Re: Micro Navigator Rigging
Hi Nels
I should clarify; There is no discernable _compressive_ stress on the
battens. In other words there is no force being exerted from the sheetlet
attachment point along the batten towards the jaws. This putative force was
the subject of some previous discussion.
Don is of course right; the sheetlets need to be slacked before turning
downwind. I suspect he'll find as I did that they need only be freed from
their clutch or cleat. Then as the turn is made they will draw out. Once the
main sheet is cleated it is easy to trim the sheetlets.
I've found when gybing that it is possible to shorten the sheetlets enough
before the manouevre to prevent them getting themselves into trouble - I've
been handling the mainsheet though, not gybing all standing.
Really looking forward to hearing and learning from Don and Bruce's sail
experiences...
cheers
Derek
I should clarify; There is no discernable _compressive_ stress on the
battens. In other words there is no force being exerted from the sheetlet
attachment point along the batten towards the jaws. This putative force was
the subject of some previous discussion.
Don is of course right; the sheetlets need to be slacked before turning
downwind. I suspect he'll find as I did that they need only be freed from
their clutch or cleat. Then as the turn is made they will draw out. Once the
main sheet is cleated it is easy to trim the sheetlets.
I've found when gybing that it is possible to shorten the sheetlets enough
before the manouevre to prevent them getting themselves into trouble - I've
been handling the mainsheet though, not gybing all standing.
Really looking forward to hearing and learning from Don and Bruce's sail
experiences...
cheers
Derek
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
Now I see what you mean - that overhang does stick out a lot. I think
that was Susanne's idea;-)
I heard Derek Waters mention that there is not a lot of stress on the
upper battens, and they are flexible, so I wonder how much would it
take to break one? Perhaps have a mark on the leech sheetlet to allow
enough to run free and yet not hang up. Also the mizzen, itself would
offer a bit of shock absorber effect perhaps - making a wooden one
better than one made from pipe.
Also I wonder if the boom could have been a bit longer to clear the
house better with the mainsheet?
Or it might just take some getting used to.
Try not to sail downwind;-)
Nels
> Yes Nels, you are correct, the sheets run down the mizzen, butthey
> have to be very long, because the mainsail swings right out to 90Hi Don,
> degrees. When you turn around to sail downwind, the sheetlets will
> have to be slackened right off before the mainsheet is released, or
> they would break the battens.
Now I see what you mean - that overhang does stick out a lot. I think
that was Susanne's idea;-)
I heard Derek Waters mention that there is not a lot of stress on the
upper battens, and they are flexible, so I wonder how much would it
take to break one? Perhaps have a mark on the leech sheetlet to allow
enough to run free and yet not hang up. Also the mizzen, itself would
offer a bit of shock absorber effect perhaps - making a wooden one
better than one made from pipe.
Also I wonder if the boom could have been a bit longer to clear the
house better with the mainsheet?
Or it might just take some getting used to.
Try not to sail downwind;-)
Nels
Yes Nels, you are correct, the sheets run down the mizzen, but they
have to be very long, because the mainsail swings right out to 90
degrees. When you turn around to sail downwind, the sheetlets will
have to be slackened right off before the mainsheet is released, or
they would break the battens. There are too many controls to do it in
a gradual 'controlled' manner I think. Anyway, the one time it
happened on my driveway, the sheetlets wrapped around the overhang.
DonB
have to be very long, because the mainsail swings right out to 90
degrees. When you turn around to sail downwind, the sheetlets will
have to be slackened right off before the mainsheet is released, or
they would break the battens. There are too many controls to do it in
a gradual 'controlled' manner I think. Anyway, the one time it
happened on my driveway, the sheetlets wrapped around the overhang.
DonB
> Hi Don,
>
> Thanks for the information. Keep the faith, it will all "fall" into
> place. You and Bruce are making history here you know!
>
> Do you not have the sheetlets turning down from the mizzen mast in
> order to remain clear of the cabin? Hard for me to visualize them
> catching on the overhang. But maybe I am missing something obvious.
>
> Good luck, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
Thanks for the information. Keep the faith, it will all "fall" into
place. You and Bruce are making history here you know!
Do you not have the sheetlets turning down from the mizzen mast in
order to remain clear of the cabin? Hard for me to visualize them
catching on the overhang. But maybe I am missing something obvious.
Good luck, Nels
> I noticed when a gust of wind caught my sail, that the mainsailleech
> sheetlets got caught around the side of the rear projecting cabinwithout
> top.....there will be lots to learn and discover.
> I would say that if you are more interested in simply sailing
> fiddling about, the standard LM rig would be hard to beat, at asmall
> cost of lost speed....and much much cheaper.Hi Don,
Thanks for the information. Keep the faith, it will all "fall" into
place. You and Bruce are making history here you know!
Do you not have the sheetlets turning down from the mizzen mast in
order to remain clear of the cabin? Hard for me to visualize them
catching on the overhang. But maybe I am missing something obvious.
Good luck, Nels
The mess. Well we will have to see. Maybe you could have a long
rectangular cover, and lower the whole caboodle down onto it, and zip
the whole lot up as they fall;ropes,sail,blocks,gaff,boom. Probably
most of the lines would sort themselves out if you raised the mast
slowly.
I noticed when a gust of wind caught my sail, that the mainsail leech
sheetlets got caught around the side of the rear projecting cabin
top.....there will be lots to learn and discover.
I would say that if you are more interested in simply sailing without
fiddling about, the standard LM rig would be hard to beat, at a small
cost of lost speed....and much much cheaper.
All my sets of jaws are multiple layers of epoxied ply.
Regards,
Don
rectangular cover, and lower the whole caboodle down onto it, and zip
the whole lot up as they fall;ropes,sail,blocks,gaff,boom. Probably
most of the lines would sort themselves out if you raised the mast
slowly.
I noticed when a gust of wind caught my sail, that the mainsail leech
sheetlets got caught around the side of the rear projecting cabin
top.....there will be lots to learn and discover.
I would say that if you are more interested in simply sailing without
fiddling about, the standard LM rig would be hard to beat, at a small
cost of lost speed....and much much cheaper.
All my sets of jaws are multiple layers of epoxied ply.
Regards,
Don
>
> Hi Don,
>
> No I have no intention of making any changes to Lestat. But a Long
> Micro Navigator is under consideration. LM mast as drawn is 29 feet
> tall - so I was considering that a shorter mast could be used with
> the Chinese lug adaptation. But I can see that folding the LM mast
> down could create quite a tangled mess alright.
>
> I would not plan on moving LM as often as it would be a more long-
> term livaboard. Both FIJI and COL HASLER have Chiness lug rigs with
> fold down masts so I wonder if PCB&F have worked out a system of
> rigging that addresses the mess potential?
>
> The other thing is that the original MICRO rig is so elegant that
> everything else seems complicated by comparison:-) Of course a
> regular gaf rig like on the CHEBACCOS is always another idea,
>
> What did you use for gaff jaws? Looks like some kind of plastic as
> well? Looks quite neat whatever you used.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
No I have no intention of making any changes to Lestat. But a Long
Micro Navigator is under consideration. LM mast as drawn is 29 feet
tall - so I was considering that a shorter mast could be used with
the Chinese lug adaptation. But I can see that folding the LM mast
down could create quite a tangled mess alright.
I would not plan on moving LM as often as it would be a more long-
term livaboard. Both FIJI and COL HASLER have Chiness lug rigs with
fold down masts so I wonder if PCB&F have worked out a system of
rigging that addresses the mess potential?
The other thing is that the original MICRO rig is so elegant that
everything else seems complicated by comparison:-) Of course a
regular gaf rig like on the CHEBACCOS is always another idea,
What did you use for gaff jaws? Looks like some kind of plastic as
well? Looks quite neat whatever you used.
Cheers, Nels
> Thanks Nels.a
> Yes, I have cut down the original mast. Bolgers specified aluminium
> pole would weigh 72.8lbs, which would be ugly to step or unstep in
> slop. The wooden mast weighs 36lb. The battens are glass.Hi Don,
> Think twice before you convert Lestat into a Navigator,the rope and
> gear are endless! And you would not want to trailer her often.
> Oink will be rigged once, and all gear left in place, rolled up and
> tied down between sails.
> DonB
No I have no intention of making any changes to Lestat. But a Long
Micro Navigator is under consideration. LM mast as drawn is 29 feet
tall - so I was considering that a shorter mast could be used with
the Chinese lug adaptation. But I can see that folding the LM mast
down could create quite a tangled mess alright.
I would not plan on moving LM as often as it would be a more long-
term livaboard. Both FIJI and COL HASLER have Chiness lug rigs with
fold down masts so I wonder if PCB&F have worked out a system of
rigging that addresses the mess potential?
The other thing is that the original MICRO rig is so elegant that
everything else seems complicated by comparison:-) Of course a
regular gaf rig like on the CHEBACCOS is always another idea,
What did you use for gaff jaws? Looks like some kind of plastic as
well? Looks quite neat whatever you used.
Cheers, Nels
Thanks Nels.
Yes, I have cut down the original mast. Bolgers specified aluminium
pole would weigh 72.8lbs, which would be ugly to step or unstep in a
slop. The wooden mast weighs 36lb. The battens are glass.
Think twice before you convert Lestat into a Navigator,the rope and
gear are endless! And you would not want to trailer her often.
Oink will be rigged once, and all gear left in place, rolled up and
tied down between sails.
DonB
That set-up looks pretty sharp to me. Is that the original mast you
Yes, I have cut down the original mast. Bolgers specified aluminium
pole would weigh 72.8lbs, which would be ugly to step or unstep in a
slop. The wooden mast weighs 36lb. The battens are glass.
Think twice before you convert Lestat into a Navigator,the rope and
gear are endless! And you would not want to trailer her often.
Oink will be rigged once, and all gear left in place, rolled up and
tied down between sails.
DonB
That set-up looks pretty sharp to me. Is that the original mast you
> are using? Nice looking sail and the battens look great.
>
> Congratulations on an impressive looking little ship!
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
That set-up looks pretty sharp to me. Is that the original mast you
are using? Nice looking sail and the battens look great.
Congratulations on an impressive looking little ship!
Cheers, Nels
> Just to prove there is micro(scopic) progress on this project, Ihave
> posted a photo of the mainsail hoisted, to work out final ropeHi Don,
> lengths etc.
That set-up looks pretty sharp to me. Is that the original mast you
are using? Nice looking sail and the battens look great.
Congratulations on an impressive looking little ship!
Cheers, Nels
Just to prove there is micro(scopic) progress on this project, I have
posted a photo of the mainsail hoisted, to work out final rope
lengths etc.
It is in this Group Photos section, under Micro to........
Pic is rather grey, because I got up soon after daybreak, before the
wind arrived to wipe my sail all over the house.
A tip. I remember someone asking how you see the pictures at their
original size here. First click on the image you want to view. When
the image is on the screen, double click again, and you see it large.
DonB
posted a photo of the mainsail hoisted, to work out final rope
lengths etc.
It is in this Group Photos section, under Micro to........
Pic is rather grey, because I got up soon after daybreak, before the
wind arrived to wipe my sail all over the house.
A tip. I remember someone asking how you see the pictures at their
original size here. First click on the image you want to view. When
the image is on the screen, double click again, and you see it large.
DonB