Re: [bolger] Re: Which Box?

In a message dated 1/15/04 12:40:12 PM Central Standard Time,
bruce@...writes:

<< -- "pvanderwaart" wrote:

>> Other boats to consider would be the
>> plywood 12 1/2 and the Lynx catboat.

>Another would be 'Fancy', design 394

with 725 lbs of ballast.

>c
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2000/Truancy-2.jpg

>*That* is a pretty day sailer!

Yes it is. BTW, is the powerboat behind it in:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2000/Truancy-1.jpg
a Devlin Surfscoter????

Earl Gasner
gasner@...

> 'Fancy', design 394
> with 725 lbs of ballast.

Sorry, Fancy has no ballast,
and 725 lbs displacement,
still she is pretty. Another
picture can be seen on the
'wraps' cover of 30-Odd Boats.

--- "pvanderwaart" wrote:

> Other boats to consider would be the
> plywood 12 1/2 and the Lynx catboat.

Another would be 'Fancy', design 394
with 725 lbs of ballast.

http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2000/Truancy-1.jpg
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2000/Truancy-2.jpg

*That* is a pretty day sailer!

Not to stray too far off topic -- so please respond to me directly
mailto:dadadata@...--

I am thinking of writing about the "influence" of Howard Chapelle's
"American Small Sailing Craft".

What I want to know is, have you built a boat from the many plans in that
book? Know someone who has? Know of adaptations (Jim Michalak's Plywood
Garvey Box, for example) or commercial boats (Crawford's Melonseed comes to
mind though it's not clear that it came from the actual plan in the book) .

Thanks much.
--
Craig O'Donnell
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_________________________________

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-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________

Dan Gonneau is selling his Long Micro. He may be of some help.
http://www.znw.com/homepage/forsale.html

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pccinboat" <pcc@c...> wrote:

> Hence I have been considering larger boxes i.e. the Matha Jane and
Long
> Micro.
>
> Those who have sailed any of these in rough conditions might be
able to
> shed some light on my dilema.

> PCB writes: "...with her deep, easy bow,
> great momentum, and longboomed gaff rig,
> she's much better able to cope with the
> plague of motorboat wakes in light weather
> than lighter boats with more modern-looking
> rigs"

This is one of those PCB statements that takes a little thought to
understand. In fact, I am not sure I do. My first reaction on
thinking about the post was that having a long gaff and boom sent
flailing about by a succession of wakes was not very conducive to
forward progress or peace of mind. However, perhaps he is suggesting
that as a gaff sloop, Monhegan has more sail area in her basic rig
and is less dependent on light sails (i.e. spinnakers and reachers).
Flying a spin from a bouncing boat in a breath of wind is tedious.

Certainly one of the advantages of a complex hull shape over a box
shape is less wetted surface, although I'm not sure that Monhegan is
exemplary in that regard. Other boats to consider would be the
plywood 12 1/2 and the Lynx catboat. I wonder if PCB ever considered
a cuddy cabin version of Seabord '86.

I was not sure what wind strength was part of the original picture.
Perhaps light air is not a major consideration.

Peter

--- craig o'donnell wrote:

> But almost any small boat will
> get bounced around by motoboat wakes.
> Perhaps not a Herreshoff 12-1/2 or
> Buzzards Bay 15.

Or, a Bolger Monhegan, a 'modernized'
18' Friendship Sloop.

PCB writes: "...with her deep, easy bow,
great momentum, and longboomed gaff rig,
she's much better able to cope with the
plague of motorboat wakes in light weather
than lighter boats with more modern-looking
rigs"

http://hallman.org/bolger/237/

In short, ...fine lines and lots of ballast
is better than a low mass box boat; if your
goal is to minimize sloshing around in
motorboat wakes.

Monhegan has 700 lbs interior ballast
[scrap iron cast in concrete] on 18 feet
length and 7 feet width.] PCB's design,
though complex, shows careful thought and
would be achievable for a dedicated home
builder.

>I recently sailed on John Mann's excellent Micro. I have admired the Micro for
>a long time and the excursion confirmed my enthusiasm for it. Having built the
>Clam Skiff shelter version (shown in the photos - I will update then
>presently!)
>and a Tortoise Punt I am keen to build again.
>
>However, I sail in the roughest of harbours (thanks to power boats) and have
>a small family who are not entirely keen on getting bumped around or wet!
>Hence I have been considering larger boxes i.e. the Matha Jane and Long
>Micro.
>
>Those who have sailed any of these in rough conditions might be able to
>shed some light on my dilema.

You won't get wet in a Birdwatcher (23ft). But almost any small boat will
get bounced around by motoboto wakes. Perhaps not a Herreshoff 12-1/2 or
Buzzards Bay 15.
--
Craig O'Donnell
Sinepuxent Ancestors & Boats
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fassitt/>
The Proa FAQ <http://boat-links.com/proafaq.html>
The Cheap Pages <http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/>
Sailing Canoes, Polytarp Sails, Bamboo, Chinese Junks,
American Proas, the Bolger Boat Honor Roll,
Plywood Boats, Bamboo Rafts, &c.
_________________________________

-- Professor of Boatology -- Junkomologist
-- Macintosh kinda guy
Friend of Wanda the Wonder Cat, 1991-1997.
_________________________________

I recently sailed on John Mann's excellent Micro. I have admired the Micro for
a long time and the excursion confirmed my enthusiasm for it. Having built the
Clam Skiff shelter version (shown in the photos - I will update then presently!)
and a Tortoise Punt I am keen to build again.

However, I sail in the roughest of harbours (thanks to power boats) and have
a small family who are not entirely keen on getting bumped around or wet!
Hence I have been considering larger boxes i.e. the Matha Jane and Long
Micro.

Those who have sailed any of these in rough conditions might be able to
shed some light on my dilema.