RE: [bolger] Sagging gaff

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From: Derek Waters [mailto:dgw@...]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:30
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Sagging gaff
......To 'foot well' is, I believe, to 'make good speed......
cheers
Derek


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v. foot·ed, foot·ing, foots
v. intr.
1.. To go on foot; walk. Often used with it: When their car broke down,
they had to foot it the rest of the way.
2.. To dance. Often used with it: "We foot it all the night/weaving olden
dances" (William Butler Yeats).
3.. Nautical. To make headway; sail.
To 'foot well' is, I believe, to 'make good speed on the chosen course'

...or so I've always read it. You can substitute the phrase and have the
text make sense; a useful test, although by no means infallible :)

cheers
Derek
>the sagging gaff causes massive twist in the sail, so the angle of attack
>is nowhere near correct except on one small portion of the sail, instead
>of across most of it as is should be.

Well, the sagging gaff also ruins whatever shape is in the sail as well as
allowing twist.

This can be fixed with correct attention to the gaff halyards; a nice light
gaff (carbon perhaps?), and/or a peak vang. See the Cheap Pages excerpts
from Conor O'Brien's writings for his take on gaff or sprit vangs.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
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Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
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And if you don't license the sucker, you won't pay sales tax either!

Licensing small boats is only required in Canada if the motor is 10
horsepower or more. The first time I sailed from Vancouver Island in
Canada to Washington State, US Customs made up a number for the boat,
and on my return, Canadian Customs used the same one. So I'm "in the
system" without the hassle of licensing or painting numbers on the
hull.

Jamie Orr

> Wow, talk about Land of the Free!
>
> Paint a number like 17D36274 or some such random number on it and
> hang a Canadian Flag on it. I'll bet the Californian county clerk
> can't tax a forign country's craft. Say it belong's to a Canadian
> friend who's supposed to pick it up again soon.
>
> All Canadian numbers have two digits, the a letter (D is Quebec, E
is
> Ontario, F is Manitoba, etc) then 5 more numbers.
>
> Up here in the frozen north there are no annual taxes or license
> fees. Just a dab of sales tax when you buy or sell. Probably
because
> with our horrendously short boating season, the government doesn't
> think they can get away with any.
>
> Now don't go giving our politicos any ideas now, y'hear!
>
> Or I'll be painting Albanian registy numbers on mine.
>
> Tax Revoltin' Bos'un Bruce
> Here In california the county clerk and assessor told me I get
taxed
> every year and if the boat was home built and not in the blue book
it
> is assessed by foot OF A SIMILAR BOAT IN THIER BLUE BOOK,
regardless
> of worth or what it was paid for when bought from the builder.
Whata
> scam. Here in california anything over 8 ' with a sail needs to be
> registered. I sent letters and photo's and bill of sale and after
> four months of waiting called today to find out the bad news.
>
> Todd

Wow, talk about Land of the Free!

Paint a number like 17D36274 or some such random number on it and
hang a Canadian Flag on it. I'll bet the Californian county clerk
can't tax a forign country's craft. Say it belong's to a Canadian
friend who's supposed to pick it up again soon.

All Canadian numbers have two digits, the a letter (D is Quebec, E is
Ontario, F is Manitoba, etc) then 5 more numbers.

Up here in the frozen north there are no annual taxes or license
fees. Just a dab of sales tax when you buy or sell. Probably because
with our horrendously short boating season, the government doesn't
think they can get away with any.

Now don't go giving our politicos any ideas now, y'hear!

Or I'll be painting Albanian registy numbers on mine.

Tax Revoltin' Bos'un Bruce
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> > Whats the sense of building your own if your going to be taxed as
> if
> > you bought a high priced production boat year after year!!!!!!
> >
> > Todd
>
>
> Todd,
> Where in the world do you live that the "taxman" taxes your
> boat"year after year"?
> The method I've used to keep the tax dogs away is to keep ALL
my
> receipts. It has happened twice to me where,after getting a boat
> registered,a letter from the tax dept. has arrived inquiring about
> the name of the boat dealer where I bought the boaght and whether
or
> not I paid tax on it. A simple letter back to them explaining that
it
> is a self built boat with a few pages of photocopied receipts
> demonstrating that I've already paid my fair share of taxes has
> gotten them off my back.
> Similarily,whenever I've bought a used car or anything else
used
> that needs some kind of government "money grab",I always get the
> buyer to sign a short note stating that the car etc... was sold for
> $100.00 and then get a friendly lawyers letter stamped to that
effect.
> This way,regardless of what the blackbook,bluebook,redbook etc
value
> of your purchase,"they" can only tax you one what you have
aledgedly
> paid.
> > Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan


Here In california the county clerk and assessor told me I get taxed
every year and if the boat was home built and not in the blue book it
is assessed by foot OF A SIMILAR BOAT IN THIER BLUE BOOK, regardless
of worth or what it was paid for when bought from the builder. Whata
scam. Here in california anything over 8 ' with a sail needs to be
registered. I sent letters and photo's and bill of sale and after
four months of waiting called today to find out the bad news.

Todd
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Spelling" <richard@c...>
wrote:
> I think, from the prices these things sometimes sell for, it could
be argued that they are worth LESS than the material that goes
> into them. The tax people should be PAYING us!

Prices, costs and what something is worth vs. what you can get for it
all vary widely.

Tell your taxman that I paid $650 for a completed Micro, and that was
on a legal and licensed trailler.

On the other hand, I told customs that it was a scrap boat that I
paid $100 for the parts to finish mine.

Depends on your point of view.

Bos'un Bruce
"footing," "sailing deep," "driving off," "cracking off," "powering up," "putting the bow down," or "sailing full and by."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [bolger] Sagging gaff


> A repeated statment in PB&F book
> 103 Sailing Rigs, for nearly all
> the 'square sails' is:
>
> "If the peak sags, the sail will
> go out of shape and the boat won't
> point or foot well close-hauled'.
> .........^^^^
>
> My question is: What does the phrase
> "foot well" mean in this context?
> ...and why does a sagging gaff cause
> this problem?
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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"foot" in this instance means to bear off slightly, increasing your angle of attack, and the drive from your sail.

the sagging gaff causes massive twist in the sail, so the angle of attack is nowhere near correct except on one small portion of the
sail, instead of across most of it as is should be.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [bolger] Sagging gaff


> A repeated statment in PB&F book
> 103 Sailing Rigs, for nearly all
> the 'square sails' is:
>
> "If the peak sags, the sail will
> go out of shape and the boat won't
> point or foot well close-hauled'.
> .........^^^^
>
> My question is: What does the phrase
> "foot well" mean in this context?
> ...and why does a sagging gaff cause
> this problem?
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
>
A repeated statment in PB&F book
103 Sailing Rigs, for nearly all
the 'square sails' is:

"If the peak sags, the sail will
go out of shape and the boat won't
point or foot well close-hauled'.
.........^^^^

My question is: What does the phrase
"foot well" mean in this context?
...and why does a sagging gaff cause
this problem?
I think, from the prices these things sometimes sell for, it could be argued that they are worth LESS than the material that goes
into them. The tax people should be PAYING us!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd" <ktsrfer@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: [bolger] Tax men who know their boats


> The tax man assessed the value of my home built 12' mayfly with the
> same value as a 12' fiberglass production sail boat 5,500$ Even
> though the building materials do not even add up to 1/10 of the
> cost.Gave the same value assessment for my micro as well 5,500$. Its
> a great compliment I guess. But because you can turn cheap ply would
> using inexspensive construcion glue a few dry wall screws and a duct
> taped poly sail into something resembling a nice looking sail boat.
> You must pay what others have payed to have there boat built
> profesionally. Just doesn't seem right. Any good advice?
>
> Whats the sense of building your own if your going to be taxed as if
> you bought a high priced production boat year after year!!!!!!
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <ktsrfer@m...> wrote:
> The tax man assessed the value of my home built 12' mayfly with the
> same value as a 12' fiberglass production sail boat 5,500But
because you can turn cheap ply would
> using inexspensive construcion glue a few dry wall screws and a
duct
> taped poly sail into something resembling a nice looking sail boat.
> You must pay what others have payed to have there boat built
> profesionally. Just doesn't seem right. Any good advice?
>
> Whats the sense of building your own if your going to be taxed as
if
> you bought a high priced production boat year after year!!!!!!
>
> Todd


Todd,
Where in the world do you live that the "taxman" taxes your
boat"year after year"?
The method I've used to keep the tax dogs away is to keep ALL my
receipts. It has happened twice to me where,after getting a boat
registered,a letter from the tax dept. has arrived inquiring about
the name of the boat dealer where I bought the boaght and whether or
not I paid tax on it. A simple letter back to them explaining that it
is a self built boat with a few pages of photocopied receipts
demonstrating that I've already paid my fair share of taxes has
gotten them off my back.
Similarily,whenever I've bought a used car or anything else used
that needs some kind of government "money grab",I always get the
buyer to sign a short note stating that the car etc... was sold for
$100.00 and then get a friendly lawyers letter stamped to that effect.
This way,regardless of what the blackbook,bluebook,redbook etc value
of your purchase,"they" can only tax you one what you have aledgedly
paid.
And finally,if you can find a professional boat yard to build a
MICRO for $5000.00 make every attempt to become very friendly with
them! My MICRO cost me $6000.00 CAN. to build in 1993 and when I had
to get a professional estimate for the same boat,for insurance
purposes due to a film production the boat was used in, I had a quote
of $40.000.00 CAN.!

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan
The tax man assessed the value of my home built 12' mayfly with the
same value as a 12' fiberglass production sail boat 5,500$ Even
though the building materials do not even add up to 1/10 of the
cost.Gave the same value assessment for my micro as well 5,500$. Its
a great compliment I guess. But because you can turn cheap ply would
using inexspensive construcion glue a few dry wall screws and a duct
taped poly sail into something resembling a nice looking sail boat.
You must pay what others have payed to have there boat built
profesionally. Just doesn't seem right. Any good advice?

Whats the sense of building your own if your going to be taxed as if
you bought a high priced production boat year after year!!!!!!

Todd