i signed up under
i signed up underbonsii@...but i cant access the net or the
picts, data base, and ive been going round and round trying to edit
stuff. my yahoo account isbonsii@...can this be fixed
picts, data base, and ive been going round and round trying to edit
stuff. my yahoo account isbonsii@...can this be fixed
I got it. All 50KBytes.
Now the hard part is not "fixing" it.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
Now the hard part is not "fixing" it.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "sctree" <sctree@...>
> And hey, can anyone out there save that database in case Yahoo does
> something funny?
Go to the group homepage look to the left and click on "Database"
you'll find close to four hundred of Bolger's designs listed with
info on most....
And hey, can anyone out there save that database in case Yahoo does
something funny?
Rick
you'll find close to four hundred of Bolger's designs listed with
info on most....
And hey, can anyone out there save that database in case Yahoo does
something funny?
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark <marka@h...> wrote:
> No, they don't.
> > does PB offer a list of designs and prices from the PB and Friends
> > mailing address?
>
> > Rob
No, they don't. ( Too much business would be distracting. )
You need to fax or mail them your request as noted below and, barring vacations, they will
promptly reply.
Let us know, please. Hope you enjoy the boat!
Mark
You need to fax or mail them your request as noted below and, barring vacations, they will
promptly reply.
Let us know, please. Hope you enjoy the boat!
Mark
> I expect most people in the is group would already know this, but
> does PB offer a list of designs and prices from the PB and Friends
> mailing address?
> Rob
When I bought my Chebacco plans a month or two ago, I asked for a price list
of plans from PB&F, and was told they did not have any such catalog.
Send a fax to PB&F at 978-282-1349 requesting price & availability for the
plans you're interested in. He's very responsive.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
of plans from PB&F, and was told they did not have any such catalog.
Send a fax to PB&F at 978-282-1349 requesting price & availability for the
plans you're interested in. He's very responsive.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@...>
> I expect most people in the is group would already know this, but
> does PB offer a list of designs and prices from the PB and Friends
> mailing address? I know some of his plans are available at the
> instant boats web site, but most are not, and I have not been able to
> find Jinni plans anywhere on the web.
I expect most people in the is group would already know this, but
does PB offer a list of designs and prices from the PB and Friends
mailing address? I know some of his plans are available at the
instant boats web site, but most are not, and I have not been able to
find Jinni plans anywhere on the web.
Thanks to all for your inputs.
Rob
does PB offer a list of designs and prices from the PB and Friends
mailing address? I know some of his plans are available at the
instant boats web site, but most are not, and I have not been able to
find Jinni plans anywhere on the web.
Thanks to all for your inputs.
Rob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark <marka@h...> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> The Jinni may be less popular because it has just about zero
marketing. And like any word
> of mouth proposition, the fewer built results in less excitement.
They're pretty much from
> the same era. Windsprint is #381, Jinni #426.
>
> I built WS as the largest craft I could imagine getting on top of
the car and have been
> happy with it -though never sailed; it's used as an electric boat.
The reputed
> seaworthiness of double enders was also attractive.
>
> While it's proved to have tremendous sprawl space, is safe in any
conditions I've chanced
> it, and always gets compliments for looks, there are times when the
slightly smaller
> Junebug would have been best; and for my purpose, a transom stern.
Also, I later developed
> a curiosity and taste for the "Square Boat" ethos. Jinni will have
slightly more
> displacement and because of the fuller quarters, slightly more
initial stability.
>
> If you like the Jinni rig, you won't go wrong with one. That's used
on many other tried
> and proven Bolger boats. Plans from PB&F.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
> > Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rob
With the floorboards and dry storage, the Jinni is said to weigh about 200 pounds, just
about twice the Windsprint. They both have about the same sail area, so with a narrower
bottom, I'll wager the Windsprint is the faster, at least downwind.
But the high peaked sail may be faster the other way. And Jinni is a very elegant, and
well conceived boat.
Once I added 6 cubic feet of foam and the plywood to contain it, mine got a bit much to
cartop by myself, even with first class gear, and especially at the end of a long day, so
I reverted to a trailer.
Mark
kinguq wrote:
about twice the Windsprint. They both have about the same sail area, so with a narrower
bottom, I'll wager the Windsprint is the faster, at least downwind.
But the high peaked sail may be faster the other way. And Jinni is a very elegant, and
well conceived boat.
Once I added 6 cubic feet of foam and the plywood to contain it, mine got a bit much to
cartop by myself, even with first class gear, and especially at the end of a long day, so
I reverted to a trailer.
Mark
kinguq wrote:
>
> I built and own a Jinni, although I don't get to use it much (it
> lives in Canada, I live in Norway...). Have never seen a Windsprint,
> but my guess is that the Jinni is somewhat bigger and more roomy. It
> is quite a good family sailboat, no problem with 4 aboard. But you
> would not want to cartop it.
> The plans show the pivoting boards, BTW.Craig,
I just have the old CSD study plan, but the alternate to the weighted, rope hinge boards
Daniel Pike used looks like a drop through a pair of battens daggerboard, not pivoting to
me. The kick up rudder is on the plan.
Mark
>I understandI'm sure Jim Michalak, who built and sailed one for a long time,
>it is an older design, and doesn't appear to be too popular.
>
>Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
>Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
could comment. I put Jinni on the Cheap Pages because it's so obscure
but seems to be a cool boat.
--
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>Also they canThe plans show the pivoting boards, BTW.
>potentially club you on the head during a capsize- no joke with
>about 10 k of lead in each one. I would recommend Michalak's
>pivoting leeboard with this boat.
--
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Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
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I built and own a Jinni, although I don't get to use it much (it
lives in Canada, I live in Norway...). Have never seen a Windsprint,
but my guess is that the Jinni is somewhat bigger and more roomy. It
is quite a good family sailboat, no problem with 4 aboard. But you
would not want to cartop it.
I built it with loose, weighted leeboards, one on each side, like on
the original Martha Jane. Its an interesting system but I wouldn't
recommend it for such a small boat. The main problem is that they
are not useful in righting the boat during a capsize. Also they can
potentially club you on the head during a capsize- no joke with
about 10 k of lead in each one. I would recommend Michalak's
pivoting leeboard with this boat.
The cat yawl rig is fun to use, but it depends what you want. If you
want something that's very easy to rig and sail, go with a single
sail rig like the Windsprint. But it is interesting to play with the
split rig.
The boat was relatively easy to build- it was my first. If I was
doing it again I would recommend thicker plywood on the bottom,
perhaps 3/8 or maybe even 2 courses of 1/4. It flexes a bit in a
chop.
My main problem with the boat is that the mainsail was apparently
not cut properly. It was made by a professional, but he probably had
no experience with sprit rigs. The upper third of the sail begins to
luff way too soon, so windward ability is not great. If I had more
time with the boat I would try to rectify this problem, but as it is
I only see it for a few days every year.
Best regards,
Daniel Pike,
Tromso, Norway, 70 N
Where it is getting darker every day...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@y...>
wrote:
lives in Canada, I live in Norway...). Have never seen a Windsprint,
but my guess is that the Jinni is somewhat bigger and more roomy. It
is quite a good family sailboat, no problem with 4 aboard. But you
would not want to cartop it.
I built it with loose, weighted leeboards, one on each side, like on
the original Martha Jane. Its an interesting system but I wouldn't
recommend it for such a small boat. The main problem is that they
are not useful in righting the boat during a capsize. Also they can
potentially club you on the head during a capsize- no joke with
about 10 k of lead in each one. I would recommend Michalak's
pivoting leeboard with this boat.
The cat yawl rig is fun to use, but it depends what you want. If you
want something that's very easy to rig and sail, go with a single
sail rig like the Windsprint. But it is interesting to play with the
split rig.
The boat was relatively easy to build- it was my first. If I was
doing it again I would recommend thicker plywood on the bottom,
perhaps 3/8 or maybe even 2 courses of 1/4. It flexes a bit in a
chop.
My main problem with the boat is that the mainsail was apparently
not cut properly. It was made by a professional, but he probably had
no experience with sprit rigs. The upper third of the sail begins to
luff way too soon, so windward ability is not great. If I had more
time with the boat I would try to rectify this problem, but as it is
I only see it for a few days every year.
Best regards,
Daniel Pike,
Tromso, Norway, 70 N
Where it is getting darker every day...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@y...>
wrote:
> I have been considering the Bolger/Payson Windsprint as an easy toabout
> build shapie. However I just came across the Jinni, which is
> the same size and seems to have a more interesting sailplan. Ihave
> only seen a drawing and one example of an actual boat. Iunderstand
> it is an older design, and doesn't appear to be too popular.
>
> Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
> Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
Rob,
The Jinni may be less popular because it has just about zero marketing. And like any word
of mouth proposition, the fewer built results in less excitement. They're pretty much from
the same era. Windsprint is #381, Jinni #426.
I built WS as the largest craft I could imagine getting on top of the car and have been
happy with it -though never sailed; it's used as an electric boat. The reputed
seaworthiness of double enders was also attractive.
While it's proved to have tremendous sprawl space, is safe in any conditions I've chanced
it, and always gets compliments for looks, there are times when the slightly smaller
Junebug would have been best; and for my purpose, a transom stern. Also, I later developed
a curiosity and taste for the "Square Boat" ethos. Jinni will have slightly more
displacement and because of the fuller quarters, slightly more initial stability.
If you like the Jinni rig, you won't go wrong with one. That's used on many other tried
and proven Bolger boats. Plans from PB&F.
Mark
The Jinni may be less popular because it has just about zero marketing. And like any word
of mouth proposition, the fewer built results in less excitement. They're pretty much from
the same era. Windsprint is #381, Jinni #426.
I built WS as the largest craft I could imagine getting on top of the car and have been
happy with it -though never sailed; it's used as an electric boat. The reputed
seaworthiness of double enders was also attractive.
While it's proved to have tremendous sprawl space, is safe in any conditions I've chanced
it, and always gets compliments for looks, there are times when the slightly smaller
Junebug would have been best; and for my purpose, a transom stern. Also, I later developed
a curiosity and taste for the "Square Boat" ethos. Jinni will have slightly more
displacement and because of the fuller quarters, slightly more initial stability.
If you like the Jinni rig, you won't go wrong with one. That's used on many other tried
and proven Bolger boats. Plans from PB&F.
Mark
> Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
> Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
I have been considering the Bolger/Payson Windsprint as an easy to
build shapie. However I just came across the Jinni, which is about
the same size and seems to have a more interesting sailplan. I have
only seen a drawing and one example of an actual boat. I understand
it is an older design, and doesn't appear to be too popular.
Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
Thanks,
Rob
build shapie. However I just came across the Jinni, which is about
the same size and seems to have a more interesting sailplan. I have
only seen a drawing and one example of an actual boat. I understand
it is an older design, and doesn't appear to be too popular.
Does anyone know anything more about Jinni, how it compares to
Windsprint, and whether plans are still available?
Thanks,
Rob