Re: New fellow
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
> Here are a couple of websites with information:mais oui, en Francais!
>
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as39ba.htm#start
>
>http://www.paradiseconnections.com/about-info.html
>
> You might be able to email Bob Wise if he is still in St. Thomas
>
> Here is the link to the one being built in Quebec -
http://cf.geocities.com/lecabotin/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, tommol@n... wrote:
----
bAS39 (or is it AS38?). First time I have ever attempted a group
> discussion. What is the drill? I want to talk to someone who is bi
want to talk with a builder who may have solved some of
> my problems already.
> For example,
.
>
> Is there anyone who wants to talk about this sort of thing?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Moloney
> tommol@n...
> 3 December 2003
Here are a couple of websites with information:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as39ba.htm#start
http://www.paradiseconnections.com/about-info.html
You might be able to email Bob Wise if he is still in St. Thomas
Good luck, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
somebody had bought one and were re-selling it. One of the reasons
given was that every time he wanted to enjoy a coffee on deck - or
get a re-fill he had to climb down and back up the ladder. Things
like that. He was however quick to point out it's many advantages as
well. Just wasn't his cup of tea (or coffee) as he hadn't considered
these things before he bought it.
What you say about expectations is a very good point, as that
information gave me pause for thought about living aboard full time!
Cheers, Nels
> > At least one other LMII was built, with some deviation from thecase,
> > specs. How happy the owner was with the outcome I can't say.
>
> It seems to me that there was a fellow who had a LMII built by a
> professional. Once it was built, he hated it, finding the interior
> too much of a dark tunnel.
>
> A story like this is food for thought. I would always hesitate to
> take it literally, at least without some confirmation, because
> someone who is greatly dissatisfied is likely to overstate his
> and without investigation it's impossible to know if hisexpectations
> were reasonable in the first place. In fact, it's hard to know ifour
> own expectations are reasonable.I seem to recall something along that line too. Seems to me that
>
> Peter
somebody had bought one and were re-selling it. One of the reasons
given was that every time he wanted to enjoy a coffee on deck - or
get a re-fill he had to climb down and back up the ladder. Things
like that. He was however quick to point out it's many advantages as
well. Just wasn't his cup of tea (or coffee) as he hadn't considered
these things before he bought it.
What you say about expectations is a very good point, as that
information gave me pause for thought about living aboard full time!
Cheers, Nels
Tom,
You may or not know of the
Bolger 'upgrade' to the AS39
design from about one year back.
As I recall,
1) They revised the ballast,
to be external steel plate.
2) They revised the shape of
the bow, including 'rounding'
the lines, and widening the
size of the tabernacle well
with greatly improved the
anchor handling through a clever
'A-frame' winch thingy.
3) They added a contoured
bulb to the bottom at the bow
to improve 'armor' against
collisions while at the same
time improving the splashing
noise problem while anchored.
4) Other changes I don't remember.
You could learn more by asking them.
You may or not know of the
Bolger 'upgrade' to the AS39
design from about one year back.
As I recall,
1) They revised the ballast,
to be external steel plate.
2) They revised the shape of
the bow, including 'rounding'
the lines, and widening the
size of the tabernacle well
with greatly improved the
anchor handling through a clever
'A-frame' winch thingy.
3) They added a contoured
bulb to the bottom at the bow
to improve 'armor' against
collisions while at the same
time improving the splashing
noise problem while anchored.
4) Other changes I don't remember.
You could learn more by asking them.
Tom,
Did I misunderstand? Do you already have a Loose Moose II under
construction? Are you really out in the Australian desert, building
an ark, and waiting for the flood?!?
If so, please post pictures!
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
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http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Did I misunderstand? Do you already have a Loose Moose II under
construction? Are you really out in the Australian desert, building
an ark, and waiting for the flood?!?
If so, please post pictures!
YIBB,
David
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
> - will there be distortion of the sides of the boat withHi,
> what appears to be so little support?
You might want to search the archives of this group to find the
thread about the AS-29 Alisa, keeping in mind that it is one
particular boat, and that other builders have not had the same
problems.
There were maintenance problems on Alisa that seem to have originated
with poor constuction at the chines and the centerboard cases,
complicated by a lack of effective epoxy encapsulation. For all I
know, the material was of a rot-prone type. If I remember the report
correctly, a distortion formed in the bottom during constuction so
that the bottom section mid-ships was concave (i.e. higher in the
middle) rather than perfectly flat as it should be. To me, this
suggests too much stress in the ply bottom planking.
As for the galvanized bolts, Bolger is not casual about his
recommendations for materials, and in most cases I would trust his
specs. It is possible, however, that the cost/longevity tradeoff that
he has in mind for a particular design (appropriate to the original
client) is not the one that you would prefer. If you have any doubts,
fax him; he would be happy to respond to that sort of inquiry.
Peter
--- Tom Moloney wrote:
positive attitude, 7 plus years into building
such a monumental boat.
Questions
Don't be distracted, work on your Zen,
push ahead without hesitation!
> BOLGER AS39 ...got the plans and have beenWow. I am impressed that you still have a
> putting together little bits of it ever since.
positive attitude, 7 plus years into building
such a monumental boat.
Questions
> - 12mm ply or 15mm?Those are all trivial questions <smile>!
> - will there be distortion of the sides
> - are galvanised bolts safe
> - hundreds of other predictable questions
Don't be distracted, work on your Zen,
push ahead without hesitation!
> At least one other LMII was built, with some deviation from theIt seems to me that there was a fellow who had a LMII built by a
> specs. How happy the owner was with the outcome I can't say.
professional. Once it was built, he hated it, finding the interior
too much of a dark tunnel.
A story like this is food for thought. I would always hesitate to
take it literally, at least without some confirmation, because
someone who is greatly dissatisfied is likely to overstate his case,
and without investigation it's impossible to know if his expectations
were reasonable in the first place. In fact, it's hard to know if our
own expectations are reasonable.
Peter
Tom,
Welcome to the list!
As far as I know, there has only been one Loose Moose II (aka AS38)
built following the original plan. This was build by Bob and Sheila
Wise, who commissioned the design. I've talked with Bob quite a bit
about his experience in commissioning, building and cruising the
LMII. He'd be the first to tell you it's not a perfect boat, but
overall he seems very happy with it. Bob and Sheila cruise the Loose
Moose II throughout the French Canal System, the Med, the coast of
West Africa, and ultimately cross the Atlantic in it. They found it
to be a seaworthy, fast, capacious boat. I'm sure if you write him a
polite e-mail he'd have a few thoughts for you.
At least one other LMII was built, with some deviation from the
specs. How happy the owner was with the outcome I can't say.
There is currently under construction in Quebec a LMII with PCB
modifications. Some of these are revisions based on the first boat
performance, some are modifications to make the Quebec LMII more
suitable for cold weather, and some are evolutions in Bolger's
thinking. As far as I know this boat has yet to be launched.
Yours In Boat Building,
David
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BOLGER AS39 (or is it AS38?). First time I have ever attempted a group
discussion. What is the drill? I want to talk to someone who is building the
38 (or 39) and preferably someone in Australia. I am TOM MOLONEY and I live
in Bendigo which is 100 miles from the sea in the south of Australia. I saw
the 38 in Boats with an Open Mind in 1996, got the plans and have been
putting together little bits of it ever since. Now I want to get stuck into
major building but i want to talk with a builder who may have solved some of
my problems already.
For example,
- 12mm ply or 15mm?
- will there be distortion of the sides of the boat with what appears to be
so little support?
- are galvanised bolts safe in the lower part of the bottom? are they
sufficiently protected by the suggested several layers of fibreglass? what
is the experience of owners who have had the boat in the water for some
years?
- hundreds of other predictable questions
That sort of question.
Is there anyone who wants to talk about this sort of thing?
Regards,
Tom Moloney
tommol@...
3 December 2003
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
Welcome to the list!
As far as I know, there has only been one Loose Moose II (aka AS38)
built following the original plan. This was build by Bob and Sheila
Wise, who commissioned the design. I've talked with Bob quite a bit
about his experience in commissioning, building and cruising the
LMII. He'd be the first to tell you it's not a perfect boat, but
overall he seems very happy with it. Bob and Sheila cruise the Loose
Moose II throughout the French Canal System, the Med, the coast of
West Africa, and ultimately cross the Atlantic in it. They found it
to be a seaworthy, fast, capacious boat. I'm sure if you write him a
polite e-mail he'd have a few thoughts for you.
At least one other LMII was built, with some deviation from the
specs. How happy the owner was with the outcome I can't say.
There is currently under construction in Quebec a LMII with PCB
modifications. Some of these are revisions based on the first boat
performance, some are modifications to make the Quebec LMII more
suitable for cold weather, and some are evolutions in Bolger's
thinking. As far as I know this boat has yet to be launched.
Yours In Boat Building,
David
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BOLGER AS39 (or is it AS38?). First time I have ever attempted a group
discussion. What is the drill? I want to talk to someone who is building the
38 (or 39) and preferably someone in Australia. I am TOM MOLONEY and I live
in Bendigo which is 100 miles from the sea in the south of Australia. I saw
the 38 in Boats with an Open Mind in 1996, got the plans and have been
putting together little bits of it ever since. Now I want to get stuck into
major building but i want to talk with a builder who may have solved some of
my problems already.
For example,
- 12mm ply or 15mm?
- will there be distortion of the sides of the boat with what appears to be
so little support?
- are galvanised bolts safe in the lower part of the bottom? are they
sufficiently protected by the suggested several layers of fibreglass? what
is the experience of owners who have had the boat in the water for some
years?
- hundreds of other predictable questions
That sort of question.
Is there anyone who wants to talk about this sort of thing?
Regards,
Tom Moloney
tommol@...
3 December 2003
--
C.E.P.
415 W.46th Street
New York, New York 10036
http://www.crumblingempire.com
Mobile (646) 325-8325
Office (212) 247-0296
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BOLGER AS39 (or is it AS38?). First time I have ever attempted a group
discussion. What is the drill? I want to talk to someone who is building the
38 (or 39) and preferably someone in Australia. I am TOM MOLONEY and I live
in Bendigo which is 100 miles from the sea in the south of Australia. I saw
the 38 in Boats with an Open Mind in 1996, got the plans and have been
putting together little bits of it ever since. Now I want to get stuck into
major building but i want to talk with a builder who may have solved some of
my problems already.
For example,
- 12mm ply or 15mm?
- will there be distortion of the sides of the boat with what appears to be
so little support?
- are galvanised bolts safe in the lower part of the bottom? are they
sufficiently protected by the suggested several layers of fibreglass? what
is the experience of owners who have had the boat in the water for some
years?
- hundreds of other predictable questions
That sort of question.
Is there anyone who wants to talk about this sort of thing?
Regards,
Tom Moloney
tommol@...
3 December 2003
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BOLGER AS39 (or is it AS38?). First time I have ever attempted a group
discussion. What is the drill? I want to talk to someone who is building the
38 (or 39) and preferably someone in Australia. I am TOM MOLONEY and I live
in Bendigo which is 100 miles from the sea in the south of Australia. I saw
the 38 in Boats with an Open Mind in 1996, got the plans and have been
putting together little bits of it ever since. Now I want to get stuck into
major building but i want to talk with a builder who may have solved some of
my problems already.
For example,
- 12mm ply or 15mm?
- will there be distortion of the sides of the boat with what appears to be
so little support?
- are galvanised bolts safe in the lower part of the bottom? are they
sufficiently protected by the suggested several layers of fibreglass? what
is the experience of owners who have had the boat in the water for some
years?
- hundreds of other predictable questions
That sort of question.
Is there anyone who wants to talk about this sort of thing?
Regards,
Tom Moloney
tommol@...
3 December 2003