwidth, too likely to show up on the company weblogs :-)
Seriously - the yahoo forum seems to be working fine, and gives us the
choice of web-based or mail-based access. I don't see any point in
investigating alternatives until such time as yahoo fails to meet our
needs.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> I'm an internet software "geek" and have been thinking for some timeIf we went to a web-based forum I would have to unsubscribe - too slow,
> about how to improve our community. Unfortunately, while we have our
> little bumps, I still think yahoo groups is the way to go for now.
> I've been investigating other types of community software like PHPNuke
> and similar weblog style packages. I know how to get these types of
> sites up and running. You can get a domain name and 500Mbyte storage
> for $60/year which sounds great, but the software just isn't ready for
> our style of interaction. At least as far as I have seen.
>
> I'd be interested to hear if any one else has thoughts on this subject.
too greedy of bandwidth, too likely to show up on the company weblogs :-)
Seriously - the yahoo forum seems to be working fine, and gives us the
choice of web-based or mail-based access. I don't see any point in
investigating alternatives until such time as yahoo fails to meet our
needs.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Craig,
Thats delmarvelous - thanks! We have been meanding to drive down to
Chestertown to see the Sultana (http://www.schoonersultana.com). I'd
love to see your birdwatcher - hurry up and finsh the mast :-) ...
AS-29, Alisa, is kept on the Elk River, just north of you. I decided
to build a mouse-boat and do some house work this weekend instead of
working on Alisa's chine logs. Alisa won't make it into the water
before the end of the season. Its my first stitch-glue boat. Its
working pretty well :-).
Frank
Thats delmarvelous - thanks! We have been meanding to drive down to
Chestertown to see the Sultana (http://www.schoonersultana.com). I'd
love to see your birdwatcher - hurry up and finsh the mast :-) ...
AS-29, Alisa, is kept on the Elk River, just north of you. I decided
to build a mouse-boat and do some house work this weekend instead of
working on Alisa's chine logs. Alisa won't make it into the water
before the end of the season. Its my first stitch-glue boat. Its
working pretty well :-).
Frank
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
> >By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
> >just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
> >covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
> >profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
> >be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
> >
> >Frank
> >Landenberg, PA
>
> Frank, we'll make you an Honorary Delmarva Webfoot. Now, if you're
> ever inclined to see a Birdwatcher, give me a yell, I'm just over the
> Sassafras R.
>
> However, give me time to get the mast finished (chuckle!)
>
> Do you have an AS29? And if so, where is she stored?
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
> The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
> The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
> Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
> American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
> Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
> _________________________________
>
> -- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
> -- Macintosh kinda guy
> Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
> _________________________________
> ---
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Hugo,
Perhaps you could try to join Bolger2 (and Bolger3) again. Note,
however, the following comments from the Bolger list home page.
Membership is moderated, with two ways to join:
1. Send an email to <bolger-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>, but ONLY if
your Yahoo profile has enough detail or history to tell you're
a "real" person and not a "spam bot", or
2. Send a short request directly to <bolger-owner@yahoogroups.com>
with enough comment to tell you're among the living.
Chris Stewart
(snip)
reason given why it was denied did make me feel a bit annoyed at the
whole process!!
(snip)
Perhaps you could try to join Bolger2 (and Bolger3) again. Note,
however, the following comments from the Bolger list home page.
Membership is moderated, with two ways to join:
1. Send an email to <bolger-subscribe@yahoogroups.com>, but ONLY if
your Yahoo profile has enough detail or history to tell you're
a "real" person and not a "spam bot", or
2. Send a short request directly to <bolger-owner@yahoogroups.com>
with enough comment to tell you're among the living.
Chris Stewart
(snip)
>for "Bolger2" to be informed that my membership was denied and no
> Then after waiting a few months with my membership 'pending'
reason given why it was denied did make me feel a bit annoyed at the
whole process!!
(snip)
While I haven't tried them yet, MSN now has groups like Yahoo's.
http://groups.msn.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
I forgot to mention - about the header: "time for something better?".
I'm an internet software "geek" and have been thinking for some time
about how to improve our community. Unfortunately, while we have our
little bumps, I still think yahoo groups is the way to go for now.
I've been investigating other types of community software like PHPNuke
and similar weblog style packages. I know how to get these types of
sites up and running. You can get a domain name and 500Mbyte storage
for $60/year which sounds great, but the software just isn't ready for
our style of interaction. At least as far as I have seen.
I'd be interested to hear if any one else has thoughts on this subject.
Frank
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http://groups.msn.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
I forgot to mention - about the header: "time for something better?".
I'm an internet software "geek" and have been thinking for some time
about how to improve our community. Unfortunately, while we have our
little bumps, I still think yahoo groups is the way to go for now.
I've been investigating other types of community software like PHPNuke
and similar weblog style packages. I know how to get these types of
sites up and running. You can get a domain name and 500Mbyte storage
for $60/year which sounds great, but the software just isn't ready for
our style of interaction. At least as far as I have seen.
I'd be interested to hear if any one else has thoughts on this subject.
Frank
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There's a great variety of designs. Once you get past the issue of
"stability" (in the servo mechanism sense, not the boat sense), it then
becomes a question of ease of use and reliability. One can buy complete
systems or lash/glue together pieces of PVC pipe, but all have to be
calibrated to your boat.
Walt Murray has a good discussion at
http://www.mindspring.com/~waltmur/Self-Steering/
I particularly enjoyed John S. Letcher, Jr.'s book "Self-Steering for
Sailing Craft," ISBN 0-87742-042-4, 1978. He discusses many different types
of self-steering arrangements, many involving use of the jib and main sheet
tensions for tiller input as well as a series of tests to determine
"stability" and "sensitivity."
Some other references:
http://netti.nic.fi/~poltsi/
http://www.backyardpublisher.com/sub4.htm
http://www.selfsteer.dk/(commercial product)
http://www.windpilot.com/(commercial product)
Have fun.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
"stability" (in the servo mechanism sense, not the boat sense), it then
becomes a question of ease of use and reliability. One can buy complete
systems or lash/glue together pieces of PVC pipe, but all have to be
calibrated to your boat.
Walt Murray has a good discussion at
http://www.mindspring.com/~waltmur/Self-Steering/
I particularly enjoyed John S. Letcher, Jr.'s book "Self-Steering for
Sailing Craft," ISBN 0-87742-042-4, 1978. He discusses many different types
of self-steering arrangements, many involving use of the jib and main sheet
tensions for tiller input as well as a series of tests to determine
"stability" and "sensitivity."
Some other references:
http://netti.nic.fi/~poltsi/
http://www.backyardpublisher.com/sub4.htm
http://www.selfsteer.dk/(commercial product)
http://www.windpilot.com/(commercial product)
Have fun.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Natalie Stanson" <mike78612003@...>
>
> On the subject of long distance cruising does any have plans to a small
wind vane for a 15 foot sailboat
>By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsyFrank, we'll make you an Honorary Delmarva Webfoot. Now, if you're
>just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
>covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
>profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
>be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
>
>Frank
>Landenberg, PA
ever inclined to see a Birdwatcher, give me a yell, I'm just over the
Sassafras R.
However, give me time to get the mast finished (chuckle!)
Do you have an AS29? And if so, where is she stored?
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www2.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
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Just to qualify my previous posting,
I'm sorry if I unintentionally offended the said Moderator of Bolger2 but I didn't realise that the moderation of these groups was undertaken by a group member ,but by some nameless yahoo official and his computer program software.
Yes , I was annoyed at being denied access to this group(Bolger2) as I've often been frustrated when people in the "Bolger" group refer to photos or files in Bolger2 in their postings and I can't access them.
Then after waiting a few months with my membership 'pending' for "Bolger2" to be informed that my membership was denied and no reason given why it was denied did make me feel a bit annoyed at the whole process!!
I'm sorry if I upset Greg Carlson as I thought I was directing my anger at some nameless Yahoo official! I didn't realise he'd been having SPAM problems like we've been occassionally receiving at the "Bolger" group.
Frank San Miguel <sanmi@...> wrote:
Hugo,
Our moderator, Greg Carlson, is one of us and a volunteer - he's a
bolger fan, has built many bolger boats and has contributed much to
our group over the years. I can understand how you might be
frustrated because there is great stuff in bolger2. Our group doesn't
require much maintenance, but he provides it for us as gift.
By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
Frank
Landenberg, PA
I'm sorry if I unintentionally offended the said Moderator of Bolger2 but I didn't realise that the moderation of these groups was undertaken by a group member ,but by some nameless yahoo official and his computer program software.
Yes , I was annoyed at being denied access to this group(Bolger2) as I've often been frustrated when people in the "Bolger" group refer to photos or files in Bolger2 in their postings and I can't access them.
Then after waiting a few months with my membership 'pending' for "Bolger2" to be informed that my membership was denied and no reason given why it was denied did make me feel a bit annoyed at the whole process!!
I'm sorry if I upset Greg Carlson as I thought I was directing my anger at some nameless Yahoo official! I didn't realise he'd been having SPAM problems like we've been occassionally receiving at the "Bolger" group.
Frank San Miguel <sanmi@...> wrote:
Hugo,
Our moderator, Greg Carlson, is one of us and a volunteer - he's a
bolger fan, has built many bolger boats and has contributed much to
our group over the years. I can understand how you might be
frustrated because there is great stuff in bolger2. Our group doesn't
require much maintenance, but he provides it for us as gift.
By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
Frank
Landenberg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> He'll be lucky if he can look at the files and photos in Bolger 2 as
the vile moderator of this group took 2 months to decide to tell me
that my application for membership had been denied for no reason
whatsoever!!!!.
> Is it still a functioning group?. It annoys me that I can't access
the files and photos in this group (Bolger2) as they are often
referred to on this group(Bolger)
>
> Hugo Tyson.
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That's why wind vanes/auto-pilots and radar detectors were invented.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cpt. Ed" <mvrosemary@...>
> Naturally, sail would be the way to go, however, I dont think sitting
> out in an open cockpit at night in the cold and rain is something I'd
> like to do for 3 to 4 weeks. I'd much rather sit in a warm cabin
> sipping some grog and playing chess with my mate......amongst other
> things ;)
Ok, so, I am a wishful thinker. However, I do believe the BG will make
an excellent Long Distance boat and yes, I did plan to have some sort
of auxillary sail power to go along with it. My Primary concern is
safety. Honestly, I dont want to get caught out in a hurricane or any
weather too bad, Naturally, a crossing COULD involve some nasty weather.
I have been looking at some Buehler boats, but I think for me, the
home builder, something along the lines of an instant boat, with some
beefing up can do the trick, considering the ease of building.
I have looked at the Tahiti and other large boats. I fear the building
process will not allow me to complete it. If I'm wrong, please set me
straight.
Oh, and for the speed, 10knots did seem a bit drastic, 7-9 knots would
do just fine. Its the fuel economy that I am looking for. As opposed
to endurance, its the range that I need. I need to get to the other
side as economically as posible.
Naturally, sail would be the way to go, however, I dont think sitting
out in an open cockpit at night in the cold and rain is something I'd
like to do for 3 to 4 weeks. I'd much rather sit in a warm cabin
sipping some grog and playing chess with my mate......amongst other
things ;)
an excellent Long Distance boat and yes, I did plan to have some sort
of auxillary sail power to go along with it. My Primary concern is
safety. Honestly, I dont want to get caught out in a hurricane or any
weather too bad, Naturally, a crossing COULD involve some nasty weather.
I have been looking at some Buehler boats, but I think for me, the
home builder, something along the lines of an instant boat, with some
beefing up can do the trick, considering the ease of building.
I have looked at the Tahiti and other large boats. I fear the building
process will not allow me to complete it. If I'm wrong, please set me
straight.
Oh, and for the speed, 10knots did seem a bit drastic, 7-9 knots would
do just fine. Its the fuel economy that I am looking for. As opposed
to endurance, its the range that I need. I need to get to the other
side as economically as posible.
Naturally, sail would be the way to go, however, I dont think sitting
out in an open cockpit at night in the cold and rain is something I'd
like to do for 3 to 4 weeks. I'd much rather sit in a warm cabin
sipping some grog and playing chess with my mate......amongst other
things ;)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Cpt. Ed" <mvrosemary@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
> making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
> crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section under
> Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser that
> will travel 4000 miles with 200 Gallons of diesel at 10 Knots. She
> could easily carry a crew of 2, perhaps up to 4 people this distance.
> Any thoughts on if this is possible with this design, and what
> horsepower requirements I would need. For example, is it possible to
> power her with an engine that will push her along at 10 Knots, hold
> 200 Gallons (burning 1/2 gallon hour) and still achieve these results.
> Or is this all wishfull thinking on my part.
> I chose the Black Gauntlett because of ease of construction and that
> I've already built an Instant Boat (See Surfer Girl).
> I do relize that I wont save much in Construction Costs, but save in
> time builing her.
> From my drawings, she'd look awesome on the water.
> I'd love some imput. Or perhaps there is another design along these
> line I could follow?
> Thanks,
> Ed
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Cockerham John H CONT KPWA
<JCockerham@k...> wrote:
looking for it in vain on the web. If anyone knows a site, that
woudl be cool.
Smal owner operable/buildable tris can motor SF to Hawaii on the gas
they can carry, one used just a pair of 9.9s. Kurt Hughes has a
motor tri he calls a kayak mothership that might be suitable. While
not diabolical (for one thing building cost and time hold reasonably
close to weight) it would I think be a harder boat to build than a
sharpie.
<JCockerham@k...> wrote:
> There was a guy, Raymond Haige of Newport if I remember correctly,that
> advertised in Boat Builder magazine. He had plans for ocean goingboats
> with a range of 4000 miles on about 200 gallons of fuel at 12-15knots. His
> boat were essentially 40 foot long kayaks using a small diesel andhaving
> minimal cabin space. His ads haven't appeared for sometime now, soI not
> sure if he is still in business.I always thought that was an interesting add, I spent some time
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
looking for it in vain on the web. If anyone knows a site, that
woudl be cool.
Smal owner operable/buildable tris can motor SF to Hawaii on the gas
they can carry, one used just a pair of 9.9s. Kurt Hughes has a
motor tri he calls a kayak mothership that might be suitable. While
not diabolical (for one thing building cost and time hold reasonably
close to weight) it would I think be a harder boat to build than a
sharpie.
I forgot to mention - about the header: "time for something better?".
I'm an internet software "geek" and have been thinking for some time
about how to improve our community. Unfortunately, while we have our
little bumps, I still think yahoo groups is the way to go for now.
I've been investigating other types of community software like PHPNuke
and similar weblog style packages. I know how to get these types of
sites up and running. You can get a domain name and 500Mbyte storage
for $60/year which sounds great, but the software just isn't ready for
our style of interaction. At least as far as I have seen.
I'd be interested to hear if any one else has thoughts on this subject.
Frank
I'm an internet software "geek" and have been thinking for some time
about how to improve our community. Unfortunately, while we have our
little bumps, I still think yahoo groups is the way to go for now.
I've been investigating other types of community software like PHPNuke
and similar weblog style packages. I know how to get these types of
sites up and running. You can get a domain name and 500Mbyte storage
for $60/year which sounds great, but the software just isn't ready for
our style of interaction. At least as far as I have seen.
I'd be interested to hear if any one else has thoughts on this subject.
Frank
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank San Miguel" <sanmi@y...> wrote:
> Hugo,
>
> Our moderator, Greg Carlson, is one of us and a volunteer - he's a
> bolger fan, has built many bolger boats and has contributed much to
> our group over the years. I can understand how you might be
> frustrated because there is great stuff in bolger2. Our group doesn't
> require much maintenance, but he provides it for us as gift.
>
> By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
> just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
> covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
> profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
> be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
>
> Frank
> Landenberg, PA
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> > He'll be lucky if he can look at the files and photos in Bolger 2 as
> the vile moderator of this group took 2 months to decide to tell me
> that my application for membership had been denied for no reason
> whatsoever!!!!.
> > Is it still a functioning group?. It annoys me that I can't access
> the files and photos in this group (Bolger2) as they are often
> referred to on this group(Bolger)
> >
> > Hugo Tyson.
Hugo,
Our moderator, Greg Carlson, is one of us and a volunteer - he's a
bolger fan, has built many bolger boats and has contributed much to
our group over the years. I can understand how you might be
frustrated because there is great stuff in bolger2. Our group doesn't
require much maintenance, but he provides it for us as gift.
By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
Frank
Landenberg, PA
Our moderator, Greg Carlson, is one of us and a volunteer - he's a
bolger fan, has built many bolger boats and has contributed much to
our group over the years. I can understand how you might be
frustrated because there is great stuff in bolger2. Our group doesn't
require much maintenance, but he provides it for us as gift.
By the way, while driving on the highway, I spotted a bolger gypsy
just north of Newark, DE, USA yesterday. It was almost completely
covered by a blue tarp but I barely see the bow and a little of the
profile - I had to turn around, park and walk up to it before I could
be certain. Not bad boat-spotting I'd say :-)!
Frank
Landenberg, PA
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> He'll be lucky if he can look at the files and photos in Bolger 2 as
the vile moderator of this group took 2 months to decide to tell me
that my application for membership had been denied for no reason
whatsoever!!!!.
> Is it still a functioning group?. It annoys me that I can't access
the files and photos in this group (Bolger2) as they are often
referred to on this group(Bolger)
>
> Hugo Tyson.
With MS Cargo boat (Bolger2-files-MS Cargo boat) you can carry 5.000
pounds of fuel. Going at 6 knots (using 8.8 HP of the 18 available)
you can make 1.400 miles. At 5 knots (using 3.5 HP) you can be make
3.500 miles. This is always in good weather. In bad weather it can
be half these miles, but sails can help you about wheater and
mechanical problems.
Pere
pounds of fuel. Going at 6 knots (using 8.8 HP of the 18 available)
you can make 1.400 miles. At 5 knots (using 3.5 HP) you can be make
3.500 miles. This is always in good weather. In bad weather it can
be half these miles, but sails can help you about wheater and
mechanical problems.
Pere
He'll be lucky if he can look at the files and photos in Bolger 2 as the vile moderator of this group took 2 months to decide to tell me that my application for membership had been denied for no reason whatsoever!!!!.
Is it still a functioning group?. It annoys me that I can't access the files and photos in this group (Bolger2) as they are often referred to on this group(Bolger)
Hugo Tyson.
Frank Bales <fbales@...> wrote:
Ed, you might want to take a look at Tahiti in the file called "Big Bolger
Boats" at Bolger2. It's a flat-bottomed passage maker for 2 crew (or
single-handing). While it won't do 10 kts (6.9 kts cruise),
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Is it still a functioning group?. It annoys me that I can't access the files and photos in this group (Bolger2) as they are often referred to on this group(Bolger)
Hugo Tyson.
Frank Bales <fbales@...> wrote:
Ed, you might want to take a look at Tahiti in the file called "Big Bolger
Boats" at Bolger2. It's a flat-bottomed passage maker for 2 crew (or
single-handing). While it won't do 10 kts (6.9 kts cruise),
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Ed, you might want to take a look at Tahiti in the file called "Big Bolger
Boats" at Bolger2. It's a flat-bottomed passage maker for 2 crew (or
single-handing). While it won't do 10 kts (6.9 kts cruise), it does have a
range of well over 5000 miles. Of course that's with 780 gallons of fuel,
not 200. Still 1 gph ain't bad. --Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: pvanderwaart [mailto:pvanderw@...]
The Bolger power sharpies are not recommended for ocean crossing
because of the possiblity of running into a hurricane (or similar)
for which they were not designed. Gauntlett, with her ballast, would
be better, but she is not what I would think of as a blue water boat.
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Boats" at Bolger2. It's a flat-bottomed passage maker for 2 crew (or
single-handing). While it won't do 10 kts (6.9 kts cruise), it does have a
range of well over 5000 miles. Of course that's with 780 gallons of fuel,
not 200. Still 1 gph ain't bad. --Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: pvanderwaart [mailto:pvanderw@...]
The Bolger power sharpies are not recommended for ocean crossing
because of the possiblity of running into a hurricane (or similar)
for which they were not designed. Gauntlett, with her ballast, would
be better, but she is not what I would think of as a blue water boat.
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If you are just dreaming, go for it,
if you are really serious about risking
it all bluewater crusing, ask PCB.
Doesn't the Sitka Explorer come close
to your wish list? 10 mpg 2,200nm range.
if you are really serious about risking
it all bluewater crusing, ask PCB.
Doesn't the Sitka Explorer come close
to your wish list? 10 mpg 2,200nm range.
There was a guy, Raymond Haige of Newport if I remember correctly, that
advertised in Boat Builder magazine. He had plans for ocean going boats
with a range of 4000 miles on about 200 gallons of fuel at 12-15 knots. His
boat were essentially 40 foot long kayaks using a small diesel and having
minimal cabin space. His ads haven't appeared for sometime now, so I not
sure if he is still in business.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpt. Ed [mailto:mvrosemary@...]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:16 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Long Distance Cruising
Hi,
I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section under
Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser that
will travel 4000 miles with 200 Gallons of diesel at 10 Knots. She
could easily carry a crew of 2, perhaps up to 4 people this distance.
Any thoughts on if this is possible with this design, and what
horsepower requirements I would need. For example, is it possible to
power her with an engine that will push her along at 10 Knots, hold
200 Gallons (burning 1/2 gallon hour) and still achieve these results.
Or is this all wishfull thinking on my part.
I chose the Black Gauntlett because of ease of construction and that
I've already built an Instant Boat (See Surfer Girl).
I do relize that I wont save much in Construction Costs, but save in
time builing her.
From my drawings, she'd look awesome on the water.
I'd love some imput. Or perhaps there is another design along these
line I could follow?
Thanks,
Ed
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advertised in Boat Builder magazine. He had plans for ocean going boats
with a range of 4000 miles on about 200 gallons of fuel at 12-15 knots. His
boat were essentially 40 foot long kayaks using a small diesel and having
minimal cabin space. His ads haven't appeared for sometime now, so I not
sure if he is still in business.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Cpt. Ed [mailto:mvrosemary@...]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:16 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Long Distance Cruising
Hi,
I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section under
Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser that
will travel 4000 miles with 200 Gallons of diesel at 10 Knots. She
could easily carry a crew of 2, perhaps up to 4 people this distance.
Any thoughts on if this is possible with this design, and what
horsepower requirements I would need. For example, is it possible to
power her with an engine that will push her along at 10 Knots, hold
200 Gallons (burning 1/2 gallon hour) and still achieve these results.
Or is this all wishfull thinking on my part.
I chose the Black Gauntlett because of ease of construction and that
I've already built an Instant Boat (See Surfer Girl).
I do relize that I wont save much in Construction Costs, but save in
time builing her.
From my drawings, she'd look awesome on the water.
I'd love some imput. Or perhaps there is another design along these
line I could follow?
Thanks,
Ed
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How long is Blackgauntlet? 35-40 feet? What's her displacement?
There is no way that boat is going to make 10 knots without a big
engine, and even then she's the wrong shape to go that fast. Lets
assume she's 40' LOA, with a WLL of 32'. At 1.3 * sqrt(WLL), she'd be
capable of running at 7.4 knots fairly efficiently. For best
efficiency, she probably ought to run at 1.1 * sqrt(WLL) or 6.2
knots.
Your goal of ten knots on 0.5 gal/hour (or 20 nm/gallon!) in a blue
water capable boat is going to be very difficult to achieve. It's
sort of like the old saying: you can have good, fast, or cheap; pick
any two.
A boat capable of running 10 knots at 20 mpg is going to be too light
to be seaworthy enough and carry enough stores for real bluewater
voyaging. I'm not even sure it's possible to run any bluewater boat
at 20 mpg at any speed without using sails.
There is no way that boat is going to make 10 knots without a big
engine, and even then she's the wrong shape to go that fast. Lets
assume she's 40' LOA, with a WLL of 32'. At 1.3 * sqrt(WLL), she'd be
capable of running at 7.4 knots fairly efficiently. For best
efficiency, she probably ought to run at 1.1 * sqrt(WLL) or 6.2
knots.
Your goal of ten knots on 0.5 gal/hour (or 20 nm/gallon!) in a blue
water capable boat is going to be very difficult to achieve. It's
sort of like the old saying: you can have good, fast, or cheap; pick
any two.
A boat capable of running 10 knots at 20 mpg is going to be too light
to be seaworthy enough and carry enough stores for real bluewater
voyaging. I'm not even sure it's possible to run any bluewater boat
at 20 mpg at any speed without using sails.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Cpt. Ed" <mvrosemary@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
> making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
> crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section
under
> Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser
I'm not sure if you are thinking of keeping the rig for a
motorsailer, or ditching it for a pure motorboat. If the latter, you
should consider that Gauntlett was shaped for sailing (i.e heeled)
and you can probably get better speed with less rocker. You could
look at the hull shape of Tennesee, for example.
The Bolger power sharpies are not recommended for ocean crossing
because of the possiblity of running into a hurricane (or similar)
for which they were not designed. Gauntlett, with her ballast, would
be better, but she is not what I would think of as a blue water boat.
I don't know what limits PCB would want to put on Seabird '86, but
she represents what he feels is a good approach to a simple
motorsailer. He has designed a couple larger boats with more or less
similar shape, such as Arava (Bolger 3) and the 39' yawl.
Peter
motorsailer, or ditching it for a pure motorboat. If the latter, you
should consider that Gauntlett was shaped for sailing (i.e heeled)
and you can probably get better speed with less rocker. You could
look at the hull shape of Tennesee, for example.
The Bolger power sharpies are not recommended for ocean crossing
because of the possiblity of running into a hurricane (or similar)
for which they were not designed. Gauntlett, with her ballast, would
be better, but she is not what I would think of as a blue water boat.
I don't know what limits PCB would want to put on Seabird '86, but
she represents what he feels is a good approach to a simple
motorsailer. He has designed a couple larger boats with more or less
similar shape, such as Arava (Bolger 3) and the 39' yawl.
Peter
Hi,
I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section under
Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser that
will travel 4000 miles with 200 Gallons of diesel at 10 Knots. She
could easily carry a crew of 2, perhaps up to 4 people this distance.
Any thoughts on if this is possible with this design, and what
horsepower requirements I would need. For example, is it possible to
power her with an engine that will push her along at 10 Knots, hold
200 Gallons (burning 1/2 gallon hour) and still achieve these results.
Or is this all wishfull thinking on my part.
I chose the Black Gauntlett because of ease of construction and that
I've already built an Instant Boat (See Surfer Girl).
I do relize that I wont save much in Construction Costs, but save in
time builing her.
From my drawings, she'd look awesome on the water.
I'd love some imput. Or perhaps there is another design along these
line I could follow?
Thanks,
Ed
I've been working with the plans of Black Gauntlett and considering
making her a powered cruiser for long distance travel(Blue water
crossings). Look at the photos that I put into the photo section under
Black Gauntlett(Bolger 3). What I'd like to do is build a cruiser that
will travel 4000 miles with 200 Gallons of diesel at 10 Knots. She
could easily carry a crew of 2, perhaps up to 4 people this distance.
Any thoughts on if this is possible with this design, and what
horsepower requirements I would need. For example, is it possible to
power her with an engine that will push her along at 10 Knots, hold
200 Gallons (burning 1/2 gallon hour) and still achieve these results.
Or is this all wishfull thinking on my part.
I chose the Black Gauntlett because of ease of construction and that
I've already built an Instant Boat (See Surfer Girl).
I do relize that I wont save much in Construction Costs, but save in
time builing her.
From my drawings, she'd look awesome on the water.
I'd love some imput. Or perhaps there is another design along these
line I could follow?
Thanks,
Ed