Re: Bow Shed pictures.......Phase I(greenhouse plastic)
Hi
I, at first, tried to build a "bow" framed structure; but found that
the wood strips that I was able to get at reasonable cost were not
good enough. In addition the one frame that I actually built did not
seem sturdy enough.The pieces of 2x4 spacers were nailed on and they
seemed to slide relative to the interior and exterior strips.
So I built a "scissor" truss structure.(plans from Mother Earth IIRC)
As to the plastic; I had to divide the roof area into roughly square
areas (about 12x12) and use 2x4s to build frames. attach plastic to
the frame with battens, and then slide the frames up over the the
side
rails (which were about 7 feet above ground level) until the top edge
reached the peak. Same on each side.
Worked ok.
It gets really hot up near the roof in the summer; even though each
end had double doors (each about 7 high by 10 wide. total opening
20x7)
Many thanks for all your excellant posts giving us the details of
your
building endeavor.
I, at first, tried to build a "bow" framed structure; but found that
the wood strips that I was able to get at reasonable cost were not
good enough. In addition the one frame that I actually built did not
seem sturdy enough.The pieces of 2x4 spacers were nailed on and they
seemed to slide relative to the interior and exterior strips.
So I built a "scissor" truss structure.(plans from Mother Earth IIRC)
As to the plastic; I had to divide the roof area into roughly square
areas (about 12x12) and use 2x4s to build frames. attach plastic to
the frame with battens, and then slide the frames up over the the
side
rails (which were about 7 feet above ground level) until the top edge
reached the peak. Same on each side.
Worked ok.
It gets really hot up near the roof in the summer; even though each
end had double doors (each about 7 high by 10 wide. total opening
20x7)
Many thanks for all your excellant posts giving us the details of
your
building endeavor.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "senorian" <senorian@h...> wrote:
> > Hi
> > I once tried to pull a 6 mil plastic sheet over a 50x20 foot
> > "greenhouse" boat shed. Couldn't do it. There was always a slight
> > breeze.
> > Good luck
>
> Thanks for the warning "Senorian",.....I'll make sure I round up a
> few of my crazy friends with the promise of a lunch to help me just
> in case I get blown away out onto the St.Lawrence.:-)
> How did you eventually get your greenhouse plastic on? Any
> tips,tricks or just good old sound advice would be most
> welcomed,especially since I don't want to appear totally lost when
> the gang shows up to install the plastic :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,with visions of flying off the ground and upon
landing
> uttering the words,"Gee Toto,this doesn't look like Kansas at
> all!",from along the shores of the rainy(!?)St.Lawrence...........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "senorian" <senorian@h...> wrote:
few of my crazy friends with the promise of a lunch to help me just
in case I get blown away out onto the St.Lawrence.:-)
How did you eventually get your greenhouse plastic on? Any
tips,tricks or just good old sound advice would be most
welcomed,especially since I don't want to appear totally lost when
the gang shows up to install the plastic :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,with visions of flying off the ground and upon landing
uttering the words,"Gee Toto,this doesn't look like Kansas at
all!",from along the shores of the rainy(!?)St.Lawrence...........
> HiThanks for the warning "Senorian",.....I'll make sure I round up a
> I once tried to pull a 6 mil plastic sheet over a 50x20 foot
> "greenhouse" boat shed. Couldn't do it. There was always a slight
> breeze.
> Good luck
few of my crazy friends with the promise of a lunch to help me just
in case I get blown away out onto the St.Lawrence.:-)
How did you eventually get your greenhouse plastic on? Any
tips,tricks or just good old sound advice would be most
welcomed,especially since I don't want to appear totally lost when
the gang shows up to install the plastic :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,with visions of flying off the ground and upon landing
uttering the words,"Gee Toto,this doesn't look like Kansas at
all!",from along the shores of the rainy(!?)St.Lawrence...........
". I'm lucky to be building in an area that is
rather windy everyday"
Hi
I once tried to pull a 6 mil plastic sheet over a 50x20 foot
"greenhouse" boat shed. Couldn't do it. There was always a slight
breeze.
Good luck
rather windy everyday"
Hi
I once tried to pull a 6 mil plastic sheet over a 50x20 foot
"greenhouse" boat shed. Couldn't do it. There was always a slight
breeze.
Good luck
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
> > I am looking at the Pilgrim for a boat to sail or motor to Mexico
> for
> > the winter months. Or a big Bolger design but I really liked the
> > Illinois if it had been meant for cruising. > I think the bow
roof
> shed is a super boat building enclosure. The
> > idea of building a small wall to put under the bows is a great
idea
> > also. I will tell all of you out there that you must check your
> > local building codes before you build> One thing you must make
> plans for is making an open-able hole in the
> > upper part of the shed for hot air. In the summer the heat can
> rise
> > inside a bow roof shed to 40 degrees higher than the outside air.
> > That can make epoxy cure much too fast to use. Just something to
> > think about because it can cause huge problems.
> > One fan at the peak of the roof at both ends can fix the problem.
> > Take care and your boat is starting to look very good.
> >
> > John Cupp
>
>
>
> Hi John,
> Thanks for the nice note! It is very encouraging to hear about
> the temperature differential possible with these structures. I plan
> on having a double layer of poly on mine(one outside the bows and
one
> lining the inside surface of the bows). Some greenhouse owners up
> here tell me that I should have no problem getting temps in the mid-
> teens when it is -10 C. outside if I go with the double poly.Mind
> you, this will only be possible on bright sunny days :-)
> A few too have mentioned the need for installing some king of
> trap door at either end of the peaks to allow some of the summer
heat
> out.To further assist in keeping this structure cooler in summer,I
> plan on removing the covering from along the foundation wall to
creat
> a wonderful breezeway. I'm lucky to be building in an area that is
> rather windy everyday,except when Bruce Hector shows up :-), so
> cooling is a given.
> Your proposed set-up with the ferro-cement sounds really
> permanent and bullet proof! I guess your biggest concern will be
> getting good lighting inside. Building codes,are of
course,something
> to always consider........that's why I'm at a boat yard in the
> boonies :-)
> George Beuhlers Pilgrim design(s) are very neat motor boats
and
> I particularly like their overall economy in fuel consumption.
Bolgers
> Illinois is HUGE regardless of how you use it and makes think of
some
> of Beuhlers bigger Diesel Duck designs. I suppose,in the end, it
all
> depends on each of our own cruising styles and just how much we
want
> to either keep things simple/basic/cheap or nice/tricky/luxurious
and
> very dear.
> To guard against the obvious allure of really big boats, I
chose
> to follow the path of "small is beautiful" for most of my boating
> life and,having coped(endured?) with ridiculously small spaces for
so
> long while trying to capture some of the big boat comforts,I really
> believe that my next boat(Windermere) will represent nothing short
of
> palacial grandeur just oozing with comforts unkown :-) Or,put to
> other words,no more back aches from slooching all the time,no more
> knocking off the corners of my hard head against low deck beams,no
> more meal preparations done in the bedroom/livingroom/storage
> area/cockpit,no more furtive hide-n-seek games with the "bucket"
just
> trying to maintain a civilized level of comfort and privacy while
> purusing ones favorite bit of reading material while firmly seated
on
> the throne,no more craziness with a bucket of warm water,a sponge
and
> some soap just to freshen up before evening sundowners,no more
heated
> debates with Pesky Crew over the potential nutrient value of
> mayflies in the fresh salad,no more wondering where the hell all
that
> rain water is coming from INSIDE that spanking new expensive
rainsuit
> you are wearing while motoring home in the rain,no more rude
> awakenings from cold dropletes of condensation falling everywhere
> inside the cabin on cold nights,no more aching bums and sore
> knees..........no,none of it ever again! After 27 years of putting
up
> with all of this and so much more(did I mention an impatient and
> delicate crew member?), I think I have paid my dues in the
minimalist
> club of small boat cruising and long for blessed comforts.
> Windermere is my personal ticket to paradise and,despite everything
> else,is still a relatively small boat for all of her length!
> I hope your final choice of boat will be all that you hope for
too
> John and I wish you great fun and success with her building. And
> yes,you must post some pictures of your ferro-cement bowshed when
she
> is done :-)
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,wondering just how long he can wait before he begins
> his Christmas shopping foolishness,from along the shores of the now
> mild and freezing rain coated shores of the mighty
> St.Lawrence........
--- Peter Lenihan wrote:
incarnation on the path of
Life behind Peter.
Micro Navigator embodies the
"small is beautiful" principle
of small boat pocket crusing.
Though, with Micro Navigator,
small doesn't mean simple!
I spent Saturday and Monday
rigging and re-rigging the
dozens(!) of blocks & sheaves
on her. [Plus, some head
scratching time in the moaning
chair.]
I raised the main mast for the
first time too! That is a
milestone, I'll tell ya. The
neighbors were all a buzz, a
20 foot mast on a 15'6" boat
is quite a sight!
I am waiting for some good
non-rainy daylight to take a
photo to share.
> the path of "small is beautiful"Well, it seems like I am one
> ...Windermere...
> I think I have paid my dues
> in the minimalist
> club of small boat cruising
incarnation on the path of
Life behind Peter.
Micro Navigator embodies the
"small is beautiful" principle
of small boat pocket crusing.
Though, with Micro Navigator,
small doesn't mean simple!
I spent Saturday and Monday
rigging and re-rigging the
dozens(!) of blocks & sheaves
on her. [Plus, some head
scratching time in the moaning
chair.]
I raised the main mast for the
first time too! That is a
milestone, I'll tell ya. The
neighbors were all a buzz, a
20 foot mast on a 15'6" boat
is quite a sight!
I am waiting for some good
non-rainy daylight to take a
photo to share.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Cupp" <john@k...> wrote:
Thanks for the nice note! It is very encouraging to hear about
the temperature differential possible with these structures. I plan
on having a double layer of poly on mine(one outside the bows and one
lining the inside surface of the bows). Some greenhouse owners up
here tell me that I should have no problem getting temps in the mid-
teens when it is -10 C. outside if I go with the double poly.Mind
you, this will only be possible on bright sunny days :-)
A few too have mentioned the need for installing some king of
trap door at either end of the peaks to allow some of the summer heat
out.To further assist in keeping this structure cooler in summer,I
plan on removing the covering from along the foundation wall to creat
a wonderful breezeway. I'm lucky to be building in an area that is
rather windy everyday,except when Bruce Hector shows up :-), so
cooling is a given.
Your proposed set-up with the ferro-cement sounds really
permanent and bullet proof! I guess your biggest concern will be
getting good lighting inside. Building codes,are of course,something
to always consider........that's why I'm at a boat yard in the
boonies :-)
George Beuhlers Pilgrim design(s) are very neat motor boats and
I particularly like their overall economy in fuel consumption.Bolgers
Illinois is HUGE regardless of how you use it and makes think of some
of Beuhlers bigger Diesel Duck designs. I suppose,in the end, it all
depends on each of our own cruising styles and just how much we want
to either keep things simple/basic/cheap or nice/tricky/luxurious and
very dear.
To guard against the obvious allure of really big boats, I chose
to follow the path of "small is beautiful" for most of my boating
life and,having coped(endured?) with ridiculously small spaces for so
long while trying to capture some of the big boat comforts,I really
believe that my next boat(Windermere) will represent nothing short of
palacial grandeur just oozing with comforts unkown :-) Or,put to
other words,no more back aches from slooching all the time,no more
knocking off the corners of my hard head against low deck beams,no
more meal preparations done in the bedroom/livingroom/storage
area/cockpit,no more furtive hide-n-seek games with the "bucket" just
trying to maintain a civilized level of comfort and privacy while
purusing ones favorite bit of reading material while firmly seated on
the throne,no more craziness with a bucket of warm water,a sponge and
some soap just to freshen up before evening sundowners,no more heated
debates with Pesky Crew over the potential nutrient value of
mayflies in the fresh salad,no more wondering where the hell all that
rain water is coming from INSIDE that spanking new expensive rainsuit
you are wearing while motoring home in the rain,no more rude
awakenings from cold dropletes of condensation falling everywhere
inside the cabin on cold nights,no more aching bums and sore
knees..........no,none of it ever again! After 27 years of putting up
with all of this and so much more(did I mention an impatient and
delicate crew member?), I think I have paid my dues in the minimalist
club of small boat cruising and long for blessed comforts.
Windermere is my personal ticket to paradise and,despite everything
else,is still a relatively small boat for all of her length!
I hope your final choice of boat will be all that you hope for too
John and I wish you great fun and success with her building. And
yes,you must post some pictures of your ferro-cement bowshed when she
is done :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wondering just how long he can wait before he begins
his Christmas shopping foolishness,from along the shores of the now
mild and freezing rain coated shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence........
> I am looking at the Pilgrim for a boat to sail or motor to Mexicofor
> the winter months. Or a big Bolger design but I really liked theshed is a super boat building enclosure. The
> Illinois if it had been meant for cruising. > I think the bow roof
> idea of building a small wall to put under the bows is a great ideaplans for is making an open-able hole in the
> also. I will tell all of you out there that you must check your
> local building codes before you build> One thing you must make
> upper part of the shed for hot air. In the summer the heat canrise
> inside a bow roof shed to 40 degrees higher than the outside air.Hi John,
> That can make epoxy cure much too fast to use. Just something to
> think about because it can cause huge problems.
> One fan at the peak of the roof at both ends can fix the problem.
> Take care and your boat is starting to look very good.
>
> John Cupp
Thanks for the nice note! It is very encouraging to hear about
the temperature differential possible with these structures. I plan
on having a double layer of poly on mine(one outside the bows and one
lining the inside surface of the bows). Some greenhouse owners up
here tell me that I should have no problem getting temps in the mid-
teens when it is -10 C. outside if I go with the double poly.Mind
you, this will only be possible on bright sunny days :-)
A few too have mentioned the need for installing some king of
trap door at either end of the peaks to allow some of the summer heat
out.To further assist in keeping this structure cooler in summer,I
plan on removing the covering from along the foundation wall to creat
a wonderful breezeway. I'm lucky to be building in an area that is
rather windy everyday,except when Bruce Hector shows up :-), so
cooling is a given.
Your proposed set-up with the ferro-cement sounds really
permanent and bullet proof! I guess your biggest concern will be
getting good lighting inside. Building codes,are of course,something
to always consider........that's why I'm at a boat yard in the
boonies :-)
George Beuhlers Pilgrim design(s) are very neat motor boats and
I particularly like their overall economy in fuel consumption.Bolgers
Illinois is HUGE regardless of how you use it and makes think of some
of Beuhlers bigger Diesel Duck designs. I suppose,in the end, it all
depends on each of our own cruising styles and just how much we want
to either keep things simple/basic/cheap or nice/tricky/luxurious and
very dear.
To guard against the obvious allure of really big boats, I chose
to follow the path of "small is beautiful" for most of my boating
life and,having coped(endured?) with ridiculously small spaces for so
long while trying to capture some of the big boat comforts,I really
believe that my next boat(Windermere) will represent nothing short of
palacial grandeur just oozing with comforts unkown :-) Or,put to
other words,no more back aches from slooching all the time,no more
knocking off the corners of my hard head against low deck beams,no
more meal preparations done in the bedroom/livingroom/storage
area/cockpit,no more furtive hide-n-seek games with the "bucket" just
trying to maintain a civilized level of comfort and privacy while
purusing ones favorite bit of reading material while firmly seated on
the throne,no more craziness with a bucket of warm water,a sponge and
some soap just to freshen up before evening sundowners,no more heated
debates with Pesky Crew over the potential nutrient value of
mayflies in the fresh salad,no more wondering where the hell all that
rain water is coming from INSIDE that spanking new expensive rainsuit
you are wearing while motoring home in the rain,no more rude
awakenings from cold dropletes of condensation falling everywhere
inside the cabin on cold nights,no more aching bums and sore
knees..........no,none of it ever again! After 27 years of putting up
with all of this and so much more(did I mention an impatient and
delicate crew member?), I think I have paid my dues in the minimalist
club of small boat cruising and long for blessed comforts.
Windermere is my personal ticket to paradise and,despite everything
else,is still a relatively small boat for all of her length!
I hope your final choice of boat will be all that you hope for too
John and I wish you great fun and success with her building. And
yes,you must post some pictures of your ferro-cement bowshed when she
is done :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,wondering just how long he can wait before he begins
his Christmas shopping foolishness,from along the shores of the now
mild and freezing rain coated shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence........
Great pictures Peter,
I have been waiting till spring to build my shed. I am putting it
parallel to my back alley so I can pull the boat out easily. I plan
on coating the outside in Ferro-cement. I have seen all of these in
plastic but they have no security for tools. The cost per sq ft is
still much less than even a pole barn using the Ferro-cement. I plan
on making it 30 feet wide. I have talked to Dave Stimson and he said
you just have to use bigger material for the bows. Since the shed is
as wide as it is tall I can have a second story for supplies and a
reinforced section with an overhead hoist so I can pick up motors to
put them in the boats.
I am looking at the Pilgrim for a boat to sail or motor to Mexico for
the winter months. Or a big Bolger design but I really liked the
Illinois if it had been meant for cruising. I have been doing tool
reviews for Duckworks and MAIB. My first article should be out in
MAIB in the next issue. I have been writing for boat builders like
the Bolgeristas here. I have loved building and sailing boats from a
small child and now I am giving something back.
I think the bow roof shed is a super boat building enclosure. The
idea of building a small wall to put under the bows is a great idea
also. I will tell all of you out there that you must check your
local building codes before you build. I wanted a bow roof structure
for my wife's car and my pickup in our front yard but my building
code limit's the height of structures in the front yard (garages) too
14' in height. I wanted a twenty-foot wide shed there.
One thing you must make plans for is making an open-able hole in the
upper part of the shed for hot air. In the summer the heat can rise
inside a bow roof shed to 40 degrees higher than the outside air.
That can make epoxy cure much too fast to use. Just something to
think about because it can cause huge problems.
One fan at the peak of the roof at both ends can fix the problem.
Take care and your boat is starting to look very good.
John Cupp
I have been waiting till spring to build my shed. I am putting it
parallel to my back alley so I can pull the boat out easily. I plan
on coating the outside in Ferro-cement. I have seen all of these in
plastic but they have no security for tools. The cost per sq ft is
still much less than even a pole barn using the Ferro-cement. I plan
on making it 30 feet wide. I have talked to Dave Stimson and he said
you just have to use bigger material for the bows. Since the shed is
as wide as it is tall I can have a second story for supplies and a
reinforced section with an overhead hoist so I can pick up motors to
put them in the boats.
I am looking at the Pilgrim for a boat to sail or motor to Mexico for
the winter months. Or a big Bolger design but I really liked the
Illinois if it had been meant for cruising. I have been doing tool
reviews for Duckworks and MAIB. My first article should be out in
MAIB in the next issue. I have been writing for boat builders like
the Bolgeristas here. I have loved building and sailing boats from a
small child and now I am giving something back.
I think the bow roof shed is a super boat building enclosure. The
idea of building a small wall to put under the bows is a great idea
also. I will tell all of you out there that you must check your
local building codes before you build. I wanted a bow roof structure
for my wife's car and my pickup in our front yard but my building
code limit's the height of structures in the front yard (garages) too
14' in height. I wanted a twenty-foot wide shed there.
One thing you must make plans for is making an open-able hole in the
upper part of the shed for hot air. In the summer the heat can rise
inside a bow roof shed to 40 degrees higher than the outside air.
That can make epoxy cure much too fast to use. Just something to
think about because it can cause huge problems.
One fan at the peak of the roof at both ends can fix the problem.
Take care and your boat is starting to look very good.
John Cupp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> Bolgerados,
> Well,now that winter has made its grand entrance upon my
> all-out-doors-all-the-time boat yard, I finally got my pictures
> developed.
> The entire process went very smoothly considering the
> bitter cold winds coming off the St.Lawrence Seaway and the fact
> that I was working alone.Had there been just one extra pair of
hands
> I could've beaten the snow. Mind you, had I been wiser and
possessed
> of more then 2 fully functional neurons, I would have built this
> structure months ago and enjoyed better out door working
> conditions :-)
>
> The sequence of photos shows the basic bow shed
> structure or what I refer to as Phase I. Next is going to be a
> rectangular structure measuring 14' wide,40' long and 4' high onto
> which the bow shed will be mounted to allow me 16' on vertical
> clearance.
>
> I am still marvelling over how very easy this bow shed
> structure was to build and would highly recommend/encourage any
> other out-door builders to consider building one too as it will
save
> alot of lost days from rain,snow and other outdoor nasties which
> usually keep us from building. Of course, if you happen to be one
of
> those lucky chaps who live in a climate which has annual
> precipitation measured in scant fractions of an inch and a
> themometer which never can't even register anything bellow 50 F.,
> then this may not apply to you and I wish you....aaaaa..err....a
> million snow flakes :-D
>
> Once the holiday craziness is over,I'll begin Phase II
> which should go much quicker since;A) it is a straight
> forward "short wall" framing project,B) I've bought a large soup
> thermos for lunch breaks and, C) I've grown acclimatized already to
> the arctic conditions. In the mean time,it is a question of
> gathering up enough carpet scraps to lay over the outside framing
> stock of the bow shed to give some chafe protection for the 6mil
> poly.
>
> I can't wait until the whole works is done and
> finished....it is very very exciting just knowing that the
> fickleness of weather conditions will soon mean very little to me
> and that I'll soon be making saw dust out along the ice covered
> Seaway Yipppeeee!!!!
>
> Here's the link to the file section over on Bolger3:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,not exactly in the blues but humming a little tune
> nevertheless.........
> "well the snows they finally came
> while I was lookin' the other way
> and now I've gone an' caught me
> a case of the blues
> got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
> I got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
> With Pesky on the one hand and the job on the other
> if I don't cut some wood soon
> I'm gonna call me mother!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Spoering" <spoering@e...> wrote:
you plan on getting the Bow section up on top
Hi John,
Glad to hear that you are inspired or encouraged by some of
my craziness up North:-) Having the chance to build a boat in your
very own backyard is a luxury not to mention great for the budget.
I'm about a 45 minite drive away from my boat site and there is a
monthly rent to cover on top of that..........
The 4' high"foundation" ,which is next on the building
agenda, will be built right beside the upturned bottom. Once this is
completed,the Verchere Gang will pay a Saturday visit and we will
hoist the Bowshed up onto it.This is why I have yet to close in the
ends of the bowshed since it will have to be carried forward off the
upturned bottom then shifted sideways in line with the
foundation,and then hoisted up onto it prior to bolting the whole
thing together.Having the upturned bottom to use as a work platform
has been a great assist in setting up the arches.Otherwise, things
would have required some scalfolding and perhaps another pair of
hands and arms.Once all the plastic is installed on the bowshed,it
will be a breeze to deal with closing in the lower 4' foundation
walls.
The base of the foundation wall will also be built on giant
skis,which will make it relatively easy to slide the entire
structure forward and receive the bottom after flipping.You
see,another great advantage to working in a frozen snow covered boat
yard.....you just need a pair of skis to slide big things around :-)
I hope you survive those awefully cold nights(down to 56
you say?) and that a friendly solution presents itself soon so that
you may begin the wonderful adventure of building your Champlain.
Thanks for the sunshine,but not too warm please or else the
skis won't work come flipping day :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,imagining how nice it must be to walk right out ones
kitchen door,coffee in hand, and voila!,le boat shop,le boat,le saw
dust,le wood and, best of all,le peace and le quite from all le
bullmerde....while passing another calm night along le shores of le
St.Laurent..........
>.section your going to build goes under the Bow section...... how do
>
> I was wondering, I assume that the retangular 4' x 40'
you plan on getting the Bow section up on top
> I'll send up someFlorida sunshine to warm up the shed
Hi John,
Glad to hear that you are inspired or encouraged by some of
my craziness up North:-) Having the chance to build a boat in your
very own backyard is a luxury not to mention great for the budget.
I'm about a 45 minite drive away from my boat site and there is a
monthly rent to cover on top of that..........
The 4' high"foundation" ,which is next on the building
agenda, will be built right beside the upturned bottom. Once this is
completed,the Verchere Gang will pay a Saturday visit and we will
hoist the Bowshed up onto it.This is why I have yet to close in the
ends of the bowshed since it will have to be carried forward off the
upturned bottom then shifted sideways in line with the
foundation,and then hoisted up onto it prior to bolting the whole
thing together.Having the upturned bottom to use as a work platform
has been a great assist in setting up the arches.Otherwise, things
would have required some scalfolding and perhaps another pair of
hands and arms.Once all the plastic is installed on the bowshed,it
will be a breeze to deal with closing in the lower 4' foundation
walls.
The base of the foundation wall will also be built on giant
skis,which will make it relatively easy to slide the entire
structure forward and receive the bottom after flipping.You
see,another great advantage to working in a frozen snow covered boat
yard.....you just need a pair of skis to slide big things around :-)
I hope you survive those awefully cold nights(down to 56
you say?) and that a friendly solution presents itself soon so that
you may begin the wonderful adventure of building your Champlain.
Thanks for the sunshine,but not too warm please or else the
skis won't work come flipping day :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,imagining how nice it must be to walk right out ones
kitchen door,coffee in hand, and voila!,le boat shop,le boat,le saw
dust,le wood and, best of all,le peace and le quite from all le
bullmerde....while passing another calm night along le shores of le
St.Laurent..........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
"Where's the HEAT?".........oh.......she's at home safely out
of harms way :-)
The real heat is expected to begin once I've got her(the
shed) all sealed up with some 6 mil clear poly.
Have you thought of moving to New Zealand or Australia
Bruce? You appear to have a penchant for "seeing" things righside up
which really only work upside down :-D
Nevertheless,whenever the jig and/or bowshed become
available,you're more then welcome to come-n-get'em for your
experimental boating pleasure.
Have fun in the sun,you pirate!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, who may have to begin sending down photos of snow
banks to Le Baron de Kingston while he terrorizes the pub crawlers
of St.Petes,just so that he doesn't forget his way back
home...........:-)
wrote:
> Hey Peter.I
>
> Cool boat shed (pun intended, I mean, .... "Where's the HEAT?"),
> couldn't help but notice the resemblance to an unside downschooner
> frame.Hi Bruce,
>
"Where's the HEAT?".........oh.......she's at home safely out
of harms way :-)
The real heat is expected to begin once I've got her(the
shed) all sealed up with some 6 mil clear poly.
Have you thought of moving to New Zealand or Australia
Bruce? You appear to have a penchant for "seeing" things righside up
which really only work upside down :-D
Nevertheless,whenever the jig and/or bowshed become
available,you're more then welcome to come-n-get'em for your
experimental boating pleasure.
Have fun in the sun,you pirate!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, who may have to begin sending down photos of snow
banks to Le Baron de Kingston while he terrorizes the pub crawlers
of St.Petes,just so that he doesn't forget his way back
home...........:-)
On some floor plans, the back of the car port could be opened with a back,
garage style, door. (Save the crane act.) There were photos at Oshkosh one
year of a fellow who had to cut a huge hole in his dining room floor to
bring his home-built aircraft out of the basement, so there are
alternatives.
Thieves love garages and car ports that open on the street and let them
drive by to browse for power tools and materials; or so we were told by our
neighbors in Fort Worth. Ours opened to the rear and we had no trouble, but
theirs opened out and they'd lost power mowers, bicycles, etc.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
garage style, door. (Save the crane act.) There were photos at Oshkosh one
year of a fellow who had to cut a huge hole in his dining room floor to
bring his home-built aircraft out of the basement, so there are
alternatives.
Thieves love garages and car ports that open on the street and let them
drive by to browse for power tools and materials; or so we were told by our
neighbors in Fort Worth. Ours opened to the rear and we had no trouble, but
theirs opened out and they'd lost power mowers, bicycles, etc.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Spoering" <spoering@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Bow Shed pictures.......Phase I
> May have to build in the back yard but that entails another set of
regulations and the neccessity of hireing a crane to lift the finished boat
over the house which my wife is deathly afraid of. Helped a friend do this
with a 34' catamaran and it worked just great and if I can convince Barbara
I think its the way to go - much more privacy behind the house.
Hi Peter -
Well, thanks for those wonderful pics. I bought the back issue of Wodenboat that shows how to build that Bowshed, now all I have to do is get permission from the city of Ft Lauderdale ( Hey, it got down to a frigid 56 degrees last nite) to build about a 6'-8' section out from our carport. This will give me plenty of length to build our Champlain but the town has all sorts of regulations that I'll have to navigate first.
May have to build in the back yard but that entails another set of regulations and the neccessity of hireing a crane to lift the finished boat over the house which my wife is deathly afraid of. Helped a friend do this with a 34' catamaran and it worked just great and if I can convince Barbara I think its the way to go - much more privacy behind the house.
I was wondering, I assume that the retangular 4' x 40' section your going to build goes under the Bow section...... how do you plan on getting the Bow section up on top
Watching your progress is the kind of inspiration we all need wether we're building the Nymph pram or a Nautilus.
Keep on keeping on -- Aloha - Jack - Ft Lauderdale
I'll send up some Florida sunshine to warm up the shed
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Well, thanks for those wonderful pics. I bought the back issue of Wodenboat that shows how to build that Bowshed, now all I have to do is get permission from the city of Ft Lauderdale ( Hey, it got down to a frigid 56 degrees last nite) to build about a 6'-8' section out from our carport. This will give me plenty of length to build our Champlain but the town has all sorts of regulations that I'll have to navigate first.
May have to build in the back yard but that entails another set of regulations and the neccessity of hireing a crane to lift the finished boat over the house which my wife is deathly afraid of. Helped a friend do this with a 34' catamaran and it worked just great and if I can convince Barbara I think its the way to go - much more privacy behind the house.
I was wondering, I assume that the retangular 4' x 40' section your going to build goes under the Bow section...... how do you plan on getting the Bow section up on top
Watching your progress is the kind of inspiration we all need wether we're building the Nymph pram or a Nautilus.
Keep on keeping on -- Aloha - Jack - Ft Lauderdale
I'll send up some Florida sunshine to warm up the shed
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hey Peter.
Cool boat shed (pun intended, I mean, .... "Where's the HEAT?"), I
couldn't help but notice the resemblance to an unside down schooner
frame.
Perhaps when you're finished you can make it into a giant skin on
frame floatable of some sort, perhaps with concrete ballast to join
your 40 by 8 foot barge. Pushed by Timmy the Tiniest Towboat it'd all
be quite the "tow" on the mighty St. Lawrence.
Bos'un Black Bruce
Just dreamin' of the winter Floridian sun and sippin' on a rum punch
as I plan the Lenihan fleet. Why add some concrete to the bow and you
could start ice breaking and extend your season.
Cool boat shed (pun intended, I mean, .... "Where's the HEAT?"), I
couldn't help but notice the resemblance to an unside down schooner
frame.
Perhaps when you're finished you can make it into a giant skin on
frame floatable of some sort, perhaps with concrete ballast to join
your 40 by 8 foot barge. Pushed by Timmy the Tiniest Towboat it'd all
be quite the "tow" on the mighty St. Lawrence.
Bos'un Black Bruce
Just dreamin' of the winter Floridian sun and sippin' on a rum punch
as I plan the Lenihan fleet. Why add some concrete to the bow and you
could start ice breaking and extend your season.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@l...> wrote:
Don't own a computer,just use the one at work. So I guess "they"
must have done the upgrade you refer to :-)........lucky me!
Peter Lenihan
> Did you recently upgrade to IE 6? It's a feature of IE 6. Maybeyou just
> didn't notice it before.Hi Frank,
>
Don't own a computer,just use the one at work. So I guess "they"
must have done the upgrade you refer to :-)........lucky me!
Peter Lenihan
Did you recently upgrade to IE 6? It's a feature of IE 6. Maybe you just
didn't notice it before.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
By the way, I just happened to notice that while reviewing the
photos, a small little image appears in the lower right hand corner
of the photo and that if I click on this,I get an even larger
photo.I do not know how this happened or if it works for others when
viewing the photos.
didn't notice it before.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
By the way, I just happened to notice that while reviewing the
photos, a small little image appears in the lower right hand corner
of the photo and that if I click on this,I get an even larger
photo.I do not know how this happened or if it works for others when
viewing the photos.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@l...> wrote:
No,this idea/plan comes from Stimson Marine,with some slight
modifications by me.To be perfectly precise,however, the plans were
actually lent to me by a fellow Bolger group member who is in the
just-about-to-start-cutting-wood phase of a CHAMPLAIN design. It is
my good fortune that he lives not all that far away from my soon to
be bowshed-boatshop :-)
By the way, I just happened to notice that while reviewing the
photos, a small little image appears in the lower right hand corner
of the photo and that if I click on this,I get an even larger
photo.I do not know how this happened or if it works for others when
viewing the photos.
Hope this gets you excited about building your own boat soon
Frank.............
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, whiling away the time on a calm night at the funny
farm
> Looking good, Peter. Thanks for sharing the photos. I forget, isthis your
> design or someone else's? --FrankBHi Frank,
No,this idea/plan comes from Stimson Marine,with some slight
modifications by me.To be perfectly precise,however, the plans were
actually lent to me by a fellow Bolger group member who is in the
just-about-to-start-cutting-wood phase of a CHAMPLAIN design. It is
my good fortune that he lives not all that far away from my soon to
be bowshed-boatshop :-)
By the way, I just happened to notice that while reviewing the
photos, a small little image appears in the lower right hand corner
of the photo and that if I click on this,I get an even larger
photo.I do not know how this happened or if it works for others when
viewing the photos.
Hope this gets you excited about building your own boat soon
Frank.............
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, whiling away the time on a calm night at the funny
farm
Looking good, Peter. Thanks for sharing the photos. I forget, is this your
design or someone else's? --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Bolgerados,
Well,now that winter has made its grand entrance upon my
all-out-doors-all-the-time boat yard, I finally got my pictures
developed.
design or someone else's? --FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Bolgerados,
Well,now that winter has made its grand entrance upon my
all-out-doors-all-the-time boat yard, I finally got my pictures
developed.
Bolgerados,
Well,now that winter has made its grand entrance upon my
all-out-doors-all-the-time boat yard, I finally got my pictures
developed.
The entire process went very smoothly considering the
bitter cold winds coming off the St.Lawrence Seaway and the fact
that I was working alone.Had there been just one extra pair of hands
I could've beaten the snow. Mind you, had I been wiser and possessed
of more then 2 fully functional neurons, I would have built this
structure months ago and enjoyed better out door working
conditions :-)
The sequence of photos shows the basic bow shed
structure or what I refer to as Phase I. Next is going to be a
rectangular structure measuring 14' wide,40' long and 4' high onto
which the bow shed will be mounted to allow me 16' on vertical
clearance.
I am still marvelling over how very easy this bow shed
structure was to build and would highly recommend/encourage any
other out-door builders to consider building one too as it will save
alot of lost days from rain,snow and other outdoor nasties which
usually keep us from building. Of course, if you happen to be one of
those lucky chaps who live in a climate which has annual
precipitation measured in scant fractions of an inch and a
themometer which never can't even register anything bellow 50 F.,
then this may not apply to you and I wish you....aaaaa..err....a
million snow flakes :-D
Once the holiday craziness is over,I'll begin Phase II
which should go much quicker since;A) it is a straight
forward "short wall" framing project,B) I've bought a large soup
thermos for lunch breaks and, C) I've grown acclimatized already to
the arctic conditions. In the mean time,it is a question of
gathering up enough carpet scraps to lay over the outside framing
stock of the bow shed to give some chafe protection for the 6mil
poly.
I can't wait until the whole works is done and
finished....it is very very exciting just knowing that the
fickleness of weather conditions will soon mean very little to me
and that I'll soon be making saw dust out along the ice covered
Seaway Yipppeeee!!!!
Here's the link to the file section over on Bolger3:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,not exactly in the blues but humming a little tune
nevertheless.........
"well the snows they finally came
while I was lookin' the other way
and now I've gone an' caught me
a case of the blues
got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
I got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
With Pesky on the one hand and the job on the other
if I don't cut some wood soon
I'm gonna call me mother!
Well,now that winter has made its grand entrance upon my
all-out-doors-all-the-time boat yard, I finally got my pictures
developed.
The entire process went very smoothly considering the
bitter cold winds coming off the St.Lawrence Seaway and the fact
that I was working alone.Had there been just one extra pair of hands
I could've beaten the snow. Mind you, had I been wiser and possessed
of more then 2 fully functional neurons, I would have built this
structure months ago and enjoyed better out door working
conditions :-)
The sequence of photos shows the basic bow shed
structure or what I refer to as Phase I. Next is going to be a
rectangular structure measuring 14' wide,40' long and 4' high onto
which the bow shed will be mounted to allow me 16' on vertical
clearance.
I am still marvelling over how very easy this bow shed
structure was to build and would highly recommend/encourage any
other out-door builders to consider building one too as it will save
alot of lost days from rain,snow and other outdoor nasties which
usually keep us from building. Of course, if you happen to be one of
those lucky chaps who live in a climate which has annual
precipitation measured in scant fractions of an inch and a
themometer which never can't even register anything bellow 50 F.,
then this may not apply to you and I wish you....aaaaa..err....a
million snow flakes :-D
Once the holiday craziness is over,I'll begin Phase II
which should go much quicker since;A) it is a straight
forward "short wall" framing project,B) I've bought a large soup
thermos for lunch breaks and, C) I've grown acclimatized already to
the arctic conditions. In the mean time,it is a question of
gathering up enough carpet scraps to lay over the outside framing
stock of the bow shed to give some chafe protection for the 6mil
poly.
I can't wait until the whole works is done and
finished....it is very very exciting just knowing that the
fickleness of weather conditions will soon mean very little to me
and that I'll soon be making saw dust out along the ice covered
Seaway Yipppeeee!!!!
Here's the link to the file section over on Bolger3:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,not exactly in the blues but humming a little tune
nevertheless.........
"well the snows they finally came
while I was lookin' the other way
and now I've gone an' caught me
a case of the blues
got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
I got them bowshed blues....oh yeah!
With Pesky on the one hand and the job on the other
if I don't cut some wood soon
I'm gonna call me mother!