Re: Rose
How curious, what a coincidence and what a SURPRISE! Last week I was
in Mallorca and bought a second hand book for 1 Euro in a street
market just for the cover drawing. It was Patrick O'Bryan 'Blue at
the mizzen', the 20th and last of the Aubray/Maturin series, a
wonderful book. As a Spaniard I didn't know anything about the author
or the books and as a Catalan I was happily surprised when I found
such a quantity of references to Catalans in the book. There's even a
novel by Patrick O'Bryan with the title 'The Catalans'. I'll have to
look for it in those second hand online bookstores.
pep
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
wrote:
in Mallorca and bought a second hand book for 1 Euro in a street
market just for the cover drawing. It was Patrick O'Bryan 'Blue at
the mizzen', the 20th and last of the Aubray/Maturin series, a
wonderful book. As a Spaniard I didn't know anything about the author
or the books and as a Catalan I was happily surprised when I found
such a quantity of references to Catalans in the book. There's even a
novel by Patrick O'Bryan with the title 'The Catalans'. I'll have to
look for it in those second hand online bookstores.
pep
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
wrote:
> ROSE plays the part of SUPRISE in the new film version of 'Master
> and Commander'.
>
> Which should be interesting, since Jack Aubrey's command in M&C was
> the sloop SOPHIE (a which was reallly a brig, IIRC).
>
> I for one can't wait to see it.
>
>
> > Does anybody know if Bolger's Rose
> > is the new salty Hollywood movie(s)?
>> Takes stain well but rather absorbent due to porosity.I'll surely agree on porosity, especially when it comes to epoxy. I felt like I was coating a sponge thie first coat! The porosity is not uniform on a panel, the darker grain sections seem to soak up less. By the second coat, everything was pretty even.
I used PL Prem. to "tack" the pieces together before filleting, this worked well. Test pieces held together well with the wood giving way before the glue joint.
James
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From "Dingy Building" by Richard Creagh-Osborne (UK, 1963). Here is
what he says about Virola.
Origin: Brazil
Other names: Baboen
Description: Brown to deep reddish brown often with purplish hue
but sapwood is oateal in colour. Medium texture,
straight grain, and somewhat lustrous.
Weight: 30 lb / cu ft
Durability: not resistent
Working qualitites: Good.
Takes stain well but rather absorbent due to porosity.
what he says about Virola.
Origin: Brazil
Other names: Baboen
Description: Brown to deep reddish brown often with purplish hue
but sapwood is oateal in colour. Medium texture,
straight grain, and somewhat lustrous.
Weight: 30 lb / cu ft
Durability: not resistent
Working qualitites: Good.
Takes stain well but rather absorbent due to porosity.
I don't think of Virola as anything especially grand. I chose to build a canoe with it because it was really cheap and looked good too. I lucked up, apparently, and got the water resistant glue strain of Virola.
I wouldn't build anything with it that required much structural dependence on the plywood, although if it were laminated into 2-3 layers, it might make fine decking.
James
What's the allure of Virola. I know its pretty but is it rated for
structural use?
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I wouldn't build anything with it that required much structural dependence on the plywood, although if it were laminated into 2-3 layers, it might make fine decking.
James
What's the allure of Virola. I know its pretty but is it rated for
structural use?
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Rick,
While I was in Fla. Southern Ply the other day, they turned me on to Atlanta Hardwood Corp. (www.hardwoodweb.com)as a source for non-ply wood. Atlanta isn't too much of a haul from B'ham.
I plan on going to HD tomorrow to see if I can nail down the Virola issue. I'll let you knwo what I find out.
James
I'm in Hoover, south of Birmingham, a couple of miles from Wayne.
Brunswick would be a bit of a haul for plywood, but you never know,
I've done some unusual things for the sake of boatbuilding!
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While I was in Fla. Southern Ply the other day, they turned me on to Atlanta Hardwood Corp. (www.hardwoodweb.com)as a source for non-ply wood. Atlanta isn't too much of a haul from B'ham.
I plan on going to HD tomorrow to see if I can nail down the Virola issue. I'll let you knwo what I find out.
James
I'm in Hoover, south of Birmingham, a couple of miles from Wayne.
Brunswick would be a bit of a haul for plywood, but you never know,
I've done some unusual things for the sake of boatbuilding!
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Looks like:
steel shoe in four foot panels with expansion joints. bore 1/2" oversize for
the end bolts. use roundhead bolts with heads outside; no countersink
The word 'end' is a guess, and 1/2" oversize seems big, but that's without
context - I have not seen the article in question. If you scan and save a
grey-scale rather than black and white image it may be possible to do some
'image enhancing'....
Derek
steel shoe in four foot panels with expansion joints. bore 1/2" oversize for
the end bolts. use roundhead bolts with heads outside; no countersink
The word 'end' is a guess, and 1/2" oversize seems big, but that's without
context - I have not seen the article in question. If you scan and save a
grey-scale rather than black and white image it may be possible to do some
'image enhancing'....
Derek
Small boat designer John Welsford technical consultant in the wood
processing industry in New Zeland and just posted this in the
microcuising group:
"No the glue is not all the same, there are interior and
decorative plywoods which use clear glues, those are generally
not waterproof but there are a few factories beginning to use
cross linked pva in plywood and that is water resistant but
not boil proof.
No it is not cured with high frequency sound waves,
it is possible and not uncommon to cure glues with
high frequency RADIO waves, as in microwaves . This
is known as RF curing and is not used in plywood,
plywood presses are multi daylight hot oil or steam
heated presses .
No it is not done at high speed, the press time is
governed in part by the insulating qualities of the
wood veneers, in that the press needs to be closed
for long enough to heat the gluelines in the middle,
so a thick plywood takes a lot longer press time than
thin ply.
And no there are a lot more differences than just
the voids in the wood and the pressure.
I reccommend BS1088 plywood or its equivalent
European or American standard . But must admit that
in my own boats I use "Exterior marine bonded"
which is about 2/3 the price where I live and have
had no problems at all. I have also used the better
grades of "construction ply" made by factories that
I know.
But I have the advantage of having worked in and
being familiar with the grading and production
methods in these factories so know precisely how
the stuff is made. If you dont have those advantages
then you are reliant on the grading stamp and its
worth getting the good stuff unless the boat is a
a "disposable" one.
processing industry in New Zeland and just posted this in the
microcuising group:
"No the glue is not all the same, there are interior and
decorative plywoods which use clear glues, those are generally
not waterproof but there are a few factories beginning to use
cross linked pva in plywood and that is water resistant but
not boil proof.
No it is not cured with high frequency sound waves,
it is possible and not uncommon to cure glues with
high frequency RADIO waves, as in microwaves . This
is known as RF curing and is not used in plywood,
plywood presses are multi daylight hot oil or steam
heated presses .
No it is not done at high speed, the press time is
governed in part by the insulating qualities of the
wood veneers, in that the press needs to be closed
for long enough to heat the gluelines in the middle,
so a thick plywood takes a lot longer press time than
thin ply.
And no there are a lot more differences than just
the voids in the wood and the pressure.
I reccommend BS1088 plywood or its equivalent
European or American standard . But must admit that
in my own boats I use "Exterior marine bonded"
which is about 2/3 the price where I live and have
had no problems at all. I have also used the better
grades of "construction ply" made by factories that
I know.
But I have the advantage of having worked in and
being familiar with the grading and production
methods in these factories so know precisely how
the stuff is made. If you dont have those advantages
then you are reliant on the grading stamp and its
worth getting the good stuff unless the boat is a
a "disposable" one.
Volunteer Upgrade, in the recent MAIB is awesome!
I am frustrated that I can't read the
notes in the reduced size Bolger sketches.
See for instance:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/vol.gif
What does that say? My guess is:
xxxxx xxxx IN
FOUR - FEET
xxxx IS WITH
EXPANSION
JOINTS, BURN
xx OVERSIZED
FOR THE xxx
PLATE, USE
ROUND HEAD
BOLTS WITH
HEADS EXPOSED
NO xxx PER xxxx.
=
Help me decipher please.
I am frustrated that I can't read the
notes in the reduced size Bolger sketches.
See for instance:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/vol.gif
What does that say? My guess is:
xxxxx xxxx IN
FOUR - FEET
xxxx IS WITH
EXPANSION
JOINTS, BURN
xx OVERSIZED
FOR THE xxx
PLATE, USE
ROUND HEAD
BOLTS WITH
HEADS EXPOSED
NO xxx PER xxxx.
=
Help me decipher please.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
I think that most all the glue used for US plywood
is a form of one part heat curing Resorcinol
waterproof glue. It is a dark red with some purple.
The plant (Ply strips to make beams) I worked at
uses large microwaves ovens under great preasure to cure.
error:
Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick
should be:
Pine 1/4" to 3/4" thick
Mat
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:heard
> >
> > Hi esw
> >
> > I live just east of Atlanta. Almost all the wood at HD and Lowes
> > is Southern Yellow Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick. It is about 30%
> > heavier than douglas fur. We have many plywood mills nearby.
> >
> > Mat
>
> Any chance you could get any info on what glue they use? I have
> that all plywood manufactured in the U.S.A. uses the same glue too.Hi Nells
> That it is pressure cured using high frequency sound for instant
> bondings.
>
> Nels
I think that most all the glue used for US plywood
is a form of one part heat curing Resorcinol
waterproof glue. It is a dark red with some purple.
The plant (Ply strips to make beams) I worked at
uses large microwaves ovens under great preasure to cure.
error:
Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick
should be:
Pine 1/4" to 3/4" thick
Mat
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mat_man22" <mat_man@u...> wrote:
that all plywood manufactured in the U.S.A. uses the same glue too.
That it is pressure cured using high frequency sound for instant
bondings.
Nels
>Any chance you could get any info on what glue they use? I have heard
> Hi esw
>
> I live just east of Atlanta. Almost all the wood at HD and Lowes
> is Southern Yellow Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick. It is about 30%
> heavier than douglas fur. We have many plywood mills nearby.
>
> Mat
that all plywood manufactured in the U.S.A. uses the same glue too.
That it is pressure cured using high frequency sound for instant
bondings.
Nels
Hi esw
I live just east of Atlanta. Almost all the wood at HD and Lowes
is Southern Yellow Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick. It is about 30%
heavier than douglas fur. We have many plywood mills nearby.
Mat
I live just east of Atlanta. Almost all the wood at HD and Lowes
is Southern Yellow Pine 1/4' to 3/4' thick. It is about 30%
heavier than douglas fur. We have many plywood mills nearby.
Mat
At least some of the RFP Superply (tm) you may find now is also made with Southern Yellow
Pine faces.
Absolutely voidless, pretty evenly sliced, hard but not too heavy, the AC here is more
like a good grade of economy marine ply.
http://www.arauco.cl/ingles/paneles/htm/ply_des.asp
Only reported in the West or Texas so far, if it can be found, an excellent bargain.
Mark
Pine faces.
Absolutely voidless, pretty evenly sliced, hard but not too heavy, the AC here is more
like a good grade of economy marine ply.
http://www.arauco.cl/ingles/paneles/htm/ply_des.asp
Only reported in the West or Texas so far, if it can be found, an excellent bargain.
Mark
> any one tryed this like they did on the light schooner page
>
> SuperPly , an exterior, yellowish South American plywood, more
> expensive than ACX fir, but less than okoume, etc.
> Last time I looked at "Superply" the outer layers were very, very, thin and any sanding would go right thru it.
> Marine ply is supposed to have ALL layers the same thickness.
>
> Aloha
Have you tried World Panel Products www.worldpanel.com Riveria
Beach, FL?
By the way, over in the Micahalak Yahoo!Group I have started a
database of plywood suppliers if anyone is interested and would like
to contribute names/addresses/websites.
Beach, FL?
By the way, over in the Micahalak Yahoo!Group I have started a
database of plywood suppliers if anyone is interested and would like
to contribute names/addresses/websites.
Kris -
Last time I looked at "Superply" the outer layers were very, very, thin and any sanding would go right thru it. Marine ply is supposed to have ALL layers the same thickness.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
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Last time I looked at "Superply" the outer layers were very, very, thin and any sanding would go right thru it. Marine ply is supposed to have ALL layers the same thickness.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
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Hi All -
Well, since I started this thread a few weeks ago in an effort to find decent plywood here in S.E. Florida for the building of my "Champlain" we've seen an awful lot of good input and one sure outcome is if your serious in your search DON'T rely on Home Depot or Lowes'. Most often their sales people just can't really answere serious questions about the ply. I would refer to HD as the home of WhiteWood - what the heck is White Wood.
Personally, I'm at the point that I think the best and most reasonable way to go is MDO board. If you can afford it get it overlayed on both sides. Check out --http://www.simpson-plywood.com/crezon.htm
Two places in Ft Lauderdale that carry a big variety of good ply are Dixie Plywood and Lumber Co.
http://www.dixieply.com/ftlauderdale.htmtheir located at 2121 S.W. 10 Court, Ft Lauderdale
Next is Causeway Lumber located at the intersection of Dixie Hwy and S.R. 84 - this is a tremendous yard and if they don't have it they can get it. Unfortunatly their website only gives their location.
If your willing to travel 5 hours up to Jacksonville (I would if the price were right) check out Florida Southern Plywood Corp. 5909 West 5th Street, Jacksonville, Florida phine 1-800940-2546.
email:http://floridasouthernplywood.com/fspcatalog.html
Check out their website, they seem to have everything, even MDO preprimed 4'x8' and 4'x10'.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
PS - I notice I'm the only one that signs off with his hometown - maybe, in some computerspeak protocol it's not proper but I'd love to know where some of our members are coming from, if they live in my area or are writing from Seattle, an area I really don't expect to get any help from or whose conditions won't really apply to me. But then I love to hear ideas from
everywhere. - Anyone else building Bolger in the Ft Lauderdale area? - Jack
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Well, since I started this thread a few weeks ago in an effort to find decent plywood here in S.E. Florida for the building of my "Champlain" we've seen an awful lot of good input and one sure outcome is if your serious in your search DON'T rely on Home Depot or Lowes'. Most often their sales people just can't really answere serious questions about the ply. I would refer to HD as the home of WhiteWood - what the heck is White Wood.
Personally, I'm at the point that I think the best and most reasonable way to go is MDO board. If you can afford it get it overlayed on both sides. Check out --http://www.simpson-plywood.com/crezon.htm
Two places in Ft Lauderdale that carry a big variety of good ply are Dixie Plywood and Lumber Co.
http://www.dixieply.com/ftlauderdale.htmtheir located at 2121 S.W. 10 Court, Ft Lauderdale
Next is Causeway Lumber located at the intersection of Dixie Hwy and S.R. 84 - this is a tremendous yard and if they don't have it they can get it. Unfortunatly their website only gives their location.
If your willing to travel 5 hours up to Jacksonville (I would if the price were right) check out Florida Southern Plywood Corp. 5909 West 5th Street, Jacksonville, Florida phine 1-800940-2546.
email:http://floridasouthernplywood.com/fspcatalog.html
Check out their website, they seem to have everything, even MDO preprimed 4'x8' and 4'x10'.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
PS - I notice I'm the only one that signs off with his hometown - maybe, in some computerspeak protocol it's not proper but I'd love to know where some of our members are coming from, if they live in my area or are writing from Seattle, an area I really don't expect to get any help from or whose conditions won't really apply to me. But then I love to hear ideas from
everywhere. - Anyone else building Bolger in the Ft Lauderdale area? - Jack
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> ROSE plays the part of SUPRISE in the new film version of 'MasterThere are some comments about the current state of the Rose in the
> and Commander'.
latest WoodenBoat. The indications are that the ship was used less in
the movie than was originally expected, and the studio is 1) not
taking good care of it, and 2) is unwilling to let go.
One of the changes was that they apparently removed the spar deck
that Bolger had designed in order to enclose an on-board restaurant
(never actually happened). Bolger has since taken some comfort in the
reserve buoyancy that it provided, and I am very sure that he would
strongly oppose taking the ship to sea in its modified condition.
It's quite possible that, in the end, it will prove that the Rose's
movie career was the begining of her end.
Peter
Yes, but "updated" to a later period. Google "Master and Commander"
for more info.
for more info.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> Does anybody know if Bolger's Rose
> is the new salty Hollywood movie(s)?
ROSE plays the part of SUPRISE in the new film version of 'Master
and Commander'.
Which should be interesting, since Jack Aubrey's command in M&C was
the sloop SOPHIE (a which was reallly a brig, IIRC).
I for one can't wait to see it.
and Commander'.
Which should be interesting, since Jack Aubrey's command in M&C was
the sloop SOPHIE (a which was reallly a brig, IIRC).
I for one can't wait to see it.
> Does anybody know if Bolger's Rose
> is the new salty Hollywood movie(s)?
Does anybody know if Bolger's Rose
is the new salty Hollywood movie(s)?
is the new salty Hollywood movie(s)?
any one tryed this like they did on the light schooner page
SuperPly , an exterior, yellowish South American plywood, more
expensive than ACX fir, but less than okoume, etc.
SuperPly , an exterior, yellowish South American plywood, more
expensive than ACX fir, but less than okoume, etc.
On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 09:56 AM, escottw55 wrote:
> Hi,
> What's the allure of Virola. I know its pretty but is it rated for
> structural use? The only
> plywood (aside from "Marine") I've found that is rated for structural
> applications is Fir AC.
> Since I am in Florida what I'd like to find is some "Structural"
> rated Southern Yellow Pine ply in 1/2 (15/32)or 5/8 (19/32). I've
> seen some BC with a real nice B
> face, and a not so bad C face (needs to be filled some and sheathed
> with
> biax). The ply has "Exterior" rated glue and is more economical than
> Fir AC. Its only rated for "sheathing" and sometimes
> for "underlayment. Reuel Parker said somewhere that he uses "Form
> Board". I think he's referring to plywood used for concrete formwork.
> Its pine and and I think its called BBSO. I think that means 2-B
> faces, Sealed edges and Oiled. Parker said its very low in voids and
> I can understand that.Low voids are imprortant both for bending and
> strength in concrete forms. The problems I'm facing are that its
> oiled and that I can't find it in less than 3/4 inch thickness. The
> lumberyard guys can't seem to help. Parker must be using something
> thats not oiled. Anybody know anything about that ?
>
> Regarding plywood glue: I think "Gougoen" or "System 3" said that
> three coats of epoxy will completely seal a surface. I also remember
> reading that there will be some migration of moisture through the
> epoxy until the ambient moisture in the surrounding environment is
> reached. To me that means that if the boat is dry stored and dry wood
> has an 8% moisture content then it will acheive that. If the boat is
> kept in the water that means to me that the wood will saturate over
> time. That would not be good for an interior glue. I've never chopped
> a hole in a an epoxied piece of plywood thats been sitting in the
> water for several months so I really don't know. Has anybody else ?
>
> esw
>
>
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>
>
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Hi,
What's the allure of Virola. I know its pretty but is it rated for
structural use? The only
plywood (aside from "Marine") I've found that is rated for structural
applications is Fir AC.
Since I am in Florida what I'd like to find is some "Structural"
rated Southern Yellow Pine ply in 1/2 (15/32)or 5/8 (19/32). I've
seen some BC with a real nice B
face, and a not so bad C face (needs to be filled some and sheathed
with
biax). The ply has "Exterior" rated glue and is more economical than
Fir AC. Its only rated for "sheathing" and sometimes
for "underlayment. Reuel Parker said somewhere that he uses "Form
Board". I think he's referring to plywood used for concrete formwork.
Its pine and and I think its called BBSO. I think that means 2-B
faces, Sealed edges and Oiled. Parker said its very low in voids and
I can understand that.Low voids are imprortant both for bending and
strength in concrete forms. The problems I'm facing are that its
oiled and that I can't find it in less than 3/4 inch thickness. The
lumberyard guys can't seem to help. Parker must be using something
thats not oiled. Anybody know anything about that ?
Regarding plywood glue: I think "Gougoen" or "System 3" said that
three coats of epoxy will completely seal a surface. I also remember
reading that there will be some migration of moisture through the
epoxy until the ambient moisture in the surrounding environment is
reached. To me that means that if the boat is dry stored and dry wood
has an 8% moisture content then it will acheive that. If the boat is
kept in the water that means to me that the wood will saturate over
time. That would not be good for an interior glue. I've never chopped
a hole in a an epoxied piece of plywood thats been sitting in the
water for several months so I really don't know. Has anybody else ?
esw
What's the allure of Virola. I know its pretty but is it rated for
structural use? The only
plywood (aside from "Marine") I've found that is rated for structural
applications is Fir AC.
Since I am in Florida what I'd like to find is some "Structural"
rated Southern Yellow Pine ply in 1/2 (15/32)or 5/8 (19/32). I've
seen some BC with a real nice B
face, and a not so bad C face (needs to be filled some and sheathed
with
biax). The ply has "Exterior" rated glue and is more economical than
Fir AC. Its only rated for "sheathing" and sometimes
for "underlayment. Reuel Parker said somewhere that he uses "Form
Board". I think he's referring to plywood used for concrete formwork.
Its pine and and I think its called BBSO. I think that means 2-B
faces, Sealed edges and Oiled. Parker said its very low in voids and
I can understand that.Low voids are imprortant both for bending and
strength in concrete forms. The problems I'm facing are that its
oiled and that I can't find it in less than 3/4 inch thickness. The
lumberyard guys can't seem to help. Parker must be using something
thats not oiled. Anybody know anything about that ?
Regarding plywood glue: I think "Gougoen" or "System 3" said that
three coats of epoxy will completely seal a surface. I also remember
reading that there will be some migration of moisture through the
epoxy until the ambient moisture in the surrounding environment is
reached. To me that means that if the boat is dry stored and dry wood
has an 8% moisture content then it will acheive that. If the boat is
kept in the water that means to me that the wood will saturate over
time. That would not be good for an interior glue. I've never chopped
a hole in a an epoxied piece of plywood thats been sitting in the
water for several months so I really don't know. Has anybody else ?
esw
Hey James,
I'm in Birmingham, not far from Wayne.
Please pass along that SKU if you think of it. The local HD guys
here were clueless, which is why I ended up contacting the company in
Brazil.
Thanks!
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
wrote:
post it to the group.
I'm in Birmingham, not far from Wayne.
Please pass along that SKU if you think of it. The local HD guys
here were clueless, which is why I ended up contacting the company in
Brazil.
Thanks!
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
wrote:
> Rick,them to figure out the SKU or order # for the "good" Virola, I'll
>
> Where do you live? My nearest HD is in Brunswick, GA. If I can get
post it to the group.
>of
> James
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:48 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine Plywood - Florida
>
>
> Ha, the ply didn't even last that long in a boil test!
>
> If I could find the exterior glue Virola, I'd buy several sheets
> it just to have when the next boat bug bites. Really nicelooking
> stuff and much easier to work with than the 6mm BS1008 ply Ibuilt my
> Michalak Vamp from.the
>
>
> Rick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Farris" <aub77@y...> wrote:
> > Rick C. (not sure if he is a member of this group) contacted
> > plywood manufacturer of the Virola available here inBirmingham, AL
> > orange boxes. They indicated that they ship it withboth "moisture
> > resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on thedown
> store.
> > So be careful. The M2 glue lasted about 15 minutes in a boil
> test.
> > A bateau.com Cheap Canoe built with it stored outside upside
> hasmonths.
> > already started a little bit of delamination after about 3
> > You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I wish I couldfind
> > it as it is pretty nice looking stuff otherwise.<jamessloan@m...>
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan"
> > wrote:through
> > > Spoering,
> > >
> > > I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this
> afternoon.
> > It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy
> > anything.
> > >
> > > I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander
> > the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods.The
> > marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edgevoid
> > showing.of
> > >
> > > As of today, these were valid prices:
> > >
> > > Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
> > > 1/2 inch = 43.66
> > > 3/4 inch = 54.79
> > > They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
> > >
> > > They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All
> itwith
> > is primed. The prices were:
> > >
> > > G1S 3/8 = 35.17
> > > G2S 3/8 = 42.09
> > >
> > > G1S 1/2 = 41.57
> > > G2S 1/2 = 48.79
> > >
> > > I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back
> > them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and8/4
> > too!!with
> > >
> > > For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone
> else
> > is paying?
> > >
> > > My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola
> plywood.
> > It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some
> scraps
> > left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe
> > it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85per
> > sheet.posts
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Where do you live? My nearest HD is in Brunswick, GA. If I can get them to figure out the SKU or order # for the "good" Virola, I'll post it to the group.
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Where do you live? My nearest HD is in Brunswick, GA. If I can get them to figure out the SKU or order # for the "good" Virola, I'll post it to the group.
James
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:48 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Marine Plywood - Florida
Ha, the ply didn't even last that long in a boil test!
If I could find the exterior glue Virola, I'd buy several sheets of
it just to have when the next boat bug bites. Really nice looking
stuff and much easier to work with than the 6mm BS1008 ply I built my
Michalak Vamp from.
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Farris" <aub77@y...> wrote:
> Rick C. (not sure if he is a member of this group) contacted the
> plywood manufacturer of the Virola available here in Birmingham, AL
> orange boxes. They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
> resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the
store.
> So be careful. The M2 glue lasted about 15 minutes in a boil
test.
> A bateau.com Cheap Canoe built with it stored outside upside down
has
> already started a little bit of delamination after about 3 months.
> You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I wish I could find
> it as it is pretty nice looking stuff otherwise.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
> wrote:
> > Spoering,
> >
> > I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this
afternoon.
> It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy
> anything.
> >
> > I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander through
> the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods. The
> marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void
> showing.
> >
> > As of today, these were valid prices:
> >
> > Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
> > 1/2 inch = 43.66
> > 3/4 inch = 54.79
> > They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
> >
> > They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of
it
> is primed. The prices were:
> >
> > G1S 3/8 = 35.17
> > G2S 3/8 = 42.09
> >
> > G1S 1/2 = 41.57
> > G2S 1/2 = 48.79
> >
> > I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back with
> them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and 8/4
> too!!
> >
> > For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone
else
> is paying?
> >
> > My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola
plywood.
> It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some
scraps
> left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with
> it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per
> sheet.
> >
> > James
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Wow, maybe I did luck out for once. The ply had no stampings on it, just a sticker that I promptly peeled and tossed. The Virola I have is most certainly quite water & weather resistant. I'll check with the HD building materials guys and see if they can offer any insight.
Virola... They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the store.
So be careful. You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Virola... They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the store.
So be careful. You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ha, the ply didn't even last that long in a boil test!
If I could find the exterior glue Virola, I'd buy several sheets of
it just to have when the next boat bug bites. Really nice looking
stuff and much easier to work with than the 6mm BS1008 ply I built my
Michalak Vamp from.
Rick
If I could find the exterior glue Virola, I'd buy several sheets of
it just to have when the next boat bug bites. Really nice looking
stuff and much easier to work with than the 6mm BS1008 ply I built my
Michalak Vamp from.
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Farris" <aub77@y...> wrote:
> Rick C. (not sure if he is a member of this group) contacted the
> plywood manufacturer of the Virola available here in Birmingham, AL
> orange boxes. They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
> resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the
store.
> So be careful. The M2 glue lasted about 15 minutes in a boil
test.
> A bateau.com Cheap Canoe built with it stored outside upside down
has
> already started a little bit of delamination after about 3 months.
> You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I wish I could find
> it as it is pretty nice looking stuff otherwise.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
> wrote:
> > Spoering,
> >
> > I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this
afternoon.
> It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy
> anything.
> >
> > I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander through
> the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods. The
> marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void
> showing.
> >
> > As of today, these were valid prices:
> >
> > Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
> > 1/2 inch = 43.66
> > 3/4 inch = 54.79
> > They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
> >
> > They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of
it
> is primed. The prices were:
> >
> > G1S 3/8 = 35.17
> > G2S 3/8 = 42.09
> >
> > G1S 1/2 = 41.57
> > G2S 1/2 = 48.79
> >
> > I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back with
> them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and 8/4
> too!!
> >
> > For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone
else
> is paying?
> >
> > My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola
plywood.
> It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some
scraps
> left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with
> it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per
> sheet.
> >
> > James
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
For what it's worth, I got some very nice 5-ply 1/2" MDO (good one
side) here in upstate New York for $29 a sheet, at Bellevue Building
Supply. It has very few voids, looks like fir but doesn't say; and
seems to have been compressed more than normal plywood, if that makes
sense -- it's very stiff and dense. Most of my Cormorant will be
composed of it.
All best,
Garth
(still preglassing all my panels with film. Nearly done.)
side) here in upstate New York for $29 a sheet, at Bellevue Building
Supply. It has very few voids, looks like fir but doesn't say; and
seems to have been compressed more than normal plywood, if that makes
sense -- it's very stiff and dense. Most of my Cormorant will be
composed of it.
All best,
Garth
(still preglassing all my panels with film. Nearly done.)
> They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of itis primed. The prices were:
>is paying?
> G1S 3/8 = 35.17
> G2S 3/8 = 42.09
>
> G1S 1/2 = 41.57
> G2S 1/2 = 48.79
>
> For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone else
Rick C. (not sure if he is a member of this group) contacted the
plywood manufacturer of the Virola available here in Birmingham, AL
orange boxes. They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the store.
So be careful. The M2 glue lasted about 15 minutes in a boil test.
A bateau.com Cheap Canoe built with it stored outside upside down has
already started a little bit of delamination after about 3 months.
You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I wish I could find
it as it is pretty nice looking stuff otherwise.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
wrote:
anything.
marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void
showing.
too!!
left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with
it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per
sheet.
plywood manufacturer of the Virola available here in Birmingham, AL
orange boxes. They indicated that they ship it with both "moisture
resistant" (M2) glue and with exterior glue depending on the store.
So be careful. The M2 glue lasted about 15 minutes in a boil test.
A bateau.com Cheap Canoe built with it stored outside upside down has
already started a little bit of delamination after about 3 months.
You must have gotten the exterior glue version. I wish I could find
it as it is pretty nice looking stuff otherwise.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Sloan" <jamessloan@m...>
wrote:
> Spoering,It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy
>
> I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this afternoon.
anything.
>the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods. The
> I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander through
marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void
showing.
>is primed. The prices were:
> As of today, these were valid prices:
>
> Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
> 1/2 inch = 43.66
> 3/4 inch = 54.79
> They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
>
> They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of it
>them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and 8/4
> G1S 3/8 = 35.17
> G2S 3/8 = 42.09
>
> G1S 1/2 = 41.57
> G2S 1/2 = 48.79
>
> I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back with
too!!
>is paying?
> For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone else
>It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some scraps
> My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola plywood.
left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with
it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per
sheet.
>
> James
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Spoering,
I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this afternoon. It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy anything.
I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander through the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods. The marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void showing.
As of today, these were valid prices:
Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
1/2 inch = 43.66
3/4 inch = 54.79
They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of it is primed. The prices were:
G1S 3/8 = 35.17
G2S 3/8 = 42.09
G1S 1/2 = 41.57
G2S 1/2 = 48.79
I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back with them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and 8/4 too!!
For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone else is paying?
My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola plywood. It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some scraps left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per sheet.
James
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I had a chance to drop by Florida Southern Plywood this afternoon. It was a quick visit and I wasn't in my truck, so I didn't buy anything.
I did learn some of their pricing and they let me wander through the warehouse checking out various plys and dimensional woods. The marine ply looked excellent, the MDO had the occasional edge void showing.
As of today, these were valid prices:
Marine Plywood 1/4 inch = 27.73
1/2 inch = 43.66
3/4 inch = 54.79
They had 3/8 inch also, but I forgot to get the price.
They also had MDO, in both good 1 side and good 2 sides. All of it is primed. The prices were:
G1S 3/8 = 35.17
G2S 3/8 = 42.09
G1S 1/2 = 41.57
G2S 1/2 = 48.79
I forgot to ask about standards compliance, I'll check back with them on that. They had some nice teak and mahogany in 4/4 and 8/4 too!!
For the group, how do these prices compare with what everyone else is paying?
My latest project was a test of Orange Box 1/4 inch Virola plywood. It looks good, withstands a 5 day boil & freeze test, and some scraps left outdoors for the summer are OK. Just made a 14 foot canoe with it and it seems as surdy as 1/4 inch marine ply...at just 9.85 per sheet.
James
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Hi Jim
Please let us know what you find at Southern Plywood Co. Does their marine ply meet BC 1088 standards ?
Aloha - Jack Spoering - FT Lauderdale, Fl
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Please let us know what you find at Southern Plywood Co. Does their marine ply meet BC 1088 standards ?
Aloha - Jack Spoering - FT Lauderdale, Fl
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Has anyone had experience with Florida Southern Plywood (http://www.floridasouthernplywood.com/)in Jacksonville? They are by far the closest supplier of marine ply and dimensional wood that I've found to home (Saint Simons Island, GA). I plan on a visit to their store, but wanted a little input first...
Thanks,
James
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Thanks,
James
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