Re: [bolger] Re: LONG MICRO "Navigator"
You're right. It would not be too hard, in a limited application; e.g., 2
or 3 staples, to drill holes and sew the thing on with SS safety wire from
the airport workshop (or copper). A small bit of fairing lath and a
generous slathering of wood-filled epoxy and we've got an almost invisible
flapper valve. (If you pick the natural color polyethalene vs the red or
black ones.)
I got confused because I wanted SS staples for my pneumatic stapler.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
or 3 staples, to drill holes and sew the thing on with SS safety wire from
the airport workshop (or copper). A small bit of fairing lath and a
generous slathering of wood-filled epoxy and we've got an almost invisible
flapper valve. (If you pick the natural color polyethalene vs the red or
black ones.)
I got confused because I wanted SS staples for my pneumatic stapler.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@...>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about cutting up the lids from Pringle cans
> > for such duty. Wish I could find some stainless steel staples.
> >
> > Roger
>
> You could also use copper staples Roger and enjoy the patina :-)
>
> Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
Peter
> I've been thinking about cutting up the lids from Pringle cans forsuch
> duty. Wish I could find some stainless steel staples.You could also use copper staples Roger and enjoy the patina :-)
>
> Roger
Peter
I've been thinking about cutting up the lids from Pringle cans for such
duty. Wish I could find some stainless steel staples.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
duty. Wish I could find some stainless steel staples.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
> Is there any way you could install flexible "flaps" over the
> outboard openings to the drains so that water can drain but
> not back up?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dan_gonneau" <info@z...> wrote:
Is there any way you could install flexible "flaps" over the outboard
openings to the drains so that water can drain but not back up?
I am thinking of adding a coaming around the upper cockpit area (See
sketch in Bolger 3) mainly to offset the height of the house. Might
be useful to raise the cockpit sole up some as well so water would
not be so likely to back up. This would result in still enough height
for a nice backrest too:-)
Nels
> Nothing much to add to what is at the web site. I've lived withthe limitation of my
> cockpit "design": water backs up into the cockpit a bit underpower & at large angles
> of heel. If I were doing it all again, I'd raise the floor acouple of inches.
Is there any way you could install flexible "flaps" over the outboard
openings to the drains so that water can drain but not back up?
I am thinking of adding a coaming around the upper cockpit area (See
sketch in Bolger 3) mainly to offset the height of the house. Might
be useful to raise the cockpit sole up some as well so water would
not be so likely to back up. This would result in still enough height
for a nice backrest too:-)
Nels
> Nope, I've never even seen another Bolger boatSurely you have without knowning it. Not all Bolger boats are
> where I sail (Eastern Long Island, NY)!
> Except a beautiful Light Dory a while back and a Cartopper.
conspicuous. And there are David's Light Schooner, etc.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
should allow water to flow to the drainage holes.
cockpit "design": water backs up into the cockpit a bit under power & at large angles
of heel. If I were doing it all again, I'd raise the floor a couple of inches. Plus I'd
consider putting the rudder post inside a PVC pipe (i.e., the rudder post would slide
inside the pipe) attached (water tight) to the bottom. This would prevent a lot of
water from getting into the aft flooding well to begin with. To drain the water that
does get in there, I've got a dinghy bailer set into the bottom--another one on the
other side of the rudder post wouldn't hurt. These would let the rain water etc drain
out.
Except a beautiful Light Dory a while back and a Cartopper. Hope to make it to a
Messabout some day.
--Dan
Long Micro pages:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr.htm
> Hi Dan,Yes, or you could fly a jib off a jibboom from the mainmast like AS29!
>
> Great piece of advice and something one should consider. This also
> offers the option of flying a jib off a bowsprit as well!
>
> One disadvantage of having the mast there is that it blocks off theGood point, but 3/4" drainage holes at the base of the two mast tabernacle pieces
> free flooding bow area and anchor well to some extent, but other than
> that it seems to make the mast more easily accessable if one needs to
> free lines or whatever.
>
should allow water to flow to the drainage holes.
> I have pretty much downloaded your entire website some time ago. INothing much to add to what is at the web site. I've lived with the limitation of my
> liked the way you did the cabin. How are the mods to the cockpit
> working out? I would likely make a self-draining one too.
>
cockpit "design": water backs up into the cockpit a bit under power & at large angles
of heel. If I were doing it all again, I'd raise the floor a couple of inches. Plus I'd
consider putting the rudder post inside a PVC pipe (i.e., the rudder post would slide
inside the pipe) attached (water tight) to the bottom. This would prevent a lot of
water from getting into the aft flooding well to begin with. To drain the water that
does get in there, I've got a dinghy bailer set into the bottom--another one on the
other side of the rudder post wouldn't hurt. These would let the rain water etc drain
out.
> Would love to hear any further observations you may wish to share inNope, I've never even seen another Bolger boat where I sail (Eastern Long Island, NY)!
> using your LM. Have you had any opportunity to see or sail with any
> Micros to compare them to your boat?
>
Except a beautiful Light Dory a while back and a Cartopper. Hope to make it to a
Messabout some day.
> Did you ever figure out how the bow piece was intended to be secured?So far (nine years), my two ropes are doing the job.
> Funny how the instructions to that are missing eh?
>
> Cheers, NelsGood luck!
>
--Dan
Long Micro pages:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr.htm
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dan_gonneau" <info@z...> wrote:
> > The Navigator version looks very interesting, I'll just add one
> thought. Consider
> > mounting the mast on the first bulkhead rather than all the way in
> the bow.
> Hear Hear! Crowded with men and boys, swinging hammocks, chickens,Arrggghhhhh!
> creaking hull, stateroom broken down for battlestations, dark and
> musty belowdecks. I did object to what seemed like exploding
> cannonballs, but other than that, whoa!
Rum, (I hope this doesn't get me unsubscribed) buggery and the cat o'
nine tails ...... the three things what made the Royal Navy great!
Up spirits men, it's tot time agin'. Pass the rum and keep yer'
powder dry, anyone for "sippers", "gulpers" or "swappers"?
Bo'sun Bruce Hector
Who got out of the RCN(R) when they cut off the rum ration.
Sippers is to pay back a small favor (such as trading a watch) with a
sip from yer' daily tot of 4 ounces of over proof Pussers rum.
Gulpers paid off a bigger boon (such as coverin' fer ye' when awol
for a day ashore).
And swappers are when you traded with yer' mate for his entire tot so
you could get hammered Tuesday and he could do the same on Wednesday.
Ah, the Navy, there's no life like it, except pehaps, a weekend
Messabout in Gloucester.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
creaking hull, stateroom broken down for battlestations, dark and
musty belowdecks. I did object to what seemed like exploding
cannonballs, but other than that, whoa!
> Sorry for the double post.Hear Hear! Crowded with men and boys, swinging hammocks, chickens,
>
> Just got back from the movie,
> and I admit to closing my eyes
> during the gory moments.
>
> Still, Rose on the high seas
> is truly magnificant, and the
> details of the ship...you could
> almost smell it!
creaking hull, stateroom broken down for battlestations, dark and
musty belowdecks. I did object to what seemed like exploding
cannonballs, but other than that, whoa!
Sorry for the double post.
Just got back from the movie,
and I admit to closing my eyes
during the gory moments.
Still, Rose on the high seas
is truly magnificant, and the
details of the ship...you could
almost smell it!
Just got back from the movie,
and I admit to closing my eyes
during the gory moments.
Still, Rose on the high seas
is truly magnificant, and the
details of the ship...you could
almost smell it!
--- lon wells <lononriver@...> wrote:
> Rose is a United States Documented Vesselhttp://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/cgv_pkg.vessel_id_list?vessel_id_in=928811
>
> her design was updated to meet current Coast Guard
> standards. If she ever failed and it was design
> error
> Bolger would be sued not the British Admiralty.
> Bolger was the designer of this modern version of
> the
> Rose and deserves great credit.
> Lon
>
>
> --- craig o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
> > >He was "merely" serving as draftsman
> > >with the ghost of the designer looking over his
> > shoulder.
> >
> > An "Admiralty Draught" is far removed from a
> > building plan. Very far.
> > Very, very far (I've seen 'em).
> >
> > Bolger also redesigned the decks to give the ship
> > more headroom below
> > and some other things he discusses in one place or
> > another. It's far
> > more like his interpretation of Slocum's SPRAY.
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Rose is a United States Documented Vessel
http://www.st.nmfs.gov/pls/webpls/cgv_pkg.vessel_id_list?vessel_id_in=928811
her design was updated to meet current Coast Guard
standards. If she ever failed and it was design error
Bolger would be sued not the British Admiralty.
Bolger was the designer of this modern version of the
Rose and deserves great credit.
Lon
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standards. If she ever failed and it was design error
Bolger would be sued not the British Admiralty.
Bolger was the designer of this modern version of the
Rose and deserves great credit.
Lon
--- craig o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
> >He was "merely" serving as draftsman__________________________________
> >with the ghost of the designer looking over his
> shoulder.
>
> An "Admiralty Draught" is far removed from a
> building plan. Very far.
> Very, very far (I've seen 'em).
>
> Bolger also redesigned the decks to give the ship
> more headroom below
> and some other things he discusses in one place or
> another. It's far
> more like his interpretation of Slocum's SPRAY.
> --
> Craig O'Donnell
> Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
>
> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
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> <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
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>He was "merely" serving as draftsmanAn "Admiralty Draught" is far removed from a building plan. Very far.
>with the ghost of the designer looking over his shoulder.
Very, very far (I've seen 'em).
Bolger also redesigned the decks to give the ship more headroom below
and some other things he discusses in one place or another. It's far
more like his interpretation of Slocum's SPRAY.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
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Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
Why don't
> we pool the Superbrick funds and buy HMS Rose?
Perhaps we could convince our "new" Prime Minister to add Rose to the
Naval fleet. She probably has more fire power than most of your
current ships. May even be more modern than some of them too! Plus he
might need some protection for his own fleet of tax write-offs:-)
no sir, it's plain Screech for me! Then we can hunker down
> and discuss the Navigator mods for our Rose....
Are we talking real Screetch here - or that cheap imitation the
government stores are peddling?
Cheers, Nels (Who never had the honor of kissing the cod:-)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Your mast should work fine.
cross section as compared to the double chined- pointy bowed designs.
When I look in Lestat's hold there is a huge amount of open -
relatively flat space. Just imagine what it must look like inside
a "Loose Moose"?
Nels
> The Micro Navigator mizzen mast is onlyYes and tapers to 11/2" at the top.
> 3" diameter, is not *that* huge. I cut
> and rounded mine from two D.Fir 2x4's
> laminated together solid.
Your mast should work fine.
> > how complicated the galleyYes, Micro is far "curvier" - being shorter. I was thinking more in
> > drawers are on Seabird. ... For a LM
> > they would just be simple apple box shapes!
>
> Not in my case! The Micro is 'square' in
> only one of three directions. She is very
> much curved in the other two, and building
> the custom dressers and drawers on mine
> was certainly the toughest, trickiest,
> and most time consuming work on her yet.
cross section as compared to the double chined- pointy bowed designs.
When I look in Lestat's hold there is a huge amount of open -
relatively flat space. Just imagine what it must look like inside
a "Loose Moose"?
Nels
Hi Dan,
Great piece of advice and something one should consider. This also
offers the option of flying a jib off a bowsprit as well!
One disadvantage of having the mast there is that it blocks off the
free flooding bow area and anchor well to some extent, but other than
that it seems to make the mast more easily accessable if one needs to
free lines or whatever.
I have pretty much downloaded your entire website some time ago. I
liked the way you did the cabin. How are the mods to the cockpit
working out? I would likely make a self-draining one too.
Would love to hear any further observations you may wish to share in
using your LM. Have you had any opportunity to see or sail with any
Micros to compare them to your boat?
Did you ever figure out how the bow piece was intended to be secured?
Funny how the instructions to that are missing eh?
Cheers, Nels
Great piece of advice and something one should consider. This also
offers the option of flying a jib off a bowsprit as well!
One disadvantage of having the mast there is that it blocks off the
free flooding bow area and anchor well to some extent, but other than
that it seems to make the mast more easily accessable if one needs to
free lines or whatever.
I have pretty much downloaded your entire website some time ago. I
liked the way you did the cabin. How are the mods to the cockpit
working out? I would likely make a self-draining one too.
Would love to hear any further observations you may wish to share in
using your LM. Have you had any opportunity to see or sail with any
Micros to compare them to your boat?
Did you ever figure out how the bow piece was intended to be secured?
Funny how the instructions to that are missing eh?
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dan_gonneau" <info@z...> wrote:
> The Navigator version looks very interesting, I'll just add one
thought. Consider
> mounting the mast on the first bulkhead rather than all the way in
the bow.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
to the launch ramp? What do you plan on doing when you get there?
Jump into your Aston Martin and "fly" home in time to catch the 10
o'clock news and see what George Dubya is up to?
Seriously, the three favorite places I love to be are in the bush,
out on the water or in the mountains. And my favorite way to enjoy
these areas is to be fully self sufficient, with as much flexibility
as possible. I'm not interested in fishing or waterskiing, but I am
very interested in exploring places where most people never go.
Canoeing is one of the best ways to do this but it is also fairly
strenuous. So I am considering new alternatives. Sailing of course is
one alternative but it can be pretty strenuous as well for some.
Motorboats have never really interested me but the latest technology
in small 4-stroke motors has really caught my attention. So I can
visualize that a small trailerable motor-sailer just might be the
ticket to combining my love of exploring places where a lot of
boaters never bother to go, while sipping on a glass of liebfraumilch
and observing the nesting loons as a small filet of beef sizzles on
the portable barbie.
When canoeing - big lakes - are far more of a hazard than whitewater
rivers. Now I can see a means of exploring some of these big lakes as
well as big rivers and even canal systems.
Also my most enjoyable trips have been ones where I never have had a
tight schedule to meet which can happen when one gets drawn into a
journey that is overly ambitious. Keep it small, keep it simple, have
fun, stop often and admire the reflected clouds and the sun on the
water, the wind in the willows - ooops getting sentimental here.
The quickest way to travel from point "A" to point "B" in a boat is
when it is on a trailer or rrof rack or an airplane if one really
wants to fly:-)
I am at that age now, where a nice dry bed, a fully functional porta
potti and a travelling companion with a sense of humor - mean far
more than any hairy near misses with storms and mother nature. A good
boat is one that handles these vagaries and not one that has to try
to escape from them.
Actually I really like Retriever. I would imagine it would appeal to
a lot of the older crowd:-)
Cheers, Nels
> And just to keep it in the BFF(Bolger Family of Fun),I'd like tocoastal
> further Rogers impression by suggesting the 22'6" RETREIVER design
> for undramatic confident explorations of various waterways and
> inlets with enough reserve umph to "fly" back to the launchWhy Peter Why? Why must one have this compulsive need to "fly" back
> ramp.
to the launch ramp? What do you plan on doing when you get there?
Jump into your Aston Martin and "fly" home in time to catch the 10
o'clock news and see what George Dubya is up to?
Seriously, the three favorite places I love to be are in the bush,
out on the water or in the mountains. And my favorite way to enjoy
these areas is to be fully self sufficient, with as much flexibility
as possible. I'm not interested in fishing or waterskiing, but I am
very interested in exploring places where most people never go.
Canoeing is one of the best ways to do this but it is also fairly
strenuous. So I am considering new alternatives. Sailing of course is
one alternative but it can be pretty strenuous as well for some.
Motorboats have never really interested me but the latest technology
in small 4-stroke motors has really caught my attention. So I can
visualize that a small trailerable motor-sailer just might be the
ticket to combining my love of exploring places where a lot of
boaters never bother to go, while sipping on a glass of liebfraumilch
and observing the nesting loons as a small filet of beef sizzles on
the portable barbie.
When canoeing - big lakes - are far more of a hazard than whitewater
rivers. Now I can see a means of exploring some of these big lakes as
well as big rivers and even canal systems.
Also my most enjoyable trips have been ones where I never have had a
tight schedule to meet which can happen when one gets drawn into a
journey that is overly ambitious. Keep it small, keep it simple, have
fun, stop often and admire the reflected clouds and the sun on the
water, the wind in the willows - ooops getting sentimental here.
The quickest way to travel from point "A" to point "B" in a boat is
when it is on a trailer or rrof rack or an airplane if one really
wants to fly:-)
I am at that age now, where a nice dry bed, a fully functional porta
potti and a travelling companion with a sense of humor - mean far
more than any hairy near misses with storms and mother nature. A good
boat is one that handles these vagaries and not one that has to try
to escape from them.
Actually I really like Retriever. I would imagine it would appeal to
a lot of the older crowd:-)
Cheers, Nels
Mr. Bolger may disagree, but my humble opinion is that the inspired art in
Wenda outshines the talented interpretation of HMS Rose, magnificent though
she may be.
I was fortunate enough to see her (Rose, that is) sailing in the Cristoforo
Colon Quincentennial in Puerto Rico; wow! She cut a very fine figure,
surrounded as she was by a fleet of great, clumsy training ships from all
the expiring Eastern Bloc nations.
Nonetheless, I dream of Wenda more than our Rose....
David Romasco
PS - If the price I saw was correct for Rose, she's a bit cheaper than that
Canuck aircraft carrier we were bruiting about some time back.... Why don't
we pool the Superbrick funds and buy HMS Rose? Then we can all attend the
Gloucester Getogether with some place to stay (18" per seaperson
guaranteed), and if those hoity-toity types in Gloucester don't like having
a pack of Bolgeradoes carousing on their sacred soil, why, then.... beat to
quarters! Run out the guns! Mr. Hector! You may fire upon the town! (or
something like that, anyway). As long as I don't have to drink that sludge
he calls beer; no sir, it's plain Screech for me! Then we can hunker down
and discuss the Navigator mods for our Rose....
_____
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newspaper article on the Rose
Wenda outshines the talented interpretation of HMS Rose, magnificent though
she may be.
I was fortunate enough to see her (Rose, that is) sailing in the Cristoforo
Colon Quincentennial in Puerto Rico; wow! She cut a very fine figure,
surrounded as she was by a fleet of great, clumsy training ships from all
the expiring Eastern Bloc nations.
Nonetheless, I dream of Wenda more than our Rose....
David Romasco
PS - If the price I saw was correct for Rose, she's a bit cheaper than that
Canuck aircraft carrier we were bruiting about some time back.... Why don't
we pool the Superbrick funds and buy HMS Rose? Then we can all attend the
Gloucester Getogether with some place to stay (18" per seaperson
guaranteed), and if those hoity-toity types in Gloucester don't like having
a pack of Bolgeradoes carousing on their sacred soil, why, then.... beat to
quarters! Run out the guns! Mr. Hector! You may fire upon the town! (or
something like that, anyway). As long as I don't have to drink that sludge
he calls beer; no sir, it's plain Screech for me! Then we can hunker down
and discuss the Navigator mods for our Rose....
_____
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:05 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newspaper article on the Rose
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
> One visualizes the chilly reception the builders yard gave when
presented
> with an Admiralty model for construction guidance....
>
> David Romasco
>
Indeed :-D !
Otherwise,Bolgers involvement with the ROSE is somewhat akin to what
he did for the Albert Strange canoe-yawl,WENDA featured in a past
issue of WOODENBOAT magazine.He was "merely" serving as draftsman
with the ghost of the designer looking over his shoulder.
Peter Lenihan
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David Romasco" <dromasco@g...> wrote:
Otherwise,Bolgers involvement with the ROSE is somewhat akin to what
he did for the Albert Strange canoe-yawl,WENDA featured in a past
issue of WOODENBOAT magazine.He was "merely" serving as draftsman
with the ghost of the designer looking over his shoulder.
Peter Lenihan
> One visualizes the chilly reception the builders yard gave whenpresented
> with an Admiralty model for construction guidance....Indeed :-D !
>
> David Romasco
>
Otherwise,Bolgers involvement with the ROSE is somewhat akin to what
he did for the Albert Strange canoe-yawl,WENDA featured in a past
issue of WOODENBOAT magazine.He was "merely" serving as draftsman
with the ghost of the designer looking over his shoulder.
Peter Lenihan
One visualizes the chilly reception the builders yard gave when presented
with an Admiralty model for construction guidance....
David Romasco
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:12 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Newspaper article on the Rose
with an Admiralty model for construction guidance....
David Romasco
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:12 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Newspaper article on the Rose
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
> Yeah I was waiting to see who would catch that first...
>
> Paul
>
If I recall,Bolger essentially re-drew the plans for the ROSE. He
is not the designer,as such.She was designed a loooong time ago and
most likely without the amount of detail( on paper) required for a
modern day boat yard to build to,much less offer up a quote on. Hence
his involvement in the original project.
At least that is my understanding of the ROSE.
Peter Lenihan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Romasco [mailto:dromasco@g...]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:55 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Newspaper article on the Rose
>
>
> Oh, here we go...... "built in 1970 in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, from
plans on
> file at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England. "
>
> David Romasco
>
> _____
>
> From: Paul Lefebvre [mailto:paul@w...]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:28 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Newspaper article on the Rose
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
is not the designer,as such.She was designed a loooong time ago and
most likely without the amount of detail( on paper) required for a
modern day boat yard to build to,much less offer up a quote on. Hence
his involvement in the original project.
At least that is my understanding of the ROSE.
Peter Lenihan
egroup
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> Yeah I was waiting to see who would catch that first...If I recall,Bolger essentially re-drew the plans for the ROSE. He
>
> Paul
>
is not the designer,as such.She was designed a loooong time ago and
most likely without the amount of detail( on paper) required for a
modern day boat yard to build to,much less offer up a quote on. Hence
his involvement in the original project.
At least that is my understanding of the ROSE.
Peter Lenihan
> -----Original Message-----plans on
> From: David Romasco [mailto:dromasco@g...]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:55 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
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--- Nels wrote:
convinced that the batten sheets do
take driving force, *and* they are
useful for controlling twist.
3" diameter, is not *that* huge. I cut
and rounded mine from two D.Fir 2x4's
laminated together solid.
sort of 'proto-type', and upgrade to real
sail cloth only later if deemed necessary.
only one of three directions. She is very
much curved in the other two, and building
the custom dressers and drawers on mine
was certainly the toughest, trickiest,
and most time consuming work on her yet.
> very little stress from the battensAfter giving it much thought, I am
> onto the mizzenmast. These sheets are
> presumably only to keep the sail from
> twisting right?
convinced that the batten sheets do
take driving force, *and* they are
useful for controlling twist.
> If they start to bend the mizzen itThe Micro Navigator mizzen mast is only
> is time to drop a panel.
3" diameter, is not *that* huge. I cut
and rounded mine from two D.Fir 2x4's
laminated together solid.
> Are you going to use real sail cloth,I plan to use white Polytarp, as a
> tyvek or poly tarp for starters?
sort of 'proto-type', and upgrade to real
sail cloth only later if deemed necessary.
> how complicated the galleyNot in my case! The Micro is 'square' in
> drawers are on Seabird. ... For a LM
> they would just be simple apple box shapes!
only one of three directions. She is very
much curved in the other two, and building
the custom dressers and drawers on mine
was certainly the toughest, trickiest,
and most time consuming work on her yet.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
As you likely know, Derek Waters has converted a standard MICRO to
the Navigator rig and made the main mast from fir using the
birdsmouth technique. (No taper of course.) He claims that there is
very little stress from the battens onto the mizzen mast. These
sheets are presumably only to keep the sail from twisting right? If
they start to bend the mizzen it is time to drop a panel.
Perhaps just make both masts the same way - with little or no taper?
I can hardly wait to see some photos of your MN under sail! Are you
going to use real sail cloth, tyvek or poly tarp for starters? I was
wondering if there was some way to coat tyvek to cover all the
writing on it? Tyvek is an amazing material.
as compared to one that is all tapered and cut away. I noticed on
page 254 of BWAOM - how complicated the galley drawers are on
Seabird. (Reference numbers 61 through 65 on the plans.) For a LM
they would just be simple apple box shapes! Bolgers "tiddly" comment
is at the bottom of page 256:-)
Nels
> Notice that the mizzen mast in the Chinese GaffGood point Bruce.
> Cat Yawl rig is upsized from the thinner and tapered
> mizzen mast of the original Micro. The sheets from
> the battens and the gaff lead to the mizzen mast
> (now acting as a sheeting staff) therefore it
> needs to be stronger.
As you likely know, Derek Waters has converted a standard MICRO to
the Navigator rig and made the main mast from fir using the
birdsmouth technique. (No taper of course.) He claims that there is
very little stress from the battens onto the mizzen mast. These
sheets are presumably only to keep the sail from twisting right? If
they start to bend the mizzen it is time to drop a panel.
Perhaps just make both masts the same way - with little or no taper?
I can hardly wait to see some photos of your MN under sail! Are you
going to use real sail cloth, tyvek or poly tarp for starters? I was
wondering if there was some way to coat tyvek to cover all the
writing on it? Tyvek is an amazing material.
>Well you know it is quite amazing how much volume is in a square box
> > Why then not build a Chebacco? Well you and I know
> > the answer to that. The MICRO designs are far
> > superior!;-)
>
> The Chebacco might be prettier, but the Micro has
> more room to cruise.
>
> Check the group poll, Micro has a narrow lead on
> Chebacco. :)
as compared to one that is all tapered and cut away. I noticed on
page 254 of BWAOM - how complicated the galley drawers are on
Seabird. (Reference numbers 61 through 65 on the plans.) For a LM
they would just be simple apple box shapes! Bolgers "tiddly" comment
is at the bottom of page 256:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
then I might be interested. I've seen several for sale on the west
coast but they were way too heavy for what I want not to mention a
way too expensive.
Wonder if Bruce Devlin has sold his yet? He has reduced the price to
less than half of what he has invested in it.
A lot of the guys around here have big diesel farm trucks and pull
25 - 35 or more foot 5th wheel trailers. I have a 17 foot trailer
that is just right for me. Has 15 X 8 feet of living space and pulls
like a dream. A sailing equivalent would also suit me fine I would
think:-)
The 25 foot Chebacco and Long Micro have about that much space
although the LM Navigator has more volume than the Chebacco and is
over 5 feet shorter. LM Navigator would have about 144 cubic feet
more space than the Micro Navigator and it already seems pretty huge
as Bruce and Don from NZ can likely testify to. Also the MICRO's have
no centerboard cases. Could never quite understand them but I love
the free flooding end wells too!
Seabird 86 is a really beautiful boat too and there is a Doghouse
version of it. But it's double chine construction is more "tiddly"
at anchor according to PCB. And I may be living aboard for a few
months at a time.
Also - it's size on a trailer would be significantly different than
Micro and Long Micro.
Cheers, Nels
> Sounds like you really want a troller.pounds and they sailed single-handed and had tabernacled masts -
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
>
>Well, IF the all up weight was between two and three thousand
then I might be interested. I've seen several for sale on the west
coast but they were way too heavy for what I want not to mention a
way too expensive.
Wonder if Bruce Devlin has sold his yet? He has reduced the price to
less than half of what he has invested in it.
A lot of the guys around here have big diesel farm trucks and pull
25 - 35 or more foot 5th wheel trailers. I have a 17 foot trailer
that is just right for me. Has 15 X 8 feet of living space and pulls
like a dream. A sailing equivalent would also suit me fine I would
think:-)
The 25 foot Chebacco and Long Micro have about that much space
although the LM Navigator has more volume than the Chebacco and is
over 5 feet shorter. LM Navigator would have about 144 cubic feet
more space than the Micro Navigator and it already seems pretty huge
as Bruce and Don from NZ can likely testify to. Also the MICRO's have
no centerboard cases. Could never quite understand them but I love
the free flooding end wells too!
Seabird 86 is a really beautiful boat too and there is a Doghouse
version of it. But it's double chine construction is more "tiddly"
at anchor according to PCB. And I may be living aboard for a few
months at a time.
Also - it's size on a trailer would be significantly different than
Micro and Long Micro.
Cheers, Nels
The Navigator version looks very interesting, I'll just add one thought. Consider
mounting the mast on the first bulkhead rather than all the way in the bow. This
would work nicely with a "true" junk rig (which has sail forward of the mast) or lug rig
(like Martha Jane). The LM has plenty of sail area, I doubt the reduction versus having
the mast all the way in the bow would be too significant. Just a thought.
Good luck!
Dan
Long Micro Mini-FAQ:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr_faq.htm
Long Micro photos:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr.htm
mounting the mast on the first bulkhead rather than all the way in the bow. This
would work nicely with a "true" junk rig (which has sail forward of the mast) or lug rig
(like Martha Jane). The LM has plenty of sail area, I doubt the reduction versus having
the mast all the way in the bow would be too significant. Just a thought.
Good luck!
Dan
Long Micro Mini-FAQ:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr_faq.htm
Long Micro photos:http://www.znw.com/homepage/zephyr.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> As mentioned in a previous post I have approached PCB&F about a
> Navigator version of LONG MICRO. However it is not going to happen in
> the foreseeable future.
Yeah I was waiting to see who would catch that first...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: David Romasco [mailto:dromasco@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:55 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Newspaper article on the Rose
Oh, here we go...... "built in 1970 in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, from plans on
file at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England. "
David Romasco
_____
From: Paul Lefebvre [mailto:paul@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:28 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Newspaper article on the Rose
this might be of interest:
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Oh, here we go...... "built in 1970 in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, from plans on
file at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England. "
David Romasco
_____
From: Paul Lefebvre [mailto:paul@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:28 PM
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Subject: [bolger] Newspaper article on the Rose
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
further Rogers impression by suggesting the 22'6" RETREIVER design
for undramatic confident explorations of various waterways and coatal
inlets with enough reserve umph to "fly" back to the launch
ramp.Further advantages;what is saved from the LMN rig can go toward
the power-plant,fully developed plans ie;no guess work,full designer
support and a cozy workable interior with a stout flat bottom for
predictable trailer launchings.Of course,Nels may not be too excited
by all this since he comes from a small foot-print canoe-camping
background and might prefer the"gentler" aspects of a sail
driven "escape vehicle". In which case I would just add a riding sail
to the RETREIVER :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,always ready to stir up fun............
> Sounds like you really want a troller.And just to keep it in the BFF(Bolger Family of Fun),I'd like to
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@s...
>http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
>
further Rogers impression by suggesting the 22'6" RETREIVER design
for undramatic confident explorations of various waterways and coatal
inlets with enough reserve umph to "fly" back to the launch
ramp.Further advantages;what is saved from the LMN rig can go toward
the power-plant,fully developed plans ie;no guess work,full designer
support and a cozy workable interior with a stout flat bottom for
predictable trailer launchings.Of course,Nels may not be too excited
by all this since he comes from a small foot-print canoe-camping
background and might prefer the"gentler" aspects of a sail
driven "escape vehicle". In which case I would just add a riding sail
to the RETREIVER :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,always ready to stir up fun............
Oh, here we go...... "built in 1970 in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, from plans on
file at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England. "
David Romasco
_____
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:28 PM
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--- Nels wrote:
Cat Yawl rig is upsized from the thinner and tapered
mizzen mast of the original Micro. The sheets from
the battens and the gaff lead to the mizzen mast
(now acting as a sheeting staff) therefore it
needs to be stronger.
more room to cruise.
Check the group poll, Micro has a narrow lead on
Chebacco. :)
> I upgraded the sketch to include the Chinese LugNotice that the mizzen mast in the Chinese Gaff
> rig.
Cat Yawl rig is upsized from the thinner and tapered
mizzen mast of the original Micro. The sheets from
the battens and the gaff lead to the mizzen mast
(now acting as a sheeting staff) therefore it
needs to be stronger.
> Why then not build a Chebacco? Well you and I knowThe Chebacco might be prettier, but the Micro has
> the answer to that. The MICRO designs are far
> superior!;-)
more room to cruise.
Check the group poll, Micro has a narrow lead on
Chebacco. :)
Sounds like you really want a troller.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
<snip>
> Why then not build a Chebacco? Well you and I know
> the answer to that. The MICRO designs are far
> superior!;-)
>
> Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Yes my plan would be to get the MICRO Navigator
Supplement.
Navigator would not work. My first choice is to
use the tiller as designed for LM and do all my
steering from the cockpit. At some point may
want to get a remote system like THE
FAST MOTORSAILER.
too. Small table inside - most of the cooking done
outside. I saw a plan for a "Seacook Stove" where
you can move it around to more than one location.
I upgraded the sketch to include the Chinese Lug
rig. Basically the LM version would have a longer
cabin, more headroom, a small cockpit, folding
masts and a head like Offshore Chebacco.
Why then not build a Chebacco? Well you and I know
the answer to that. The MICRO designs are far
superior!;-)
Nels
> As, even with the Micro Navigator,Hi Bruce,
> the cabin is a "cut to fit" construction
> and the plans give not too many details.
> I have no doubt that one could build
> a Navigator, from your sketch (and a dose
> of common sense), on a Long Micro hull.
Yes my plan would be to get the MICRO Navigator
Supplement.
>I realized that the tiller conversion as in MICRO
> But, I see one 'for sure' problem. The tiller
> appears to extend through [and spoil] your small
> cockpit. Some kind of workaround would be
> needed. Perhaps, moving the rear wall of the
> cabin forward 18" might work. See sketch:
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/LM%20Micro.gif
Navigator would not work. My first choice is to
use the tiller as designed for LM and do all my
steering from the cockpit. At some point may
want to get a remote system like THE
FAST MOTORSAILER.
>Great - that is pretty much what I am looking at
> Also, the LM sail plan needs to be modified to
> clear the cabin. I feel that the PB&F designed
> sail plan is worth every penny of the purchase
> price of the Micro Navigator plans.
>
> One of the motivations you mention is more
> galley space in a LM Navigator. I am feeling
> pretty happy with the galley ergonomics
> in the Micro Navigator (all things considered).
>
> You stand in the cabin facing aft with the
> camping stove on the afterdeck. I also have
> devised a slide away table, which allows you
> to sit civilized on the berths and eat,
> TV tray style.
too. Small table inside - most of the cooking done
outside. I saw a plan for a "Seacook Stove" where
you can move it around to more than one location.
I upgraded the sketch to include the Chinese Lug
rig. Basically the LM version would have a longer
cabin, more headroom, a small cockpit, folding
masts and a head like Offshore Chebacco.
Why then not build a Chebacco? Well you and I know
the answer to that. The MICRO designs are far
superior!;-)
Nels
--- Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
the cabin is a "cut to fit" construction
and the plans give not too many details.
I have no doubt that one could build
a Navigator, from your sketch (and a dose
of common sense), on a Long Micro hull.
But, I see one 'for sure' problem. The tiller
appears to extend through [and spoil] your small
cockpit. Some kind of workaround would be
needed. Perhaps, moving the rear wall of the
cabin forward 18" might work. See sketch:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/LM%20Micro.gif
Also, the LM sail plan needs to be modified to
clear the cabin. I feel that the PB&F designed
sail plan is worth every penny of the purchase
price of the Micro Navigator plans.
One of the motivations you mention is more
galley space in a LM Navigator. I am feeling
pretty happy with the galley ergonomics
in the Micro Navigator (all things considered).
You stand in the cabin facing aft with the
camping stove on the afterdeck. I also have
devised a slide away table, which allows you
to sit civilized on the berths and eat,
TV tray style.
> uploaded in Bolger 3 -As, even with the Micro Navigator,
> a small rough sketch
> of what one might
> look like -
the cabin is a "cut to fit" construction
and the plans give not too many details.
I have no doubt that one could build
a Navigator, from your sketch (and a dose
of common sense), on a Long Micro hull.
But, I see one 'for sure' problem. The tiller
appears to extend through [and spoil] your small
cockpit. Some kind of workaround would be
needed. Perhaps, moving the rear wall of the
cabin forward 18" might work. See sketch:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/LM%20Micro.gif
Also, the LM sail plan needs to be modified to
clear the cabin. I feel that the PB&F designed
sail plan is worth every penny of the purchase
price of the Micro Navigator plans.
One of the motivations you mention is more
galley space in a LM Navigator. I am feeling
pretty happy with the galley ergonomics
in the Micro Navigator (all things considered).
You stand in the cabin facing aft with the
camping stove on the afterdeck. I also have
devised a slide away table, which allows you
to sit civilized on the berths and eat,
TV tray style.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
about LM to begin with:-) - I changed things a bit down at Bolger 3.
I created a FOLDER entitled LONG MICRO and added the sketch in two
sizes of the LMN along with a cartoon of the regular design.
I cleaned up my sketch a wee bit, added a rear overhang to the house
and tabernacles to both masts and patched on a Chinese lug rig. It
was really a surprise to see that the shorter mast had very little
overhang astern. Just compare it to the old mast!
I never drew in all the sail control and safety lines etc.
I expect there will be some concerns with the rig in the bow and the
large wind resistance from the house. So far I feel the weight of the
larger motor will compensate and the windage factor just means I run
the motor more often if needing to counteract the wind. Also the
mizzen mast my require a smaller area or perhaps have brails on it to
allow for weather helm?
Sorry they aren't gifs but I already had it done before aI noticed
the other post. I will try that next time.
This is a slow learning curve for me.
Cheers, Nels
>>Well, thanks to Peter's vote of confidence (I know he is not crazy
> I have uploaded in Bolger 3 -
about LM to begin with:-) - I changed things a bit down at Bolger 3.
I created a FOLDER entitled LONG MICRO and added the sketch in two
sizes of the LMN along with a cartoon of the regular design.
I cleaned up my sketch a wee bit, added a rear overhang to the house
and tabernacles to both masts and patched on a Chinese lug rig. It
was really a surprise to see that the shorter mast had very little
overhang astern. Just compare it to the old mast!
I never drew in all the sail control and safety lines etc.
I expect there will be some concerns with the rig in the bow and the
large wind resistance from the house. So far I feel the weight of the
larger motor will compensate and the windage factor just means I run
the motor more often if needing to counteract the wind. Also the
mizzen mast my require a smaller area or perhaps have brails on it to
allow for weather helm?
Sorry they aren't gifs but I already had it done before aI noticed
the other post. I will try that next time.
This is a slow learning curve for me.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
drooling over the photo of Schoedinger at chebacco.com. I really like
the way you installed the "Glass" on the house. Seems to be very
practical and strong and what I would do as well. I also read your
articles about camp cruising and noted your comments about
condensation after a few rainy days. This can be a real challenge in
cool wet weather.
I have also contacted several other CHEBACCO builders, including the
builders of "Two Grumpy Old Men" and a fellow in Autralia as well as
Roger Owen in this group.
Funny how - when a person falls in love with a particular design -
you wonder how come everyone else is not as enthralled as you are!
I find the Lapstrake CHEBACCO 25 to be an incredibley beautiful boat
and yet I know of only one person attempting to build her. I figure a
strip - built, offshore version would be another possibility as a
part time liveaboard and an excellent motorsailer. With a flatter run
aft, than the standard version - PCB claims she should plane with a
15 hp motor - which is also almost hidden from sight!
I figure she would be a head turner whether inside looking out or the
other way around. With her shallow keel and aluminum plate
centerboard she can sail in the shallows and still make significnat
offshore passages.
I really believe that LONG MICRO, CHEBACCO 25 And SEABIRD 86 are all
designs that have been sadly neglected and are almost the equal of
some the newer designs that are much more complicated and expensive
to build.
Three three designs reach about the limit of practicality as a
trailer sailer. However, my experience of using a cradle and flatbed
trailer has really changed my viewpoint on trailering boats with
keels. Plus the trailer can be used for other purposes. For Lestat I
have built a cable winching system that gives me the equivalent to
about a 40 foot trailer tongue extension. Launching from cradle
allows the boat to float off and onto the trailer according to Peter
the Pirate. So no rollers or bunks are required.
As for slapping at anchor - Has anyone tried ear plugs?? This is an
old shift workers trick.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> You should drop buy for a winter sail in Schoedinger.Yes! I must admit that I have spent more than a few idle moments
> >
drooling over the photo of Schoedinger at chebacco.com. I really like
the way you installed the "Glass" on the house. Seems to be very
practical and strong and what I would do as well. I also read your
articles about camp cruising and noted your comments about
condensation after a few rainy days. This can be a real challenge in
cool wet weather.
I have also contacted several other CHEBACCO builders, including the
builders of "Two Grumpy Old Men" and a fellow in Autralia as well as
Roger Owen in this group.
Funny how - when a person falls in love with a particular design -
you wonder how come everyone else is not as enthralled as you are!
I find the Lapstrake CHEBACCO 25 to be an incredibley beautiful boat
and yet I know of only one person attempting to build her. I figure a
strip - built, offshore version would be another possibility as a
part time liveaboard and an excellent motorsailer. With a flatter run
aft, than the standard version - PCB claims she should plane with a
15 hp motor - which is also almost hidden from sight!
I figure she would be a head turner whether inside looking out or the
other way around. With her shallow keel and aluminum plate
centerboard she can sail in the shallows and still make significnat
offshore passages.
I really believe that LONG MICRO, CHEBACCO 25 And SEABIRD 86 are all
designs that have been sadly neglected and are almost the equal of
some the newer designs that are much more complicated and expensive
to build.
Three three designs reach about the limit of practicality as a
trailer sailer. However, my experience of using a cradle and flatbed
trailer has really changed my viewpoint on trailering boats with
keels. Plus the trailer can be used for other purposes. For Lestat I
have built a cable winching system that gives me the equivalent to
about a 40 foot trailer tongue extension. Launching from cradle
allows the boat to float off and onto the trailer according to Peter
the Pirate. So no rollers or bunks are required.
As for slapping at anchor - Has anyone tried ear plugs?? This is an
old shift workers trick.
Cheers, Nels
You should drop buy for a winter sail in Schoedinger.
>
> Yes I know it is ugly but, when sitting back in the pouring rain with
> a hot buttered rum in hand - infront to said fireplace, almiring the
> northwest coastal mountains through the picture windows - I wonder
> what part would really look that ugly?
>
> Feedback welcomed.
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
>
As mentioned in a previous post I have approached PCB&F about a
Navigator version of LONG MICRO. However it is not going to happen in
the foreseeable future.
I have uploaded in Bolger 3 - a small rough sketch of what one might
look like - if one took the "glass house" off the CHEBACCO2 and
grafted it onto a LM. The file is entitled "LM Navigator".
There is incredibly little information available about LM so - for
those who are not familiar with it - it is essentially a re-design of
MICRO with four feet added to the mid section. It sets a tremendous
stretch of canvas and the mast is getting really tall, so it has been
designed to be installed in a tabernacle with a piece in the bow that
opens to allow for the swinging of the mast forward as well as down.
The forward bunks are more parallel than in MICRO with more space
between with a "cooking flat" forward. The cockpit is even bigger
than MICRO'S with a double hatch over the hold. Also it has an end
plate on the rudder and the lead keel insert is almost a perfect
rectangle with just a slight curvature along the keel.
Building a Navigator version would give extra space for a cooking
area to be installed in the foreward hold as shown in SEABIRD 86 as
well as a head system as described in the offshore CHEBACCO mod. And
still leave room for a small cockpit aft - which is a major
shortcoming of the the MICRO NAVIGATOR in many peoples minds.
LMN would also have space for a full double bed forward and sette
space under the house, forward of the galley. This area of the boat
should have a least six feet of headroom as shown.
Of course there is still the Chinese lug rig to look at and inside
steering. A Yamaha T9.9 with alternator should give power to charrge
the two 6 volt golf cart batteries, with space on deck for solar
panels.
I feel it would easily carry enough stores for a month or more and
have some offshore capabilities.
Oh I almost forgot the Force 10 Cozy Cabin heater:-)
Yes I know it is ugly but, when sitting back in the pouring rain with
a hot buttered rum in hand - infront to said fireplace, almiring the
northwest coastal mountains through the picture windows - I wonder
what part would really look that ugly?
Feedback welcomed.
Cheers, Nels
Navigator version of LONG MICRO. However it is not going to happen in
the foreseeable future.
I have uploaded in Bolger 3 - a small rough sketch of what one might
look like - if one took the "glass house" off the CHEBACCO2 and
grafted it onto a LM. The file is entitled "LM Navigator".
There is incredibly little information available about LM so - for
those who are not familiar with it - it is essentially a re-design of
MICRO with four feet added to the mid section. It sets a tremendous
stretch of canvas and the mast is getting really tall, so it has been
designed to be installed in a tabernacle with a piece in the bow that
opens to allow for the swinging of the mast forward as well as down.
The forward bunks are more parallel than in MICRO with more space
between with a "cooking flat" forward. The cockpit is even bigger
than MICRO'S with a double hatch over the hold. Also it has an end
plate on the rudder and the lead keel insert is almost a perfect
rectangle with just a slight curvature along the keel.
Building a Navigator version would give extra space for a cooking
area to be installed in the foreward hold as shown in SEABIRD 86 as
well as a head system as described in the offshore CHEBACCO mod. And
still leave room for a small cockpit aft - which is a major
shortcoming of the the MICRO NAVIGATOR in many peoples minds.
LMN would also have space for a full double bed forward and sette
space under the house, forward of the galley. This area of the boat
should have a least six feet of headroom as shown.
Of course there is still the Chinese lug rig to look at and inside
steering. A Yamaha T9.9 with alternator should give power to charrge
the two 6 volt golf cart batteries, with space on deck for solar
panels.
I feel it would easily carry enough stores for a month or more and
have some offshore capabilities.
Oh I almost forgot the Force 10 Cozy Cabin heater:-)
Yes I know it is ugly but, when sitting back in the pouring rain with
a hot buttered rum in hand - infront to said fireplace, almiring the
northwest coastal mountains through the picture windows - I wonder
what part would really look that ugly?
Feedback welcomed.
Cheers, Nels