Re: Chebacco's dinghy
A Race. I can never pass up a sailboat race.
How 'bout I tow my Hobie 16. (I'm a bad loser.)
That sounds great if I can figure out how to get my "Toad" there
without hindering my trip too much. The "Toad" doesn't tow very well
at planing speeds.
I haven't tried it yet, but it might just fit over the slot top on my
PK-20.
When considering how I wanted to cover that slot for foul weather one
of my thoughts Was a 9'Pram Dinghy designed to fit (upside down) over
the slot top and part of the cabin top.
That would give nearly standing headroom and a little work area (the
cabin top) when the dinghy was on there.
It would also be the official dinghy for the PK. But there aren't
many places a dinghy can go that the PK can't so I decided the PK Was
the dinghy too, and decided too much work and weight and just went
with the "Fabric" (blue tarp) slot top cover over bent CPVC pipe
instead.
An "Elegant Punt" race sounds like a lot of fun. You can hold it in
a very limited space since they don't go very fast.
They are exciting to race despite their size and "speed". (I use that
term Very Loosly). Two friends of mine build Elegant Punts so we
could race, but neither liked the leeboards and put in dagger boards
instead. The dagger boards took up most of the room in the boats and
both Leaked.
Neither of the friends took care of their boats and left them in the
rain to fill with water.
That "Test" of Luanne proved that an Elegant Punt will last only one
season if left uncovered over a winter.
Both are gone now, but mine is still nearly good as new after 20
years.
You like the Good Beer. I better do a little practicing and brush up
on the Rules.
Hope to see you at Sucia in July and before that other places.
Have fun.
"The Elegant Punt" is high on my list of the world's best boat.
(considering material and building ease.)
Pat Patteson
With (maybe) a bright red Towed "Toad".
How 'bout I tow my Hobie 16. (I'm a bad loser.)
That sounds great if I can figure out how to get my "Toad" there
without hindering my trip too much. The "Toad" doesn't tow very well
at planing speeds.
I haven't tried it yet, but it might just fit over the slot top on my
PK-20.
When considering how I wanted to cover that slot for foul weather one
of my thoughts Was a 9'Pram Dinghy designed to fit (upside down) over
the slot top and part of the cabin top.
That would give nearly standing headroom and a little work area (the
cabin top) when the dinghy was on there.
It would also be the official dinghy for the PK. But there aren't
many places a dinghy can go that the PK can't so I decided the PK Was
the dinghy too, and decided too much work and weight and just went
with the "Fabric" (blue tarp) slot top cover over bent CPVC pipe
instead.
An "Elegant Punt" race sounds like a lot of fun. You can hold it in
a very limited space since they don't go very fast.
They are exciting to race despite their size and "speed". (I use that
term Very Loosly). Two friends of mine build Elegant Punts so we
could race, but neither liked the leeboards and put in dagger boards
instead. The dagger boards took up most of the room in the boats and
both Leaked.
Neither of the friends took care of their boats and left them in the
rain to fill with water.
That "Test" of Luanne proved that an Elegant Punt will last only one
season if left uncovered over a winter.
Both are gone now, but mine is still nearly good as new after 20
years.
You like the Good Beer. I better do a little practicing and brush up
on the Rules.
Hope to see you at Sucia in July and before that other places.
Have fun.
"The Elegant Punt" is high on my list of the world's best boat.
(considering material and building ease.)
Pat Patteson
With (maybe) a bright red Towed "Toad".
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jas_orr" <jas_orr@y...> wrote:
> I'll third the suggestion. I towed an Elegant Punt behind our
> Chebacco for five days this summer and it behaved perfectly. It
> carried three of us: myself, my wife and our 15 year old son
without
> trouble -- two adults is an easy load. The flat bottom lends some
> stability, but the reason we chose it originally was that it
doesn't
> require glass or resin -- my then 8 year old son and I built it,
and
> I didn't want him exposed to toxic stuff.
>
> Any towed dinghy can be a nuisance if the weather is bad. I lost
> this one once in a storm at night, but got lucky and got it back
> after two days when it was seen and picked up by a ferry. We often
> carry a small inflatable in one of the rear lockers -- another
> feature of the Chebacco is lots of storage room!
>
> Pat, we'll be towing our elegant punt to Sucia next summer, sail
rig
> and all. If you make a mast for yours and John brings his sail we
> can hold some punt races! Loser buys the winner a beer?
>
> Jamie Orr
> Proud (father of the) owner of the 7 Year old Elegant Punt,
> Creamsicle.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "antec007" <pateson@c...> wrote:
> > I'd second that suggestion for an "Elegant Punt".
> > My "Elegant Punt" is even named "Toad" because it has spent so
much
> > of its life being "Towed".
> > It will carry 2 adults or a quarter ton of gear and is light
enough
> > to carry or lift on deck, if necessary.
> > It tows well and is dry. I'd make sure it has a skeg though.
> > The for and aft seat is great for allowing one or two people to
use
> > the boat and row, but Is in the way for safe boarding.
> > With the flat bottom I think it has more initial stbility than
> either
> > the Nymph or Nutshell and is easier to build.
> > It rows pretty well for a 7-1/2' box and Will even sail. (but I
> > wouldn't bother with the sail rig. The rig costs more than the
> boat
> > and you will already have a Nice sailboat.)
> > My only suggestion would be to maybe widen it 3 or 4 inches to
give
> a
> > little More stability when stepping in. (Any Dink will be
somewhat
> > tippy) I believe the designed width had more to do with getting
all
> > the parts to fit on 2 sheets of plywood than anything else.
Being
> a
> > square ended, flat bottomed boat it would be very easy to widen
it
> a
> > little.
> >
> > Best of all with Bolger's fine eye for a curve,
> > it is just So Darn "Cute".
> >
> > Pat Patteson
> > Proud owner of the 20 Year old Luanne "Elegant Punt", "Toad".
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...>
wrote:
> > > What about the Elegant Punt? some say it is a better tender
than
> a
> > > Nymph - easier to build, more load and more stable. Plans are
in
> > the
> > > 1st instant boat book.
I built a Tortise this summer, as a simple way to start down the
slipperly slope of boat building after a loooooong dreaming period.
While it doesn't row like the Gloucester Gull I once had, I found
that for just nosing around, it was a surprisingly fun boat to row.
It does not carry far on each stroke, but it is relatively easy to
keep straight. I'm 200+, and 6ft.4, and with a daughter on board we
had plenty of freeboard. My wife and I went out for a hundred yars,
and though the water looked awfully close, the boat was solid under
us. I moved the oarlocks more to the center to get a back-to rowing
position that was somewhat balanced, but either way works for shorter
distances. I took it out about 2-3 miles on a couple of days,
handled wakes without a problem, not affected by wind. Was tougher
against any current -- slow progress. The interesting thing was that
I could vary stroke frequency -- long pulls, and later short rapid
pulls, and this gave muscle groups a rest while keeping the boat
going for an extended trip; slow but staedy. 6 ft oars worked fine.
I left the stern transom off to make seating more flexible, and give
my legs a little more room. I plan to set up the sailing rig this
winter.
BTW- Thanks to all for the feedback about the next boat to build. I
plan to build Zephyr and maybe Junebug over the winter.
slipperly slope of boat building after a loooooong dreaming period.
While it doesn't row like the Gloucester Gull I once had, I found
that for just nosing around, it was a surprisingly fun boat to row.
It does not carry far on each stroke, but it is relatively easy to
keep straight. I'm 200+, and 6ft.4, and with a daughter on board we
had plenty of freeboard. My wife and I went out for a hundred yars,
and though the water looked awfully close, the boat was solid under
us. I moved the oarlocks more to the center to get a back-to rowing
position that was somewhat balanced, but either way works for shorter
distances. I took it out about 2-3 miles on a couple of days,
handled wakes without a problem, not affected by wind. Was tougher
against any current -- slow progress. The interesting thing was that
I could vary stroke frequency -- long pulls, and later short rapid
pulls, and this gave muscle groups a rest while keeping the boat
going for an extended trip; slow but staedy. 6 ft oars worked fine.
I left the stern transom off to make seating more flexible, and give
my legs a little more room. I plan to set up the sailing rig this
winter.
BTW- Thanks to all for the feedback about the next boat to build. I
plan to build Zephyr and maybe Junebug over the winter.
If the Tortoise rows like a Brick (similar shape), it could be a real
problem if you have to go any distance. Otherwise it's probably great. I
think for decent rowing the sides and the bottom both need to be curved,
but I could be wrong.
problem if you have to go any distance. Otherwise it's probably great. I
think for decent rowing the sides and the bottom both need to be curved,
but I could be wrong.
> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
>wrote:
>The Tortoise is not tippy, same overall
>dimensions as a Nymph. I can stand up
>in mine. Same two sheets of plywood.
>More capacity too. Pretty easy to carry
>if you rest the gunnel on your shoulder.
>Though, she appears ugly to some people.
>
>I hope to figure out a way to parbuckle
>her on my Micro Navigator. Across the
>stern seems good, except for interference
>with the mizzen boomkin.
>
>
>
>>> Nymph...tippy
>>
>>
I've used a Tortoise for several years as the harbor dinghy for my
Tanzer 7.5 sailboat. With the painter attached low on the bow, it
tows bow high beautifully although I haven't tried it in any serious
weather.
I added a bolt-on motor board for my 2 h.p. Johnson
outboard. That works well also. My wife and I have had some
pleasant afternoon motoring cruises on the nearby
Chain-of-Lakes in our Tortoise. I usually steer it with no hands --
just lean the way I want to go. I recently sold the motor and am
thinking about an electic trolling motor with the battery under the
fore & aft seat.
Rowing is not the greatest. Solo, the waterline length is not
much greater than the width. It doesn't carry very far between
strokes. One advantage is that I can spin it 180 degrees with one
push/pull stroke and then push row to see where I'm going. It
push rows about as well as pulling. With the mate aboard, she
has to sit well back on the after deck to balance my 155 lbs.
seated forward enough to clear her knees with the oars. (Thats
the reason for the motor.)
One caution when boarding a Tortoise. If you step near the front
corner, you will dip it under and ship a couple gallons of water
before you can scramble aft and center. I usually step on the
seat amid ships to avoid this. I am considering whether adding
a couple of triangular pieces of deck at the bow corners would
solve this.
Vince
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...>
wrote:
Tanzer 7.5 sailboat. With the painter attached low on the bow, it
tows bow high beautifully although I haven't tried it in any serious
weather.
I added a bolt-on motor board for my 2 h.p. Johnson
outboard. That works well also. My wife and I have had some
pleasant afternoon motoring cruises on the nearby
Chain-of-Lakes in our Tortoise. I usually steer it with no hands --
just lean the way I want to go. I recently sold the motor and am
thinking about an electic trolling motor with the battery under the
fore & aft seat.
Rowing is not the greatest. Solo, the waterline length is not
much greater than the width. It doesn't carry very far between
strokes. One advantage is that I can spin it 180 degrees with one
push/pull stroke and then push row to see where I'm going. It
push rows about as well as pulling. With the mate aboard, she
has to sit well back on the after deck to balance my 155 lbs.
seated forward enough to clear her knees with the oars. (Thats
the reason for the motor.)
One caution when boarding a Tortoise. If you step near the front
corner, you will dip it under and ship a couple gallons of water
before you can scramble aft and center. I usually step on the
seat amid ships to avoid this. I am considering whether adding
a couple of triangular pieces of deck at the bow corners would
solve this.
Vince
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...>
wrote:
> If the Tortoise rows like a Brick (similar shape), it could be areal
> problem if you have to go any distance. Otherwise it's probablygreat. I
> think for decent rowing the sides and the bottom both need tobe curved,
> but I could be wrong.
I'll third the suggestion. I towed an Elegant Punt behind our
Chebacco for five days this summer and it behaved perfectly. It
carried three of us: myself, my wife and our 15 year old son without
trouble -- two adults is an easy load. The flat bottom lends some
stability, but the reason we chose it originally was that it doesn't
require glass or resin -- my then 8 year old son and I built it, and
I didn't want him exposed to toxic stuff.
Any towed dinghy can be a nuisance if the weather is bad. I lost
this one once in a storm at night, but got lucky and got it back
after two days when it was seen and picked up by a ferry. We often
carry a small inflatable in one of the rear lockers -- another
feature of the Chebacco is lots of storage room!
Pat, we'll be towing our elegant punt to Sucia next summer, sail rig
and all. If you make a mast for yours and John brings his sail we
can hold some punt races! Loser buys the winner a beer?
Jamie Orr
Proud (father of the) owner of the 7 Year old Elegant Punt,
Creamsicle.
Chebacco for five days this summer and it behaved perfectly. It
carried three of us: myself, my wife and our 15 year old son without
trouble -- two adults is an easy load. The flat bottom lends some
stability, but the reason we chose it originally was that it doesn't
require glass or resin -- my then 8 year old son and I built it, and
I didn't want him exposed to toxic stuff.
Any towed dinghy can be a nuisance if the weather is bad. I lost
this one once in a storm at night, but got lucky and got it back
after two days when it was seen and picked up by a ferry. We often
carry a small inflatable in one of the rear lockers -- another
feature of the Chebacco is lots of storage room!
Pat, we'll be towing our elegant punt to Sucia next summer, sail rig
and all. If you make a mast for yours and John brings his sail we
can hold some punt races! Loser buys the winner a beer?
Jamie Orr
Proud (father of the) owner of the 7 Year old Elegant Punt,
Creamsicle.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "antec007" <pateson@c...> wrote:
> I'd second that suggestion for an "Elegant Punt".
> My "Elegant Punt" is even named "Toad" because it has spent so much
> of its life being "Towed".
> It will carry 2 adults or a quarter ton of gear and is light enough
> to carry or lift on deck, if necessary.
> It tows well and is dry. I'd make sure it has a skeg though.
> The for and aft seat is great for allowing one or two people to use
> the boat and row, but Is in the way for safe boarding.
> With the flat bottom I think it has more initial stbility than
either
> the Nymph or Nutshell and is easier to build.
> It rows pretty well for a 7-1/2' box and Will even sail. (but I
> wouldn't bother with the sail rig. The rig costs more than the
boat
> and you will already have a Nice sailboat.)
> My only suggestion would be to maybe widen it 3 or 4 inches to give
a
> little More stability when stepping in. (Any Dink will be somewhat
> tippy) I believe the designed width had more to do with getting all
> the parts to fit on 2 sheets of plywood than anything else. Being
a
> square ended, flat bottomed boat it would be very easy to widen it
a
> little.
>
> Best of all with Bolger's fine eye for a curve,
> it is just So Darn "Cute".
>
> Pat Patteson
> Proud owner of the 20 Year old Luanne "Elegant Punt", "Toad".
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
> > What about the Elegant Punt? some say it is a better tender than
a
> > Nymph - easier to build, more load and more stable. Plans are in
> the
> > 1st instant boat book.
I'd second that suggestion for an "Elegant Punt".
My "Elegant Punt" is even named "Toad" because it has spent so much
of its life being "Towed".
It will carry 2 adults or a quarter ton of gear and is light enough
to carry or lift on deck, if necessary.
It tows well and is dry. I'd make sure it has a skeg though.
The for and aft seat is great for allowing one or two people to use
the boat and row, but Is in the way for safe boarding.
With the flat bottom I think it has more initial stbility than either
the Nymph or Nutshell and is easier to build.
It rows pretty well for a 7-1/2' box and Will even sail. (but I
wouldn't bother with the sail rig. The rig costs more than the boat
and you will already have a Nice sailboat.)
My only suggestion would be to maybe widen it 3 or 4 inches to give a
little More stability when stepping in. (Any Dink will be somewhat
tippy) I believe the designed width had more to do with getting all
the parts to fit on 2 sheets of plywood than anything else. Being a
square ended, flat bottomed boat it would be very easy to widen it a
little.
Best of all with Bolger's fine eye for a curve,
it is just So Darn "Cute".
Pat Patteson
Proud owner of the 20 Year old Luanne "Elegant Punt", "Toad".
My "Elegant Punt" is even named "Toad" because it has spent so much
of its life being "Towed".
It will carry 2 adults or a quarter ton of gear and is light enough
to carry or lift on deck, if necessary.
It tows well and is dry. I'd make sure it has a skeg though.
The for and aft seat is great for allowing one or two people to use
the boat and row, but Is in the way for safe boarding.
With the flat bottom I think it has more initial stbility than either
the Nymph or Nutshell and is easier to build.
It rows pretty well for a 7-1/2' box and Will even sail. (but I
wouldn't bother with the sail rig. The rig costs more than the boat
and you will already have a Nice sailboat.)
My only suggestion would be to maybe widen it 3 or 4 inches to give a
little More stability when stepping in. (Any Dink will be somewhat
tippy) I believe the designed width had more to do with getting all
the parts to fit on 2 sheets of plywood than anything else. Being a
square ended, flat bottomed boat it would be very easy to widen it a
little.
Best of all with Bolger's fine eye for a curve,
it is just So Darn "Cute".
Pat Patteson
Proud owner of the 20 Year old Luanne "Elegant Punt", "Toad".
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
> What about the Elegant Punt? some say it is a better tender than a
> Nymph - easier to build, more load and more stable. Plans are in
the
> 1st instant boat book.
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Somewhere around here I have a hul file for a dinghy that rows and tows
well, is not tippy, but is way ugly because it was inspired by Bolger's
squareboats.
well, is not tippy, but is way ugly because it was inspired by Bolger's
squareboats.
While I agree that Nymph is tippy, I seem to recall having about 500 lbs
(3 people) in it with no big problems. I wouldn't want to go into a big
chop with it but in a harbor I think it would be just fine. Still had
some reasonable freeboard, as I recall.
(3 people) in it with no big problems. I wouldn't want to go into a big
chop with it but in a harbor I think it would be just fine. Still had
some reasonable freeboard, as I recall.
What about the Elegant Punt? some say it is a better tender than a
Nymph - easier to build, more load and more stable. Plans are in the
1st instant boat book.
Nymph - easier to build, more load and more stable. Plans are in the
1st instant boat book.
The Tortoise is not tippy, same overall
dimensions as a Nymph. I can stand up
in mine. Same two sheets of plywood.
More capacity too. Pretty easy to carry
if you rest the gunnel on your shoulder.
Though, she appears ugly to some people.
I hope to figure out a way to parbuckle
her on my Micro Navigator. Across the
stern seems good, except for interference
with the mizzen boomkin.
dimensions as a Nymph. I can stand up
in mine. Same two sheets of plywood.
More capacity too. Pretty easy to carry
if you rest the gunnel on your shoulder.
Though, she appears ugly to some people.
I hope to figure out a way to parbuckle
her on my Micro Navigator. Across the
stern seems good, except for interference
with the mizzen boomkin.
> Nymph...tippy