[bolger] Re: Alternate rig for Teal
>I would also suggest a variation on this called a "Rushton ImprovedGo right ahead - that's why they are there.
>Bailey Batwing" sail. I hope Mr. O'Donnell does not mind me referring
>to one of his drawings:
>
>http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/canoe/rushton_bat/_Rushton_Bat_Sails.html
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/canoe/canoe_files/sailing/
Nels
> I would also suggest a variation on this called a "Rushton Improvedreferring
> Bailey Batwing" sail. I hope Mr. O'Donnell does not mind me
> to one of his drawings:http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/canoe/rushton_bat/
>
>Arghhhh! Try these instead and see more choices!
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/canoe/canoe_files/sailing/
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
Bailey Batwing" sail. I hope Mr. O'Donnell does not mind me referring
to one of his drawings:
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/canoe/rushton_bat/_Rushton_Bat_Sail
s.html
One can be seen in action here:
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/canoe/canoe_files/sailing/tuckin
gb.jpg
The secret is in the mast fitting that slides up and down the
untapered mast.
(No doubt these urls will get chopped by yahoo so you may have to cut
and paste them)
Nels
> Hi Brentwith a
>
> You might try a Solent lug, using the original sail and sprit boom
> mast and yard shorter than the boat.I would also suggest a variation on this called a "Rushton Improved
> cheers
> Derek
Bailey Batwing" sail. I hope Mr. O'Donnell does not mind me referring
to one of his drawings:
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/canoe/rushton_bat/_Rushton_Bat_Sail
s.html
One can be seen in action here:
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/canoe/canoe_files/sailing/tuckin
gb.jpg
The secret is in the mast fitting that slides up and down the
untapered mast.
(No doubt these urls will get chopped by yahoo so you may have to cut
and paste them)
Nels
Hi Brent
You might try a Solent lug, using the original sail and sprit boom with a
mast and yard shorter than the boat. I re-rigged a skiff this way with some
success. If you can get hold of a copy of PCB's "103 rigs..." or its
predecessor "100 rigs..." you will find the rig as number 19. The advantages
of retaining the 'as-designed' sail and boom are probably obvious; no need
to recalculate lead and centres of effort. Once you have capsized the boat
and are swimming around trying to re-board you will really appreciate the
Solent's halyard - righting and reboarding a small boat is much easier with
only the windage of the stubby mast to contend with, IMHO.
cheers
Derek
You might try a Solent lug, using the original sail and sprit boom with a
mast and yard shorter than the boat. I re-rigged a skiff this way with some
success. If you can get hold of a copy of PCB's "103 rigs..." or its
predecessor "100 rigs..." you will find the rig as number 19. The advantages
of retaining the 'as-designed' sail and boom are probably obvious; no need
to recalculate lead and centres of effort. Once you have capsized the boat
and are swimming around trying to re-board you will really appreciate the
Solent's halyard - righting and reboarding a small boat is much easier with
only the windage of the stubby mast to contend with, IMHO.
cheers
Derek
My experience with this rig was with a Gypsy. When there was
insufficient wind there was no problem - just furl the sail and start
rowing. However, when the when the wind piped up things could get
very tense - it is much more difficult if not impossible to get the
sail furled. At least once I went for an involuntary swim because I
was unable to furl the sail. Were I to have another boat with this
rig I think I would rig it with a halyard to enable the sail to be
dowsed quickly and safely.
Romayne
insufficient wind there was no problem - just furl the sail and start
rowing. However, when the when the wind piped up things could get
very tense - it is much more difficult if not impossible to get the
sail furled. At least once I went for an involuntary swim because I
was unable to furl the sail. Were I to have another boat with this
rig I think I would rig it with a halyard to enable the sail to be
dowsed quickly and safely.
Romayne
--- Matthew Lawson wrote:
9 feet. My Teal [at least] includes
the floatation blocks fore and aft
leaving only an 8 foot space in the
cockpit. Three 9 foot long spars &
sail would still not stow 'neatly'
in the Teal. Don't forget, that you
will also want to stow the rudder
and lee board while rowing.
Add another adult, wet dog, cooler,
and you quickly realize that Teal
*IS* a small boat.
FWIW, I found it possible, [and not
even that much of a problem] to row
with my 15'8" mast, sail and sprit
hanging halfway out of my Teal.
In my experience, a bigger problem
is the clumsy issue of mounting the
sprit on the sail, and setting the
snotter, [at the same time] as trying
to hold the tiller, and not cast the
oars overboard, crawling aroung on
my hands and knees in a small tippy
boat sloshing around with powerboat
wakes. I am looking forward to my
1/3rd longer [and 1000% bigger] Micro
Navigator.
> a standing lug. ......with the longest spar just over
9 feet. My Teal [at least] includes
the floatation blocks fore and aft
leaving only an 8 foot space in the
cockpit. Three 9 foot long spars &
sail would still not stow 'neatly'
in the Teal. Don't forget, that you
will also want to stow the rudder
and lee board while rowing.
Add another adult, wet dog, cooler,
and you quickly realize that Teal
*IS* a small boat.
FWIW, I found it possible, [and not
even that much of a problem] to row
with my 15'8" mast, sail and sprit
hanging halfway out of my Teal.
In my experience, a bigger problem
is the clumsy issue of mounting the
sprit on the sail, and setting the
snotter, [at the same time] as trying
to hold the tiller, and not cast the
oars overboard, crawling aroung on
my hands and knees in a small tippy
boat sloshing around with powerboat
wakes. I am looking forward to my
1/3rd longer [and 1000% bigger] Micro
Navigator.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, craig o'donnell <dadadata@f...> wrote:
One thing that this does is help keep the boom from hitting the water
if a sudden gust hits. But it seems to me it would be more effective
than having no boom at all.
Bolger also mentions using a sprit boom, which is self-
vanging, "...but the snotter, and usually a heel lift, will spoil the
simplicity that is the main advantage of the rig."
In the situation you mention with gusty winds and motorboat wakes,
would the balance lug be superior do you think? Or have a parrel on
the boom to allow the boom to be used like a balance lug?
According to Matt Layden, these rigs should only be considered as an
auxillary to oars or paddles or a (motor) and are not really intended
for going hard to weather. Most of the sails are not cut with enough
fullness and therefore lose a lot of their effectiveness when
reaching and running. They will still go up wind, but not like a
sloop.
They are not a performance rig, but for traveling in a relaxed and
low maintenance matter, mostly near shore,where winds might be
flukey, and in a small boat. Being able to strike the rig and re-set
it with minimum hassle factor is probably the main attraction.
Nels
> >Seems to me - the rig with the shortest spars is the standing lug -heavenwards when
> >rig#16.
>
> The problem with a standing lug is that the boom can pivot
> running, so you need to rig the sheet in such a way to provide somevanging
> effect, or you need to use a vang (kicking strap).Hi Craig,
One thing that this does is help keep the boom from hitting the water
if a sudden gust hits. But it seems to me it would be more effective
than having no boom at all.
Bolger also mentions using a sprit boom, which is self-
vanging, "...but the snotter, and usually a heel lift, will spoil the
simplicity that is the main advantage of the rig."
In the situation you mention with gusty winds and motorboat wakes,
would the balance lug be superior do you think? Or have a parrel on
the boom to allow the boom to be used like a balance lug?
According to Matt Layden, these rigs should only be considered as an
auxillary to oars or paddles or a (motor) and are not really intended
for going hard to weather. Most of the sails are not cut with enough
fullness and therefore lose a lot of their effectiveness when
reaching and running. They will still go up wind, but not like a
sloop.
They are not a performance rig, but for traveling in a relaxed and
low maintenance matter, mostly near shore,where winds might be
flukey, and in a small boat. Being able to strike the rig and re-set
it with minimum hassle factor is probably the main attraction.
Nels
Nels and others,
Thanks for the comments. The gripes on Windsprint handling came from
a number of sources. One pointing one was from a fellow who didn't
have a parrel, and so lost control on port tacks. That's easy to
fix. Another was from someone who thought the part of the sail
before the mast interfered with coming around. That may be a matter
of the "balance" of the balance lug, but a jib can be used to push
the bow across the wind. Several owners have noted that the balance
lug design is over-sailed. Another set of reef points would fix
that. My chief concern, however, is that the mast and spars as
designed are all too long to stow inboard beside a rowing seat, and
they cannot be laid outboard along the gunwales because they would
get in the way of oars. Stowing the rig is one of my main concerns.
Earlier I drew a balance lug with spars short enough to stow, and
lost more sail area than I thought I could stand.
The rig I turned to is one that Bolger praises most highly in 103
small boat rigs. Less prone to knockdown and easier to control
twisting of the sail than a loose-footed spritsail. Handling the jib
is my main concern for sailing single-handed, but with a halyard to
the masthead I will be able to drop it from behind the mast. I
mainly like it for the lines and potential for faster sailing.
In the end, yes it is more complex (though the number of spars is the
same) but I think it will improve sailing qualites of the boat. If I
were using a sailboat for fishing, then simple handling would be a
priority, and the standing or balance lug would be better. I figure
that when I'm sailing, I will be SAILING and will want all the
performance I can get.
Nevertheless, I'll take these comments to heart and think hard about
a standing lug. I'll draw again, look at balance, and think how I
could use the same set of spars for a standing lug. Play, play, play.
Thanks to all!
--Matthew
Thanks for the comments. The gripes on Windsprint handling came from
a number of sources. One pointing one was from a fellow who didn't
have a parrel, and so lost control on port tacks. That's easy to
fix. Another was from someone who thought the part of the sail
before the mast interfered with coming around. That may be a matter
of the "balance" of the balance lug, but a jib can be used to push
the bow across the wind. Several owners have noted that the balance
lug design is over-sailed. Another set of reef points would fix
that. My chief concern, however, is that the mast and spars as
designed are all too long to stow inboard beside a rowing seat, and
they cannot be laid outboard along the gunwales because they would
get in the way of oars. Stowing the rig is one of my main concerns.
Earlier I drew a balance lug with spars short enough to stow, and
lost more sail area than I thought I could stand.
The rig I turned to is one that Bolger praises most highly in 103
small boat rigs. Less prone to knockdown and easier to control
twisting of the sail than a loose-footed spritsail. Handling the jib
is my main concern for sailing single-handed, but with a halyard to
the masthead I will be able to drop it from behind the mast. I
mainly like it for the lines and potential for faster sailing.
In the end, yes it is more complex (though the number of spars is the
same) but I think it will improve sailing qualites of the boat. If I
were using a sailboat for fishing, then simple handling would be a
priority, and the standing or balance lug would be better. I figure
that when I'm sailing, I will be SAILING and will want all the
performance I can get.
Nevertheless, I'll take these comments to heart and think hard about
a standing lug. I'll draw again, look at balance, and think how I
could use the same set of spars for a standing lug. Play, play, play.
Thanks to all!
--Matthew
>Seems to me - the rig with the shortest spars is the standing lug -The problem with a standing lug is that the boom can pivot heavenwards when
>rig#16.
running, so you need to rig the sheet in such a way to provide some vanging
effect, or you need to use a vang (kicking strap). I dislike the standing
lug on the CLC Eastport Pram for this reason and I rig it when I sail as a
balanced lug simply by letting the boom sit aside the mast and overlap by a
few inches. In bad puffs while jibing you can wind up with the yard on one
side of the mast and the boom on the other. An ugly mess.This happened to
me several times one day where the wind was variable in direction and puffy
and I was sailing with a lot of motorboat wakes. The wakes would stop the
short and rather light pram at an awkward moment just as the wind shifted.
The Cheap Pages has some wisdom and tricks for small rigs by Conor O'Brien
including some interesting sprit rig variants. The Canoe Sailing Resources
2003 pages has a link to excerpts from an article from the 50s by Percy
Blandford on adding a rig to a dinghy. While a dinghy is not a canoe, his
article is clear and well-illustrated and might give you some further
ideas. I thin' this might be a standing lug. Don't remember
--
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
>Recleating the tack wouldYou can rig a tackline to pullthe tack around behind the mast, but
>be hard in such a small boat
>sailing single handed.
seriously, if you're not able to stand in the bow of a boat without falling
out or capsizing don't put a dipping lug on it.
--
Craig O'Donnell
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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________
Hi Brent,
I have a Jim Michalak "Piccup". He said that he originally drew the
boat with the 59 sq ft leg o mutton rig that is on Teal and that the
centers are the same. I very easily stow the rig in the boat to row,
leaving the short mast up. (I could also pull the mast and put it in
the boat, but am usually too lazy.) It works quite well.
I also put boom jaws on the forward end of the boom to use the rig as
a standing lug. With a swivel set up on the sheet block at the end
of the boom I can quickly reef by pulling the boom jaws aft and
rolling up a reef on the boom, stick the jaws back on the mast and
cleat the downhaul. Simple, fast and sets well.
Reed
I have a Jim Michalak "Piccup". He said that he originally drew the
boat with the 59 sq ft leg o mutton rig that is on Teal and that the
centers are the same. I very easily stow the rig in the boat to row,
leaving the short mast up. (I could also pull the mast and put it in
the boat, but am usually too lazy.) It works quite well.
I also put boom jaws on the forward end of the boom to use the rig as
a standing lug. With a swivel set up on the sheet block at the end
of the boom I can quickly reef by pulling the boom jaws aft and
rolling up a reef on the boom, stick the jaws back on the mast and
cleat the downhaul. Simple, fast and sets well.
Reed
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
and if tacking and reefing were involved I would rather have the
standing lug.
But then I am not much of a racer, being old and decrepit:-)
Nels
> I bet the dipping lug rig would beIt certainly has a cleaner air flow. But given the same mast height
> faster.
and if tacking and reefing were involved I would rather have the
standing lug.
But then I am not much of a racer, being old and decrepit:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
they would re-rig the boat as a standing lug." p. 46 100 Small Boat
Rigs
Perhaps having two mast step locations and a boom would allow both
options? Or even a balanced or Chinese lug to play with:-)
Nels
> Also consider a dipping lug (!)"Sometimes when the crew of a dipping lug grew aged and decrepit,
> experiment out of polytarp.
>
> Recleating the tack would
> be hard in such a small boat
> sailing single handed.
they would re-rig the boat as a standing lug." p. 46 100 Small Boat
Rigs
Perhaps having two mast step locations and a boom would allow both
options? Or even a balanced or Chinese lug to play with:-)
Nels
--- Nels wrote:
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/slug.gif
...for quickie dimensions.
The standing lug rig would have the
advantage over the dipping lug, for
better openness in the cockpit for
rowing, as the mast partner needs to
be moved less distance aft.
I bet the dipping lug rig would be
faster.
> standing lug -See:
> rig#16.
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/slug.gif
...for quickie dimensions.
The standing lug rig would have the
advantage over the dipping lug, for
better openness in the cockpit for
rowing, as the mast partner needs to
be moved less distance aft.
I bet the dipping lug rig would be
faster.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Minchey" <bminchey@b...> wrote:
Seems to me - the rig with the shortest spars is the standing lug -
rig#16.
Matt Layden, who designed Paradox and is a great student of Bolger
uses this rig from 8 square feet up to 120 and feels it is the best
all around small boat rig. (He has tried several.) On the smaller
ones he reefs simply by slacking the halyard a bit. pulling back on
the boom until the jaws are free and rolling up the sail around the
boom. On his "bigger" boats like Paradox he uses a roller reefing
system where the boom stays attached. Like an inverted window blind:-)
The standing lug mast is further forward than the other luggers,
which actually gives more space in the cockpit, but perhaps works
best on a plumb stemmed boat - like Paradox. This can also be an
advantage when paddling and sailing as the mast is out of the way.
Everybody who see this thinks it is very crude, yet everyone who uses
it loves it.
He won the Watertribe Everglades Challenge by almost a day in his
Paradox. At the Michigan Challenge he came in second in class with
his 8 square foot rig. A Hobie won that race and a sea kayak came
second. Layden used a 10 foot inflatable kayak with an 8 sqare foot
lug rig. The maximum size allowed is 10 sqare feet and no leeboards
are allowed. He sailed using his paddle as a leeboard.
Cheers, Nels
>to put a
> I
> sure wish the rig was more stowable; It's hard to find a good place
> 16' mast in a 12' boat.if you
>
> The other issue is reefing. Bolger says don't, on the theory that
> need to reef in a Teal, you're in the wrong boat and should rowhome.
Seems to me - the rig with the shortest spars is the standing lug -
rig#16.
Matt Layden, who designed Paradox and is a great student of Bolger
uses this rig from 8 square feet up to 120 and feels it is the best
all around small boat rig. (He has tried several.) On the smaller
ones he reefs simply by slacking the halyard a bit. pulling back on
the boom until the jaws are free and rolling up the sail around the
boom. On his "bigger" boats like Paradox he uses a roller reefing
system where the boom stays attached. Like an inverted window blind:-)
The standing lug mast is further forward than the other luggers,
which actually gives more space in the cockpit, but perhaps works
best on a plumb stemmed boat - like Paradox. This can also be an
advantage when paddling and sailing as the mast is out of the way.
Everybody who see this thinks it is very crude, yet everyone who uses
it loves it.
He won the Watertribe Everglades Challenge by almost a day in his
Paradox. At the Michigan Challenge he came in second in class with
his 8 square foot rig. A Hobie won that race and a sea kayak came
second. Layden used a 10 foot inflatable kayak with an 8 sqare foot
lug rig. The maximum size allowed is 10 sqare feet and no leeboards
are allowed. He sailed using his paddle as a leeboard.
Cheers, Nels
Also consider a dipping lug (!)
experiment out of polytarp.
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/lug.gif
It would require an added partner,
which might ruin it for rowing,
except you could row backwards.
Recleating the tack would
be hard in such a small boat
sailing single handed.
experiment out of polytarp.
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/lug.gif
It would require an added partner,
which might ruin it for rowing,
except you could row backwards.
Recleating the tack would
be hard in such a small boat
sailing single handed.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Lawson <mlawson@t...> wrote:
rigging is not stowable inboard.
Hi Matthew,
Don't know where all the gripes are coming from? The sail as designed
has two sets of reef points, if cut properly will point as well as
most small boat rigs and it does stow inboard. Of course you could
make the mast and sail shorter and give up a lot of light air
performance.
The one design feature I would consider is the daggerboard if you are
sailing in shallow water a lot. It would make me nervous about
hitting something, having had a boat with one.
Your sailrig design sketches look very good to me. It is quite a bit
more complicated IMO.
Personally I love the original rig and the lateen variation (See
Zephyr and Featherwind.) for handiness and simplicity.
Cheers, Nels
> The gripes with the balance lug as designed is that there is toomuch sail, that it doesn't point as well as it might, and that the
rigging is not stowable inboard.
Hi Matthew,
Don't know where all the gripes are coming from? The sail as designed
has two sets of reef points, if cut properly will point as well as
most small boat rigs and it does stow inboard. Of course you could
make the mast and sail shorter and give up a lot of light air
performance.
The one design feature I would consider is the daggerboard if you are
sailing in shallow water a lot. It would make me nervous about
hitting something, having had a boat with one.
Your sailrig design sketches look very good to me. It is quite a bit
more complicated IMO.
Personally I love the original rig and the lateen variation (See
Zephyr and Featherwind.) for handiness and simplicity.
Cheers, Nels
If you have a copy of 103 Sailing Rigs, take a look at rig # 25, spritsail
with sprit boom. I had some success with this rig on my Gypsy. I say SOME
success because I made the sail too baggy. But I intend to try it again. I
was able to carry 72 sq. ft. of sail on a 12 ft. mast. Bolger shows 93 sq.
ft., but I used shorter spars on my experimental tyvek sail. The sprit boom
reduces the tendency to death roll that the traditional spritsail rig is
prone to on small boats. It also allows for instant reduction of sail in a
pinch, by dropping the sprit (upper spar). Admittedly not a pretty sight,
with the top outside quarter of your sail flapping in the breeze, but you're
left with a significantly reduced and easily controlable, low profile sprit
boom rig to get you home. This rig, like the sprit boom rig (standard rig
for Teal, Surf, June Bug, etc) gives safety to skipper and crew in a jibe by
wacking you in the side of the head with nothing more rigid than the foot of
your sail, assuming you aren't standing or in a kneeling-up position while
under way. Safety would be my main concern about the balance lug in Teal.
Even though teal is technically a miniature Wind Sprint, the latter does
allow much more ducking room than Teal. Someone in the group may recall what
issue of Wooden Boat featured an article on simplifying the handling of the
traditional spritsail.
I'm sure there are a number of other options, but the spritsail with sprit
boom is one I've experimented with. Images of Teal on a Tennessee lake is a
lovely thought here on the frosty shores of Fundy. Good luck.
jeb
with sprit boom. I had some success with this rig on my Gypsy. I say SOME
success because I made the sail too baggy. But I intend to try it again. I
was able to carry 72 sq. ft. of sail on a 12 ft. mast. Bolger shows 93 sq.
ft., but I used shorter spars on my experimental tyvek sail. The sprit boom
reduces the tendency to death roll that the traditional spritsail rig is
prone to on small boats. It also allows for instant reduction of sail in a
pinch, by dropping the sprit (upper spar). Admittedly not a pretty sight,
with the top outside quarter of your sail flapping in the breeze, but you're
left with a significantly reduced and easily controlable, low profile sprit
boom rig to get you home. This rig, like the sprit boom rig (standard rig
for Teal, Surf, June Bug, etc) gives safety to skipper and crew in a jibe by
wacking you in the side of the head with nothing more rigid than the foot of
your sail, assuming you aren't standing or in a kneeling-up position while
under way. Safety would be my main concern about the balance lug in Teal.
Even though teal is technically a miniature Wind Sprint, the latter does
allow much more ducking room than Teal. Someone in the group may recall what
issue of Wooden Boat featured an article on simplifying the handling of the
traditional spritsail.
I'm sure there are a number of other options, but the spritsail with sprit
boom is one I've experimented with. Images of Teal on a Tennessee lake is a
lovely thought here on the frosty shores of Fundy. Good luck.
jeb
>
Ah, had to post the cartoon on Bolger2, under "Windsprint Alternate
Rig".
--Matt Lawson
Rig".
--Matt Lawson
I've been tinkering with a rig re-design for a Windsprint to get away from some of the gripes others have made of it. I plan to build the sail rig this winter, which I can do indoors, then build the hull when it warms up so I can get the whole thing in the water faster. I like the Windsprint because it is similar to drift-boats and I want to row it on the Delaware and local canoe streams as well as sail on the coast.
The gripes with the balance lug as designed is that there is too much sail, that it doesn't point as well as it might, and that the rigging is not stowable inboard.
Following advice in Bolger's 103 Small Boat Rigs and lots of looking at other rigs, I've worked up a small jib (22 sf) and sprit-sail main (70 sf). 11' mast, 11' sprit, both stow inboard. Instead of loose-footed, I'm building a 9' sprit boom. I've got bamboo curing for the sprit and boom but they may not work. Following a Bolger suggestion, I've got a reef for the main worked out by removing the sprit and then folding down the luff and
lashing an appropriate reefing point to the mast. This re-configures the main to be like the standard Gypsy/Teal spritsail. I've caclulated CE for all sail configurations and all are within or close to limits of lead of centers for sharpies (mast moved aft of design by about 4"). Nevertheless I'm worried about balance and so will rig a moveable mast footiing (Optimist class racers use a vertical pin on a lateral thumbscrew, but I'll make my
own using track for setting up shop jigs). Oh. Sails of polytarp.
I'll post my cartoon and would be pleased if more knowledgable folk would comment.
I think the rig would work for a Teal, as long as you are careful about balance.
--Matt Lawson
Trenton, NJ
The gripes with the balance lug as designed is that there is too much sail, that it doesn't point as well as it might, and that the rigging is not stowable inboard.
Following advice in Bolger's 103 Small Boat Rigs and lots of looking at other rigs, I've worked up a small jib (22 sf) and sprit-sail main (70 sf). 11' mast, 11' sprit, both stow inboard. Instead of loose-footed, I'm building a 9' sprit boom. I've got bamboo curing for the sprit and boom but they may not work. Following a Bolger suggestion, I've got a reef for the main worked out by removing the sprit and then folding down the luff and
lashing an appropriate reefing point to the mast. This re-configures the main to be like the standard Gypsy/Teal spritsail. I've caclulated CE for all sail configurations and all are within or close to limits of lead of centers for sharpies (mast moved aft of design by about 4"). Nevertheless I'm worried about balance and so will rig a moveable mast footiing (Optimist class racers use a vertical pin on a lateral thumbscrew, but I'll make my
own using track for setting up shop jigs). Oh. Sails of polytarp.
I'll post my cartoon and would be pleased if more knowledgable folk would comment.
I think the rig would work for a Teal, as long as you are careful about balance.
--Matt Lawson
Trenton, NJ
>So, has anyone put a stowable reefable (and still simple) rig on a Teal?A balanced lug would be a rig using a shorter mast.
>I'm not looking to be a pioneer here, so maybe the answer is to just order
>Payson's sail, get the Teal in the water and start planning the next boat.
>
>-Brent
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hi Brent
i too have thought about an alternative rig for Teal, and am in
process of making a balanced lug - shorter mast, easier stowage, reef
points in sail.
lets see how we get on
regards, Howard
i too have thought about an alternative rig for Teal, and am in
process of making a balanced lug - shorter mast, easier stowage, reef
points in sail.
lets see how we get on
regards, Howard
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Minchey" <bminchey@b...> wrote:
>
> Life keeps getting in the way of building my "instant" Teal, but
I've got
> the shoe and skeg on and I'm ready to flip her back over and get
the mast
> step and partner installed.
>
> Bolger's sail choice seems to be based on a better sailing
environment than
> I'm going to have. I built the boat to sail (mostly because I
realized that
> I had eight boats and nothing wind-powered), but facing facts,
there will be
> a lot of rowing opportunities in the mountain lakes of East
Tennessee. I
> sure wish the rig was more stowable; It's hard to find a good place
to put a
> 16' mast in a 12' boat.
>
> The other issue is reefing. Bolger says don't, on the theory that
if you
> need to reef in a Teal, you're in the wrong boat and should row
home. Well
> and good on the coast, but it's hard to scare up a half mile of
fetch here
> and waves just don't happen. I'd prefer to make use of windy days
when I
> can get them. This weekend my houseboat was being batted around in
a cove
> by a 18 kt breeze gusting into the high 20s with the surface barely
> rippling. I was really wishing I had the Teal finished so I could
go play.
>
> So, has anyone put a stowable reefable (and still simple) rig on a
Teal?
> I'm not looking to be a pioneer here, so maybe the answer is to
just order
> Payson's sail, get the Teal in the water and start planning the
next boat.
>
> -Brent
>
> ---
>
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Life keeps getting in the way of building my "instant" Teal, but I've got
the shoe and skeg on and I'm ready to flip her back over and get the mast
step and partner installed.
Bolger's sail choice seems to be based on a better sailing environment than
I'm going to have. I built the boat to sail (mostly because I realized that
I had eight boats and nothing wind-powered), but facing facts, there will be
a lot of rowing opportunities in the mountain lakes of East Tennessee. I
sure wish the rig was more stowable; It's hard to find a good place to put a
16' mast in a 12' boat.
The other issue is reefing. Bolger says don't, on the theory that if you
need to reef in a Teal, you're in the wrong boat and should row home. Well
and good on the coast, but it's hard to scare up a half mile of fetch here
and waves just don't happen. I'd prefer to make use of windy days when I
can get them. This weekend my houseboat was being batted around in a cove
by a 18 kt breeze gusting into the high 20s with the surface barely
rippling. I was really wishing I had the Teal finished so I could go play.
So, has anyone put a stowable reefable (and still simple) rig on a Teal?
I'm not looking to be a pioneer here, so maybe the answer is to just order
Payson's sail, get the Teal in the water and start planning the next boat.
-Brent
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the shoe and skeg on and I'm ready to flip her back over and get the mast
step and partner installed.
Bolger's sail choice seems to be based on a better sailing environment than
I'm going to have. I built the boat to sail (mostly because I realized that
I had eight boats and nothing wind-powered), but facing facts, there will be
a lot of rowing opportunities in the mountain lakes of East Tennessee. I
sure wish the rig was more stowable; It's hard to find a good place to put a
16' mast in a 12' boat.
The other issue is reefing. Bolger says don't, on the theory that if you
need to reef in a Teal, you're in the wrong boat and should row home. Well
and good on the coast, but it's hard to scare up a half mile of fetch here
and waves just don't happen. I'd prefer to make use of windy days when I
can get them. This weekend my houseboat was being batted around in a cove
by a 18 kt breeze gusting into the high 20s with the surface barely
rippling. I was really wishing I had the Teal finished so I could go play.
So, has anyone put a stowable reefable (and still simple) rig on a Teal?
I'm not looking to be a pioneer here, so maybe the answer is to just order
Payson's sail, get the Teal in the water and start planning the next boat.
-Brent
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