Re: [bolger] Re: Phil's hat

> Looks like it says "Gloucester" but and it may be a dolphin?
>
> Nels

Makes sense, I couldn't imagine Phil Bolger wearing
a 'gimmee' hat with advertisment on the front...

>This may be true for some designs, yet it does not explain to my
>satisfaction why he has incorporated box keels in such designs as
>MINIATURE STEEL TUG, and particularly SHADY LADY, A 39 x 14 Ft
>motorized cruising houseboat, both in BWAOM.

That's because I'm talking about the box sections that have appeared in
some of his sailing hulls. Note that foam and glass "forefoot pads" -- for
lack of a better term -- appear in lots of his later boats.

Box keel powerboats are another issue.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:

> >So I am wondering if PCB&F have abandoned leeboards in favor of
> >centerboards and box keels
>
> The box keel is really a means of getting rid of pounding behavior,

esp. at

> anchor, in a sailing hull.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell

This may be true for some designs, yet it does not explain to my
satisfaction why he has incorporated box keels in such designs as
MINIATURE STEEL TUG, and particularly SHADY LADY, A 39 x 14 Ft
motorized cruising houseboat, both in BWAOM.

He says:

"The box keel with square-cornered cutwater is mine - my favorite
solution to the problem of getting some buoyancy out to the ends of a
panel-constructed bow without making her so blunt-ended that she
pushes half the ocean ahead of her and drags the rest behind." BWAOM
Page 392

In profile SHADY LADY looks startlingly similar to FAST BRICK.
Although FB does not have the deadrise when viewed head on.

I have a photo of SHADY LADY somewhere. Saw her on the northshore of
Lake Huron one time. Painted a very subtle shade of Harley Red:-)

Cheers, Nels

>So I am wondering if PCB&F have abandoned leeboards in favor of
>centerboards and box keels

The box keel is really a means of getting rid of pounding behavior, esp. at
anchor, in a sailing hull.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________

-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > Can anybody make out the text on the hat he is wearing?
> >http://www.hallman.org/bolger/phil.jpg
> > That is an Orca.
>
> Looks like it says "Gloucester" but and it may be a dolphin?
>
> Nels

On further review I can see that it is an Orca alright. Wonder if it
might be the name of a Marine park somewhere? He may have received it
as a gift.

Now this will drive me nuts!

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:

> Can anybody make out the text on the hat he is wearing?
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/phil.jpg
> That is an Orca.

Looks like it says "Gloucester" but and it may be a dolphin?

Nels

Can anybody make out the text on the hat he is wearing?
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/phil.jpg
That is an Orca.

I think PCB has not been drawing many new designs for the small
homebuild market. That would cut down on the leeboard boats. And he
has enthusiastically embraced the offcenterboard.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by box keel.

Peter

I wonder if anyone can recall the last time PCB&F came out with a new
design that specified leeboards as the means of leeway prevention?
The last one I recall is WILLIAM JOCHENS SCHOONER.

I know he has done some re-designs that have leeboards, such as FAST
MOTOR SAILER, MARTHA JANE, FAST BRICK. These have all been changed to
double pivoting boards as in the WJS.

Last I heard from Bjorn Harbo is that he broke one of his boards on
his first signifcant voyage. However the other one functioned OK for
the rest of the trip. He also regrets using water ballest as he does
not trailer his WJS.

So I am wondering if PCB&F have abandoned leeboards in favor of
centerboards and box keels? Or a combination of the two? Or the swing
wing like on the I60?

Seems to me that a box keel, together with a small centerboard may be
easier to construct and a lot more efficient than two double pivoting
leeboards.

Therefor the next innovation may be:

A box keeled schooner with a swing wing centerboard, chinese lug
schooner rig and a Navigator pilot house with lexan picture windows
and BIRDWATCHER slot.

One final query - How "fast" is Fast Brick? And what size motor is
specified? I guess it would plane right? Could it be considered
a "poor man's fast motorsailer"??

Cheers, Nels

Xynole is said to be more abrasion resistant also.-Warren

You might try "Xynole". It's supposed to be much better at going
around corners or into corners that fiberglass. It's only available
form Defender Industries. They're online and you can get a mail order
catalog too.
Bruce