Re: MAIB - PDF edition

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pep cruells" <pepcruells@y...> wrote:
> Gavin, here in Spain the problem has always been the official
postal
> service: letters get lost, parcels disappear, etc. and this has
idled
> the sales by catalog commerce until now, when private postal
> companies have started doing a good job.

We're so lucky to have a reliable mail service - I hadn't realised.


> I suggested Chuck Leinweber to deal with PCB&F about selling their
> plans but it looks like they refused (Common Sense Syndrome?)

They probably don't realise their mistake.

> How's your trailer sailer?

It's been on and off the drawing board for two years now, and I'm
still not happy with it. It's not bad - just not quite /right/. I bet
PCB would have drawn the thing in a couple of lazy afternoons :-)

Gav
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Atkin" <gavinatkin@y...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> > a Western Union money order in US$ for most overseas orders(eg
> Woodenboat, Harold Payson ,Bolger etc.)
>
> What is a Western Union money order? I've never heard of one in the
> UK, and don't know where to get one. If we can persuade Bob to
agree
> on a cheaper delivery method - and I still tend to prefer mailing
> once a month or once every two months to cut costs rather than
pdfs -
> finding out about money orders will presumably be my next task.
>
> Maybe my bank has done them all along, but I've never seen anything
> to say so. I must say that I'll be pleased if this turns out to be
> the way to pay for small ticket items I want to buy in the US.
>
> Gavin

Hi Gavin and all,

Living on the european continent, I've used Western Union a couple of
times, to order plans, ect. from the States.
I must say, this system works very well, it's reliable and fast!
The costs are very reasonable, given the service.
But a few weeks ago, I received a letter from a US court. I was asked
to send in my transactions, if I wanted to be listed as one of the
victims of Western Union. There has been a charge against them. It
seems they have been making money by applying exchange rates that
were a bit too favorable in their direction.
I didn't reply, because I've only transfered a few small amounts of
money. But I want to report it to this group anyway.
Where I live, we have exchange offices for the many nationalities
around. Some of them offer the Western Union service.

kind regards,
Bert.
Gavin, here in Spain the problem has always been the official postal
service: letters get lost, parcels disappear, etc. and this has idled
the sales by catalog commerce until now, when private postal
companies have started doing a good job. Bob Hicks or Ramona (she
hasn´t answered my email) should contact some MRW like company and
ask for a solution, even not being as big as National Geographic. Or
online publishing.

I suggested Chuck Leinweber to deal with PCB&F about selling their
plans but it looks like they refused (Common Sense Syndrome?) Ah, a
Bolger Catalog! A publisher could make big money (I think).

And I pay English manufactured epoxy (SP Systems) €15'46 the 106 1 kg
kit and €40'51 the 3 kg kit plus 16% tax.

How's your trailer sailer?

Here in Barcelona every immigrant knows how to send money by Western
Union, their publicity is everywhere even in the tube stations.

...
pep

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gavin Atkin" <gavinatkin@y...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sals_dad [mailto:sals_dad@b...]
> >
> > There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out
> $28,
> > or $38, or whatever.
>
> Except, of course, for the small matter of having to support our
> local publications :-)
>
> But I'm an addict. I'd be happier in my skin if I could also read
> MAIB regularly at a reasonable price. (It's not the subscription,
> it's the cost of twice a month mailings that hurts my head...)
>
> Gav
> Who lives in a place where most of you would not believe the price
of
> epoxy.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dan@b... wrote:
> Most of the time I've seen them available from corner shops, small
supermarkets and
> some post offices. They're a preferred way for a lot of people to
send money to
> relatives in places like Jamaica or Pakistan, so you might have to
look in areas where
> lots of people might want to do that.

Living in Tunbridge Wells as I do, I'm unlikely to find a corner shop
like that - but as I wrote earlier, I've discovered that travel
agents do Western Union Money Orders.

So for me now, the question is what Bob Hicks is likely to decide to
do re a pdf edition or less frequent mailings. I've emailed his
office as someone suggested but wouldn't want to push very hard - it
seems to me that if MAIB is a labour of love rather than profit he's
more than entitled to run it the way he wants.

Gavin
> Western Union Money Orders are available at most post offices in Australia, as they're an American company they should be available in the UK and worldwide from post offices. Here in Australia its far cheaper for me to get a Western Union Money order than a Bank Cheque when I'm paying for
overseas goods.

Yes they are definitely available in the UK.

> What is a Western Union money order? I've never heard of one in the
> UK, and don't know where to get one.
>
> Maybe my bank has done them all along, but I've never seen anything
> to say so. I must say that I'll be pleased if this turns out to be
> the way to pay for small ticket items I want to buy in the US.

Most of the time I've seen them available from corner shops, small supermarkets and
some post offices. They're a preferred way for a lot of people to send money to
relatives in places like Jamaica or Pakistan, so you might have to look in areas where
lots of people might want to do that. The shops normally have large yellow signs
outside with Western Union written on them. I've never used them so I've no idea what
they charge.

Regards,

Dan Burrill

--
Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle and quick to anger...
Western Union Money Orders are available at most post offices in Australia, as they're an American company they should be available in the UK and worldwide from post offices. Here in Australia its far cheaper for me to get a Western Union Money order than a Bank Cheque when I'm paying for overseas goods.

Gavin Atkin <gavinatkin@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> a Western Union money order in US$ for most overseas orders(eg
Woodenboat, Harold Payson ,Bolger etc.)

What is a Western Union money order? I've never heard of one in the
UK, and don't know where to get one. If we can persuade Bob to agree
on a cheaper delivery method - and I still tend to prefer mailing
once a month or once every two months to cut costs rather than pdfs -
finding out about money orders will presumably be my next task.

Maybe my bank has done them all along, but I've never seen anything
to say so. I must say that I'll be pleased if this turns out to be
the way to pay for small ticket items I want to buy in the US.

Gavin


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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> Your post office may know more.

They may - but the Western Union website reveals a rather unexpected
result. In order to send a money order, I should go to a travel
agent...

Well! I try to learn something every day, and today I have. Now,
let's see where we get to with the MAIB overseas subscription
debate...

Gavin
Thirty or forty years ago they were in common use here in the US, but I
hadn't heard of one in years. Oh, well, Google has. Visit
http://www.westernunion.com/info/selectCountry.asp

I have used postal money orders recently, but only for in-country payments.
Your post office may know more.

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavin Atkin" <gavinatkin@...>


> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> > a Western Union money order in US$ for most overseas orders(eg
> Woodenboat, Harold Payson ,Bolger etc.)
>
> What is a Western Union money order? I've never heard of one in the
> UK, and don't know where to get one. If we can persuade Bob to agree
> on a cheaper delivery method - and I still tend to prefer mailing
> once a month or once every two months to cut costs rather than pdfs -
> finding out about money orders will presumably be my next task.
>
> Maybe my bank has done them all along, but I've never seen anything
> to say so. I must say that I'll be pleased if this turns out to be
> the way to pay for small ticket items I want to buy in the US.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sals_dad [mailto:sals_dad@b...]
>
> There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out
$28,
> or $38, or whatever.

Except, of course, for the small matter of having to support our
local publications :-)

But I'm an addict. I'd be happier in my skin if I could also read
MAIB regularly at a reasonable price. (It's not the subscription,
it's the cost of twice a month mailings that hurts my head...)

Gav
Who lives in a place where most of you would not believe the price of
epoxy.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> a Western Union money order in US$ for most overseas orders(eg
Woodenboat, Harold Payson ,Bolger etc.)

What is a Western Union money order? I've never heard of one in the
UK, and don't know where to get one. If we can persuade Bob to agree
on a cheaper delivery method - and I still tend to prefer mailing
once a month or once every two months to cut costs rather than pdfs -
finding out about money orders will presumably be my next task.

Maybe my bank has done them all along, but I've never seen anything
to say so. I must say that I'll be pleased if this turns out to be
the way to pay for small ticket items I want to buy in the US.

Gavin
Who knows how much value a drink is?! Some can be quite expensive, like a few thousand $ if you've had too many and decide to drive and get caught!!.

Yes most drinks like beer and wine are under $4.00 but they're only a "passing" thing (if you'll excuse the phrase!), not something your going to hold on to( Unless you've got an obstruction in your bladder!) like a magazine which will be useful and enjoyable to re visit years later.
Roger Derby <derbyrm@...> wrote:
Are drinks really that dear in Australia?

Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugo Tyson" <hhetyson@...>
<snip>
There's not much of any value that you can buy for under $4.00(AuD) these
days.Even at twice the price I still think MAIB would be reasonable value,
especially for the Bolger articles!



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Are drinks really that dear in Australia?

Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugo Tyson" <hhetyson@...>
<snip>
There's not much of any value that you can buy for under $4.00(AuD) these
days.Even at twice the price I still think MAIB would be reasonable value,
especially for the Bolger articles!
Yeah, if you have a job, which I don't currently. ;) --FrankB

-----Original Message-----
From: sals_dad [mailto:sals_dad@...]

There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out $28,
or $38, or whatever.
I'm pleased he doesn't accept credit card payment. I'm one of the few people now days not to have a credit card. If you haven't got the cash, you don't get the product!!! When I order items from websites I always pay by a postal money order( If locally in Australia) or by a Western Union money order in US$ for most overseas orders(eg Woodenboat, Harold Payson ,Bolger etc.)

With a Magazine like MAIB I can't see the need for credit card payment for a year's subscription as even from Australia it only takes about a week for a postal order to reach most places in the U.S.

I can understand the convienience of a credit card payment if one had to buy the magazines every fortnight but as a once a year payment its no big deal.

By not having a credit card saves me from making rash,impulse buys that I might regret latter. Having to go to my post office gives me time to think if I really need the product or can save my money for something better or more useful!!.

P.S. At U.S. $67 (about $90 AuD) I think MAIB magazines are exceptionally good value($3.46c AuD per issue).There's not much of any value that you can buy for under $4.00(AuD) these days.Even at twice the price I still think MAIB would be reasonable value, especially for the Bolger articles!

Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.

Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
--- "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:

> The bottom line is that I need MAIB
> more than Bob needs my business.

Put another way, MAIB operates on
a shoestring. Do the math.

$28/24 issues [USA] = $1.17 per issue

I would pay twice that for the Bolger
articles alone. 24 articles make a book,
and I was willing to pay more for my
copy of _Small Boats_.

His costs probably eat up all that $1.17.

If I am not mistaken, credit card companies
charge a flat fee, plus a percentage of
the take. He only has 4,500 subscribers
so the credit card flat fee is probably
a deal breaker.



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> If I am not mistaken, credit card companies
> charge a flat fee, plus a percentage of
> the take. He only has 4,500 subscribers
> so the credit card flat fee is probably
> a deal breaker.

There are plenty of ways for a small business to accept creit cards.
One business I was involved in had a minimal monthly fee ( maybe
$20) , plus a minimum $0.35 per transaction. Or you can piggyback on
another business's account.

I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure this shouldn't be a
dealbreaker. Anybody else have specific knowledge, who could help
Roberta with this? For Bob it's a dealbreaker because he'd have to
spend days/weeks fighting to learn about a part of the business
world, which he doesn't give a d**n for. Can anybody here help set
him up?

(I suspect some of Bolger's customer-unfriendly policies derive from
a similar worldview)
--- "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:

> The bottom line is that I need MAIB
> more than Bob needs my business.

Put another way, MAIB operates on
a shoestring. Do the math.

$28/24 issues [USA] = $1.17 per issue

I would pay twice that for the Bolger
articles alone. 24 articles make a book,
and I was willing to pay more for my
copy of _Small Boats_.

His costs probably eat up all that $1.17.

If I am not mistaken, credit card companies
charge a flat fee, plus a percentage of
the take. He only has 4,500 subscribers
so the credit card flat fee is probably
a deal breaker.
Nels wrote
> I would respectfully caution against getting too pushy. A few years
> back,

Well, sometimes you gotta push. I want Bob to make a lot of money,
without more hassles. Since his daughter is doing circulation,
maybe they can revisit the cc policy. If they are turning away
(profitable) business, they need a push.

As I said, Bob didn't seem averse to electronic distribution, he just
didn't want to learn anything about it. I raised the question of re-
distribution, that is NOT the reason he hasn't done it.

So maybe it's time...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> Offer to pay by cc! If enough people do, I'll bet they figure it
> out!
>
>
I would respectfully caution against getting too pushy. A few years
back, when I placed my order to renew my subscription I included a
letter suggesting that it would be much more convenient if I could
order by Credit card. Bob included a brief - to the point answer- in
my next issue, stating he made no money on foreign orders and wasn't
about to give any of it to the CC companies.

The bottom line is that I need MAIB more than Bob needs my business.
The bulk of the added cost is for the shipping and handling, proper
packaging etc. This adds up to higher costs and smaller margins.

Both Bob Hicks and Phil Bolger and Friends are a tremendous assest to
small do-it-yourself boat nuts. I am willing to go through whatever
it takes to keep them feeling comfortable in how they do business.

Cheers, Nels
Thank you Curtis, very much; I've just sent a mail to Roberta
Freeman. Now, lets see who's the modern Hero to convince PCB&F to
publish an online catalog! Any takers?

pep, who's been sailing all day in a J24 and still sees the monitor
screen rocking...

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> I just spoke with Bob Hicks -- (978) 774-0906
>
> I told him of b_owen's suggestion for PDF distribution. He's
> completely clueless, but says that if it's not too hard to create
the
> PDF files, his daughter, who uses email, and handles circulation,
> could probably send them out.
>
> May I suggest, that all of you who complain of international
postage
> costs, or of paper-based publication, put your money where your
mouth
> is. Here's a template email you might send:
>
>
>
> email: Roberta Freeman - officesupport@a...
> phone 978-777-3557
>
> Dear Roberta,
> I have heard about MAIB on the Bolger message board. I would like
to
> subscribe, but need to receive the magazine electronically (in PDF
or
> other format). I understand this option is not currently
available,
> but may be possible if there is enough subscriber interest.
>
> Please sign me up for the first 24 issues of this new edition,
> whenever it is available. Since this will require some additional
> effort, I believe it is appropriate that I pay a premium over the
> standard subscription. So please charge $38 to my credit card, as
> soon as you can start delivery.
>
> My billing info:
> Visa #0000-0000-0000, expires 12/03
> Name:
> Mailing Address
> Telephone
>
> Please deliver via email to sals_dad@b...
>
> Thank you, and I look forward to receiving the magazine, especially
> Phil Bolger's articles.
>
> Sincerely, .......
>
>
> Bob says they now have only about a dozen international
subscribers.
> If he can get 100 more through electronic delivery, that will be a
> significant increase in his business.
>
> Also, he's willing to send out sample issues, if subscribers can
> suggest good candidates. But he says his response on this has been
> very low.
>
> There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out
$28,
> or $38, or whatever.
>
> Curtis
Cam -

To get back issues of MAIB you may have to call Bob himself. I had him send me 2 back issues that had Bolgers "Champlain" written up at about $2.00 each. They came within a week. You can call Roberta Freeman - Office Support Services at 978-777-3557 or write Bob Hicks at 29 Burley St., Wenham, Ma. 01984-1943.

Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale

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Offer to pay by cc! If enough people do, I'll bet they figure it
out!


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> One small hang-up. He does not accept credit card orders.
>
> Other forms of payment, such as MO's etc are often charged an extra
> fee which is more than the Credit Card charges.
>
> Nels
One small hang-up. He does not accept credit card orders.

Other forms of payment, such as MO's etc are often charged an extra
fee which is more than the Credit Card charges.

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sals_dad" <sals_dad@b...> wrote:
> I just spoke with Bob Hicks -- (978) 774-0906
>
> I told him of b_owen's suggestion for PDF distribution. He's
> completely clueless, but says that if it's not too hard to create
the
> PDF files, his daughter, who uses email, and handles circulation,
> could probably send them out.
>
> May I suggest, that all of you who complain of international
postage
> costs, or of paper-based publication, put your money where your
mouth
> is. Here's a template email you might send:
>
>
>
> email: Roberta Freeman - officesupport@a...
> phone 978-777-3557
>
> Dear Roberta,
> I have heard about MAIB on the Bolger message board. I would like
to
> subscribe, but need to receive the magazine electronically (in PDF
or
> other format). I understand this option is not currently
available,
> but may be possible if there is enough subscriber interest.
>
> Please sign me up for the first 24 issues of this new edition,
> whenever it is available. Since this will require some additional
> effort, I believe it is appropriate that I pay a premium over the
> standard subscription. So please charge $38 to my credit card, as
> soon as you can start delivery.
>
> My billing info:
> Visa #0000-0000-0000, expires 12/03
> Name:
> Mailing Address
> Telephone
>
> Please deliver via email to sals_dad@b...
>
> Thank you, and I look forward to receiving the magazine, especially
> Phil Bolger's articles.
>
> Sincerely, .......
>
>
> Bob says they now have only about a dozen international
subscribers.
> If he can get 100 more through electronic delivery, that will be a
> significant increase in his business.
>
> Also, he's willing to send out sample issues, if subscribers can
> suggest good candidates. But he says his response on this has been
> very low.
>
> There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out
$28,
> or $38, or whatever.
>
> Curtis
I just spoke with Bob Hicks -- (978) 774-0906

I told him of b_owen's suggestion for PDF distribution. He's
completely clueless, but says that if it's not too hard to create the
PDF files, his daughter, who uses email, and handles circulation,
could probably send them out.

May I suggest, that all of you who complain of international postage
costs, or of paper-based publication, put your money where your mouth
is. Here's a template email you might send:



email: Roberta Freeman -officesupport@...
phone 978-777-3557

Dear Roberta,
I have heard about MAIB on the Bolger message board. I would like to
subscribe, but need to receive the magazine electronically (in PDF or
other format). I understand this option is not currently available,
but may be possible if there is enough subscriber interest.

Please sign me up for the first 24 issues of this new edition,
whenever it is available. Since this will require some additional
effort, I believe it is appropriate that I pay a premium over the
standard subscription. So please charge $38 to my credit card, as
soon as you can start delivery.

My billing info:
Visa #0000-0000-0000, expires 12/03
Name:
Mailing Address
Telephone

Please deliver via email tosals_dad@...

Thank you, and I look forward to receiving the magazine, especially
Phil Bolger's articles.

Sincerely, .......


Bob says they now have only about a dozen international subscribers.
If he can get 100 more through electronic delivery, that will be a
significant increase in his business.

Also, he's willing to send out sample issues, if subscribers can
suggest good candidates. But he says his response on this has been
very low.

There's no reason why everyone reading this shouldn't shell out $28,
or $38, or whatever.

Curtis
--- "camalexander2002" wrote:
> Does anyone know if back issues
> of MAIB are available

Yes, the publisher sells them
at a reasonable price too.

Google "messing about in boats"
to find their website.

Or call Bob Hicks and ask: (978) 774-0906

I even vaguely recall that someone
bought a whole set of xeroxed 'Bolger on
Design' articles from the back issues.
Does anyone know if back issues of MAIB are available, and if so, at
what price? I would also appreciate an email address for contact
with MAIB.
Thanks
Cam