Re: Boat Plans,a thank you from the blushing bride......
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "lakepepinmollyblue" <barryhill@...>
wrote:
Whaddya mean,"somewhat soured by age"?! Don't you know we are all
like huge premium bottles of wine getting better with age? All we need
is for someone to come in to check on us once in a while and to even
give us a gentle turning and Presto(!) we get better. God knows there
is enough grief and turmoil in the world thus it suits me to a"T" to
also be kept in the dark a while also :-)
Besides that, this boatbuilding hobby is grand medicine for
nurturing our inner child,who may become starved while we struggle with
adult life realities.....even our hero Bolger calls our boats big
toys....I say "Let's play!!"
As regards this business of perfection being the exclussive domain
of various deities, I say phoowee! It is all in the eye of the
beholder....just ask my crewette :-D
Keep a good thought Bob!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,perfectly happy,with his perfect crewette and enoying
this imperfect world/life...perfectly! :-D
wrote:
>Hi Bob,
> From a fellow unrepentant,if somewhat soured by age,romantic.
>
> Persian rug-makers make an intentional error because "only Allah is
> perfect".
>
> Perhaps more to the point, as I was told one fussy day in the school
> machine shop, "the Russians say,'Perfection is the enemy of Gudonov".
>
> From "gettin' a little green around the edges" Lake Pepin.
>
> Bob
Whaddya mean,"somewhat soured by age"?! Don't you know we are all
like huge premium bottles of wine getting better with age? All we need
is for someone to come in to check on us once in a while and to even
give us a gentle turning and Presto(!) we get better. God knows there
is enough grief and turmoil in the world thus it suits me to a"T" to
also be kept in the dark a while also :-)
Besides that, this boatbuilding hobby is grand medicine for
nurturing our inner child,who may become starved while we struggle with
adult life realities.....even our hero Bolger calls our boats big
toys....I say "Let's play!!"
As regards this business of perfection being the exclussive domain
of various deities, I say phoowee! It is all in the eye of the
beholder....just ask my crewette :-D
Keep a good thought Bob!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,perfectly happy,with his perfect crewette and enoying
this imperfect world/life...perfectly! :-D
From a fellow unrepentant,if somewhat soured by age,romantic.
Persian rug-makers make an intentional error because "only Allah is
perfect".
Perhaps more to the point, as I was told one fussy day in the school
machine shop, "the Russians say,'Perfection is the enemy of Gudonov".
From "gettin' a little green around the edges" Lake Pepin.
Bob
P.S. How do I get my name in black over there above the silly Yahoo ID?
Persian rug-makers make an intentional error because "only Allah is
perfect".
Perhaps more to the point, as I was told one fussy day in the school
machine shop, "the Russians say,'Perfection is the enemy of Gudonov".
From "gettin' a little green around the edges" Lake Pepin.
Bob
P.S. How do I get my name in black over there above the silly Yahoo ID?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
observation does ring true.In fact,I suspect part of the problem has
to do with me being an unrepentant romantic. Once my heart has been
hooked with an alluring enough design, I begin to have vivid dreams
about building it.In time these dreams are replaced with even better
ones about using the finished boat.
The challenge comes during the building dreams,whereby I see in my
minds eye a collage of every stinking scratch-n-sniff boat photo I've
ever seen and then begin imagining that I want my boat to look the
same. You can imagine for yourself how giddy these dreams often
become but in the end, I do indeed endeavour to "copy" what strikes
me as a professional job.
Of course not everyone is a classic nut-case like myself and they are
the lucky ones,unfettered by pre-concieved notions of how their
boat "should" look and perhaps far happier just getting her in the
water.......unlike yours truly who consumes serious manhours fussing
over umpteen little details in a vain attempt to re-produce his
perfect dream image. C'est la vie!!
Glad to hear you're back after a 2 week hiatus.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, eagerly looking forward to this coming weekend which
will see crewette and myself the honoured guests of none other then
Le Baron de Kingston and spend several nights on board his royal
yacht ADAGIO,anchored convieniently across from the Portsmouth
Tavern.....ah yes,crewette doesn't know yet what mayhem she has let
herself be sweet talked into by that slick,honey tongued
pirate..ooops!....I mean Baron,Big Bad Bruce Hector...:-D
> Here is an observation refecting on Peter's workmanship in generalYou know Nels,I've never taken the time to question myself but your
> and he is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.
>
> It seems to me that Peter chooses a certain level of quality ahead
> of time and then consistently follows it throughout the building
> process. This would logically begin with the initial choice of
> materials and then flows into the basic hull construction. Therefor
> the end result is a natural progression of the initial choices.
observation does ring true.In fact,I suspect part of the problem has
to do with me being an unrepentant romantic. Once my heart has been
hooked with an alluring enough design, I begin to have vivid dreams
about building it.In time these dreams are replaced with even better
ones about using the finished boat.
The challenge comes during the building dreams,whereby I see in my
minds eye a collage of every stinking scratch-n-sniff boat photo I've
ever seen and then begin imagining that I want my boat to look the
same. You can imagine for yourself how giddy these dreams often
become but in the end, I do indeed endeavour to "copy" what strikes
me as a professional job.
Of course not everyone is a classic nut-case like myself and they are
the lucky ones,unfettered by pre-concieved notions of how their
boat "should" look and perhaps far happier just getting her in the
water.......unlike yours truly who consumes serious manhours fussing
over umpteen little details in a vain attempt to re-produce his
perfect dream image. C'est la vie!!
Glad to hear you're back after a 2 week hiatus.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, eagerly looking forward to this coming weekend which
will see crewette and myself the honoured guests of none other then
Le Baron de Kingston and spend several nights on board his royal
yacht ADAGIO,anchored convieniently across from the Portsmouth
Tavern.....ah yes,crewette doesn't know yet what mayhem she has let
herself be sweet talked into by that slick,honey tongued
pirate..ooops!....I mean Baron,Big Bad Bruce Hector...:-D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@...>
wrote:
and he is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me that Peter chooses a certain level of quality ahead
of time and then consistently follows it throughout the building
process. This would logically begin with the initial choice of
materials and then flows into the basic hull construction. Therefor
the end result is a natural progression of the initial choices.
I would suggest this is the best way to go, no matter what your end
result is projected to be. Therefor for example, if you are going
to be more than happy with a "workboat" finish - don't even bother
with Brightsides paint and a mirror-like gloss finish. It will look
better with a semi-gloss or even matte finish:-) This was brought
home to me when reading an article in WB by a professional builder
recently who does that very thing. He used an almost flat light
toned paint, but in a couple of shades that really looked beautiful
to my eye.
Also I was struck by Mr. Bolgers comment in the Black Skimmer
article; "I'd suggest that the hull ought to be the last place to
economize." And then goes on to explain that other areas are where
one should look at saving money in "whatever order seems good to the
individual." Whether it be rig, power plant or the cabin details.
Nels
wrote:
>masterpiece
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" <magsman999@> wrote:
> >> The finish caught my eye at once when I opened the page.
> > There is no doubt in my mind that Lestat is an aquatic
> > and that Mr Lenihan is in league with dark forces. Somebartering
> > with Beelzebub must have taken place in order to assume thisit
> > enchanted guise... ;-)
>
> To Sam,Nels,Paul,James and Anthony, I say simply,THANK YOU but cut
> out :-) Yournot
> flattering comments are getting me all thirsty and God knows I do
> need any encouragement there ;-)Here is an observation refecting on Peter's workmanship in general
>
and he is welcome to correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me that Peter chooses a certain level of quality ahead
of time and then consistently follows it throughout the building
process. This would logically begin with the initial choice of
materials and then flows into the basic hull construction. Therefor
the end result is a natural progression of the initial choices.
I would suggest this is the best way to go, no matter what your end
result is projected to be. Therefor for example, if you are going
to be more than happy with a "workboat" finish - don't even bother
with Brightsides paint and a mirror-like gloss finish. It will look
better with a semi-gloss or even matte finish:-) This was brought
home to me when reading an article in WB by a professional builder
recently who does that very thing. He used an almost flat light
toned paint, but in a couple of shades that really looked beautiful
to my eye.
Also I was struck by Mr. Bolgers comment in the Black Skimmer
article; "I'd suggest that the hull ought to be the last place to
economize." And then goes on to explain that other areas are where
one should look at saving money in "whatever order seems good to the
individual." Whether it be rig, power plant or the cabin details.
Nels
I advise moderation in the sanding. You want to avoid turning out a
product so perfect that you're afraid to take it out of the boathouse.
The time on the water can be more pleasant in a rough knock about.
And then, risking your pride and joy with the idiots that crowd the
highways, I cringe. I think a 10-pace, semi-gloss finish is just fine.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John and Kathy Trussell"
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
paint. You can, eventuslly, lower the high spots with very fine sand
paper, but it goes much quicker if you start with coarse paper (60-80
grit) and work your way down to finish with 220 or finer.
they tend to gouge. Jitterbug sanders work OK, but they make my hands
tingle. A random orbital works pretty well.
fairing. Since my hand is not flat, I rely on the rubber sanding
blocks, particularly for the last several passes at wet sanding with
110/220 paper.
something to be avoided. Artists routinely included some small error
in a corner of their paintings to avoid this. I don't deliberately
include imperfections, but I generally reach the "that's as good as it
is going to get" stage long before I approach perfection!
product so perfect that you're afraid to take it out of the boathouse.
The time on the water can be more pleasant in a rough knock about.
And then, risking your pride and joy with the idiots that crowd the
highways, I cringe. I think a 10-pace, semi-gloss finish is just fine.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John and Kathy Trussell"
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
>necessary. I've found some things that make it a little easier.
> Sanding is my least favorite part of boatbuilding, but for me it is
>sanding off high spots and filling in low spots with primer/undercoat,
> The object of the exercise is to produce a perfectly flat surface by
paint. You can, eventuslly, lower the high spots with very fine sand
paper, but it goes much quicker if you start with coarse paper (60-80
grit) and work your way down to finish with 220 or finer.
>change it often. Your friendly auto paint store is a good source.
> Sandpaper gets dull and gets clogged. Buy it in bulk (sleeves), and
>sanders remove material quickly, but in unskilled hands (like mine),
> Power sanders are a mixed blessing. Circular sanders and belt
they tend to gouge. Jitterbug sanders work OK, but they make my hands
tingle. A random orbital works pretty well.
>two handles on one side and sandpaper on the other) works well for
> A sanding board (a flexible piece of board about 3 feet long with
fairing. Since my hand is not flat, I rely on the rubber sanding
blocks, particularly for the last several passes at wet sanding with
110/220 paper.
>time spent bending over a boat and sanding it.
> None of this takes the ache out of your back, but it does reduce the
>perfection and that for mere mortals to pursue perfection was
> During the Rennaissance, it was believed that only God could achieve
something to be avoided. Artists routinely included some small error
in a corner of their paintings to avoid this. I don't deliberately
include imperfections, but I generally reach the "that's as good as it
is going to get" stage long before I approach perfection!
>
>
Newcastle Brown Ale. They have a special ward at Newcastle General
Hospital, for the after-care of the good monks who sup the
sacramental liqour.
Koan: "What is the sound of one hand sanding?"
Zen Friction, Zen Burns. Tricycle Publications 2007
Tony
NE UK
Hospital, for the after-care of the good monks who sup the
sacramental liqour.
Koan: "What is the sound of one hand sanding?"
Zen Friction, Zen Burns. Tricycle Publications 2007
Tony
NE UK
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I too have found the zone. I don't always use the liquid helper,
but
> when I do... it's usually some sort of microbrewed beer. The higher
> alcohol content helps, as does the delicious, satisfying taste.
Many
> are the possibilities, but one of my favorites for boat work is
Full
> Sail Ale, out of Hood River, Oregon. Sipping on some McCarthy's
single
> malt whiskey works well also.
>
> Prosit,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR
>
> "Man's way to God is with beer in hand" -- Koffya (Nigeria) tribal
wisdom
>
> ******************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, john h wright <jhargrovewright2@>
wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > You have a gift for writing, even on the Zen of Sanding.
> >
> > I hate sanding and my boats show it.
> >
> > I will try to find you zone. In which brand of beer did you
find the
> > Zone?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
John,
I too have found the zone. I don't always use the liquid helper, but
when I do... it's usually some sort of microbrewed beer. The higher
alcohol content helps, as does the delicious, satisfying taste. Many
are the possibilities, but one of my favorites for boat work is Full
Sail Ale, out of Hood River, Oregon. Sipping on some McCarthy's single
malt whiskey works well also.
Prosit,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Man's way to God is with beer in hand" -- Koffya (Nigeria) tribal wisdom
******************
I too have found the zone. I don't always use the liquid helper, but
when I do... it's usually some sort of microbrewed beer. The higher
alcohol content helps, as does the delicious, satisfying taste. Many
are the possibilities, but one of my favorites for boat work is Full
Sail Ale, out of Hood River, Oregon. Sipping on some McCarthy's single
malt whiskey works well also.
Prosit,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR
"Man's way to God is with beer in hand" -- Koffya (Nigeria) tribal wisdom
******************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, john h wright <jhargrovewright2@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> You have a gift for writing, even on the Zen of Sanding.
>
> I hate sanding and my boats show it.
>
> I will try to find you zone. In which brand of beer did you find the
> Zone?
>
> Thanks!
Peter,
You have a gift for writing, even on the Zen of Sanding.
I hate sanding and my boats show it.
I will try to find you zone. In which brand of beer did you find the
Zone?
Thanks!
Dear Sam,
You have an embarrassment of riches beyond compare easily
within your reach if only you would tap into those reserves of
laziness! I know it worked for me once I figured out how to indeed
tap into my very own rich rolling pasture of unbridled laziness. It
began for me one silly day while palming a brand new sheet of 80
grit after just about emptying the beer cooler. Without nary the
slightest hint of anything untoward, I found myself becoming one
with the sandpaper and the paper an extension of my feeble psyche.A
sixth digit,as it were.
Without thinking too hard,not that I'm ever capable of such,I began
to notice a certain even texture to the part being sanded followed
by a sort of absent minded curiosity,that one can sometimes stumble
into while well pickled, about just how smooth can this paper
extension of my inner self really make the wood?
Well,time flying as it always does when too much fun is being had, I
soon had a few hours under my belt and a truly smooth surface to
gaze upon. I had stumbled into the zen like state of utter brainless
activity. Yessirree, just the sort of activity I am most comfortable
with. And to think of all the time I had fretted over my percieved
lack of skill to ever get anything right.Ya don't need any special
self-help books to become a "pro" sander!
Be that as it may, I remain immensely pleased that I have relieved
you of your private burden and set you free once again to roam
happily toward unknown horizons of utter joy and happiness:-
).....all I can really say is, no need to thank me,the pleasure was
all mine :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,just another monkey in that barrel of fun,Lenihan, from along
the shores of the mighty polluted St.lawrence...........
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You have a gift for writing, even on the Zen of Sanding.
I hate sanding and my boats show it.
I will try to find you zone. In which brand of beer did you find the
Zone?
Thanks!
Dear Sam,
You have an embarrassment of riches beyond compare easily
within your reach if only you would tap into those reserves of
laziness! I know it worked for me once I figured out how to indeed
tap into my very own rich rolling pasture of unbridled laziness. It
began for me one silly day while palming a brand new sheet of 80
grit after just about emptying the beer cooler. Without nary the
slightest hint of anything untoward, I found myself becoming one
with the sandpaper and the paper an extension of my feeble psyche.A
sixth digit,as it were.
Without thinking too hard,not that I'm ever capable of such,I began
to notice a certain even texture to the part being sanded followed
by a sort of absent minded curiosity,that one can sometimes stumble
into while well pickled, about just how smooth can this paper
extension of my inner self really make the wood?
Well,time flying as it always does when too much fun is being had, I
soon had a few hours under my belt and a truly smooth surface to
gaze upon. I had stumbled into the zen like state of utter brainless
activity. Yessirree, just the sort of activity I am most comfortable
with. And to think of all the time I had fretted over my percieved
lack of skill to ever get anything right.Ya don't need any special
self-help books to become a "pro" sander!
Be that as it may, I remain immensely pleased that I have relieved
you of your private burden and set you free once again to roam
happily toward unknown horizons of utter joy and happiness:-
).....all I can really say is, no need to thank me,the pleasure was
all mine :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,just another monkey in that barrel of fun,Lenihan, from along
the shores of the mighty polluted St.lawrence...........
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Sanding is my least favorite part of boatbuilding, but for me it is necessary. I've found some things that make it a little easier.
The object of the exercise is to produce a perfectly flat surface by sanding off high spots and filling in low spots with primer/undercoat, paint. You can, eventuslly, lower the high spots with very fine sand paper, but it goes much quicker if you start with coarse paper (60-80 grit) and work your way down to finish with 220 or finer.
Sandpaper gets dull and gets clogged. Buy it in bulk (sleeves), and change it often. Your friendly auto paint store is a good source.
Power sanders are a mixed blessing. Circular sanders and belt sanders remove material quickly, but in unskilled hands (like mine), they tend to gouge. Jitterbug sanders work OK, but they make my hands tingle. A random orbital works pretty well.
A sanding board (a flexible piece of board about 3 feet long with two handles on one side and sandpaper on the other) works well for fairing. Since my hand is not flat, I rely on the rubber sanding blocks, particularly for the last several passes at wet sanding with 110/220 paper.
None of this takes the ache out of your back, but it does reduce the time spent bending over a boat and sanding it.
During the Rennaissance, it was believed that only God could achieve perfection and that for mere mortals to pursue perfection was something to be avoided. Artists routinely included some small error in a corner of their paintings to avoid this. I don't deliberately include imperfections, but I generally reach the "that's as good as it is going to get" stage long before I approach perfection!
John T
The object of the exercise is to produce a perfectly flat surface by sanding off high spots and filling in low spots with primer/undercoat, paint. You can, eventuslly, lower the high spots with very fine sand paper, but it goes much quicker if you start with coarse paper (60-80 grit) and work your way down to finish with 220 or finer.
Sandpaper gets dull and gets clogged. Buy it in bulk (sleeves), and change it often. Your friendly auto paint store is a good source.
Power sanders are a mixed blessing. Circular sanders and belt sanders remove material quickly, but in unskilled hands (like mine), they tend to gouge. Jitterbug sanders work OK, but they make my hands tingle. A random orbital works pretty well.
A sanding board (a flexible piece of board about 3 feet long with two handles on one side and sandpaper on the other) works well for fairing. Since my hand is not flat, I rely on the rubber sanding blocks, particularly for the last several passes at wet sanding with 110/220 paper.
None of this takes the ache out of your back, but it does reduce the time spent bending over a boat and sanding it.
During the Rennaissance, it was believed that only God could achieve perfection and that for mere mortals to pursue perfection was something to be avoided. Artists routinely included some small error in a corner of their paintings to avoid this. I don't deliberately include imperfections, but I generally reach the "that's as good as it is going to get" stage long before I approach perfection!
John T
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 7:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans,a thank you from the blushing bride......
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
wrote:
my fleet
> of 80-grit ugly ducks. What has always bothered me is
> the suspicion that if I had just applied a little bit
> more care, a hair more effort, I too could have had a
> finish people would have admired. After reading your
> finishing schedule, and knowing my untapped reserves
> of laziness, I know now such a result is beyond me
> forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Life is
> good again. Sam
Dear Sam,
You have an embarrassement of riches beyond compare easily
within your reach if only you would tap into those reserves of
laziness! I know it worked for me once I figured out how to indeed
tap into my very own rich rolling pasture of unbridled laziness. It
began for me one silly day while palming a brand new sheet of 80
grit after just about emptying the beer cooler. Without nary the
slightest hint of anything untoward, I found myself becoming one
with the sandpaper and the paper an extension of my feeble psyche.A
sixth digit,as it were.
Without thinking too hard,not that I'm ever capable of such,I began
to notice a certain even texture to the part being sanded followed
by a sort of absent minded curiosity,that one can sometimes stumble
into while well pickled, about just how smooth can this paper
extension of my inner self really make the wood?
Well,time flying as it always does when too much fun is being had, I
soon had a few hours under my belt and a truly smooth surface to
gaze upon. I had stumbled into the zen like state of utter brainless
activity. Yessirree, just the sort of activity I am most comfortable
with. And to think of all the time I had fretted over my percieved
lack of skill to ever get anything right.Ya don't need any special
self-help books to become a "pro" sander!
Be that as it may, I remain immensely pleased that I have relieved
you of your private burden and set you free once again to roam
happily toward unknown horizons of utter joy and happiness:-
).....all I can really say is, no need to thank me,the pleasure was
all mine :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,just another monkey in that barrel of fun,Lenihan, from along
the shores of the mighty polluted St.lawrence...........
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
wrote:
my fleet
You have an embarrassement of riches beyond compare easily
within your reach if only you would tap into those reserves of
laziness! I know it worked for me once I figured out how to indeed
tap into my very own rich rolling pasture of unbridled laziness. It
began for me one silly day while palming a brand new sheet of 80
grit after just about emptying the beer cooler. Without nary the
slightest hint of anything untoward, I found myself becoming one
with the sandpaper and the paper an extension of my feeble psyche.A
sixth digit,as it were.
Without thinking too hard,not that I'm ever capable of such,I began
to notice a certain even texture to the part being sanded followed
by a sort of absent minded curiosity,that one can sometimes stumble
into while well pickled, about just how smooth can this paper
extension of my inner self really make the wood?
Well,time flying as it always does when too much fun is being had, I
soon had a few hours under my belt and a truly smooth surface to
gaze upon. I had stumbled into the zen like state of utter brainless
activity. Yessirree, just the sort of activity I am most comfortable
with. And to think of all the time I had fretted over my percieved
lack of skill to ever get anything right.Ya don't need any special
self-help books to become a "pro" sander!
Be that as it may, I remain immensely pleased that I have relieved
you of your private burden and set you free once again to roam
happily toward unknown horizons of utter joy and happiness:-
).....all I can really say is, no need to thank me,the pleasure was
all mine :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,just another monkey in that barrel of fun,Lenihan, from along
the shores of the mighty polluted St.lawrence...........
wrote:
my fleet
> of 80-grit ugly ducks. What has always bothered me isDear Sam,
> the suspicion that if I had just applied a little bit
> more care, a hair more effort, I too could have had a
> finish people would have admired. After reading your
> finishing schedule, and knowing my untapped reserves
> of laziness, I know now such a result is beyond me
> forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Life is
> good again. Sam
You have an embarrassement of riches beyond compare easily
within your reach if only you would tap into those reserves of
laziness! I know it worked for me once I figured out how to indeed
tap into my very own rich rolling pasture of unbridled laziness. It
began for me one silly day while palming a brand new sheet of 80
grit after just about emptying the beer cooler. Without nary the
slightest hint of anything untoward, I found myself becoming one
with the sandpaper and the paper an extension of my feeble psyche.A
sixth digit,as it were.
Without thinking too hard,not that I'm ever capable of such,I began
to notice a certain even texture to the part being sanded followed
by a sort of absent minded curiosity,that one can sometimes stumble
into while well pickled, about just how smooth can this paper
extension of my inner self really make the wood?
Well,time flying as it always does when too much fun is being had, I
soon had a few hours under my belt and a truly smooth surface to
gaze upon. I had stumbled into the zen like state of utter brainless
activity. Yessirree, just the sort of activity I am most comfortable
with. And to think of all the time I had fretted over my percieved
lack of skill to ever get anything right.Ya don't need any special
self-help books to become a "pro" sander!
Be that as it may, I remain immensely pleased that I have relieved
you of your private burden and set you free once again to roam
happily toward unknown horizons of utter joy and happiness:-
).....all I can really say is, no need to thank me,the pleasure was
all mine :-)
Sincerely,
Peter,just another monkey in that barrel of fun,Lenihan, from along
the shores of the mighty polluted St.lawrence...........
Peter, you are an artist and a gentleman. Your
artistry needs no explanation, once you have seen a
picture of Lestat. You are a gentleman because you
have absolved me of all remorse as I survey my fleet
of 80-grit ugly ducks. What has always bothered me is
the suspicion that if I had just applied a little bit
more care, a hair more effort, I too could have had a
finish people would have admired. After reading your
finishing schedule, and knowing my untapped reserves
of laziness, I know now such a result is beyond me
forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Life is
good again. Sam
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artistry needs no explanation, once you have seen a
picture of Lestat. You are a gentleman because you
have absolved me of all remorse as I survey my fleet
of 80-grit ugly ducks. What has always bothered me is
the suspicion that if I had just applied a little bit
more care, a hair more effort, I too could have had a
finish people would have admired. After reading your
finishing schedule, and knowing my untapped reserves
of laziness, I know now such a result is beyond me
forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Life is
good again. Sam
--- Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
> As for the much touted finish on LESTAT, I can only__________________________________________________
> say that for a
> two neuron chap like myself, I played it really safe
> and actually
> read the instructions on the product labels many
> times over before
> committing my slave labour. With my failing memory
> in tatters and
> shreds, the best I can piece together at the moment
> is the following
> schedule mosaic:
> 1)all surfaces THOROUGHLY sanded
> 2)all surfaces sealed with an epoxy sealer(IFC S-1
> sealer),at least 2
> coats with THOROUGH sanding between coats
> 3) Interlux Epoxy Barrier Coat 404 generously
> applied to THOROUGHLY
> sanded(and sealed) surfaces.
> 4)Barrier Coat THOROUGHLY sanded until it looked
> like a mirror froma
> very oblique angle.
> 5) another coat of Barrier Coat since one was not
> enough for the full
> mirror effect.
> 6) repeat step 4
> 7)first coat of paint,Interlux
> Brightside,un-diluted.
> 8)wet sand this paint,THOROUGHLY.
> 9)second coat of Brightside.
>
> I used a foam brush and regular paint brush to apply
> the finish coat.
> When I use the word THOROUGHLY, I intend it to mean
> that the surface
> has not one square centimetre of glossiness to
> it...nothing but a
> lovely dull mat allure,ready to suck up and hold the
> suscessive coat.
>
> In brief, ya gotta be half out of yer mind crazy in
> love with your
> project to go nuts like that, but for some it is
> worth it :-)....not
> entirely necessary,but worth it.
>
> Thanks again for the incredible deluge of kindness
> and may you all
> experience your own highs from your respective
> projects!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan, presently on a real vacation and
> sticking to an
> olympic style regime in the brewski department after
> a Wednesday
> visit from that hop-n-malt guzzler of lore Big Bad
> Bruce Hector,aka
> Le Baron de Kingston,who has extended an invite to
> his realm for the
> crewette and moi,next week,on board the pirate
> vessel
> ADAGIO......hmmmm.....gonna be some serious tanking
> goin on I
> fear,out there at the mouth of the mighty
> St.Lawrence...................I can't wait!!!!!
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" <magsman999@...> wrote:
out :-) Your
flattering comments are getting me all thirsty and God knows I do not
need any encouragement there ;-)
And Tony,Beelzebub( St.Lucy to his friends) never traded nothin' with
me I didn't already have and the only "darkness" in my life comes in
delighful little brown bottles usually with appelations such as
Dungness Dark Ale or Rubys Dark Ale etc....and believe me,you only
see the light after a night full of them Ales ;-D
As for the much touted finish on LESTAT, I can only say that for a
two neuron chap like myself, I played it really safe and actually
read the instructions on the product labels many times over before
committing my slave labour. With my failing memory in tatters and
shreds, the best I can piece together at the moment is the following
schedule mosaic:
1)all surfaces THOROUGHLY sanded
2)all surfaces sealed with an epoxy sealer(IFC S-1 sealer),at least 2
coats with THOROUGH sanding between coats
3) Interlux Epoxy Barrier Coat 404 generously applied to THOROUGHLY
sanded(and sealed) surfaces.
4)Barrier Coat THOROUGHLY sanded until it looked like a mirror froma
very oblique angle.
5) another coat of Barrier Coat since one was not enough for the full
mirror effect.
6) repeat step 4
7)first coat of paint,Interlux Brightside,un-diluted.
8)wet sand this paint,THOROUGHLY.
9)second coat of Brightside.
I used a foam brush and regular paint brush to apply the finish coat.
When I use the word THOROUGHLY, I intend it to mean that the surface
has not one square centimetre of glossiness to it...nothing but a
lovely dull mat allure,ready to suck up and hold the suscessive coat.
In brief, ya gotta be half out of yer mind crazy in love with your
project to go nuts like that, but for some it is worth it :-)....not
entirely necessary,but worth it.
Thanks again for the incredible deluge of kindness and may you all
experience your own highs from your respective projects!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, presently on a real vacation and sticking to an
olympic style regime in the brewski department after a Wednesday
visit from that hop-n-malt guzzler of lore Big Bad Bruce Hector,aka
Le Baron de Kingston,who has extended an invite to his realm for the
crewette and moi,next week,on board the pirate vessel
ADAGIO......hmmmm.....gonna be some serious tanking goin on I
fear,out there at the mouth of the mighty
St.Lawrence...................I can't wait!!!!!
>> The finish caught my eye at once when I opened the page.To Sam,Nels,Paul,James and Anthony, I say simply,THANK YOU but cut it
> There is no doubt in my mind that Lestat is an aquatic masterpiece
> and that Mr Lenihan is in league with dark forces. Some bartering
> with Beelzebub must have taken place in order to assume this
> enchanted guise... ;-)
out :-) Your
flattering comments are getting me all thirsty and God knows I do not
need any encouragement there ;-)
And Tony,Beelzebub( St.Lucy to his friends) never traded nothin' with
me I didn't already have and the only "darkness" in my life comes in
delighful little brown bottles usually with appelations such as
Dungness Dark Ale or Rubys Dark Ale etc....and believe me,you only
see the light after a night full of them Ales ;-D
As for the much touted finish on LESTAT, I can only say that for a
two neuron chap like myself, I played it really safe and actually
read the instructions on the product labels many times over before
committing my slave labour. With my failing memory in tatters and
shreds, the best I can piece together at the moment is the following
schedule mosaic:
1)all surfaces THOROUGHLY sanded
2)all surfaces sealed with an epoxy sealer(IFC S-1 sealer),at least 2
coats with THOROUGH sanding between coats
3) Interlux Epoxy Barrier Coat 404 generously applied to THOROUGHLY
sanded(and sealed) surfaces.
4)Barrier Coat THOROUGHLY sanded until it looked like a mirror froma
very oblique angle.
5) another coat of Barrier Coat since one was not enough for the full
mirror effect.
6) repeat step 4
7)first coat of paint,Interlux Brightside,un-diluted.
8)wet sand this paint,THOROUGHLY.
9)second coat of Brightside.
I used a foam brush and regular paint brush to apply the finish coat.
When I use the word THOROUGHLY, I intend it to mean that the surface
has not one square centimetre of glossiness to it...nothing but a
lovely dull mat allure,ready to suck up and hold the suscessive coat.
In brief, ya gotta be half out of yer mind crazy in love with your
project to go nuts like that, but for some it is worth it :-)....not
entirely necessary,but worth it.
Thanks again for the incredible deluge of kindness and may you all
experience your own highs from your respective projects!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, presently on a real vacation and sticking to an
olympic style regime in the brewski department after a Wednesday
visit from that hop-n-malt guzzler of lore Big Bad Bruce Hector,aka
Le Baron de Kingston,who has extended an invite to his realm for the
crewette and moi,next week,on board the pirate vessel
ADAGIO......hmmmm.....gonna be some serious tanking goin on I
fear,out there at the mouth of the mighty
St.Lawrence...................I can't wait!!!!!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
I simply had to jump in here!
The finish caught my eye at once when I opened the page.
There is no doubt in my mind that Lestat is an aquatic masterpiece
and that Mr Lenihan is in league with dark forces. Some bartering
with Beelzebub must have taken place in order to assume this
enchanted guise... ;-)
Nels, I haven't forgotten that I owe you, Peter and Graham and
explanation regarding my future plans. As you've caught me snooping
on all sorts of weird and wonderful boat-building sites, you might
guess I'm waying up the pros and cons pretty thoroughly.
I have to say, though, that Lestat - I mean Bolger's micro - is
still top of my list, although I have a serious interest in Paradox -
if I might be forgiven for saying so on this board. Given Paradox's
Bolgeresque nature (IMHO) I'd be surprised if more than a few Bloger
fans weren't at least curious in her regard. (NOT thread-starting Mr
Moderator!)
But Paradox is a single persons boat, and don't like to be exclusive
regarding Joan, even if it seems unlikely that she'll ever be
comfortable afloat, if I'm honest with myself :(
L8er,
Tony.
>us a
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@>
> wrote:
> >
> > By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat.
> > What a beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own
> > wood/and/paint butchery. Sam
> >
> I continue to marvel at it myself. Perhaps Mr. Lenihan will give
> review again sometime of how he accomplishes this. As he finishesBrightsides
> Windermere.
>
> I know it involves using MDO, several coats of epoxy and
> one-part polyurathane, and lots of sanding. Hard to believe it isdone
> with a brush. It has never been waxed and has been outside most ofit's
> going on 14th year life - since being built.meself;-)
>
> I'm afraid to touch it as I'm more a "workboat" type finisher
> But that works fine too ya know!Nels,
>
> Nels
I simply had to jump in here!
The finish caught my eye at once when I opened the page.
There is no doubt in my mind that Lestat is an aquatic masterpiece
and that Mr Lenihan is in league with dark forces. Some bartering
with Beelzebub must have taken place in order to assume this
enchanted guise... ;-)
Nels, I haven't forgotten that I owe you, Peter and Graham and
explanation regarding my future plans. As you've caught me snooping
on all sorts of weird and wonderful boat-building sites, you might
guess I'm waying up the pros and cons pretty thoroughly.
I have to say, though, that Lestat - I mean Bolger's micro - is
still top of my list, although I have a serious interest in Paradox -
if I might be forgiven for saying so on this board. Given Paradox's
Bolgeresque nature (IMHO) I'd be surprised if more than a few Bloger
fans weren't at least curious in her regard. (NOT thread-starting Mr
Moderator!)
But Paradox is a single persons boat, and don't like to be exclusive
regarding Joan, even if it seems unlikely that she'll ever be
comfortable afloat, if I'm honest with myself :(
L8er,
Tony.
>I simply must jump in here.
Sam Glasscock wrote:
If Lestat is great, and it is - I tied St Jan alongside her, imagine how
Windermere is going to look. Lenihan is, to use a current word, awesome.
Jim
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> By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat.Sam
> What a beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own
> wood/and/paint butchery. Sam
>
> .
>
>
If Lestat is great, and it is - I tied St Jan alongside her, imagine how
Windermere is going to look. Lenihan is, to use a current word, awesome.
Jim
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Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@
wrote: By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat. What a
beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own wood/and/paint butchery. I
continue to marvel at it myself. Perhaps Mr. Lenihan will give us a
review again sometime of how he accomplishes this. As he finishes
Windermere.
Having had the opportunity and priviledge to visit Peter during the
construction of the Windemere a few times, I can attest to his desire
for and accomplishing a VERY high level of craftmanship and serious
thought on the the process. In a perfect world, Peter and his peers
(if there are any) would build all the Bolger designs and let
everyone use them at their will.
Peter I hope you get on the water soon and bring a sparkle to many an
eye.
regards, another wood butcher but on the water, Paul Mclellan basking
on the finishing of a screened in cover for the foredeck of the
Houseboat. I scrounged the old tent poles and my wife sewed it up
using no seeup mesh and UV material. Looks sort of Bolgerish but
multifunctional for bugs shade and rain.
wrote: By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat. What a
beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own wood/and/paint butchery. I
continue to marvel at it myself. Perhaps Mr. Lenihan will give us a
review again sometime of how he accomplishes this. As he finishes
Windermere.
Having had the opportunity and priviledge to visit Peter during the
construction of the Windemere a few times, I can attest to his desire
for and accomplishing a VERY high level of craftmanship and serious
thought on the the process. In a perfect world, Peter and his peers
(if there are any) would build all the Bolger designs and let
everyone use them at their will.
Peter I hope you get on the water soon and bring a sparkle to many an
eye.
regards, another wood butcher but on the water, Paul Mclellan basking
on the finishing of a screened in cover for the foredeck of the
Houseboat. I scrounged the old tent poles and my wife sewed it up
using no seeup mesh and UV material. Looks sort of Bolgerish but
multifunctional for bugs shade and rain.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...>
wrote:
review again sometime of how he accomplishes this. As he finishes
Windermere.
I know it involves using MDO, several coats of epoxy and Brightsides
one-part polyurathane, and lots of sanding. Hard to believe it is done
with a brush. It has never been waxed and has been outside most of it's
going on 14th year life - since being built.
I'm afraid to touch it as I'm more a "workboat" type finisher meself;-)
But that works fine too ya know!
Nels
wrote:
>I continue to marvel at it myself. Perhaps Mr. Lenihan will give us a
> By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat.
> What a beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own
> wood/and/paint butchery. Sam
>
review again sometime of how he accomplishes this. As he finishes
Windermere.
I know it involves using MDO, several coats of epoxy and Brightsides
one-part polyurathane, and lots of sanding. Hard to believe it is done
with a brush. It has never been waxed and has been outside most of it's
going on 14th year life - since being built.
I'm afraid to touch it as I'm more a "workboat" type finisher meself;-)
But that works fine too ya know!
Nels
By God, Nels, I can't believe the finish on Lestat.
What a beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own
wood/and/paint butchery. Sam
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What a beauty. Makes me ashamed of my own
wood/and/paint butchery. Sam
--- Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
> Anyone contemplating a WDJ Schooner or a Black__________________________________________________
> Skimmer should check
> this out:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger4Sale/
>
> Nels
>
>
>
>
>
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Anyone contemplating a WDJ Schooner or a Black Skimmer should check
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Nels
this out:
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Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
these 8'x8' modules
Oh come on Hugo,where's your sense of fun? :-D It won't look
revolting at all since it will,per force,have a bow unit(beer
freezer) and pusher unit(another beer freezer) anyway. The power unit
you suggest would be great but very expensive(the price of the entire
boats materials?!). I'd be more inclined to begin scavenging the
neighbourhood garbage cans after Christmas for all those discarded
gas mowers replaced by electric jobs. Perhaps 6 would be a sufficiant
number.Then,they could all be mounted off the stern of the aft beer
freezer..err.."pusher" unit with those so called Dragon Tails drive
systems(long pipes welded onto the drive shaft of the motor at one
end and a prop at the other end.) A couple of rear mounted davits to
serve as hard points for the drive trains lifting devices for
variable draft control. This way,you just crank up one motor when you
aren't in a rush or wind up all 6 when fighting a strong current such
as can be found in the 1000 Islands East of the Land-o-Bruce.
This "engine room" would also be the perfect gathering spot for all
the mechanically inclined sailors,especially after a few hours worth
of beer guzzeling.Arrrrr,indeed.....there would be enough ropes to
yank,plugs to inspect and parts to fiddle with that the fairer crew
members need never worry about where their men have all dissappeared
to! An added bonus would be for kluts,like myself, to maybe,just
maybe,actually learn something about how those friggin' little motors
work in the first place :-) Oh the joy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,praying for an electric mower under the tree THIS
Christmas...................
> Yes all that my be true , but it would look truly revolting on itsown, you'd have to have a bow unit and a pusher/tug unit as well as
these 8'x8' modules
Oh come on Hugo,where's your sense of fun? :-D It won't look
revolting at all since it will,per force,have a bow unit(beer
freezer) and pusher unit(another beer freezer) anyway. The power unit
you suggest would be great but very expensive(the price of the entire
boats materials?!). I'd be more inclined to begin scavenging the
neighbourhood garbage cans after Christmas for all those discarded
gas mowers replaced by electric jobs. Perhaps 6 would be a sufficiant
number.Then,they could all be mounted off the stern of the aft beer
freezer..err.."pusher" unit with those so called Dragon Tails drive
systems(long pipes welded onto the drive shaft of the motor at one
end and a prop at the other end.) A couple of rear mounted davits to
serve as hard points for the drive trains lifting devices for
variable draft control. This way,you just crank up one motor when you
aren't in a rush or wind up all 6 when fighting a strong current such
as can be found in the 1000 Islands East of the Land-o-Bruce.
This "engine room" would also be the perfect gathering spot for all
the mechanically inclined sailors,especially after a few hours worth
of beer guzzeling.Arrrrr,indeed.....there would be enough ropes to
yank,plugs to inspect and parts to fiddle with that the fairer crew
members need never worry about where their men have all dissappeared
to! An added bonus would be for kluts,like myself, to maybe,just
maybe,actually learn something about how those friggin' little motors
work in the first place :-) Oh the joy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,praying for an electric mower under the tree THIS
Christmas...................
Yes all that my be true , but it would look truly revolting on its own, you'd have to have a bow unit and a pusher/tug unit as well as these 8'x8' modules. Why not 8'x8'x8' modules with roof top gardens etc to further extend the possibilities?(Maybe a bit unstable unless ballasted?)
How about a 16' x 8 Bow unit and a 12'-16' x 8' Tug/pusher unit with a Deutz air(Oil?) cooled diesel (or 2 ) and that outboard leg type drive(s) unit(s) as featured on the "Sitka Explorer" ?? The big TIMS El Senior !!!.
I still think Bruce should keep on saving his $ for that "Civillian Aircraft Carrier" Concept of his, I reckon that'd be one amazing vessel, especially cruising along at 20+ knots with these little STOL aircraft taking off and landing on her!!!!!
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
What ya'll need is an 8 foot beam TIMS!
The little 4 foot beamer was just a proof of concept. But build one
with 8 by 8 modules and it starts getting really useful.
Imagine an 8 by 8 sleeping module, why the li'l sucker could have a
queen size bed with room for night tables and a closet or two. Or two
sets of bunk beds for more cozy accomodation for 4!
Consider the 8 by 8 galley unit. Convertible dinette to port, 8 foot
long galley to starboard. Coolers aplenty for your favorite amber
throat charmer. Loads of room to whip up a little lobster thermidor
to go wi' your bubbly.
Bask in the 8 by 8 sunbathing unit, a bare module (is that a pun or
just the naked truth?) just perfect for a couple of recliners and a
BBQ!
What about a luxurious 8 by 8 bathroom unit. Shower, potti, sink and
an exterior water heater/pump set up?
Feel like a little dancing? Fold up the recliners, and the sunbathing
unit easily converts into a dance floor.
Just bolt on the units needed for a given outing, push it with an 8
by 16 Mini Towboat. When you get there, just anchor the whole mess in
the nearest bay and go into the marina so you only have to pay for
the towboat. Or better yet, an 8 foot Bolger Skimmer as tender.
Bos'un Bruce Hector
Just dreaming up new ways to save on exorbitant marina fess and have
some cheap fun on the water.
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How about a 16' x 8 Bow unit and a 12'-16' x 8' Tug/pusher unit with a Deutz air(Oil?) cooled diesel (or 2 ) and that outboard leg type drive(s) unit(s) as featured on the "Sitka Explorer" ?? The big TIMS El Senior !!!.
I still think Bruce should keep on saving his $ for that "Civillian Aircraft Carrier" Concept of his, I reckon that'd be one amazing vessel, especially cruising along at 20+ knots with these little STOL aircraft taking off and landing on her!!!!!
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
What ya'll need is an 8 foot beam TIMS!
The little 4 foot beamer was just a proof of concept. But build one
with 8 by 8 modules and it starts getting really useful.
Imagine an 8 by 8 sleeping module, why the li'l sucker could have a
queen size bed with room for night tables and a closet or two. Or two
sets of bunk beds for more cozy accomodation for 4!
Consider the 8 by 8 galley unit. Convertible dinette to port, 8 foot
long galley to starboard. Coolers aplenty for your favorite amber
throat charmer. Loads of room to whip up a little lobster thermidor
to go wi' your bubbly.
Bask in the 8 by 8 sunbathing unit, a bare module (is that a pun or
just the naked truth?) just perfect for a couple of recliners and a
BBQ!
What about a luxurious 8 by 8 bathroom unit. Shower, potti, sink and
an exterior water heater/pump set up?
Feel like a little dancing? Fold up the recliners, and the sunbathing
unit easily converts into a dance floor.
Just bolt on the units needed for a given outing, push it with an 8
by 16 Mini Towboat. When you get there, just anchor the whole mess in
the nearest bay and go into the marina so you only have to pay for
the towboat. Or better yet, an 8 foot Bolger Skimmer as tender.
Bos'un Bruce Hector
Just dreaming up new ways to save on exorbitant marina fess and have
some cheap fun on the water.
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What ya'll need is an 8 foot beam TIMS!
The little 4 foot beamer was just a proof of concept. But build one
with 8 by 8 modules and it starts getting really useful.
Imagine an 8 by 8 sleeping module, why the li'l sucker could have a
queen size bed with room for night tables and a closet or two. Or two
sets of bunk beds for more cozy accomodation for 4!
Consider the 8 by 8 galley unit. Convertible dinette to port, 8 foot
long galley to starboard. Coolers aplenty for your favorite amber
throat charmer. Loads of room to whip up a little lobster thermidor
to go wi' your bubbly.
Bask in the 8 by 8 sunbathing unit, a bare module (is that a pun or
just the naked truth?) just perfect for a couple of recliners and a
BBQ!
What about a luxurious 8 by 8 bathroom unit. Shower, potti, sink and
an exterior water heater/pump set up?
Feel like a little dancing? Fold up the recliners, and the sunbathing
unit easily converts into a dance floor.
Just bolt on the units needed for a given outing, push it with an 8
by 16 Mini Towboat. When you get there, just anchor the whole mess in
the nearest bay and go into the marina so you only have to pay for
the towboat. Or better yet, an 8 foot Bolger Skimmer as tender.
Bos'un Bruce Hector
Just dreaming up new ways to save on exorbitant marina fess and have
some cheap fun on the water.
The little 4 foot beamer was just a proof of concept. But build one
with 8 by 8 modules and it starts getting really useful.
Imagine an 8 by 8 sleeping module, why the li'l sucker could have a
queen size bed with room for night tables and a closet or two. Or two
sets of bunk beds for more cozy accomodation for 4!
Consider the 8 by 8 galley unit. Convertible dinette to port, 8 foot
long galley to starboard. Coolers aplenty for your favorite amber
throat charmer. Loads of room to whip up a little lobster thermidor
to go wi' your bubbly.
Bask in the 8 by 8 sunbathing unit, a bare module (is that a pun or
just the naked truth?) just perfect for a couple of recliners and a
BBQ!
What about a luxurious 8 by 8 bathroom unit. Shower, potti, sink and
an exterior water heater/pump set up?
Feel like a little dancing? Fold up the recliners, and the sunbathing
unit easily converts into a dance floor.
Just bolt on the units needed for a given outing, push it with an 8
by 16 Mini Towboat. When you get there, just anchor the whole mess in
the nearest bay and go into the marina so you only have to pay for
the towboat. Or better yet, an 8 foot Bolger Skimmer as tender.
Bos'un Bruce Hector
Just dreaming up new ways to save on exorbitant marina fess and have
some cheap fun on the water.
Nels
No I hadn't seen the photo of the boat for sale , heavily modified is right
, not at all sure I like it , $67,000 is about $90,000 AUD , don't think
I'll be buying it any time soon
Yeah had seen the site for the Puffin 28 quite some time ago but it wasn't
near so far advanced , it's certainly coming along and looks good
According to the study plan the proper plans include material list , lines ,
set-up , construction and arrangement , so I suppose there is some lofting
but you can for a additional price get the full size frame plan
I haven't purchased the full plan yet only the study plan , but from what I
can see the 23 version is just a extension on the 21 plan , won't know for
sure until I talk to the designer , but I think the 23 will be the better
one for me
I already have a couple of kayaks to play with and have ordered plans for
the Mill creek 16.5 Kayak and Jim Michalak's 16' Jonsboat so I'll have
plenty to play with in the mean time
I'll be building the redwing with plenty of full opening windows as with our
climate we need plenty of air flow , I'll also extend the shade area on deck
about 3 feet as shade is another important consideration
Regards
David Wallace
No I hadn't seen the photo of the boat for sale , heavily modified is right
, not at all sure I like it , $67,000 is about $90,000 AUD , don't think
I'll be buying it any time soon
Yeah had seen the site for the Puffin 28 quite some time ago but it wasn't
near so far advanced , it's certainly coming along and looks good
According to the study plan the proper plans include material list , lines ,
set-up , construction and arrangement , so I suppose there is some lofting
but you can for a additional price get the full size frame plan
I haven't purchased the full plan yet only the study plan , but from what I
can see the 23 version is just a extension on the 21 plan , won't know for
sure until I talk to the designer , but I think the 23 will be the better
one for me
I already have a couple of kayaks to play with and have ordered plans for
the Mill creek 16.5 Kayak and Jim Michalak's 16' Jonsboat so I'll have
plenty to play with in the mean time
I'll be building the redwing with plenty of full opening windows as with our
climate we need plenty of air flow , I'll also extend the shade area on deck
about 3 feet as shade is another important consideration
Regards
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:22 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > Nels
> >
> > The Clam skiff is a interesting boat to be sure but while I haven't
> looked
> > at all the Bolger designs I've looked at a lot and it was with
> reluctance
> > that I looked else where and the Redwing 23 is the one that most
> fits the
> > bill for what I want , and it looks good too ,
> >
>
> Hi David,
>
> Have you seen the photos linked to this? You click on the 4th star
> down I think it is. A modified Redwing 23 for sale for "only" 67 K
> (US)!
>
>http://www.cppyacht.com/cgi-local/boats2.pl?type=power
>
> Also - what may be of interest is the construction website link that
> shows the construction of a PUFFIN 28 at the Stambaugh plans site.
>
> This is a much bigger boat but it does show the "rotissere" method of
> turning a hull over. Also shows a welded-up cradle for the boat.
>
> Do the plans you have require lofting? And is the construction
> sequence similiar to Puffin? Seems it uses a combination of plywood
> and cold moulding over bent frames. Not exactly an "instant" boat.
>
> What I might be tempted to do is build a clam skiff for practice and
> to have something to use while building a Redwing. If the first mate
> thought it was too ugly then she could stay home and work on Redwing
> while I went out fishing once in awhile. As Redwing was nearing
> completion, I could sell the first boat and would already have the
> trailer and motor. Of course I would have to give up the open, airy
> house and planing ability of the clam skiff!
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
Seems it uses a combination of plywood
> and cold moulding over bent frames. Not exactly an "instant" boat.
Correction:
There are no "bent frames" of course. It is built around sawn framed
bulkheads and the builder added some temporary sawn frames.
Also the Redwing "23" as shown is actually a Redwing "21" with an
extended sort of draketail stern - that allows the motor to be raised
and stay inside the well by the looks of it. It also apperas that the
pilothouse has only canvas drop curtains to completley enclose it.
This would be nice where it rains very seldom and the cold winds
don't blow:-)
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
Have you seen the photos linked to this? You click on the 4th star
down I think it is. A modified Redwing 23 for sale for "only" 67 K
(US)!
http://www.cppyacht.com/cgi-local/boats2.pl?type=power
Also - what may be of interest is the construction website link that
shows the construction of a PUFFIN 28 at the Stambaugh plans site.
This is a much bigger boat but it does show the "rotissere" method of
turning a hull over. Also shows a welded-up cradle for the boat.
Do the plans you have require lofting? And is the construction
sequence similiar to Puffin? Seems it uses a combination of plywood
and cold moulding over bent frames. Not exactly an "instant" boat.
What I might be tempted to do is build a clam skiff for practice and
to have something to use while building a Redwing. If the first mate
thought it was too ugly then she could stay home and work on Redwing
while I went out fishing once in awhile. As Redwing was nearing
completion, I could sell the first boat and would already have the
trailer and motor. Of course I would have to give up the open, airy
house and planing ability of the clam skiff!
Cheers, Nels
<swallace@c...> wrote:
> Nelslooked
>
> The Clam skiff is a interesting boat to be sure but while I haven't
> at all the Bolger designs I've looked at a lot and it was withreluctance
> that I looked else where and the Redwing 23 is the one that mostfits the
> bill for what I want , and it looks good too ,Hi David,
>
Have you seen the photos linked to this? You click on the 4th star
down I think it is. A modified Redwing 23 for sale for "only" 67 K
(US)!
http://www.cppyacht.com/cgi-local/boats2.pl?type=power
Also - what may be of interest is the construction website link that
shows the construction of a PUFFIN 28 at the Stambaugh plans site.
This is a much bigger boat but it does show the "rotissere" method of
turning a hull over. Also shows a welded-up cradle for the boat.
Do the plans you have require lofting? And is the construction
sequence similiar to Puffin? Seems it uses a combination of plywood
and cold moulding over bent frames. Not exactly an "instant" boat.
What I might be tempted to do is build a clam skiff for practice and
to have something to use while building a Redwing. If the first mate
thought it was too ugly then she could stay home and work on Redwing
while I went out fishing once in awhile. As Redwing was nearing
completion, I could sell the first boat and would already have the
trailer and motor. Of course I would have to give up the open, airy
house and planing ability of the clam skiff!
Cheers, Nels
Nels
The Clam skiff is a interesting boat to be sure but while I haven't looked
at all the Bolger designs I've looked at a lot and it was with reluctance
that I looked else where and the Redwing 23 is the one that most fits the
bill for what I want , and it looks good too ,
It actually gets my wife's seal of approval , and while she doesn't normally
make up her mind so quick on what she likes she know for dam sure what she
don't like and she likes the Redwing ,
This won't be a rush job , I'll have to take my time and build as I get the
money spare , I'll have to prepare a site to start building first , probably
in front of the workshop , the bays in my workshop are 10' x 25' but that
really isn't enough room for some one my size to work around and the shade
area out front of it is only 20' x10' and that isn't big enough either so
I'll move that up by the double carport and build a bigger shade area to
replace it , I don't really have to worry about rain all that much , it
doesn't rain all that often here but the sun is intense and bloody hot
David Wallace
The Clam skiff is a interesting boat to be sure but while I haven't looked
at all the Bolger designs I've looked at a lot and it was with reluctance
that I looked else where and the Redwing 23 is the one that most fits the
bill for what I want , and it looks good too ,
It actually gets my wife's seal of approval , and while she doesn't normally
make up her mind so quick on what she likes she know for dam sure what she
don't like and she likes the Redwing ,
This won't be a rush job , I'll have to take my time and build as I get the
money spare , I'll have to prepare a site to start building first , probably
in front of the workshop , the bays in my workshop are 10' x 25' but that
really isn't enough room for some one my size to work around and the shade
area out front of it is only 20' x10' and that isn't big enough either so
I'll move that up by the double carport and build a bigger shade area to
replace it , I don't really have to worry about rain all that much , it
doesn't rain all that often here but the sun is intense and bloody hot
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:13 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > I wish I knew how many sheets of ply and how much timber goes into
> it , I'd
> > also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame members
> instead of
> > timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timber
> >
> > David Wallace
> >
> Another alternative - and the one I would consider - if plywood is
> easier to come by is the clam skiff shown in the files at Bolger3.
>
> Also called Work Skiff - the plans call for 14 sheets of 1/2" plywood
> and 2 20 foot 2X6's to build the main hull. Then some extra wood for
> the birdwatcher style cabin.
>
> You may not like the looks but I think it would be a lot easier and
> quicker to build.
>
> There is a least one in Oz.
>
> Season's Greetings, Nels
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bgbeck55" <bgbeck55@y...> wrote:
that there just may be a way that is win/win for everyone. Perhaps
PCB&F conducts his business that way because they cannot see any
viable alternative that is worth the hassle, not to mention the risk.
The mistake - the way I see it - was in allowing others to market
his plans and pay him a royalty for each set sold. A better idea may
be to allow someone to market his plans and claim a commission for
each time a set is sold. This would mean that PCB&F would have the
money in their pocket up front and then pay the commission after.
For example, suppose Duckworks had a link that was something like the
McNaughton site. Any orders placed from the site would go directly to
PCB&F. For every set of plans sold Duckworks would receive a 15%
commission. Study plans would be available on the site in PDF files
for $5 each and would consist in most cases of the MAIB article. The
money from this program would go towards maintaining and expanding
the site. A rewards program could also be included that offered plans
buyers a bonus towards subscriptions to the Duckworks e-mag.
Of course there would also be links to all the books and plans from
Dynamite Payson and others that are relevaent and/or interested.
Not only would this be a great boon to Bolgerados but it would offer
a significant opportunity for a major expansion for Duckworks, and
give Bolger the exposure he deserves
I'm not suggesting that this is possible or even feasible. But
something like it may be doable if the right person saw it as an
opportunity. I mention Duckwords as an example because I believe it
already has established a good solid reputation.
Not only that - but we might be able to have Duckworks, PCB&F,
Instant Boats, and MAIB all under one umbrella and wouldn't that be
something!
Cheers, Nels
> Don't go there Nels. The way Bolger conducts his business isdisparaged
> considered by some to be a holy rite. Something not to be
> by any of us lesser mortals.I realize this is a touchy subject. Yet I can't help but consider
that there just may be a way that is win/win for everyone. Perhaps
PCB&F conducts his business that way because they cannot see any
viable alternative that is worth the hassle, not to mention the risk.
The mistake - the way I see it - was in allowing others to market
his plans and pay him a royalty for each set sold. A better idea may
be to allow someone to market his plans and claim a commission for
each time a set is sold. This would mean that PCB&F would have the
money in their pocket up front and then pay the commission after.
For example, suppose Duckworks had a link that was something like the
McNaughton site. Any orders placed from the site would go directly to
PCB&F. For every set of plans sold Duckworks would receive a 15%
commission. Study plans would be available on the site in PDF files
for $5 each and would consist in most cases of the MAIB article. The
money from this program would go towards maintaining and expanding
the site. A rewards program could also be included that offered plans
buyers a bonus towards subscriptions to the Duckworks e-mag.
Of course there would also be links to all the books and plans from
Dynamite Payson and others that are relevaent and/or interested.
Not only would this be a great boon to Bolgerados but it would offer
a significant opportunity for a major expansion for Duckworks, and
give Bolger the exposure he deserves
I'm not suggesting that this is possible or even feasible. But
something like it may be doable if the right person saw it as an
opportunity. I mention Duckwords as an example because I believe it
already has established a good solid reputation.
Not only that - but we might be able to have Duckworks, PCB&F,
Instant Boats, and MAIB all under one umbrella and wouldn't that be
something!
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
easier to come by is the clam skiff shown in the files at Bolger3.
Also called Work Skiff - the plans call for 14 sheets of 1/2" plywood
and 2 20 foot 2X6's to build the main hull. Then some extra wood for
the birdwatcher style cabin.
You may not like the looks but I think it would be a lot easier and
quicker to build.
There is a least one in Oz.
Season's Greetings, Nels
<swallace@c...> wrote:
> I wish I knew how many sheets of ply and how much timber goes intoit , I'd
> also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame membersinstead of
> timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timberAnother alternative - and the one I would consider - if plywood is
>
> David Wallace
>
easier to come by is the clam skiff shown in the files at Bolger3.
Also called Work Skiff - the plans call for 14 sheets of 1/2" plywood
and 2 20 foot 2X6's to build the main hull. Then some extra wood for
the birdwatcher style cabin.
You may not like the looks but I think it would be a lot easier and
quicker to build.
There is a least one in Oz.
Season's Greetings, Nels
Mark
That may cause me problems then , not un-surmountable though , I'll just
have to order the timber in the sizes I want and go down to Brisbane to pick
it up my self [ had too much timber in the past damaged in transit to let it
come by transport ] the only real hassle is that Brisbane is 1100 km away ,
but it is the closest mill that I trust and most of the others will only
have to order it from Brisbane or around the general area any way
I know of a few people on the Wooden Boat forum
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008074
who are building Redwings at the moment so I suppose I can always ask them
if they have a proper material list that will allow me to price the whole
thing and see just how much real timber goes into the whole thing , as I've
said not really a major hurray at the moment still have several projects to
finish first
Regards
David Wallace
That may cause me problems then , not un-surmountable though , I'll just
have to order the timber in the sizes I want and go down to Brisbane to pick
it up my self [ had too much timber in the past damaged in transit to let it
come by transport ] the only real hassle is that Brisbane is 1100 km away ,
but it is the closest mill that I trust and most of the others will only
have to order it from Brisbane or around the general area any way
I know of a few people on the Wooden Boat forum
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008074
who are building Redwings at the moment so I suppose I can always ask them
if they have a proper material list that will allow me to price the whole
thing and see just how much real timber goes into the whole thing , as I've
said not really a major hurray at the moment still have several projects to
finish first
Regards
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <marka@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 7:01 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans
> That is not a good idea, David, if you're using mechanical fasteners. The
end grain of ply
> has very low holding power. The only way it might work is to tape them in,
but any
> bulkheads will still lack stiffness compared to a framed up job and plain,
ply frames will
> be a little twisty.
>
> Mark
>
> > I'd also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame members
instead of
> > timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timber
> >
> > David Wallace
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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That is not a good idea, David, if you're using mechanical fasteners. The end grain of ply
has very low holding power. The only way it might work is to tape them in, but any
bulkheads will still lack stiffness compared to a framed up job and plain, ply frames will
be a little twisty.
Mark
has very low holding power. The only way it might work is to tape them in, but any
bulkheads will still lack stiffness compared to a framed up job and plain, ply frames will
be a little twisty.
Mark
> I'd also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame members instead of
> timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timber
>
> David Wallace
Hi Steve
Yes, I you are right. I searched and found good pictures
of Redwing 18/Camp Skiff.
from:
http://www.tsca.net/pdf/TABv23-2.pdf
"Ed's interpretation of Karl Stambaugh's version of Chappelle's Camp
Skiff."
"Built by Ed Foster, this is a Chapelle Camp Skiff, LOA: 18-1/2 and
beam:6 feet."
Thanks for correcting me.
Mat
Yes, I you are right. I searched and found good pictures
of Redwing 18/Camp Skiff.
from:
http://www.tsca.net/pdf/TABv23-2.pdf
"Ed's interpretation of Karl Stambaugh's version of Chappelle's Camp
Skiff."
"Built by Ed Foster, this is a Chapelle Camp Skiff, LOA: 18-1/2 and
beam:6 feet."
Thanks for correcting me.
Mat
I believe that Waterman and the Camp Skiff are two different boats.
Waterman has a shallow "V" bottom, and the Camp Skiff (the boat that
inspired Karl Stambaugh's Redwing) is flat-bottomed.
A reprint of the plans for Waterman can be purchased here:
http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_author.htm
I've bought a few of the other designs this fellow offers, and
they're a nice package.
Steve Paskey
Waterman has a shallow "V" bottom, and the Camp Skiff (the boat that
inspired Karl Stambaugh's Redwing) is flat-bottomed.
A reprint of the plans for Waterman can be purchased here:
http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_author.htm
I've bought a few of the other designs this fellow offers, and
they're a nice package.
Steve Paskey
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, cha62759@t... wrote:
> Hi Bruce, I would be most appreciative if you could scan the article
> on the Chappelle article on the "Camp Skiff" or "Waterman"
whichever it is and either post it or send it on to me.
> Bob Chamberland
I never knew about the Redwing until I downloaded the study plan for the 21
, the 23 was a couple of pages on the end , it looks good , the 26 is too
big and heavy for me and my Mitsubishi 4x4 , the jump from 2200 lb to 4800
is just too much considering the distances I have to travel to get it to sea
I wish I knew how many sheets of ply and how much timber goes into it , I'd
also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame members instead of
timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timber
David Wallace
, the 23 was a couple of pages on the end , it looks good , the 26 is too
big and heavy for me and my Mitsubishi 4x4 , the jump from 2200 lb to 4800
is just too much considering the distances I have to travel to get it to sea
I wish I knew how many sheets of ply and how much timber goes into it , I'd
also like to know if I can use plywood for the frame members instead of
timber as where I am good ply is easier to get than good timber
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "mat_man22" <mat_man@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:36 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans
>
> I was going by the Redwing 21 Pilothouse webpage, to
> the left has 'New "V" Hull Version' so Carl must have
> both versions. I do not see a page for the Redwing 23
> but only 26. Chapelle's WATERMAN can be built in plywood
> per "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953).
>
> Mat
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
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I was going by the Redwing 21 Pilothouse webpage, to
the left has 'New "V" Hull Version' so Carl must have
both versions. I do not see a page for the Redwing 23
but only 26. Chapelle's WATERMAN can be built in plywood
per "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953).
Mat
the left has 'New "V" Hull Version' so Carl must have
both versions. I do not see a page for the Redwing 23
but only 26. Chapelle's WATERMAN can be built in plywood
per "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953).
Mat
Hi Bruce, I would be most appreciative if you could scan the article
on the Chappelle article on the "Camp Skiff" or "Waterman" whichever
it is and either post it or send it on to me.
Bob Chamberland
on the Chappelle article on the "Camp Skiff" or "Waterman" whichever
it is and either post it or send it on to me.
Bob Chamberland
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bgbeck55" <bgbeck55@y...> wrote:
> The original Chappelle design that be came "Redwing" is described
> fully in the 13th edition of "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953) pg 87.
> Bruce
I just recently downloaded the study plans for the 21 and the 23 but it
didn't say anything about the V bottom on it [ I may have just missed it ]
although it does on the web site ,, does any one know if the 23' version is
a V bottom too ?
The Redwing series comes closest to any boat so far as to suiting my needs ,
I suppose I'll have to send a email to the designer later on asking some
questions to help me decide but there is no hurry for now as I have to
finish off several other projects first
David Wallace
didn't say anything about the V bottom on it [ I may have just missed it ]
although it does on the web site ,, does any one know if the 23' version is
a V bottom too ?
The Redwing series comes closest to any boat so far as to suiting my needs ,
I suppose I'll have to send a email to the designer later on asking some
questions to help me decide but there is no hurry for now as I have to
finish off several other projects first
David Wallace
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From: "mat_man22" <mat_man@...>
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Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat Plans
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> Hi Bruce
>
> Thanks for pointing this out. I looked this up in my
> "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953). Chapelle uses a slight V
> for his WATERMAN and it looks like a flatbottom for the
> REDWING 18. Carl goes back to the V for the REDWING 21.
>
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Hi Bruce
Thanks for pointing this out. I looked this up in my
"How to Build 20 Boats" (1953). Chapelle uses a slight V
for his WATERMAN and it looks like a flatbottom for the
REDWING 18. Carl goes back to the V for the REDWING 21.
Mat
Thanks for pointing this out. I looked this up in my
"How to Build 20 Boats" (1953). Chapelle uses a slight V
for his WATERMAN and it looks like a flatbottom for the
REDWING 18. Carl goes back to the V for the REDWING 21.
Mat
Don't go there Nels. The way Bolger conducts his business is
considered by some to be a holy rite. Something not to be disparaged
by any of us lesser mortals.
The original Chappelle design that be came "Redwing" is described
fully in the 13th edition of "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953) pg 87.
Bruce
considered by some to be a holy rite. Something not to be disparaged
by any of us lesser mortals.
The original Chappelle design that be came "Redwing" is described
fully in the 13th edition of "How to Build 20 Boats" (1953) pg 87.
Bruce
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "b_owen_ca" <mariner@n...> wrote:
> > I've always had a special fondness for Karl's stuff. Still
smitten
> > when I see Redwing 18 or 21 or 26. You get the point.
> >
> > Is the TS 32 the sort of thing you're looking for, Nels?
>
> Hi Bryant,
>
> The main reason I posted the website was because this idea has
been
> discussed lately and I felt it was a goood example of what could
be
> done to sell plans on the net. Meaning the general layout of the
site
> and offering study plans for immediate download, photos of the
boats
> and variations in rigs and so on.
>
> The descriptions of the designs are not nearly as complete nor in
> depth as what PCB&F publish in MAIB however.
>
> I noticed the TS32 as a comparison to Martha Jane and also Long
Micro
> and the Bolger boats are more practical in my view and the plans
are
> a heck of a lot cheaper.
>
> I have always admired Redwing and felt that the package was a
novel
> way to market it for someone who has never built a boat. They even
> have summer classes in building it.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that a website like that with
all
> the Bolger designs would really get the fires stoked!
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "b_owen_ca" <mariner@n...> wrote:
The main reason I posted the website was because this idea has been
discussed lately and I felt it was a goood example of what could be
done to sell plans on the net. Meaning the general layout of the site
and offering study plans for immediate download, photos of the boats
and variations in rigs and so on.
The descriptions of the designs are not nearly as complete nor in
depth as what PCB&F publish in MAIB however.
I noticed the TS32 as a comparison to Martha Jane and also Long Micro
and the Bolger boats are more practical in my view and the plans are
a heck of a lot cheaper.
I have always admired Redwing and felt that the package was a novel
way to market it for someone who has never built a boat. They even
have summer classes in building it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a website like that with all
the Bolger designs would really get the fires stoked!
Cheers, Nels
> I've always had a special fondness for Karl's stuff. Still smittenHi Bryant,
> when I see Redwing 18 or 21 or 26. You get the point.
>
> Is the TS 32 the sort of thing you're looking for, Nels?
The main reason I posted the website was because this idea has been
discussed lately and I felt it was a goood example of what could be
done to sell plans on the net. Meaning the general layout of the site
and offering study plans for immediate download, photos of the boats
and variations in rigs and so on.
The descriptions of the designs are not nearly as complete nor in
depth as what PCB&F publish in MAIB however.
I noticed the TS32 as a comparison to Martha Jane and also Long Micro
and the Bolger boats are more practical in my view and the plans are
a heck of a lot cheaper.
I have always admired Redwing and felt that the package was a novel
way to market it for someone who has never built a boat. They even
have summer classes in building it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a website like that with all
the Bolger designs would really get the fires stoked!
Cheers, Nels
Hi Nels, If you are looking for bargains....Redwing is based on and
not much changed from the design done by Howard Chapelle. The one
sheet drawing is available from the Smithsonian for cheap.The original
design was discussed in Mike OBriens column in Woodenboat years ago.
Also starred in the first issue of Design Quarterly. A copy of the
drawing from Smithsonian and a copy of Chapelles "Boat Construction"
should be all one needs. I picked up the drawing a long time ago and
lofted a lengthened version adding seveal inches to each station. It
worked out quite nicely but then along came Mr Bolger's Hawkeye.
If I sell my Hawkeye the next motorboat (if any) will be the original
"Camp Cruiser" though maybe stretched some to get full length berths.
The only problem may be adapting the original to plywood construction.
I don't quite understand the mechanics of designing for ply topsides
though I undestand the problem.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
not much changed from the design done by Howard Chapelle. The one
sheet drawing is available from the Smithsonian for cheap.The original
design was discussed in Mike OBriens column in Woodenboat years ago.
Also starred in the first issue of Design Quarterly. A copy of the
drawing from Smithsonian and a copy of Chapelles "Boat Construction"
should be all one needs. I picked up the drawing a long time ago and
lofted a lengthened version adding seveal inches to each station. It
worked out quite nicely but then along came Mr Bolger's Hawkeye.
If I sell my Hawkeye the next motorboat (if any) will be the original
"Camp Cruiser" though maybe stretched some to get full length berths.
The only problem may be adapting the original to plywood construction.
I don't quite understand the mechanics of designing for ply topsides
though I undestand the problem.
Bob Chamberland
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Here is a website that is a good example of a friendly set-up.
>
> One can order study plans directly from the site - in compressed Pdf
> format for most of the designs.
>
> It is also an interesting place to compare design philosphy and
> prices too. Carl is selling an interesting combination on special.
> Plans for his REDWING 18, plus a building manual and a 1/4 size
> precut scale model using the same building techniques, all for $160.
>
> I noticed the TRAILER SAILER 32 which looks a lot like a MARTHA JANE
> but has bilge keels in addition to leeboards and a second cabin in
> the stern. Also has davits to carry the dingy.
>
> The plans are $850 and the "hull kit" something like $14,000 which
> only includes all the plywood parts pre-cut to size with the stitch
> holes drilled. To complete the boat will cost about the same amount
> again - plus the sails, and motor.
>
> Many of his small sail boats have centerboards dividing the cabin in
> half and the masts are not free standing. They seem a lot heavier
> than comparable Bolger boats.
>
> Like I say, some interesting comparisons. A nice layout for a site
> except there is no "home" button that I could find.
>
>http://www.cmdboats.com/index.htm
>
> Cheers, Nels
I've always had a special fondness for Karl's stuff. Still smitten
when I see Redwing 18 or 21 or 26. You get the point.
Not sure why the Trailer Sailer 32 is that much $$ when the Trailer
Sailer 24 is only $160 and even the other boats in the same length
are cheaper (Coastal Passage $680 and Redwing 34 $750).
Is the TS 32 the sort of thing you're looking for, Nels?
Bryant
when I see Redwing 18 or 21 or 26. You get the point.
Not sure why the Trailer Sailer 32 is that much $$ when the Trailer
Sailer 24 is only $160 and even the other boats in the same length
are cheaper (Coastal Passage $680 and Redwing 34 $750).
Is the TS 32 the sort of thing you're looking for, Nels?
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Here is a website that is a good example of a friendly set-up.
>
> One can order study plans directly from the site - in compressed
> format for most of the designs.
>
> It is also an interesting place to compare design philosphy and
> prices too. Carl is selling an interesting combination on special.
> Plans for his REDWING 18, plus a building manual and a 1/4 size
> precut scale model using the same building techniques, all for $160.
>
> I noticed the TRAILER SAILER 32 which looks a lot like a MARTHA
JANE
> but has bilge keels in addition to leeboards and a second cabin in
> the stern. Also has davits to carry the dingy.
>
> The plans are $850 and the "hull kit" something like $14,000 which
> only includes all the plywood parts pre-cut to size with the stitch
> holes drilled. To complete the boat will cost about the same amount
> again - plus the sails, and motor.
>
> Many of his small sail boats have centerboards dividing the cabin
in
> half and the masts are not free standing. They seem a lot heavier
> than comparable Bolger boats.
>
> Like I say, some interesting comparisons. A nice layout for a site
> except there is no "home" button that I could find.
>
>http://www.cmdboats.com/index.htm
>
> Cheers, Nels
Here is a website that is a good example of a friendly set-up.
One can order study plans directly from the site - in compressed Pdf
format for most of the designs.
It is also an interesting place to compare design philosphy and
prices too. Carl is selling an interesting combination on special.
Plans for his REDWING 18, plus a building manual and a 1/4 size
precut scale model using the same building techniques, all for $160.
I noticed the TRAILER SAILER 32 which looks a lot like a MARTHA JANE
but has bilge keels in addition to leeboards and a second cabin in
the stern. Also has davits to carry the dingy.
The plans are $850 and the "hull kit" something like $14,000 which
only includes all the plywood parts pre-cut to size with the stitch
holes drilled. To complete the boat will cost about the same amount
again - plus the sails, and motor.
Many of his small sail boats have centerboards dividing the cabin in
half and the masts are not free standing. They seem a lot heavier
than comparable Bolger boats.
Like I say, some interesting comparisons. A nice layout for a site
except there is no "home" button that I could find.
http://www.cmdboats.com/index.htm
Cheers, Nels
One can order study plans directly from the site - in compressed Pdf
format for most of the designs.
It is also an interesting place to compare design philosphy and
prices too. Carl is selling an interesting combination on special.
Plans for his REDWING 18, plus a building manual and a 1/4 size
precut scale model using the same building techniques, all for $160.
I noticed the TRAILER SAILER 32 which looks a lot like a MARTHA JANE
but has bilge keels in addition to leeboards and a second cabin in
the stern. Also has davits to carry the dingy.
The plans are $850 and the "hull kit" something like $14,000 which
only includes all the plywood parts pre-cut to size with the stitch
holes drilled. To complete the boat will cost about the same amount
again - plus the sails, and motor.
Many of his small sail boats have centerboards dividing the cabin in
half and the masts are not free standing. They seem a lot heavier
than comparable Bolger boats.
Like I say, some interesting comparisons. A nice layout for a site
except there is no "home" button that I could find.
http://www.cmdboats.com/index.htm
Cheers, Nels