Re: Comments on keels from BWAOM
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
challenges. Just like being in a Chebacco - or even a Windermere:-)
On second thought.....you're right!
Cheers, Nels
>> Now,tell us why you want to mess with the LM and complicate yourcollect
> sensible life by putting a"hole" in your boat which will only
> all sorts of marine wild-life,clog up with odd bits of beachWow I never considered all those neat sea going noises and
> gravel,gurgle and burp all night long while you're trying to sleep
> and basically rob you of some valuable interior room/arrangements?
>
challenges. Just like being in a Chebacco - or even a Windermere:-)
On second thought.....you're right!
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- Peter Lenihan wrote:Sometimes it's fun to think outside the box for a change;-)
> >why...mess with the LM
>
> ...in Phil we trust. :)
--- Peter Lenihan wrote:
>why...mess with the LM...in Phil we trust. :)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
Like the Man says,they "hold one to windward quite well".Unless you
are planning trans-oceanic adventures, that's good enough for me.If
you ARE planning some BIG stuff,then success with little boats is
greatly assisted by working with nature and taking full advantage of
currents and moving when conditions are most favourable not to
mention accepting the fact that a small/short displacement boat will
have a low hull speed in the first place.
test-tank technician at MIT will be visibly moved by them, is another
matter.Little boats are so greatly affected by so many dynamic forces
that the net difference would be tough to nail down in any real world
experience.
sentence in paragraphs is not remarkable.That they appear to sail
well with only the shallow full length keel is a bonus for the
Chebacco and perfectly expected on the LM.
TARANTULA - A box boat described on page 156 is an interesting
racing machines win races as much through tactics and "luck" as they
do by fractions of a knot speed differences,theroretical or
otherwise:-)
Now,tell us why you want to mess with the LM and complicate your
sensible life by putting a"hole" in your boat which will only collect
all sorts of marine wild-life,clog up with odd bits of beach
gravel,gurgle and burp all night long while you're trying to sleep
and basically rob you of some valuable interior room/arrangements?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just looking fer some fun while the cats away :-D
> Referring to SUPERMOUSEwater,
> "Keels like this hold on to windward quite well unless the wind has
> blown hard enough and long enough over a big enough stretch of
> to start the surface water driftingLets have some fun with this Nels;
Like the Man says,they "hold one to windward quite well".Unless you
are planning trans-oceanic adventures, that's good enough for me.If
you ARE planning some BIG stuff,then success with little boats is
greatly assisted by working with nature and taking full advantage of
currents and moving when conditions are most favourable not to
mention accepting the fact that a small/short displacement boat will
have a low hull speed in the first place.
> Referring to BOBCATI HAVE AN IDEA THE PRINCIPLE
> COULD DO WONDERS FOR SHALLOW KEELS AND BILGE KEELS, THOUGH MAKINGTHE
> HORIZONTAL PART STRONG ENOUGH IS A PROBLEM THERE." Page 104 LastIndeed,it just may"do wonders" however, whether anyone other then a
> para.)
test-tank technician at MIT will be visibly moved by them, is another
matter.Little boats are so greatly affected by so many dynamic forces
that the net difference would be tough to nail down in any real world
experience.
>We found that this
> Referring to CHEBACCO
> shallow keel alowed the boats to sail to windward and manouveruseful
> reliably in 12 inches of water, opening up sand flats usually
> only for rowing boats and jet-skis. (They sail and manouver muchSince they were originally designed for just a centerboard,the
> better with the centerboard down in deeper water.) Page 224
sentence in paragraphs is not remarkable.That they appear to sail
well with only the shallow full length keel is a bonus for the
Chebacco and perfectly expected on the LM.
TARANTULA - A box boat described on page 156 is an interesting
> marriage of box and fin keel.on
>
> I saw in another artcile where he made reference to the Australian
> wing keel that was declared illegal. Mentioned about sneaking one
> your boat and surprising a few people.Declared illegal relative to the design rules.Multi-million dollar
racing machines win races as much through tactics and "luck" as they
do by fractions of a knot speed differences,theroretical or
otherwise:-)
Now,tell us why you want to mess with the LM and complicate your
sensible life by putting a"hole" in your boat which will only collect
all sorts of marine wild-life,clog up with odd bits of beach
gravel,gurgle and burp all night long while you're trying to sleep
and basically rob you of some valuable interior room/arrangements?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,just looking fer some fun while the cats away :-D
>
> Nels
Referring to SUPERMOUSE
"Keels like this hold on to windward quite well unless the wind has
blown hard enough and long enough over a big enough stretch of water,
to start the surface water drifting. In other words they work on
lakes and bays, and in gentle weather." Page 36 (Last line)
Referring to BOBCAT
'...since I learned to put end plates across the bottom of rudders I
haven't had any complaints about this (shallow rudders ed.) I started
using end plates about 15 years ago, and I've reached the point where
a rudder without one looks naked to me. It's astonishing how shallow
a rudder can be and still steer the boat, if the water is kept from
rushing off the bottom of the blade. I HAVE AN IDEA THE PRINCIPLE
COULD DO WONDERS FOR SHALLOW KEELS AND BILGE KEELS, THOUGH MAKING THE
HORIZONTAL PART STRONG ENOUGH IS A PROBLEM THERE." Page 104 Last
para.)
Referring to CHEBACCO
"The inboard rudder needed a skeg to protect it on the trailer, and
by extending the skeg forward some of the centerboard could be buried
under the hull, reducing the intrusion inside. We found that this
shallow keel alowed the boats to sail to windward and manouver
reliably in 12 inches of water, opening up sand flats usually useful
only for rowing boats and jet-skis. (They sail and manouver much
better with the centerboard down in deeper water.) Page 224 (Last
para)
TARANTULA - A box boat described on page 156 is an interesting
marriage of box and fin keel.
I saw in another artcile where he made reference to the Australian
wing keel that was declared illegal. Mentioned about sneaking one on
your boat and surprising a few people.
Nels
"Keels like this hold on to windward quite well unless the wind has
blown hard enough and long enough over a big enough stretch of water,
to start the surface water drifting. In other words they work on
lakes and bays, and in gentle weather." Page 36 (Last line)
Referring to BOBCAT
'...since I learned to put end plates across the bottom of rudders I
haven't had any complaints about this (shallow rudders ed.) I started
using end plates about 15 years ago, and I've reached the point where
a rudder without one looks naked to me. It's astonishing how shallow
a rudder can be and still steer the boat, if the water is kept from
rushing off the bottom of the blade. I HAVE AN IDEA THE PRINCIPLE
COULD DO WONDERS FOR SHALLOW KEELS AND BILGE KEELS, THOUGH MAKING THE
HORIZONTAL PART STRONG ENOUGH IS A PROBLEM THERE." Page 104 Last
para.)
Referring to CHEBACCO
"The inboard rudder needed a skeg to protect it on the trailer, and
by extending the skeg forward some of the centerboard could be buried
under the hull, reducing the intrusion inside. We found that this
shallow keel alowed the boats to sail to windward and manouver
reliably in 12 inches of water, opening up sand flats usually useful
only for rowing boats and jet-skis. (They sail and manouver much
better with the centerboard down in deeper water.) Page 224 (Last
para)
TARANTULA - A box boat described on page 156 is an interesting
marriage of box and fin keel.
I saw in another artcile where he made reference to the Australian
wing keel that was declared illegal. Mentioned about sneaking one on
your boat and surprising a few people.
Nels