[bolger] Re: TransAtlantic -- Revised
Hi David,
Don't give up the dream. In life it is the journey, not the
destination that is what it's all about. The planning, investigation,
research, and dreaming, is what will make you successful when you get
around to doing it.
Your thoughts about Bermuda are great, but, wouldn't it be a tad
better to first make the run to Florida, and then on to the island. That
way, more than likely you will have other people doing the same thing,
at the same time and it is a great comfort to know someone else is out
there.
Just my 2 cents, Stan of the M-N-T, SG
PS: If all else fails we can get several Micros and make it a convoy,
but everyone will have to pitch in and help carry fuel for me. ;-)
Don't give up the dream. In life it is the journey, not the
destination that is what it's all about. The planning, investigation,
research, and dreaming, is what will make you successful when you get
around to doing it.
Your thoughts about Bermuda are great, but, wouldn't it be a tad
better to first make the run to Florida, and then on to the island. That
way, more than likely you will have other people doing the same thing,
at the same time and it is a great comfort to know someone else is out
there.
Just my 2 cents, Stan of the M-N-T, SG
PS: If all else fails we can get several Micros and make it a convoy,
but everyone will have to pitch in and help carry fuel for me. ;-)
"Multihull Voyaging" by Thomas Firth Jones is a good read on cruising the
Atlantic, including East Coast - Bermuda and return. He did it in a couple
of Wharram-type cats and a Crowther-type 33 foot tri.
Don Hodges
Atlantic, including East Coast - Bermuda and return. He did it in a couple
of Wharram-type cats and a Crowther-type 33 foot tri.
Don Hodges
David,
I had a Herreshoff Goldeneye (stretched Bullseye with cabin) that
had considerably less cabin room than Micro that had made the trip to
Ireland from Cape Cod. I have no idea how the guy did it, but the
fact is he did. My biggest concern for that kind of trip on a Micro
would be dismasting the boat on a rollover. Since there is no rigging
to help prevent the tips of the mast from bending, I am sure they would
snap. I think you could make the trip in any conventional sloop that
had a good watertight envelope, good bilge pump, and a secure rig. As
for your head, I think one would have to be out of their mind to do
this. My idea of crossing the Atlantic is on TWA and then charter a
boat in the British Isles or Mediterenean (sp). But planning is fun,
isn't it.
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3176
I had a Herreshoff Goldeneye (stretched Bullseye with cabin) that
had considerably less cabin room than Micro that had made the trip to
Ireland from Cape Cod. I have no idea how the guy did it, but the
fact is he did. My biggest concern for that kind of trip on a Micro
would be dismasting the boat on a rollover. Since there is no rigging
to help prevent the tips of the mast from bending, I am sure they would
snap. I think you could make the trip in any conventional sloop that
had a good watertight envelope, good bilge pump, and a secure rig. As
for your head, I think one would have to be out of their mind to do
this. My idea of crossing the Atlantic is on TWA and then charter a
boat in the British Isles or Mediterenean (sp). But planning is fun,
isn't it.
david ryan <davi-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=3176
> FBBB --list.
>
> Many thanks to those of you who have offered advice both off and on
>
> The notion of sailing to Ireland and scuttling my boat has been all
> but abandoned. Even with the most optimistic projects for potential
> salvage of hardware, electronics, etc. the price tag still comes in
> at well over $7,500 for the misadventure. Even that is too much, but
> I'd have been willing to pay it for the experience.
>
> Finding a crewing spot on a Europe bound boat is a reasonable
> suggestion. But after looking into it for a few days, I've come to
> realize that that is not the experience that stirs my soul.
>
> However, Jimmy Cornell's "World Cruising Routes" offers hope.
>
> Bermuda lies 650 miles SSE of Montauk. Not a whole ocean, but a
> healthy chunk of one. Although the Newport to Bermuda Race record is
> about 3 days, I think I'd be happy if I made it in 2 weeks, a time
> that would allow me to make the round trip and get my boat home where
> I could keep it, or sell it at my leisure.
>
> I've yet to give up the notion of doing it in a boat I made myself;
> and continue to find myself looking at the plans for the Seabird 86.
> Most of all, I admire her simple rig and long keel.
>
> I've also looked at Parker's "Pilot Schooner 28," recommended by
> Parker himself as a fit oceangoing vessel. About "Hagar," Beuhler
> writes "No, I wouldn't choose Hagar at all. Hagar is fine if you're
> 20 ys old and penniless. Otherwise, most of my other designs will be
> far more comfortable."
>
> I am tantalized by PCB's suggestion that the "Breakdown Schooner"
> could be made fit for duty outside shelter waters with heavier
> construction and a decked in bow. I'm a sucker for schooners (and
> more importantly, my wife is.) This weakness for schooners has
> sponsored a couple of day-dreams about making the run in a Single
> Handed Schooner, but perusal of the online resources related to
> crossing the Gulf Stream quickly put those day-dreams into the
> "stunt" category.
>
> Right now I'm most intrigued by the idea of crew comfort as a safety
> factor. Many of the things I've managed to do that I'm proud of, or
> have offered me some advantage have come at the expense of
> traditional levels of comfort. I slept in my car to attend summer
> school and finish my degree, I opened my first photo in an abandoned
> building.
>
> But as I imagine 14 days at sea, it strikes me that the lack of
> comfort and it's attendant fatigue could be a real factor in bad
> decision making. I suspect that a "Micro" would be capable of making
> the trip with not too much luck as long as the skipper kept his head.
> But could anyone keep his head after 14 days at sea in such a boat?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David Ryan
> Minister of Information and Culture
> Crumbling Empire Productions
> (212) 247-0296
FBBB --
Many thanks to those of you who have offered advice both off and on list.
The notion of sailing to Ireland and scuttling my boat has been all
but abandoned. Even with the most optimistic projects for potential
salvage of hardware, electronics, etc. the price tag still comes in
at well over $7,500 for the misadventure. Even that is too much, but
I'd have been willing to pay it for the experience.
Finding a crewing spot on a Europe bound boat is a reasonable
suggestion. But after looking into it for a few days, I've come to
realize that that is not the experience that stirs my soul.
However, Jimmy Cornell's "World Cruising Routes" offers hope.
Bermuda lies 650 miles SSE of Montauk. Not a whole ocean, but a
healthy chunk of one. Although the Newport to Bermuda Race record is
about 3 days, I think I'd be happy if I made it in 2 weeks, a time
that would allow me to make the round trip and get my boat home where
I could keep it, or sell it at my leisure.
I've yet to give up the notion of doing it in a boat I made myself;
and continue to find myself looking at the plans for the Seabird 86.
Most of all, I admire her simple rig and long keel.
I've also looked at Parker's "Pilot Schooner 28," recommended by
Parker himself as a fit oceangoing vessel. About "Hagar," Beuhler
writes "No, I wouldn't choose Hagar at all. Hagar is fine if you're
20 ys old and penniless. Otherwise, most of my other designs will be
far more comfortable."
I am tantalized by PCB's suggestion that the "Breakdown Schooner"
could be made fit for duty outside shelter waters with heavier
construction and a decked in bow. I'm a sucker for schooners (and
more importantly, my wife is.) This weakness for schooners has
sponsored a couple of day-dreams about making the run in a Single
Handed Schooner, but perusal of the online resources related to
crossing the Gulf Stream quickly put those day-dreams into the
"stunt" category.
Right now I'm most intrigued by the idea of crew comfort as a safety
factor. Many of the things I've managed to do that I'm proud of, or
have offered me some advantage have come at the expense of
traditional levels of comfort. I slept in my car to attend summer
school and finish my degree, I opened my first photo in an abandoned
building.
But as I imagine 14 days at sea, it strikes me that the lack of
comfort and it's attendant fatigue could be a real factor in bad
decision making. I suspect that a "Micro" would be capable of making
the trip with not too much luck as long as the skipper kept his head.
But could anyone keep his head after 14 days at sea in such a boat?
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296
Many thanks to those of you who have offered advice both off and on list.
The notion of sailing to Ireland and scuttling my boat has been all
but abandoned. Even with the most optimistic projects for potential
salvage of hardware, electronics, etc. the price tag still comes in
at well over $7,500 for the misadventure. Even that is too much, but
I'd have been willing to pay it for the experience.
Finding a crewing spot on a Europe bound boat is a reasonable
suggestion. But after looking into it for a few days, I've come to
realize that that is not the experience that stirs my soul.
However, Jimmy Cornell's "World Cruising Routes" offers hope.
Bermuda lies 650 miles SSE of Montauk. Not a whole ocean, but a
healthy chunk of one. Although the Newport to Bermuda Race record is
about 3 days, I think I'd be happy if I made it in 2 weeks, a time
that would allow me to make the round trip and get my boat home where
I could keep it, or sell it at my leisure.
I've yet to give up the notion of doing it in a boat I made myself;
and continue to find myself looking at the plans for the Seabird 86.
Most of all, I admire her simple rig and long keel.
I've also looked at Parker's "Pilot Schooner 28," recommended by
Parker himself as a fit oceangoing vessel. About "Hagar," Beuhler
writes "No, I wouldn't choose Hagar at all. Hagar is fine if you're
20 ys old and penniless. Otherwise, most of my other designs will be
far more comfortable."
I am tantalized by PCB's suggestion that the "Breakdown Schooner"
could be made fit for duty outside shelter waters with heavier
construction and a decked in bow. I'm a sucker for schooners (and
more importantly, my wife is.) This weakness for schooners has
sponsored a couple of day-dreams about making the run in a Single
Handed Schooner, but perusal of the online resources related to
crossing the Gulf Stream quickly put those day-dreams into the
"stunt" category.
Right now I'm most intrigued by the idea of crew comfort as a safety
factor. Many of the things I've managed to do that I'm proud of, or
have offered me some advantage have come at the expense of
traditional levels of comfort. I slept in my car to attend summer
school and finish my degree, I opened my first photo in an abandoned
building.
But as I imagine 14 days at sea, it strikes me that the lack of
comfort and it's attendant fatigue could be a real factor in bad
decision making. I suspect that a "Micro" would be capable of making
the trip with not too much luck as long as the skipper kept his head.
But could anyone keep his head after 14 days at sea in such a boat?
YIBB,
David Ryan
Minister of Information and Culture
Crumbling Empire Productions
(212) 247-0296