Re: [bolger] Re: Homemede portlights [was drawing program]
Bruce Hallman wrote:
area? Oxford? WWII era, but heck, I could be wrong, this morning I
couldn't even remember how to spell the guy's name....
I once knew of a source for Wiley Port frames in cast aluminum and
another in molded fiberglass. Can't remember now. They are so easy to
build from wood, that's what we did. (I've made seven) The wedges must
have the kerf to hold in place, with the hole at the end of the kerf so
they don't split. A leash for the wedges as well as spare wedges and
spare panes is a good idea. The sill angle is critical to ensure
drainage overboard when open.. The big negative is that the frame
protrudes into the cabin. A shelf or ledge under, above or aside, or
using the sides of the frames to hang/store something helps. If the hull
sides curve fore and aft a middle, slightly larger wedge, a bar across
the top of the frame and a flexible pane is needed unless you shim out
the hull to flat. Vertical curve is easy, flexible acrylic pane and
curved outboard faces on the wedges to match.
Rick
>I thought it was Ralph Wiley, a designer? builder? from the Chesapeake
>
> I don't know the origin of the Wiley Portlight
area? Oxford? WWII era, but heck, I could be wrong, this morning I
couldn't even remember how to spell the guy's name....
I once knew of a source for Wiley Port frames in cast aluminum and
another in molded fiberglass. Can't remember now. They are so easy to
build from wood, that's what we did. (I've made seven) The wedges must
have the kerf to hold in place, with the hole at the end of the kerf so
they don't split. A leash for the wedges as well as spare wedges and
spare panes is a good idea. The sill angle is critical to ensure
drainage overboard when open.. The big negative is that the frame
protrudes into the cabin. A shelf or ledge under, above or aside, or
using the sides of the frames to hang/store something helps. If the hull
sides curve fore and aft a middle, slightly larger wedge, a bar across
the top of the frame and a flexible pane is needed unless you shim out
the hull to flat. Vertical curve is easy, flexible acrylic pane and
curved outboard faces on the wedges to match.
Rick
>
>
--- sctree wrote:
of Phil Bolger:
Ralph Wiley designed Phil Bolger's "First Boat"
...a catboat built by Phil's older brother Bill.
> I thought it was Ralph Wiley,According to Joseph Gribben's 1983 biography
of Phil Bolger:
Ralph Wiley designed Phil Bolger's "First Boat"
...a catboat built by Phil's older brother Bill.
--- GarthAB wrote:
but the essence of 'simplicity' speaks to the
heart of what I like about Bolger.
I think that if you were to try to point to a
theme common to Bolgers 'body of work';
that 'simplicity' would be that theme.
For example, Bolgers infatuation with the dipping
lug rig. Minimum spars and rigging, maximum power.
Or, Bolgers high regard for the Herreshoff
'Rozinante',
and the book _The Compleat Crusier_.
> Many thanks for that Wiley Port GIF!I don't know the origin of the Wiley Portlight,
> It's simplicity itself.
but the essence of 'simplicity' speaks to the
heart of what I like about Bolger.
I think that if you were to try to point to a
theme common to Bolgers 'body of work';
that 'simplicity' would be that theme.
For example, Bolgers infatuation with the dipping
lug rig. Minimum spars and rigging, maximum power.
Or, Bolgers high regard for the Herreshoff
'Rozinante',
and the book _The Compleat Crusier_.
See; Bolger>Files> Wiley Port
or;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Wiley%20Port%20%26%20Bolger%20hatch/
I may be wrong, but I thought his name was spelled Wylie.
Rick
Bruce C. Anderson wrote:
or;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Wiley%20Port%20%26%20Bolger%20hatch/
I may be wrong, but I thought his name was spelled Wylie.
Rick
Bruce C. Anderson wrote:
> Howdy[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Subject: [bolger] Homemade portlights [was drawing program]
> >
> > Are you familiar with Wylie windows?
>
> I am not familiar with them. I did a search in the archives and found
> nothing, no luck with a google search either. Do you have a link, or a
> description?
>
> Thanks
>
> See Ya
>
> Have Fun
>
> Bruce
>
> <http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/>
Rick (and Vince) --
Many thanks for that Wiley Port GIF! It's simplicity itself.
I had been imagining round portlights, for aesthetic reasons (forgive
me, functionality purists!), and at first glance I thought -- oh,
this Wiley thing will only work if they're rectangular. But further
thought (at my usual 3 bits per second) suggests that the outside
hole can be round (or star-shaped, or moon-shaped, or squiggly) and
the inside wedge assembly and pane of glass/Lexan can be rectangular,
oversized to cover all of the exterior opening. Having the
glass/Lexan cut oversized, and thus needing to enlarge the inner
wedge-slide assembly a bit, even works to advantage because the inner
assembly won't block your interior view from an angle. Similar sized
screen panels could be easily made to pop in when at a hot anchorage.
Vince -- did you do anything to brace or pin the wedges in, to
prevent their popping up and out if the glass gets slammed by a wave?
What an elegant solution. I never would have dreamed this up. Thanks
again.
All best,
Garth
(hundreds of dollars richer now, with this idea)
Many thanks for that Wiley Port GIF! It's simplicity itself.
I had been imagining round portlights, for aesthetic reasons (forgive
me, functionality purists!), and at first glance I thought -- oh,
this Wiley thing will only work if they're rectangular. But further
thought (at my usual 3 bits per second) suggests that the outside
hole can be round (or star-shaped, or moon-shaped, or squiggly) and
the inside wedge assembly and pane of glass/Lexan can be rectangular,
oversized to cover all of the exterior opening. Having the
glass/Lexan cut oversized, and thus needing to enlarge the inner
wedge-slide assembly a bit, even works to advantage because the inner
assembly won't block your interior view from an angle. Similar sized
screen panels could be easily made to pop in when at a hot anchorage.
Vince -- did you do anything to brace or pin the wedges in, to
prevent their popping up and out if the glass gets slammed by a wave?
What an elegant solution. I never would have dreamed this up. Thanks
again.
All best,
Garth
(hundreds of dollars richer now, with this idea)
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> See; Bolger>Files> Wiley Port
> or;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Wiley%20Port%20%26%
20Bolger%20hatch/
Howdy Rick
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
> -----Original Message-----THANKS!!
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Homemade portlights [was drawing program]
>
> See; Bolger>Files> Wiley Port
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
>daydreaming
> Fritz --
>
> Will your windows be openable, or permanently sealed? I'm hoping to
> make some DIY openable portlights with screens for Cormorant, with
> laminated plywood frames, but haven't got much beyond the
> phase. Not really sure how to work the hinging and latching (or theGarth,
> sealing). The cost of new metal portlights is way beyond my budget.
>
> All best,
> Garth
The big windows that I am planning now will be non-opening. I hope to
have a couple opening windows in the pilot house. The windows will be
sealed with sealant (probably Sika 296) and bolted directly to the
plywood.
Also in reply to another post: The window sizes will be determined by
actual measurements taken from the boat itself. There are 8 windows
on each side, each approximately 4square feet. They are all different.
fritz koschmann
Howdy
nothing, no luck with a google search either. Do you have a link, or a
description?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
> -----Original Message-----I am not familiar with them. I did a search in the archives and found
> Subject: [bolger] Homemade portlights [was drawing program]
>
> Are you familiar with Wylie windows?
nothing, no luck with a google search either. Do you have a link, or a
description?
Thanks
See Ya
Have Fun
Bruce
http://myweb.cableone.net/bcanderson/
Are you familiar with Wylie windows?
Homemade, cheap, no hinges, no latches, fully watertight when closed,
can be left open at the top to vent during rainstorms and underway in
mild conditions, or left open fully at anchor for maximum ventilation,
fitting a bug screen is a piece of cake...
Even Bolger promotes their use.
Rick
GarthAB wrote:
Homemade, cheap, no hinges, no latches, fully watertight when closed,
can be left open at the top to vent during rainstorms and underway in
mild conditions, or left open fully at anchor for maximum ventilation,
fitting a bug screen is a piece of cake...
Even Bolger promotes their use.
Rick
GarthAB wrote:
> I'm hoping to[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> make some DIY openable portlights with screens for Cormorant, with
> laminated plywood frames, but haven't got much beyond the daydreaming
> phase. Not really sure how to work the hinging and latching (or the
> sealing). The cost of new metal portlights is way beyond my budget.
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
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--- fritzdfk wrote:
What I found with the polycarbonate windows
on my Micro Navigator project was that each
was slightly different due to 'tolerances'
and builder error! I ended up fitting a
mockup window made of cardboard in each window
opening, and then transfering the exact shape
and size to the polycarbonate. Cutting the
polycarbonate with my Bosch jigsaw was easy.
Don't make the mistake that the theoretical
'CAD' size of the windows openings matches the
"real size" [and shape] of the openings.
Turbocad is an inexpensive CAD software, which
I use, available cheap and easy on EBay.
> 20 windows on Double Eagle. They will all beYour Double Eagle is a cool boat!
> Polycarbonate. ... I need is a simple CAD
> program to draw the windows
What I found with the polycarbonate windows
on my Micro Navigator project was that each
was slightly different due to 'tolerances'
and builder error! I ended up fitting a
mockup window made of cardboard in each window
opening, and then transfering the exact shape
and size to the polycarbonate. Cutting the
polycarbonate with my Bosch jigsaw was easy.
Don't make the mistake that the theoretical
'CAD' size of the windows openings matches the
"real size" [and shape] of the openings.
Turbocad is an inexpensive CAD software, which
I use, available cheap and easy on EBay.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fritzdfk" <gaffcat@h...> wrote:
Will your windows be openable, or permanently sealed? I'm hoping to
make some DIY openable portlights with screens for Cormorant, with
laminated plywood frames, but haven't got much beyond the daydreaming
phase. Not really sure how to work the hinging and latching (or the
sealing). The cost of new metal portlights is way beyond my budget.
All best,
Garth
> I have around 20 windows on Double Eagle. They will all beFritz --
> Polycarbonate.
Will your windows be openable, or permanently sealed? I'm hoping to
make some DIY openable portlights with screens for Cormorant, with
laminated plywood frames, but haven't got much beyond the daydreaming
phase. Not really sure how to work the hinging and latching (or the
sealing). The cost of new metal portlights is way beyond my budget.
All best,
Garth
I like the free version of TurboCad - here's the link:
http://nct.digitalriver.com/fulfill/0002.16
It's a nifty 2D program, with not time or use restrictions
Dave
http://nct.digitalriver.com/fulfill/0002.16
It's a nifty 2D program, with not time or use restrictions
Dave
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fritzdfk" <gaffcat@h...> wrote:
> I have around 20 windows on Double Eagle. They will all be
> Polycarbonate. I have a friend with a automated router set up than
> can cut out the windows. What I need is a simple CAD program to
draw
> the windows (free maybe). Of course the shapes are two dimensional.
> Any suggestions?
>
> fritz koschmann
>
> Double eagle website: www.thegreatsea.com
fritzdfk wrote:
it pretty intuitive. They have a free download. Not sure whether
it is feature limited or time limited.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> What I need is a simple CAD program to drawI used SmartDraw for a while (www.smartdraw.com) and found
> the windows (free maybe). Of course the shapes are two dimensional.
> Any suggestions?
it pretty intuitive. They have a free download. Not sure whether
it is feature limited or time limited.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
I have around 20 windows on Double Eagle. They will all be
Polycarbonate. I have a friend with a automated router set up than
can cut out the windows. What I need is a simple CAD program to draw
the windows (free maybe). Of course the shapes are two dimensional.
Any suggestions?
fritz koschmann
Double eagle website: www.thegreatsea.com
Polycarbonate. I have a friend with a automated router set up than
can cut out the windows. What I need is a simple CAD program to draw
the windows (free maybe). Of course the shapes are two dimensional.
Any suggestions?
fritz koschmann
Double eagle website: www.thegreatsea.com