[bolger] Re: New I60 image
> Better, but still not that good. Still, you may find it moresatisfying:
Exciting times. It's much better-looking than the original.
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I still remember the first time I saw it, standing in your living
room thumbing through a copy of MAIB!
-D
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Another thing I notice, the I60 doesn't
seem to really have all that much
'lateral plane', but what do I know?
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Again looking to my (now) little scooner, she's got 260 (including
mainstaysail) square feet of sail and a daggerboard that's about
36"x18".
The I60 has about 1100 square feet (including both staysails) and has
a "daggerboard" that's about 6'x3', plus this one has a plate of
sorts.
My scooner seems to work well enough. The I60 might work too.
YIBB,
David
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seem to really have all that much
'lateral plane', but what do I know?
--------
Again looking to my (now) little scooner, she's got 260 (including
mainstaysail) square feet of sail and a daggerboard that's about
36"x18".
The I60 has about 1100 square feet (including both staysails) and has
a "daggerboard" that's about 6'x3', plus this one has a plate of
sorts.
My scooner seems to work well enough. The I60 might work too.
YIBB,
David
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--- David Ryan wrote:
I recall that PB&F explained that they give
you 'developed' shapes to cut and build
them from plywood. I think PB&F rationalize
that this type of gaff has good aerodynamics
and good weight to strength ratio.
Another thing I notice, the I60 doesn't
seem to really have all that much
'lateral plane', but what do I know?
> Looks like plywood diamond shaped boxesMore than one of the newer designs have it,
> for the gaff yards.
>
> ----------------
> Although I understand the shape,
> I don't know how they're supposed to
> be built. Nothing in BWAOM looks similar
I recall that PB&F explained that they give
you 'developed' shapes to cut and build
them from plywood. I think PB&F rationalize
that this type of gaff has good aerodynamics
and good weight to strength ratio.
Another thing I notice, the I60 doesn't
seem to really have all that much
'lateral plane', but what do I know?
Looks like untapered masts, schedule 40
aluminum tubes?
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I figured they'd be more or less the same as the masts on the BDS or
AS29. The diameters are the same, the sail areas are similar.
Looks like plywood diamond shaped boxes
for the gaff yards.
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Although I understand the shape, I don't know how they're supposed to
be built. Nothing in BWAOM looks similar
Hard to see, but the main center hull appears
to be 28' long, the after hull 15' and the
forward hull 17'.
----------------
Since plywood comes in 8' sheets, 17' seems unlikely.
How does the swing of the forward tabernacle
clear the forward bulkheads of the forward
hinge joint?
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I don't think the bulkhead is where you think it is.
The mainsail and foresail booms seem huge!
...plywood boxes too?
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Looks like you could get them out of 2x10s from Home Depot, maybe two
laminated together? I don't know, with Bolger you never know where to
think horses or zebras.
The rudder seems shallow, it must have a bottom
plate, won't it pitch out of the water?
[Of course not, in Phil we trust.]
My Light Scooner is so well balanced I can sail her without a rudder,
even to weather. (don't ask how I found out.) The rudder on this
drawing doesn't look smaller than other modern Bolger rudders; some
with plates some without.
As as far as pitching out, The LMII has shallow rudder located well
aft, and also has much more rocker. Bob has always seemed please with
her heavy weather behavior. I don't intent to be out in seas that
would make a 60 foot, barely rockered hull pitch.
YIBB,
David
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Office (212) 247-0296
aluminum tubes?
---------------
I figured they'd be more or less the same as the masts on the BDS or
AS29. The diameters are the same, the sail areas are similar.
Looks like plywood diamond shaped boxes
for the gaff yards.
----------------
Although I understand the shape, I don't know how they're supposed to
be built. Nothing in BWAOM looks similar
Hard to see, but the main center hull appears
to be 28' long, the after hull 15' and the
forward hull 17'.
----------------
Since plywood comes in 8' sheets, 17' seems unlikely.
How does the swing of the forward tabernacle
clear the forward bulkheads of the forward
hinge joint?
-----------------
I don't think the bulkhead is where you think it is.
The mainsail and foresail booms seem huge!
...plywood boxes too?
------------------
Looks like you could get them out of 2x10s from Home Depot, maybe two
laminated together? I don't know, with Bolger you never know where to
think horses or zebras.
The rudder seems shallow, it must have a bottom
plate, won't it pitch out of the water?
[Of course not, in Phil we trust.]
My Light Scooner is so well balanced I can sail her without a rudder,
even to weather. (don't ask how I found out.) The rudder on this
drawing doesn't look smaller than other modern Bolger rudders; some
with plates some without.
As as far as pitching out, The LMII has shallow rudder located well
aft, and also has much more rocker. Bob has always seemed please with
her heavy weather behavior. I don't intent to be out in seas that
would make a 60 foot, barely rockered hull pitch.
YIBB,
David
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Same place as the original, Bolger3, Insolent60
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
> > OK. I have to show off, so I've uploaded a "cleaned up" version.
>
> This doesn't do us much good if you don't tell us where. ;-)
Thanks Susan and David,
Some comments/questions:
Looks like untapered masts, schedule 40
aluminum tubes?
Looks like plywood diamond shaped boxes
for the gaff yards.
Hard to see, but the main center hull appears
to be 28' long, the after hull 15' and the
forward hull 17'.
How does the swing of the forward tabernacle
clear the forward bulkheads of the forward
hinge joint?
The mainsail and foresail booms seem huge!
...plywood boxes too?
Which of the 103 rigs comes closest? Bald-headed
Gaff Rig 83?
The rudder seems shallow, it must have a bottom
plate, won't it pitch out of the water?
[Of course not, in Phil we trust.]
Some comments/questions:
Looks like untapered masts, schedule 40
aluminum tubes?
Looks like plywood diamond shaped boxes
for the gaff yards.
Hard to see, but the main center hull appears
to be 28' long, the after hull 15' and the
forward hull 17'.
How does the swing of the forward tabernacle
clear the forward bulkheads of the forward
hinge joint?
The mainsail and foresail booms seem huge!
...plywood boxes too?
Which of the 103 rigs comes closest? Bald-headed
Gaff Rig 83?
The rudder seems shallow, it must have a bottom
plate, won't it pitch out of the water?
[Of course not, in Phil we trust.]
OK. I have to show off, so I've uploaded a "cleaned up" version.
------
This doesn't do us much good if you don't tell us where. ;-)
YIBB,
David
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
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This doesn't do us much good if you don't tell us where. ;-)
YIBB,
David
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OK. I have to show off, so I've uploaded a "cleaned up" version.
Roger
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Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
>
> Better, but still not that good. Still, you may find it more satisfying:
>
>http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent/I60.jpg
> Better, but still not that good. Still, you may find it moresatisfying:
Exciting times. It's much better-looking than the original.
Peter
FBBB,
Better, but still not that good. Still, you may find it more satisfying:
http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent/I60.jpg
YIBB,
David
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Better, but still not that good. Still, you may find it more satisfying:
http://www.crumblingempire.com/insolent/I60.jpg
YIBB,
David
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C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296