Re: Japanese Beach Cruiser Anyone?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
human powered craft, where relativley small amounts of power are
available.
My generalized statements were only an attempt to perhaps explain why
some boats are not being built. For example if one were only planning
to enjoy some laid back simple sailing around the local lake, then
TEAL would probably work just as well as SPURII, although it would
not look nearly as beautiful on a WB cover.
building a boat is to create an "all-time" masterpiece, then don't
start with a TEAL.
Bolger's challenge is often to take a design of his that was drawn so
a person with limited building skills could create a vessel that
could be on equal footing with manufactured vessels many times the
cost. He therefore sees little point in trying to turn his designs
into gold platers - simply because you will never get a fair return
on your investment. However there are other designs were it is more
appropriate.
It makes me very sad to see the Lapstrake Chebacco that is for sale
on Richard's site. I think the builder has spent about 2000 hours on
it and is offering it for only a fraction of it's value. I would love
to own such a boat, yet I would be very reluctant to actually use it.
It is more to be admired and stroked and fondled than actually
exposed to the viscitudes of Mother Nature. As a work of art it
should be on display for everyone to admire, as a prime example of
craftsmanship.
Yet it is a relatively simple plywood daysailer!
Cheers, Nels
> As a builder/rower of a Teal and a Spur II,Yes - I totally agree with your experience and it is true for all
> I disagree. Spur II rows vastly better
> than Teal, better than the slight difference
> in waterline lengths would suggest. Plus, the
> pure art of Spur II's curves is worth the cost.
human powered craft, where relativley small amounts of power are
available.
My generalized statements were only an attempt to perhaps explain why
some boats are not being built. For example if one were only planning
to enjoy some laid back simple sailing around the local lake, then
TEAL would probably work just as well as SPURII, although it would
not look nearly as beautiful on a WB cover.
>I would agree wholeheartedly. And if your prime motivation for
> [Curvatious] Rozinante and [boxy] Burgandy
> are another example and PCB compares the two
> elegantly:
>
> "There's a catch. Rozinante is one
> of the all-time masterpieces of art.
> For visual satisfactions, three
> Burgundy's don't equal one Rozinante.
> ... I think Rozinante is worth what
> she costs. But for somebody who doesn't
> have the price of a Rubens original,
> there may be some merit in a Playboy
> centerfold."
building a boat is to create an "all-time" masterpiece, then don't
start with a TEAL.
Bolger's challenge is often to take a design of his that was drawn so
a person with limited building skills could create a vessel that
could be on equal footing with manufactured vessels many times the
cost. He therefore sees little point in trying to turn his designs
into gold platers - simply because you will never get a fair return
on your investment. However there are other designs were it is more
appropriate.
It makes me very sad to see the Lapstrake Chebacco that is for sale
on Richard's site. I think the builder has spent about 2000 hours on
it and is offering it for only a fraction of it's value. I would love
to own such a boat, yet I would be very reluctant to actually use it.
It is more to be admired and stroked and fondled than actually
exposed to the viscitudes of Mother Nature. As a work of art it
should be on display for everyone to admire, as a prime example of
craftsmanship.
Yet it is a relatively simple plywood daysailer!
Cheers, Nels
--- Nels wrote:
I disagree. Spur II rows vastly better
than Teal, better than the slight difference
in waterline lengths would suggest. Plus, the
pure art of Spur II's curves is worth the cost.
[Curvatious] Rozinante and [boxy] Burgandy
are another example and PCB compares the two
elegantly:
"There's a catch. Rozinante is one
of the all-time masterpieces of art.
For visual satisfactions, three
Burgundy's don't equal one Rozinante.
... I think Rozinante is worth what
she costs. But for somebody who doesn't
have the price of a Rubens original,
there may be some merit in a Playboy
centerfold."
> Once you are actually in the boatAs a builder/rower of a Teal and a Spur II,
> and the boat is in the water - what
> the hull looks like becomes rather
> irrelevant.
I disagree. Spur II rows vastly better
than Teal, better than the slight difference
in waterline lengths would suggest. Plus, the
pure art of Spur II's curves is worth the cost.
[Curvatious] Rozinante and [boxy] Burgandy
are another example and PCB compares the two
elegantly:
"There's a catch. Rozinante is one
of the all-time masterpieces of art.
For visual satisfactions, three
Burgundy's don't equal one Rozinante.
... I think Rozinante is worth what
she costs. But for somebody who doesn't
have the price of a Rubens original,
there may be some merit in a Playboy
centerfold."
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@y...>
wrote:
Yes, I have been rather baffled by the seeming lack of actual
examples of this nice looking design, as well as SUPERMOUSE. (Notice
that JBC is all in metric!)
Part of the explanation may be clarified when viewing Bill's photos
of LONG MICRO construction. As well as looking at the Michalak site.
For the same amount of time it would take to create the patterns,
strongback and whatnot from the offsets, you could have the hull
built for an OLDSHOE, MICRO, LONG MICRO IMB JB(JEWEL BOX).
In addition, with the box boats you end up with more usable interior
space than with the more complicated hull shapes of SUPERMOUSE and
JBC.
I would expect therefore that the only compelling reason for building
them would be for a nicer looking hull shape and perhaps some
advantage in performance due to less wetted area which is not really
a factor in non-racing hulls anyway - even if they "look faster".
Once you are actually in the boat and the boat is in the water - what
the hull looks like becomes rather irrelevant. And besides you are
out sailing while the builders of the more complicated boats are
still working on them.
Cheeers, Nels
wrote:
> I recently picked up a copy of BWAOM and for some reason I haveHi Rob,
> latched onto the idea of building the Japanese Beach Crusier. It
> appeals to me partly because it looks like a relatively "big" 12
> footer.
>
Yes, I have been rather baffled by the seeming lack of actual
examples of this nice looking design, as well as SUPERMOUSE. (Notice
that JBC is all in metric!)
Part of the explanation may be clarified when viewing Bill's photos
of LONG MICRO construction. As well as looking at the Michalak site.
For the same amount of time it would take to create the patterns,
strongback and whatnot from the offsets, you could have the hull
built for an OLDSHOE, MICRO, LONG MICRO IMB JB(JEWEL BOX).
In addition, with the box boats you end up with more usable interior
space than with the more complicated hull shapes of SUPERMOUSE and
JBC.
I would expect therefore that the only compelling reason for building
them would be for a nicer looking hull shape and perhaps some
advantage in performance due to less wetted area which is not really
a factor in non-racing hulls anyway - even if they "look faster".
Once you are actually in the boat and the boat is in the water - what
the hull looks like becomes rather irrelevant. And besides you are
out sailing while the builders of the more complicated boats are
still working on them.
Cheeers, Nels
I've never seen pictures of the Japanese Beach Cruiser, but I too have
admired it.
The closest thing I've actually seen is Jim Michalak's IMB. There's a
nice article in JM's newsletter about the IMB and the capsize test
done on it.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1dec03.htm#IMB%20Capsize%20Test
Bill
admired it.
The closest thing I've actually seen is Jim Michalak's IMB. There's a
nice article in JM's newsletter about the IMB and the capsize test
done on it.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/1dec03.htm#IMB%20Capsize%20Test
Bill
--- Rob Mouradian wrote:
list of dream boats to build next.
Small is better.
I have never heard of one being
built, but being as there is enough
information in BWAOM to build one,
I would be surprised if there were not
a few of them built.
Supermouse is another similar sized
and shaped little big boat, with a
slot top cabin.
> the Japanese Beach Crusier.I agree, the JBC is on my short
list of dream boats to build next.
Small is better.
I have never heard of one being
built, but being as there is enough
information in BWAOM to build one,
I would be surprised if there were not
a few of them built.
Supermouse is another similar sized
and shaped little big boat, with a
slot top cabin.
I'd like to heare more also. I've also posted a tennessee question and wonder if anyone w/exper. has a response.
Don
Rob Mouradian <r_mouradian@...> wrote:
I recently picked up a copy of BWAOM and for some reason I have
latched onto the idea of building the Japanese Beach Crusier. It
appeals to me partly because it looks like a relatively "big" 12
footer.
I may loose interest before I ever get to it since I aleady have a
canoe project going. But, just out of curiosity, does anyone have
any experience with this design. I could find almost nothing on the
WW Web.
Thanks,
Rob
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Don
Rob Mouradian <r_mouradian@...> wrote:
I recently picked up a copy of BWAOM and for some reason I have
latched onto the idea of building the Japanese Beach Crusier. It
appeals to me partly because it looks like a relatively "big" 12
footer.
I may loose interest before I ever get to it since I aleady have a
canoe project going. But, just out of curiosity, does anyone have
any experience with this design. I could find almost nothing on the
WW Web.
Thanks,
Rob
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I recently picked up a copy of BWAOM and for some reason I have
latched onto the idea of building the Japanese Beach Crusier. It
appeals to me partly because it looks like a relatively "big" 12
footer.
I may loose interest before I ever get to it since I aleady have a
canoe project going. But, just out of curiosity, does anyone have
any experience with this design. I could find almost nothing on the
WW Web.
Thanks,
Rob
latched onto the idea of building the Japanese Beach Crusier. It
appeals to me partly because it looks like a relatively "big" 12
footer.
I may loose interest before I ever get to it since I aleady have a
canoe project going. But, just out of curiosity, does anyone have
any experience with this design. I could find almost nothing on the
WW Web.
Thanks,
Rob