[bolger] Re: Another New Member Here (NW FL)
Don:
I built Phil's Tennessee, and I can say that the "state" boats are not
hard to build. They may be unconventional, but that is all in the
direction of economy. Light, easy on gas, and simple to build are the
hallmarks of these, and in fact many Bolger designs. Give the Idaho a
look.
Chuck Leinweber
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I built Phil's Tennessee, and I can say that the "state" boats are not
hard to build. They may be unconventional, but that is all in the
direction of economy. Light, easy on gas, and simple to build are the
hallmarks of these, and in fact many Bolger designs. Give the Idaho a
look.
Chuck Leinweber
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=32
> I am just joining the group, have a couple of PB's books andsubscribe to
> "Messing About in Boats", so I guess I qualify as "intrigued but notKayak, an
> fascinated" by Bolger designs. I have built a Glen-L single Sea
> 11'-6" jonboat from fiberglass over styrofoam blueboard (a mistake -the
> intent was to build a boat big enough to stand/cast in and lightenough for
> a 60-yr-old to handle in a pickup bed - it is OK for rowing butflimsy so my
> 6 hp outboard is destroying it in light chop on our bays - if I hadit to do
> over, I would just use 1/4 plywood and cut down the freeboard tolighten
> it - but I digress), a 6-foot ply dinghy to fit the cabin trunk on awhich
> smallish 30-foot sloop (it had a mainsheet traveler across the top
> took away the aft part for supporting the dinghy). Also own an18-foot
> outboard bowrider for casual use and inshore Gulf of Mexico fishing.(Oh,
> and the wife's Sunfish).30
>
> What I really need is another cruising boat, having rid myself of the
> footer. After years of leaning toward a multihull for the speed andshallow
> draft, I have realized since retirement that "just pointing it whereI want
> to go" and trailerability has a lot of appeal. I have alsoestablished that
> I don't need "runabout" speed, but the 12 mph or so I get on thejonboat is
> nice. So, I'm looking at trailerable weekenders/cruisers forhomebuilding
> in a reasonable time, inshore-Gulf capable with an eye to the weather(day
> trips). At the top of my list right now is Sam Devlin's 22-foot SurfScoter
> with a 40-60hp 4-stroke outboard. Downside: pricey! A used one ismy rule
> advertised for $42,000!! Frankly, I don't see the value there, but
> of thumb is homebuilding probably saves half - $20,000 is still toomuch.
> Has anyone here built, bought, or even investigated the SS?Tennessee-style and
>
> Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both the
> the Retriever-style. I can't bring myself to spend a year building aboat
> this "open-minded" in this size range. Does he have other moreconventional
> designs which might fit me, or do I need a sea trial to open my mind?of (or
>
> BTW, Gregg, my thanks too for this list and especially your design
> freeware - it's very generous and I believe you may be out in front
> at least among) a real discerning group in the "open source" softwarefunctions
> movement. When will you port it to Linux and let the devotees add
> <g>? If it would only mix glue, saw, sand, and paint!Tallahassee)
>
> Don Hodges
> Lynn Haven, FL (on the coast halfway between Pensacola and
>dhodges@...
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Retriever is a 22-foot "sedan cruiser" for outboard power, much as I
described on my wish list; it is relatively much wider and fuller forward
than the
Tennessee, and has a full length "cutwater" keel box . There has been one
advertised with a photo for several months in "Messing About", if you have
access to a copy. (I'll put subscription info at the end of this message -
required reading for small boat enthusiasts - I'm not an agent, just a
satisfied subscriber. I'll also try to put some (limited) scans from it on
my website - it is not copyrighted and I have an acknowledgement from the
editor that he has no objection to - or interest in - my "promoting" his
content).
There are two other derivatives on the "Retriever" hull, with different
cabin arrangements, but I forget the design names. Bolger also has a design
called a "fast motorsailer" in this size range, and maybe others... that's
what I was asking about, the others if any.
Subscription info for MAIB (Editor/Publisher: Bob Hicks, a recovering
motorcyclist, Assistant Editor: Hewlett-Packard Scanner, a black/white pulp
journal of small boating, 24 issues per year, $24 per year USA, $36 US
funds drawn on US bank or International Money Order - Canada/International):
Messing About In Boats
29 Burley Street
Wenham, MA 01984-1943
Don Hodges
Lynn Haven, FL
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Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:41 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Another New Member Here (NW FL)
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described on my wish list; it is relatively much wider and fuller forward
than the
Tennessee, and has a full length "cutwater" keel box . There has been one
advertised with a photo for several months in "Messing About", if you have
access to a copy. (I'll put subscription info at the end of this message -
required reading for small boat enthusiasts - I'm not an agent, just a
satisfied subscriber. I'll also try to put some (limited) scans from it on
my website - it is not copyrighted and I have an acknowledgement from the
editor that he has no objection to - or interest in - my "promoting" his
content).
There are two other derivatives on the "Retriever" hull, with different
cabin arrangements, but I forget the design names. Bolger also has a design
called a "fast motorsailer" in this size range, and maybe others... that's
what I was asking about, the others if any.
Subscription info for MAIB (Editor/Publisher: Bob Hicks, a recovering
motorcyclist, Assistant Editor: Hewlett-Packard Scanner, a black/white pulp
journal of small boating, 24 issues per year, $24 per year USA, $36 US
funds drawn on US bank or International Money Order - Canada/International):
Messing About In Boats
29 Burley Street
Wenham, MA 01984-1943
Don Hodges
Lynn Haven, FL
From:plea@...<plea@...>
To:bolger@...<bolger@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:41 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Another New Member Here (NW FL)
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>Don Hodges wrote:
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>> Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both the
>Tennessee-style and
>> the Retriever-style.
>>dhodges@...
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>I have seen the Tennessee-style but what is the Retriever-style? Any
>pictures or line drawings out there?
>
>Phil Lea
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Hi Don,
Unfortunate to hear about your blueboard experiment - it was clever and
sounded pretty good. I wonder if the styrofoam just doesn't have the shear
strength of urethane foams like divinicell/klegecell, etc. If it's
twisting apart, that's probably the case. Have you tried to stiffen it up
with thwart seats?
Devlin's boats are certainly pretty, but I think complex. What about
building Bolger's recent power trimaram for gunkholing on the ICW? (If
Devlin's are too fancy for the Gulf coast, the tri might go too far the
other way...)
The hull design freeware has been a lot of fun, and I've "met" some
interesting people.
BTW, you may know I'm from Tulsa, but I'm sitting on my boat just now in
Pensacola. We sailed outside to Panama City the other day (10.6 knots for
several hours before a big thunderhead ate up those 100 miles!), as we
can't unfortunately navigate the bridges on the ICW. Between the sand bars
and the bridges, it's tough down here (but beautiful)!
Gregg Carlson
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Unfortunate to hear about your blueboard experiment - it was clever and
sounded pretty good. I wonder if the styrofoam just doesn't have the shear
strength of urethane foams like divinicell/klegecell, etc. If it's
twisting apart, that's probably the case. Have you tried to stiffen it up
with thwart seats?
Devlin's boats are certainly pretty, but I think complex. What about
building Bolger's recent power trimaram for gunkholing on the ICW? (If
Devlin's are too fancy for the Gulf coast, the tri might go too far the
other way...)
The hull design freeware has been a lot of fun, and I've "met" some
interesting people.
BTW, you may know I'm from Tulsa, but I'm sitting on my boat just now in
Pensacola. We sailed outside to Panama City the other day (10.6 knots for
several hours before a big thunderhead ate up those 100 miles!), as we
can't unfortunately navigate the bridges on the ICW. Between the sand bars
and the bridges, it's tough down here (but beautiful)!
Gregg Carlson
At 12:48 AM 7/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I am just joining the group, have a couple of PB's books and subscribe to------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Messing About in Boats", so I guess I qualify as "intrigued but not
>fascinated" by Bolger designs. I have built a Glen-L single Sea Kayak, an
>11'-6" jonboat from fiberglass over styrofoam blueboard (a mistake - the
>intent was to build a boat big enough to stand/cast in and light enough for
>a 60-yr-old to handle in a pickup bed - it is OK for rowing but flimsy so my
>6 hp outboard is destroying it in light chop on our bays - if I had it to do
>over, I would just use 1/4 plywood and cut down the freeboard to lighten
>it - but I digress), a 6-foot ply dinghy to fit the cabin trunk on a
>smallish 30-foot sloop (it had a mainsheet traveler across the top which
>took away the aft part for supporting the dinghy). Also own an 18-foot
>outboard bowrider for casual use and inshore Gulf of Mexico fishing. (Oh,
>and the wife's Sunfish).
>
>What I really need is another cruising boat, having rid myself of the 30
>footer. After years of leaning toward a multihull for the speed and shallow
>draft, I have realized since retirement that "just pointing it where I want
>to go" and trailerability has a lot of appeal. I have also established that
>I don't need "runabout" speed, but the 12 mph or so I get on the jonboat is
>nice. So, I'm looking at trailerable weekenders/cruisers for homebuilding
>in a reasonable time, inshore-Gulf capable with an eye to the weather (day
>trips). At the top of my list right now is Sam Devlin's 22-foot Surf Scoter
>with a 40-60hp 4-stroke outboard. Downside: pricey! A used one is
>advertised for $42,000!! Frankly, I don't see the value there, but my rule
>of thumb is homebuilding probably saves half - $20,000 is still too much.
>Has anyone here built, bought, or even investigated the SS?
>
>Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both the Tennessee-style and
>the Retriever-style. I can't bring myself to spend a year building a boat
>this "open-minded" in this size range. Does he have other more conventional
>designs which might fit me, or do I need a sea trial to open my mind?
>
>BTW, Gregg, my thanks too for this list and especially your design
>freeware - it's very generous and I believe you may be out in front of (or
>at least among) a real discerning group in the "open source" software
>movement. When will you port it to Linux and let the devotees add functions
><g>? If it would only mix glue, saw, sand, and paint!
>
>Don Hodges
>Lynn Haven, FL (on the coast halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee)
>dhodges@...
>http://www.ecoastlife.comYour Cyber-Vacation on the Emerald Coast
>
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pictures or line drawings out there?
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> Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both theTennessee-style and
> the Retriever-style.I have seen the Tennessee-style but what is the Retriever-style? Any
>dhodges@...
pictures or line drawings out there?
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I am just joining the group, have a couple of PB's books and subscribe to
"Messing About in Boats", so I guess I qualify as "intrigued but not
fascinated" by Bolger designs. I have built a Glen-L single Sea Kayak, an
11'-6" jonboat from fiberglass over styrofoam blueboard (a mistake - the
intent was to build a boat big enough to stand/cast in and light enough for
a 60-yr-old to handle in a pickup bed - it is OK for rowing but flimsy so my
6 hp outboard is destroying it in light chop on our bays - if I had it to do
over, I would just use 1/4 plywood and cut down the freeboard to lighten
it - but I digress), a 6-foot ply dinghy to fit the cabin trunk on a
smallish 30-foot sloop (it had a mainsheet traveler across the top which
took away the aft part for supporting the dinghy). Also own an 18-foot
outboard bowrider for casual use and inshore Gulf of Mexico fishing. (Oh,
and the wife's Sunfish).
What I really need is another cruising boat, having rid myself of the 30
footer. After years of leaning toward a multihull for the speed and shallow
draft, I have realized since retirement that "just pointing it where I want
to go" and trailerability has a lot of appeal. I have also established that
I don't need "runabout" speed, but the 12 mph or so I get on the jonboat is
nice. So, I'm looking at trailerable weekenders/cruisers for homebuilding
in a reasonable time, inshore-Gulf capable with an eye to the weather (day
trips). At the top of my list right now is Sam Devlin's 22-foot Surf Scoter
with a 40-60hp 4-stroke outboard. Downside: pricey! A used one is
advertised for $42,000!! Frankly, I don't see the value there, but my rule
of thumb is homebuilding probably saves half - $20,000 is still too much.
Has anyone here built, bought, or even investigated the SS?
Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both the Tennessee-style and
the Retriever-style. I can't bring myself to spend a year building a boat
this "open-minded" in this size range. Does he have other more conventional
designs which might fit me, or do I need a sea trial to open my mind?
BTW, Gregg, my thanks too for this list and especially your design
freeware - it's very generous and I believe you may be out in front of (or
at least among) a real discerning group in the "open source" software
movement. When will you port it to Linux and let the devotees add functions
<g>? If it would only mix glue, saw, sand, and paint!
Don Hodges
Lynn Haven, FL (on the coast halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee)
dhodges@...
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"Messing About in Boats", so I guess I qualify as "intrigued but not
fascinated" by Bolger designs. I have built a Glen-L single Sea Kayak, an
11'-6" jonboat from fiberglass over styrofoam blueboard (a mistake - the
intent was to build a boat big enough to stand/cast in and light enough for
a 60-yr-old to handle in a pickup bed - it is OK for rowing but flimsy so my
6 hp outboard is destroying it in light chop on our bays - if I had it to do
over, I would just use 1/4 plywood and cut down the freeboard to lighten
it - but I digress), a 6-foot ply dinghy to fit the cabin trunk on a
smallish 30-foot sloop (it had a mainsheet traveler across the top which
took away the aft part for supporting the dinghy). Also own an 18-foot
outboard bowrider for casual use and inshore Gulf of Mexico fishing. (Oh,
and the wife's Sunfish).
What I really need is another cruising boat, having rid myself of the 30
footer. After years of leaning toward a multihull for the speed and shallow
draft, I have realized since retirement that "just pointing it where I want
to go" and trailerability has a lot of appeal. I have also established that
I don't need "runabout" speed, but the 12 mph or so I get on the jonboat is
nice. So, I'm looking at trailerable weekenders/cruisers for homebuilding
in a reasonable time, inshore-Gulf capable with an eye to the weather (day
trips). At the top of my list right now is Sam Devlin's 22-foot Surf Scoter
with a 40-60hp 4-stroke outboard. Downside: pricey! A used one is
advertised for $42,000!! Frankly, I don't see the value there, but my rule
of thumb is homebuilding probably saves half - $20,000 is still too much.
Has anyone here built, bought, or even investigated the SS?
Bolger has several 22-24 foot power cruisers, both the Tennessee-style and
the Retriever-style. I can't bring myself to spend a year building a boat
this "open-minded" in this size range. Does he have other more conventional
designs which might fit me, or do I need a sea trial to open my mind?
BTW, Gregg, my thanks too for this list and especially your design
freeware - it's very generous and I believe you may be out in front of (or
at least among) a real discerning group in the "open source" software
movement. When will you port it to Linux and let the devotees add functions
<g>? If it would only mix glue, saw, sand, and paint!
Don Hodges
Lynn Haven, FL (on the coast halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee)
dhodges@...
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