Re: [bolger] Re: Screens for Bolger windows
Thanks for all the help from the group--the idea below
may work best for my application--I'll post somthing
about what I come up with this spring. I really will
try to post some pictures, too--I know, promises,
promises. . .
Sam
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may work best for my application--I'll post somthing
about what I come up with this spring. I really will
try to post some pictures, too--I know, promises,
promises. . .
Sam
--- soussouchew <vachew@...> wrote:
> How about framed screens that slide up and down in__________________________________
> channels
> fastened outside the cabin sides on either side of
> the window.
> You would lower them against a bottom stop trim
> piece when the
> windows are open, and slide them up enough to clear
> the drip
> cap when you close the windows.
>
> I have seen various sizes of plastic and aluminum
> channel at my
> local building supply.
>
> Vince Chew
>
>
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Bolger did not include diagrams of the windows for the Wyoming and just
describes them much the same as you have except that I understood that the
drip ledge was just the window sill itself. Basically the window sill is
angled downward to the outside with a taller lip on the inside where the
window is lowered down into the sill itself. He doesn't show them hinged at
the top which allows them to drop back at the top something like a Wiley
window. They can also be fully removed and stowed in racks on the ceiling.
He doesn't even mention how to lock them in place at the top but I figured
some type of twist knob or such would work.
This way the screen is solidly attached to the exterior of the frame and
never has to be removed.
Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor
describes them much the same as you have except that I understood that the
drip ledge was just the window sill itself. Basically the window sill is
angled downward to the outside with a taller lip on the inside where the
window is lowered down into the sill itself. He doesn't show them hinged at
the top which allows them to drop back at the top something like a Wiley
window. They can also be fully removed and stowed in racks on the ceiling.
He doesn't even mention how to lock them in place at the top but I figured
some type of twist knob or such would work.
This way the screen is solidly attached to the exterior of the frame and
never has to be removed.
Jeff
www.4dw.net/cosailor
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From: "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:22 PM
Subject: [bolger] Screens for Bolger windows
> The windows on the Topaz and (I expect) other
> Bolger glass-cabin boats are hinged at the top to
> swing in. When closed, they sit against the cabin
> side on the inside, against rubber gaskets. Across
> the bottom of the window (plexi)glass, just above the
> bottom of the opening, a wooden "drip ledge" is
> attached to the glass. It projects out the window
> opening so that water running down the window glass
> runs onto the drip edge, out the opening, and thence
> outside the window, rather than running onto the
> bottom gasket and weeping from there into the cabin.
> These windows work great. I would like to screen
> them over, however, and it is difficult to see how to
> do so with the projection of the drip edge through the
> opening. Obviously, I could install removable screen
> frames, and take them out to close the windows, but
> then I ould have the storage problem of eight very
> large rigid screens/frames to store someplace.
> Has anybody tackled this? Or any ideas? Thanks
> a lot. Sam
>
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How about framed screens that slide up and down in channels
fastened outside the cabin sides on either side of the window.
You would lower them against a bottom stop trim piece when the
windows are open, and slide them up enough to clear the drip
cap when you close the windows.
I have seen various sizes of plastic and aluminum channel at my
local building supply.
Vince Chew
fastened outside the cabin sides on either side of the window.
You would lower them against a bottom stop trim piece when the
windows are open, and slide them up enough to clear the drip
cap when you close the windows.
I have seen various sizes of plastic and aluminum channel at my
local building supply.
Vince Chew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Peter Lenihan
> > I would love to see some detailedMe too Sam,pleeeeeeease.........................:-)
> photos of the windows and interior
> of Topaz.
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
Well,like most boat nuts, I usually carry around in my head a
tidy collection of boats I'd like to build. The AS-29 happens to be
one of them. That she sort of got bumped down my boats-to-build-
before-I-die list simply reflects a shift in my more immediate
interests/plans.Before the model of the AS-29, there was first a
model of the Champlain.Things took an unexpected,but much
appreciated, turn when, upon ordering the plans for the
Champlain,Bolger came back with an interesting offer.......to proto-
type Windermere.
The AS-29 is still on the list and I ain't done buildin' yet :-)
As to my comments to David about the AS-29,they reflect more a
builders readiness/abilities then any purely"logical" linear
progression.Or expressed another way,if a builder has what it takes
to see a project like MICRO( a big little boat) through to
launching,then the apparent challenges presented with the AS-29(a
little big boat) are really not all that scary and a builder like
David certainly has what it would take to see an AS-29 through to the
end.
I'm not entirely certain about this,but I wonder if Bolger
didn't also offer a steel plate ballast option,à la CABOTIN (AS-39).
If so,then this would further enhance the shoal draft capabilities by
allowing one to take a shallow berth at the local marina and make
what ever the bottom is made out of irrelevant.If I recall,Bolger
suggested this course of action to work out a deal for a cheaper
berth at marinas.
The real big sister to Micro is a 55'footer that appeared in
MAIBs some years ago.She even has that wonderfully shallow full
length keel:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,along the very mild shores of the
St.Lawrence.........
> Perhaps Peter could expand on this. Photos of his model are stillon
> the 'net:marina
>
>http://www.leow.de/peter/peter.html
>
> So it would be interesting to hear why he changed his mind.
>
> Personally I see a big gap between MICRO and an AS29. >
> All the new mods for the AS29 make it more complicated and more
> expensive to build.
>
> Trailering it would be a real challenge - so one is tied to a
> and the added expense, which rather negates the advantages of it'sHi Nels,
> shallow draft capabilities.
>
> A stretched version of MICRO with a pilothouse seems to be the
> logical next step.
>
> I sometimes wonder if Chuck Merrell could be convinced to complete
> his redesign of "Tomboy".
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
>
> Cheers, Nels
Well,like most boat nuts, I usually carry around in my head a
tidy collection of boats I'd like to build. The AS-29 happens to be
one of them. That she sort of got bumped down my boats-to-build-
before-I-die list simply reflects a shift in my more immediate
interests/plans.Before the model of the AS-29, there was first a
model of the Champlain.Things took an unexpected,but much
appreciated, turn when, upon ordering the plans for the
Champlain,Bolger came back with an interesting offer.......to proto-
type Windermere.
The AS-29 is still on the list and I ain't done buildin' yet :-)
As to my comments to David about the AS-29,they reflect more a
builders readiness/abilities then any purely"logical" linear
progression.Or expressed another way,if a builder has what it takes
to see a project like MICRO( a big little boat) through to
launching,then the apparent challenges presented with the AS-29(a
little big boat) are really not all that scary and a builder like
David certainly has what it would take to see an AS-29 through to the
end.
I'm not entirely certain about this,but I wonder if Bolger
didn't also offer a steel plate ballast option,à la CABOTIN (AS-39).
If so,then this would further enhance the shoal draft capabilities by
allowing one to take a shallow berth at the local marina and make
what ever the bottom is made out of irrelevant.If I recall,Bolger
suggested this course of action to work out a deal for a cheaper
berth at marinas.
The real big sister to Micro is a 55'footer that appeared in
MAIBs some years ago.She even has that wonderfully shallow full
length keel:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,along the very mild shores of the
St.Lawrence.........
--- Sam Glasscock wrote:
photos of the windows and interior
of Topaz. My first instinct would
be to sew Velcro to a roll of window
screen and glue/staple Velcro around
the window. The advantage being that
the window screens would stow more
easily as a roll than with hard screen
frames.
> The windows on the TopazI would love to see some detailed
photos of the windows and interior
of Topaz. My first instinct would
be to sew Velcro to a roll of window
screen and glue/staple Velcro around
the window. The advantage being that
the window screens would stow more
easily as a roll than with hard screen
frames.
The windows on the Topaz and (I expect) other
Bolger glass-cabin boats are hinged at the top to
swing in. When closed, they sit against the cabin
side on the inside, against rubber gaskets. Across
the bottom of the window (plexi)glass, just above the
bottom of the opening, a wooden "drip ledge" is
attached to the glass. It projects out the window
opening so that water running down the window glass
runs onto the drip edge, out the opening, and thence
outside the window, rather than running onto the
bottom gasket and weeping from there into the cabin.
These windows work great. I would like to screen
them over, however, and it is difficult to see how to
do so with the projection of the drip edge through the
opening. Obviously, I could install removable screen
frames, and take them out to close the windows, but
then I ould have the storage problem of eight very
large rigid screens/frames to store someplace.
Has anybody tackled this? Or any ideas? Thanks
a lot. Sam
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Bolger glass-cabin boats are hinged at the top to
swing in. When closed, they sit against the cabin
side on the inside, against rubber gaskets. Across
the bottom of the window (plexi)glass, just above the
bottom of the opening, a wooden "drip ledge" is
attached to the glass. It projects out the window
opening so that water running down the window glass
runs onto the drip edge, out the opening, and thence
outside the window, rather than running onto the
bottom gasket and weeping from there into the cabin.
These windows work great. I would like to screen
them over, however, and it is difficult to see how to
do so with the projection of the drip edge through the
opening. Obviously, I could install removable screen
frames, and take them out to close the windows, but
then I ould have the storage problem of eight very
large rigid screens/frames to store someplace.
Has anybody tackled this? Or any ideas? Thanks
a lot. Sam
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So you're saying you submerged your trailer completely? I guess this is one
way to get that trailer low enough to float the boat off or on; I assume you
have some vertical poles to guide you back onto it? Interesting idea... My
brother has a 16' powerboat and swears by his long-tongue trailer, wonder if
I can find one of those with a drop axle too. His tilts and has rollers, so
he can crank his boat up under almost any conditions; I know rollers won't
be of any use to me, but do you think the tilting aspect would be of any
help, or is floating depth really the critical factor?
I suspect that I'll find out soon enough which of my local ramps work well,
which don't, and what adaptations I may have to come up with to deal with
local conditions. I'm hopeful that the ramp at the end of my road will work,
as it's long and rather steep, and the ledge off the end of the pavement is
slight and should only become a problem at extremely low tides. The channel
leading out from there into Popponessett bay is just marginally deep enough
for an 18" keel at low tide. That's why I like it - so few people have boats
that shallow that there is never a long lineup like at some of the more
popular ramps around here. I hope to avoid coming in from a relaxing Sunday
or weekend on the water and having to queue up with a bunch of impatient
powerboaters, and watch their tempers flare as I go about my relatively more
complex drill...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:43 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
Setting up the trailer is not too bad. I would do it differently
next time from what I chose to do. If you can find or build a
trailer with a drop axle it would be most beneficial as Micro sits
high on the trailer due to the full keel(My Cape Cod Catboat is very
low in comparison). Use full bunks with short supports in the front
and longer ones in the back.
Ramp steepness is not a problem, take two 10' 2X4's and epoxy them
together, and then bolt on a trailer tongue to it. You can then
attach this to the trailer with lashings or whatever. It worked
quite well. A tongue stand is essential, get the best wheel you can
on this. On most ramps, I could have just chocked the wheels and
then lowered or retrieved with a 10' length of chain or heavy rope.
I think it is key not to get too fancy here.
Happy building, I hope you have taken good care of that folding
kayak. I had boat envy with that one!
David Jost
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way to get that trailer low enough to float the boat off or on; I assume you
have some vertical poles to guide you back onto it? Interesting idea... My
brother has a 16' powerboat and swears by his long-tongue trailer, wonder if
I can find one of those with a drop axle too. His tilts and has rollers, so
he can crank his boat up under almost any conditions; I know rollers won't
be of any use to me, but do you think the tilting aspect would be of any
help, or is floating depth really the critical factor?
I suspect that I'll find out soon enough which of my local ramps work well,
which don't, and what adaptations I may have to come up with to deal with
local conditions. I'm hopeful that the ramp at the end of my road will work,
as it's long and rather steep, and the ledge off the end of the pavement is
slight and should only become a problem at extremely low tides. The channel
leading out from there into Popponessett bay is just marginally deep enough
for an 18" keel at low tide. That's why I like it - so few people have boats
that shallow that there is never a long lineup like at some of the more
popular ramps around here. I hope to avoid coming in from a relaxing Sunday
or weekend on the water and having to queue up with a bunch of impatient
powerboaters, and watch their tempers flare as I go about my relatively more
complex drill...
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:43 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
Setting up the trailer is not too bad. I would do it differently
next time from what I chose to do. If you can find or build a
trailer with a drop axle it would be most beneficial as Micro sits
high on the trailer due to the full keel(My Cape Cod Catboat is very
low in comparison). Use full bunks with short supports in the front
and longer ones in the back.
Ramp steepness is not a problem, take two 10' 2X4's and epoxy them
together, and then bolt on a trailer tongue to it. You can then
attach this to the trailer with lashings or whatever. It worked
quite well. A tongue stand is essential, get the best wheel you can
on this. On most ramps, I could have just chocked the wheels and
then lowered or retrieved with a 10' length of chain or heavy rope.
I think it is key not to get too fancy here.
Happy building, I hope you have taken good care of that folding
kayak. I had boat envy with that one!
David Jost
> I'll probably be hitting on you again for advice on setting up thetrailer,
> and knowing how steep a ramp I need to find...Bolger rules!!!
>
> Paul Lefebvre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnjost [mailto:djost@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:31 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
>
>
> Paul -
>
> I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
> hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
>
> David Jost
> "missing Micro"
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Setting up the trailer is not too bad. I would do it differently
next time from what I chose to do. If you can find or build a
trailer with a drop axle it would be most beneficial as Micro sits
high on the trailer due to the full keel(My Cape Cod Catboat is very
low in comparison). Use full bunks with short supports in the front
and longer ones in the back.
Ramp steepness is not a problem, take two 10' 2X4's and epoxy them
together, and then bolt on a trailer tongue to it. You can then
attach this to the trailer with lashings or whatever. It worked
quite well. A tongue stand is essential, get the best wheel you can
on this. On most ramps, I could have just chocked the wheels and
then lowered or retrieved with a 10' length of chain or heavy rope.
I think it is key not to get too fancy here.
Happy building, I hope you have taken good care of that folding
kayak. I had boat envy with that one!
David Jost
next time from what I chose to do. If you can find or build a
trailer with a drop axle it would be most beneficial as Micro sits
high on the trailer due to the full keel(My Cape Cod Catboat is very
low in comparison). Use full bunks with short supports in the front
and longer ones in the back.
Ramp steepness is not a problem, take two 10' 2X4's and epoxy them
together, and then bolt on a trailer tongue to it. You can then
attach this to the trailer with lashings or whatever. It worked
quite well. A tongue stand is essential, get the best wheel you can
on this. On most ramps, I could have just chocked the wheels and
then lowered or retrieved with a 10' length of chain or heavy rope.
I think it is key not to get too fancy here.
Happy building, I hope you have taken good care of that folding
kayak. I had boat envy with that one!
David Jost
> I'll probably be hitting on you again for advice on setting up thetrailer,
> and knowing how steep a ramp I need to find...
>
> Paul Lefebvre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dnjost [mailto:djost@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:31 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
>
>
> Paul -
>
> I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
> hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
>
> David Jost
> "missing Micro"
Sure Dave, I owe you one! Chuck Merrell nudged me onto this road, and then
you and Peter were right there to stick a hand out to help me early on, for
which I'm very grateful. John McDaniel also chimed in a few times off-line
with very good, practical advice. It would've been easy to remain an
'armchair' builder without the contact I had with you guys. This project has
really stretched me in ways I couldn't have imagined, and I can't wait to
have my little escape pod bobbing in the Atlantic this coming summer.
I've actually entertained vague fantasies of it all coming together just in
time so I could launch my Micro at the Gloucester messabout, but don't even
know when or if that is happening (has a date been set yet?) Can't think of
a more interested or interesting group of onlookers for the occasion, and it
would be a special honor if the designer himself were there. But if the boat
should be done earlier, I'm sure I'll find it impossible to keep it dry...
I'll probably be hitting on you again for advice on setting up the trailer,
and knowing how steep a ramp I need to find...
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
Paul -
I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
David Jost
"missing Micro"
you and Peter were right there to stick a hand out to help me early on, for
which I'm very grateful. John McDaniel also chimed in a few times off-line
with very good, practical advice. It would've been easy to remain an
'armchair' builder without the contact I had with you guys. This project has
really stretched me in ways I couldn't have imagined, and I can't wait to
have my little escape pod bobbing in the Atlantic this coming summer.
I've actually entertained vague fantasies of it all coming together just in
time so I could launch my Micro at the Gloucester messabout, but don't even
know when or if that is happening (has a date been set yet?) Can't think of
a more interested or interesting group of onlookers for the occasion, and it
would be a special honor if the designer himself were there. But if the boat
should be done earlier, I'm sure I'll find it impossible to keep it dry...
I'll probably be hitting on you again for advice on setting up the trailer,
and knowing how steep a ramp I need to find...
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From: dnjost [mailto:djost@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Science in the basement - fun with epoxy
Paul -
I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
David Jost
"missing Micro"
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
the 'net:
http://www.leow.de/peter/peter.html
So it would be interesting to hear why he changed his mind.
Personally I see a big gap between MICRO and an AS29. Seems to me to
be about six times larger and 10 times more complicated.
There is really a lot of joinery inside.
It requires inside ballest which is an added complication - as well
as two bilge boards. MICRO does this with the salient keel which also
adds hull strength and rudder and motor protection.
All the new mods for the AS29 make it more complicated and more
expensive to build.
Trailering it would be a real challenge - so one is tied to a marina
and the added expense, which rather negates the advantages of it's
shallow draft capabilities.
A stretched version of MICRO with a pilothouse seems to be the
logical next step.
I sometimes wonder if Chuck Merrell could be convinced to complete
his redesign of "Tomboy".
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Cheers, Nels
> Peter -Perhaps Peter could expand on this. Photos of his model are still on
> I am surprised that more folks have not built one, as it appears to
> pick up where Micro leaves off.
>
> David Jost
the 'net:
http://www.leow.de/peter/peter.html
So it would be interesting to hear why he changed his mind.
Personally I see a big gap between MICRO and an AS29. Seems to me to
be about six times larger and 10 times more complicated.
There is really a lot of joinery inside.
It requires inside ballest which is an added complication - as well
as two bilge boards. MICRO does this with the salient keel which also
adds hull strength and rudder and motor protection.
All the new mods for the AS29 make it more complicated and more
expensive to build.
Trailering it would be a real challenge - so one is tied to a marina
and the added expense, which rather negates the advantages of it's
shallow draft capabilities.
A stretched version of MICRO with a pilothouse seems to be the
logical next step.
I sometimes wonder if Chuck Merrell could be convinced to complete
his redesign of "Tomboy".
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Cheers, Nels
Paul -
I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
David Jost
"missing Micro"
I would love to see your launch! Call when you need an extra pair of
hands or reasonably strong back to assist.
David Jost
"missing Micro"
Peter -
the AS-29 still remains amongst the top ten items to accomplish prior
to retirement so as to make retirement all that much sweeter. I am
currently #160 on the slip assignment list for my local marina. If I
start building in Summer 05, a brand new AS29 will be in the berth on
schedule when my number comes up somewhere around 2010!!! pretty
darned close to retirement. Grad school first.
I am surprised that more folks have not built one, as it appears to
pick up where Micro leaves off.
David Jost
the AS-29 still remains amongst the top ten items to accomplish prior
to retirement so as to make retirement all that much sweeter. I am
currently #160 on the slip assignment list for my local marina. If I
start building in Summer 05, a brand new AS29 will be in the berth on
schedule when my number comes up somewhere around 2010!!! pretty
darned close to retirement. Grad school first.
I am surprised that more folks have not built one, as it appears to
pick up where Micro leaves off.
David Jost
Last night I started glueing up a bowed companionway hatch for my Micro out
of leftover cedar strips from the last canoe. I usually strip with wood
glue, but used thickened epoxy this time for the extra strength. I'll be
adding a few layers of doorskin ply on top of the strips and glassing the
whole thing inside and out so it will support me when I'm setting that 26'
stretched mast; but I intend to finish the strips nicely underneath so I can
enjoy their colors from my bunk. I recently got some new epoxy from
Progressive Epoxies up in NH, as recommended by someone on this list a month
or two ago, and have been quite pleased with it in most respects - it's much
thicker than any Raka or West epoxies I've ever used before, and is cheaper
by far. It also seems to be completely odorless. There is a downside,
however - the darned resin is too thick to pump! So I'm having to use
measuring cups, and I'm finding I'm wasting alot, as I can no longer do a
two-squirt batch; haven't yet adapted my building style to have multiple
jobs ready at once in case I have extra goo...
So I was working in my basement and counting on the cool temps to give me
enough time to get through the job in one batch before it kicked, but failed
to take into account a basic principal of physics I was once taught - the
relationship between pressure, heat, and reactions. I had a big fat syringe
I was using to squirt goo into the cove of my beaded and coved cedar strips;
it was a bit messy to fill the syringe but made applying the right amount of
goo very easy. On the third filling, I didn't notice any difference in the
epoxy in the tub, it seemed as fluid as before and no warmer; but when I
started to push on the plunger on the full syringe, nothing moved. I could
feel through my rubber gloves that the syringe was suddenly very hot - a bad
sign. I pushed harder and a very thin string of hardened epoxy came
straining out of the tip, useless for any bonding. The remaining epoxy in
the pot was still liquid, but the stuff in the syringe hardened right up
under the pressure - must've been right on the verge. Very curious. No harm
done, except that I had to toss a good syringe, but it was really quite
remarkable... Anyone else ever encounter this phenomenon?
Paul Lefebvre,
hoping the progress made on these bonus warm winter days will translate to
extra days on the water next summer...
of leftover cedar strips from the last canoe. I usually strip with wood
glue, but used thickened epoxy this time for the extra strength. I'll be
adding a few layers of doorskin ply on top of the strips and glassing the
whole thing inside and out so it will support me when I'm setting that 26'
stretched mast; but I intend to finish the strips nicely underneath so I can
enjoy their colors from my bunk. I recently got some new epoxy from
Progressive Epoxies up in NH, as recommended by someone on this list a month
or two ago, and have been quite pleased with it in most respects - it's much
thicker than any Raka or West epoxies I've ever used before, and is cheaper
by far. It also seems to be completely odorless. There is a downside,
however - the darned resin is too thick to pump! So I'm having to use
measuring cups, and I'm finding I'm wasting alot, as I can no longer do a
two-squirt batch; haven't yet adapted my building style to have multiple
jobs ready at once in case I have extra goo...
So I was working in my basement and counting on the cool temps to give me
enough time to get through the job in one batch before it kicked, but failed
to take into account a basic principal of physics I was once taught - the
relationship between pressure, heat, and reactions. I had a big fat syringe
I was using to squirt goo into the cove of my beaded and coved cedar strips;
it was a bit messy to fill the syringe but made applying the right amount of
goo very easy. On the third filling, I didn't notice any difference in the
epoxy in the tub, it seemed as fluid as before and no warmer; but when I
started to push on the plunger on the full syringe, nothing moved. I could
feel through my rubber gloves that the syringe was suddenly very hot - a bad
sign. I pushed harder and a very thin string of hardened epoxy came
straining out of the tip, useless for any bonding. The remaining epoxy in
the pot was still liquid, but the stuff in the syringe hardened right up
under the pressure - must've been right on the verge. Very curious. No harm
done, except that I had to toss a good syringe, but it was really quite
remarkable... Anyone else ever encounter this phenomenon?
Paul Lefebvre,
hoping the progress made on these bonus warm winter days will translate to
extra days on the water next summer...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <djost@m...> wrote:
this can be equally accomplished with the Queen of the fleet,the
mighty MICRO( I know,I've actually done it)..all except for one itty
bitty detail..........headroom in three distinct cabins:-)
Now,what's all this talk about "sleeping with visions"...? I would
have thought that by know you would have cranked it up a notch or two
and been sleepin' with a model of the AS-29. The experience and
skills you acquired while doing your own Micro "FIREFLY" place you in
a most advantageous position regarding the AS-29. Added to this is
the bonus of Bolgers later tweeking of some design features to render
a still better version of the original boat!
With good room for the kids,tons of storage,privacy for the
adults,plenty of locations for mounting an arsenal of rods and super
shoal draft,you've got yourself a mean cruising/fishing machine. If I
were a fish,I'd be very scared:-)
Sweet Dreams and a Happy Newbuilding Year to you!
Sincerely,
Peter"full-standing-headroom" Lenihan.............
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:journey
> Gee Peter -
>
> I have to agree with Les Regals. I could not imagine a long
> without excellent wine and food. A couple of berths to lieon...and
> a way to get clean (solar shower?). Hey, wait a minute...I thinkwe
> are describing Micro!You almost caught me there,David and you are most correct that all of
>
> God Bless.
> David Jost
> "sleeping with visions of AS 29's dancing in his head."
this can be equally accomplished with the Queen of the fleet,the
mighty MICRO( I know,I've actually done it)..all except for one itty
bitty detail..........headroom in three distinct cabins:-)
Now,what's all this talk about "sleeping with visions"...? I would
have thought that by know you would have cranked it up a notch or two
and been sleepin' with a model of the AS-29. The experience and
skills you acquired while doing your own Micro "FIREFLY" place you in
a most advantageous position regarding the AS-29. Added to this is
the bonus of Bolgers later tweeking of some design features to render
a still better version of the original boat!
With good room for the kids,tons of storage,privacy for the
adults,plenty of locations for mounting an arsenal of rods and super
shoal draft,you've got yourself a mean cruising/fishing machine. If I
were a fish,I'd be very scared:-)
Sweet Dreams and a Happy Newbuilding Year to you!
Sincerely,
Peter"full-standing-headroom" Lenihan.............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
Gee Peter -
I have to agree with Les Regals. I could not imagine a long journey
without excellent wine and food. A couple of berths to lie on...and
a way to get clean (solar shower?). Hey, wait a minute...I think we
are describing Micro!
God Bless.
David Jost
"sleeping with visions of AS 29's dancing in his head."
Peter
That Les Regles , look real interesting or at least it would if I had any
idea what the hell it said ,
I failed high school French miserably , my French teacher reckoned that with
my Aussie accent any Frenchman would flee in terror at my mangling of his
language , and actually my old mate Marcel reckoned that my trying to speak
French was a assault and a insult to his ears and if I kept trying to speak
it he would have to do me bodily damage
So how about a quick translation ?
David Wallace
That Les Regles , look real interesting or at least it would if I had any
idea what the hell it said ,
I failed high school French miserably , my French teacher reckoned that with
my Aussie accent any Frenchman would flee in terror at my mangling of his
language , and actually my old mate Marcel reckoned that my trying to speak
French was a assault and a insult to his ears and if I kept trying to speak
it he would have to do me bodily damage
So how about a quick translation ?
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:03 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reminder to Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Ye Infallible Rules Regarding Yacht Accommodations
>
> (Revised 1492)
>
> 1. People, when going to sea, have no need for as good food, as
good
> rest, as comfortable places to sit, as much warmth or protection
from
> the elements, as those same people would require ashore.
>
> 2. People who go to sea are six inches shorter than landlubbers,
have
> better padding about their skulls and shins, and are much more
adept
> at climbing, bending, squating, kneeling and crawling.
>
> 3. People who go to sea prefer deprivation. They will put up with
> anything, so long as the boat is salty and has a cute name.
Nels,
Fascinating bit of information there,old sport,however it
appears you are due for a refresher in nautical history.
Broadening ones avenues would have allowed you to come upon the
much copied, but never bettered, works of one gentleman
called,Monsieur Jean-Louis Fesseal'eau Beausoleil,known more formally
as Le Comte de Mesfesse.
Indeed,his most important work was first published in 1924 by
the firm of Purdon,Bercot and Mengin(107 avenue Parementier,Paris
75011) ans was called Le Regles du Douce Passtemps Pour
Gentihomme,latter shortened in subsequent editions to Les Regles.
It is believed that it was this work specifically which
launched the apparent genteel approach to conduct on board racing
sailboats which is often incorrectly attributed to the British.
If I may indulge your gentle nature by inviting you to consider
the following,quoted straight from my own 6th edition copy of Les
Regles:
7) Toute(s) personne qui pretendre de vouloir naviguer sur les
eau de Dieu doit avoir passer du temps sur les petite navire.
7a)Toute(s) personne qui respect les conditionnes si haut
mentioner doit etre accorder tout comfort possible dans leur
deplacement sur les eau de Dieu.
13)Aucune navire doit quité le port sans etre approvisioner de
quantité suffisant,voir important,de tabc,fin vin et d'autre forme de
arrosage.
26) toute navire excédant 8 metres doit etre équiper d'une
douche,salle a manger et,ensuite,un lieu prive pour se reposer la
tête.
26a) Cette lieu pour se reposer la tête doit obligatoirement
posseder une capacité de 2 personnes mais pas plus que 3.
I trust that you will agree that Le Comte had it right the first
time and that to adhere to the somewhat dated references provided by
you can only ensure that the pleasures possible to all who take to
the seas in boats is greatly limited.
Therefore, I encourage you to brush up on your high school
French,beg borrow or steal a copy of Les Regles and experience a new
awakening.......besides,my source is more recent then yours:-D
Sincerely,
Peter"Pierre Le Bartard" Lenihan,about to go on a fast after so much
holiday excess,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence.........
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If you can't enjoy good food and drink after exercise then there isn't any
point to it
David W
point to it
David W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:32 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reminder to Peter Lenihan
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> a kayak , it will breed independence , supply much
> > needed upper body exercise and bring one closer to the sea and
> nature it's
> > self , and work up a bloody good thirst for a Gin and tonic and of
> course a
> > good beer or 10
> >
> > David W
>
>
> See Nels,all is not lost! And to think I will also get some exercise
> in the bargin to boot(God knows I could use some to work off my
> Molson Muscle)......well I'm glad David spoke up so that I'm not just
> some voice in the wilderness extolling the virtues of good drink,good
> food and just a wee bit of exercise.The sporting life,what? :-D
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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>
Nels
There are kayaks suitable for the gentleman with the fuller figure , for a
start there are the CLC Mill Creek series , the 16.5 is one that interests
me and I have plans on the way for it , has a large open cockpit , the Percy
Blandford SOF canoes are another suitable , I built the BK 18 and it works
quite well for my 6'2" and 240 lb frame
It's not just the Young , Lean and mean types who enjoy kayaks , us Middle
aged , cranky and over weight sorts do as well
David W
There are kayaks suitable for the gentleman with the fuller figure , for a
start there are the CLC Mill Creek series , the 16.5 is one that interests
me and I have plans on the way for it , has a large open cockpit , the Percy
Blandford SOF canoes are another suitable , I built the BK 18 and it works
quite well for my 6'2" and 240 lb frame
It's not just the Young , Lean and mean types who enjoy kayaks , us Middle
aged , cranky and over weight sorts do as well
David W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 3:13 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reminder to Peter Lenihan
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
> > See Nels,all is not lost! And to think I will also get some
> exercise
> > in the bargin to boot(God knows I could use some to work off my
> > Molson Muscle)......well I'm glad David spoke up so that I'm not
> just
> > some voice in the wilderness extolling the virtues of good
> drink,good
> > food and just a wee bit of exercise.The sporting life,what? :-D
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Peter Lenihan
>
> All that shows is that there are others verging on the same brink of
> insanity and decadence as you:-)
>
> If Lestat is considered too small and cramped - what makes you think
> you will enjoy a kayak, which one wiggles into like a fat lady trying
> on a size 4 dress? Then trying to maintain balance and look behind
> you at the same time to view the 300 hp jet skiers coming up astern
> hell bent on destruction?
>
> Maybe it would be safer to install a rowing machine in Windermere. At
> least that way you have a place to hang a nice suit:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels (Trying to comprehend roughing it without an icemaker!)
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
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>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
paddling tips and techniques from the after deck,drink firmly in
hand.:-) Having experienced first hand the efforts of 2 kayak coaches
in my youth,I can only say they appeared to be as spent as I after
much running about,jesticulating and shouting while I did my level
best to remain up-right and moving forward.I'll take my recreation in
either the June Bug or perhaps a solo canoe...........
I like the notion of installing a rowing machine but then where will
I put the pool table?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,about to figure out how many laps around the roof top
for an even kilometre.....whew!.....just thinkin' about it is getting
me throat all dry an' thirsty like......:-D
> If Lestat is considered too small and cramped - what makes youthink
> you will enjoy a kayakAt
> Maybe it would be safer to install a rowing machine in Windermere.
> least that way you have a place to hang a nice suit:-)But Nels,the kayak is for my Pesky Crew to use while I offer up
paddling tips and techniques from the after deck,drink firmly in
hand.:-) Having experienced first hand the efforts of 2 kayak coaches
in my youth,I can only say they appeared to be as spent as I after
much running about,jesticulating and shouting while I did my level
best to remain up-right and moving forward.I'll take my recreation in
either the June Bug or perhaps a solo canoe...........
I like the notion of installing a rowing machine but then where will
I put the pool table?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,about to figure out how many laps around the roof top
for an even kilometre.....whew!.....just thinkin' about it is getting
me throat all dry an' thirsty like......:-D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
insanity and decadence as you:-)
If Lestat is considered too small and cramped - what makes you think
you will enjoy a kayak, which one wiggles into like a fat lady trying
on a size 4 dress? Then trying to maintain balance and look behind
you at the same time to view the 300 hp jet skiers coming up astern
hell bent on destruction?
Maybe it would be safer to install a rowing machine in Windermere. At
least that way you have a place to hang a nice suit:-)
Cheers, Nels (Trying to comprehend roughing it without an icemaker!)
> See Nels,all is not lost! And to think I will also get someexercise
> in the bargin to boot(God knows I could use some to work off myjust
> Molson Muscle)......well I'm glad David spoke up so that I'm not
> some voice in the wilderness extolling the virtues of gooddrink,good
> food and just a wee bit of exercise.The sporting life,what? :-DAll that shows is that there are others verging on the same brink of
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan
insanity and decadence as you:-)
If Lestat is considered too small and cramped - what makes you think
you will enjoy a kayak, which one wiggles into like a fat lady trying
on a size 4 dress? Then trying to maintain balance and look behind
you at the same time to view the 300 hp jet skiers coming up astern
hell bent on destruction?
Maybe it would be safer to install a rowing machine in Windermere. At
least that way you have a place to hang a nice suit:-)
Cheers, Nels (Trying to comprehend roughing it without an icemaker!)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
a kayak , it will breed independence , supply much
in the bargin to boot(God knows I could use some to work off my
Molson Muscle)......well I'm glad David spoke up so that I'm not just
some voice in the wilderness extolling the virtues of good drink,good
food and just a wee bit of exercise.The sporting life,what? :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
<swallace@c...> wrote:
a kayak , it will breed independence , supply much
> needed upper body exercise and bring one closer to the sea andnature it's
> self , and work up a bloody good thirst for a Gin and tonic and ofcourse a
> good beer or 10See Nels,all is not lost! And to think I will also get some exercise
>
> David W
in the bargin to boot(God knows I could use some to work off my
Molson Muscle)......well I'm glad David spoke up so that I'm not just
some voice in the wilderness extolling the virtues of good drink,good
food and just a wee bit of exercise.The sporting life,what? :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
complete madness and to ensure that this line remains a very fine
line,with me on the "right" side of it,I've got me a couple of small
boats to build for decorating the roof of Windermere and a kayak(or
canoe) to build for my Pesky Crew.
And besides,Windermere is nothing more then a base camp for all sorts
of skinny water mayhem :-) What,with her mere 12 inch draft,narrow 8
foot beam and storage space up the Ying Yang, I could spend an entire
summer on board and never pass through a single busy channel.Great
for visiting un-inhabited islands,anchoring in otherwise abandoned
coves and for cuddling up to a friendly shoreline beach for a mad
dash to the local beverage store for.....ice!
All those enclosed creature comforts found on board Windermere are
but the just reward for a life mis-spent goofing off on the water in
small boats.For myself,adventure awaits just beyond that nifty anchor
davit up forward on Windermere :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,hoping for an early summer for Nels out on the oceans
of wheat...............
> That's why I am worried for Peter. Sitting there in his brocade armhis
> chair gazing through his brocade drapes and his toes nestled in a
> brocade rug, whilst enhaling from a snifter of some exotic French
> Brandy and notices a small boat with a polytarp sail go by. Will
> eyes light up with joy, or will a hint of a sneer escape hispampered
> lip?Never fear Nels,I'm but a very short hop,skip and a jump from
>
> That's what I worry about:-(
>
> Cheers, Nels
complete madness and to ensure that this line remains a very fine
line,with me on the "right" side of it,I've got me a couple of small
boats to build for decorating the roof of Windermere and a kayak(or
canoe) to build for my Pesky Crew.
And besides,Windermere is nothing more then a base camp for all sorts
of skinny water mayhem :-) What,with her mere 12 inch draft,narrow 8
foot beam and storage space up the Ying Yang, I could spend an entire
summer on board and never pass through a single busy channel.Great
for visiting un-inhabited islands,anchoring in otherwise abandoned
coves and for cuddling up to a friendly shoreline beach for a mad
dash to the local beverage store for.....ice!
All those enclosed creature comforts found on board Windermere are
but the just reward for a life mis-spent goofing off on the water in
small boats.For myself,adventure awaits just beyond that nifty anchor
davit up forward on Windermere :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,hoping for an early summer for Nels out on the oceans
of wheat...............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
Fascinating bit of information there,old sport,however it
appears you are due for a refresher in nautical history.
Broadening ones avenues would have allowed you to come upon the
much copied, but never bettered, works of one gentleman
called,Monsieur Jean-Louis Fesseal'eau Beausoleil,known more formally
as Le Comte de Mesfesse.
Indeed,his most important work was first published in 1924 by
the firm of Purdon,Bercot and Mengin(107 avenue Parementier,Paris
75011) ans was called Le Regles du Douce Passtemps Pour
Gentihomme,latter shortened in subsequent editions to Les Regles.
It is believed that it was this work specifically which
launched the apparent genteel approach to conduct on board racing
sailboats which is often incorrectly attributed to the British.
If I may indulge your gentle nature by inviting you to consider
the following,quoted straight from my own 6th edition copy of Les
Regles:
7) Toute(s) personne qui pretendre de vouloir naviguer sur les
eau de Dieu doit avoir passer du temps sur les petite navire.
7a)Toute(s) personne qui respect les conditionnes si haut
mentioner doit etre accorder tout comfort possible dans leur
deplacement sur les eau de Dieu.
13)Aucune navire doit quité le port sans etre approvisioner de
quantité suffisant,voir important,de tabc,fin vin et d'autre forme de
arrosage.
26) toute navire excédant 8 metres doit etre équiper d'une
douche,salle a manger et,ensuite,un lieu prive pour se reposer la
tête.
26a) Cette lieu pour se reposer la tête doit obligatoirement
posseder une capacité de 2 personnes mais pas plus que 3.
I trust that you will agree that Le Comte had it right the first
time and that to adhere to the somewhat dated references provided by
you can only ensure that the pleasures possible to all who take to
the seas in boats is greatly limited.
Therefore, I encourage you to brush up on your high school
French,beg borrow or steal a copy of Les Regles and experience a new
awakening.......besides,my source is more recent then yours:-D
Sincerely,
Peter"Pierre Le Bartard" Lenihan,about to go on a fast after so much
holiday excess,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence.........
> Ye Infallible Rules Regarding Yacht Accommodationsgood
>
> (Revised 1492)
>
> 1. People, when going to sea, have no need for as good food, as
> rest, as comfortable places to sit, as much warmth or protectionfrom
> the elements, as those same people would require ashore.have
>
> 2. People who go to sea are six inches shorter than landlubbers,
> better padding about their skulls and shins, and are much moreadept
> at climbing, bending, squating, kneeling and crawling.Nels,
>
> 3. People who go to sea prefer deprivation. They will put up with
> anything, so long as the boat is salty and has a cute name.
Fascinating bit of information there,old sport,however it
appears you are due for a refresher in nautical history.
Broadening ones avenues would have allowed you to come upon the
much copied, but never bettered, works of one gentleman
called,Monsieur Jean-Louis Fesseal'eau Beausoleil,known more formally
as Le Comte de Mesfesse.
Indeed,his most important work was first published in 1924 by
the firm of Purdon,Bercot and Mengin(107 avenue Parementier,Paris
75011) ans was called Le Regles du Douce Passtemps Pour
Gentihomme,latter shortened in subsequent editions to Les Regles.
It is believed that it was this work specifically which
launched the apparent genteel approach to conduct on board racing
sailboats which is often incorrectly attributed to the British.
If I may indulge your gentle nature by inviting you to consider
the following,quoted straight from my own 6th edition copy of Les
Regles:
7) Toute(s) personne qui pretendre de vouloir naviguer sur les
eau de Dieu doit avoir passer du temps sur les petite navire.
7a)Toute(s) personne qui respect les conditionnes si haut
mentioner doit etre accorder tout comfort possible dans leur
deplacement sur les eau de Dieu.
13)Aucune navire doit quité le port sans etre approvisioner de
quantité suffisant,voir important,de tabc,fin vin et d'autre forme de
arrosage.
26) toute navire excédant 8 metres doit etre équiper d'une
douche,salle a manger et,ensuite,un lieu prive pour se reposer la
tête.
26a) Cette lieu pour se reposer la tête doit obligatoirement
posseder une capacité de 2 personnes mais pas plus que 3.
I trust that you will agree that Le Comte had it right the first
time and that to adhere to the somewhat dated references provided by
you can only ensure that the pleasures possible to all who take to
the seas in boats is greatly limited.
Therefore, I encourage you to brush up on your high school
French,beg borrow or steal a copy of Les Regles and experience a new
awakening.......besides,my source is more recent then yours:-D
Sincerely,
Peter"Pierre Le Bartard" Lenihan,about to go on a fast after so much
holiday excess,from along the shores of the St.Lawrence.........
Nels
To prevent sailors
from becoming soft compliant sheeplike marina creatures, who sit idle in
their expensive slips, connected to shore you just have to make sure that
their other boat is a kayak , it will breed independence , supply much
needed upper body exercise and bring one closer to the sea and nature it's
self , and work up a bloody good thirst for a Gin and tonic and of course a
good beer or 10
David W
To prevent sailors
from becoming soft compliant sheeplike marina creatures, who sit idle in
their expensive slips, connected to shore you just have to make sure that
their other boat is a kayak , it will breed independence , supply much
needed upper body exercise and bring one closer to the sea and nature it's
self , and work up a bloody good thirst for a Gin and tonic and of course a
good beer or 10
David W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Reminder to Peter Lenihan
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
> <swallace@c...> wrote:
> > Oh , there's rules , I knew there had to be a reason for it , I had
> thought
> > it was because all yacht designers were only 5 ft high and shaped
> like
> > monkeys
> >
> > David Wallace
> >
> Hi David,
>
> Not sure of that - having never met a real yacht designer.
>
> But yes, there HAS to be rules. These are required to prevent sailors
> from becoming soft compliant sheeplike marina creatures, who sit idle
> in their expensive slips, connected to shore - quafting their gin
> and tonics as greedy bureaucrats and marina lords suck the life
> spirit out of them.
>
> That's why I am worried for Peter. Sitting there in his brocade arm
> chair gazing through his brocade drapes and his toes nestled in a
> brocade rug, whilst enhaling from a snifter of some exotic French
> Brandy and notices a small boat with a polytarp sail go by. Will his
> eyes light up with joy, or will a hint of a sneer escape his pampered
> lip?
>
> That's what I worry about:-(
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David & Shirley Wallace"
<swallace@c...> wrote:
Not sure of that - having never met a real yacht designer.
But yes, there HAS to be rules. These are required to prevent sailors
from becoming soft compliant sheeplike marina creatures, who sit idle
in their expensive slips, connected to shore - quafting their gin
and tonics as greedy bureaucrats and marina lords suck the life
spirit out of them.
That's why I am worried for Peter. Sitting there in his brocade arm
chair gazing through his brocade drapes and his toes nestled in a
brocade rug, whilst enhaling from a snifter of some exotic French
Brandy and notices a small boat with a polytarp sail go by. Will his
eyes light up with joy, or will a hint of a sneer escape his pampered
lip?
That's what I worry about:-(
Cheers, Nels
<swallace@c...> wrote:
> Oh , there's rules , I knew there had to be a reason for it , I hadthought
> it was because all yacht designers were only 5 ft high and shapedlike
> monkeysHi David,
>
> David Wallace
>
Not sure of that - having never met a real yacht designer.
But yes, there HAS to be rules. These are required to prevent sailors
from becoming soft compliant sheeplike marina creatures, who sit idle
in their expensive slips, connected to shore - quafting their gin
and tonics as greedy bureaucrats and marina lords suck the life
spirit out of them.
That's why I am worried for Peter. Sitting there in his brocade arm
chair gazing through his brocade drapes and his toes nestled in a
brocade rug, whilst enhaling from a snifter of some exotic French
Brandy and notices a small boat with a polytarp sail go by. Will his
eyes light up with joy, or will a hint of a sneer escape his pampered
lip?
That's what I worry about:-(
Cheers, Nels
Oh , there's rules , I knew there had to be a reason for it , I had thought
it was because all yacht designers were only 5 ft high and shaped like
monkeys
David Wallace
it was because all yacht designers were only 5 ft high and shaped like
monkeys
David Wallace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:09 AM
Subject: [bolger] Reminder to Peter Lenihan
> Ye Infallible Rules Regarding Yacht Accommodations
>
> (Revised 1492)
>
> 1. People, when going to sea, have no need for as good food, as good
> rest, as comfortable places to sit, as much warmth or protection from
> the elements, as those same people would require ashore.
>
> 2. People who go to sea are six inches shorter than landlubbers, have
> better padding about their skulls and shins, and are much more adept
> at climbing, bending, squating, kneeling and crawling.
>
> 3. People who go to sea prefer deprivation. They will put up with
> anything, so long as the boat is salty and has a cute name.
>
> Notice: Any naval architect who designs beyond these rules, shall be
> considered in violation of the ethics and trust of yacht design, and
> said naval architect may be investigated to determine his loyalties
> and/or intents.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
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Ye Infallible Rules Regarding Yacht Accommodations
(Revised 1492)
1. People, when going to sea, have no need for as good food, as good
rest, as comfortable places to sit, as much warmth or protection from
the elements, as those same people would require ashore.
2. People who go to sea are six inches shorter than landlubbers, have
better padding about their skulls and shins, and are much more adept
at climbing, bending, squating, kneeling and crawling.
3. People who go to sea prefer deprivation. They will put up with
anything, so long as the boat is salty and has a cute name.
Notice: Any naval architect who designs beyond these rules, shall be
considered in violation of the ethics and trust of yacht design, and
said naval architect may be investigated to determine his loyalties
and/or intents.
(Revised 1492)
1. People, when going to sea, have no need for as good food, as good
rest, as comfortable places to sit, as much warmth or protection from
the elements, as those same people would require ashore.
2. People who go to sea are six inches shorter than landlubbers, have
better padding about their skulls and shins, and are much more adept
at climbing, bending, squating, kneeling and crawling.
3. People who go to sea prefer deprivation. They will put up with
anything, so long as the boat is salty and has a cute name.
Notice: Any naval architect who designs beyond these rules, shall be
considered in violation of the ethics and trust of yacht design, and
said naval architect may be investigated to determine his loyalties
and/or intents.