Re: obsessive costing(was tennessee etc.......)
Well, 3D CAD lets you do a LOT of that stuff you mention, tho even a
notebook computer probably won't float in the bathtub. The 3D CAD is
probably even better when it comes to making things fit. And it's very
easy to spin it around to look at different parts, take a cross section,
etc.
Lincoln Ross
looking for a job doing just that sort of thing
notebook computer probably won't float in the bathtub. The 3D CAD is
probably even better when it comes to making things fit. And it's very
easy to spin it around to look at different parts, take a cross section,
etc.
Lincoln Ross
looking for a job doing just that sort of thing
> From: "Peter Lenihan" wrote:snip
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
>
>
>>> You explore everything in 3D when building a CAD model...
>>>
>>> And best of all, it was free
>>>
>>> Later,
>>> Jon
>>
>>
>Hi Jon,
> Sure,I saw that,and being a visual sort of guy I really think
>it is neat that you can do that but......I'm also a touchy feely
>sorta guy and no amount of art work can beat the touch of the real
>thing(model) up close and personal.
>
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:25:05 -0000, "Peter Lenihan"
<lestat@...> wrote:
directly from my CAD package, to scale on cardstock, and then cut them out
and taped it together. It looks pretty nice, all in all...
If you really must see :-), I'll take a pic of the model and stick it up on
my website.
Now that I'm more or less done planning the boat building, I'm back to
working on my autonomous submarine MicroSeeker (http://www.huv.com). I've
machined new end caps, and am re-configuring it to be a more standard
torpedo-type AUV, with dive planes in the front, rudders in the rear, and a
single thruster.
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Hylands Jon@... http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
<lestat@...> wrote:
> And,you could print-out all your components,to scale,andYeah, I've done that, and it works pretty well. I printed the panels
> actually see just how well the model(eventually full sized) will go
> together and if there are any booboos with your CAD
> images/plans.Between now and April is plenty of time for modelling
> fun:-)
directly from my CAD package, to scale on cardstock, and then cut them out
and taped it together. It looks pretty nice, all in all...
If you really must see :-), I'll take a pic of the model and stick it up on
my website.
Now that I'm more or less done planning the boat building, I'm back to
working on my autonomous submarine MicroSeeker (http://www.huv.com). I've
machined new end caps, and am re-configuring it to be a more standard
torpedo-type AUV, with dive planes in the front, rudders in the rear, and a
single thruster.
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Hylands Jon@... http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
Sure,I saw that,and being a visual sort of guy I really think
it is neat that you can do that but......I'm also a touchy feely
sorta guy and no amount of art work can beat the touch of the real
thing(model) up close and personal.
You can haul the model around the house,gaze at it from your
bed side table,oogle over it while attending to business on the
throne,launch her in the bath tub just for fun, bring her down to the
local pub or coffee shop to impress your friends with,load her up
with suitable crew(toy figures to the right scale) and have them
assume various positions for endless hours of
entertainment........but with CAD,you can't :-( other then what you
can draw on a flat screen.
Besides,what a great mantle piece it will make,many years down
the road,to vividly recall the full sized version,which may
eventually no longer be in your possession.
And,you could print-out all your components,to scale,and
actually see just how well the model(eventually full sized) will go
together and if there are any booboos with your CAD
images/plans.Between now and April is plenty of time for modelling
fun:-)
You could even post some pictures of the finsihed model over on
Bolger3 model photo section for all to admire.
O.K., I'll quit pestering you Jon about doing a model but
don't say I didn't warn you :-) Good luck with the full sized version
and lets hope for an early Spring and long summer!
Sincerely,
Peter"model maniac" Lenihan
> You explore everything in 3D when building a CAD model...Hi Jon,
>
> And best of all, it was free :-)
>
> Later,
> Jon
Sure,I saw that,and being a visual sort of guy I really think
it is neat that you can do that but......I'm also a touchy feely
sorta guy and no amount of art work can beat the touch of the real
thing(model) up close and personal.
You can haul the model around the house,gaze at it from your
bed side table,oogle over it while attending to business on the
throne,launch her in the bath tub just for fun, bring her down to the
local pub or coffee shop to impress your friends with,load her up
with suitable crew(toy figures to the right scale) and have them
assume various positions for endless hours of
entertainment........but with CAD,you can't :-( other then what you
can draw on a flat screen.
Besides,what a great mantle piece it will make,many years down
the road,to vividly recall the full sized version,which may
eventually no longer be in your possession.
And,you could print-out all your components,to scale,and
actually see just how well the model(eventually full sized) will go
together and if there are any booboos with your CAD
images/plans.Between now and April is plenty of time for modelling
fun:-)
You could even post some pictures of the finsihed model over on
Bolger3 model photo section for all to admire.
O.K., I'll quit pestering you Jon about doing a model but
don't say I didn't warn you :-) Good luck with the full sized version
and lets hope for an early Spring and long summer!
Sincerely,
Peter"model maniac" Lenihan
Unfortunately for me, I'm interested in a different boat, model plane,
or bicycle every 5 minutes. Fortunately that doesn't hold true in the
other realm you allude to.
or bicycle every 5 minutes. Fortunately that doesn't hold true in the
other realm you allude to.
>Peter Lenihan wrote:sni
>
>Jon,
>
> It has been both my experience and observation that about the
>only way to successfully build and launch your own boat is to first
>really,REALLY, fall in love with the design. Once this criteria has
>been met,the chances for success are great and virtually no obstacle
>will stop you.
> Think of the first time you fell in love(or everytime,for that
>matter!).I'll bet you can't account for hundreds of hours which
>found you lost in some romantic reverey while pursuing
>your"sweetheart" can you? Nor can you easily explain how you managed
>to get around every obstacle in your path to seduce your
>sweetheart,either.
> Well,amateur boatbuilding sorta follows along the same lines.If
>you really fall for a design,then there really won't be much in your
>way,that you can't already handle,to stop you.
>
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:31:25 -0000, "Peter Lenihan"
<lestat@...> wrote:
full-blown, to scale CAD model of the boat.
You explore everything in 3D when building a CAD model...
And best of all, it was free :-)
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
<lestat@...> wrote:
> Fair enough! Then the only reasonable thing left to do whileWell, if you look on my web page, you'll see that I've already made a
> you're waiting for some bucks is to build a detailed scale model
> at ,say an inch an a half to the foot scale. It is rewarding,will
> expand your third dimension perception of shapes and volumes,and best
> of all is relatively cheap.
full-blown, to scale CAD model of the boat.
You explore everything in 3D when building a CAD model...
And best of all, it was free :-)
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
amongst us whose roving eye can hardly satisfy his enquiring mind:-)
I do,however,empathize with you Lincoln and thank my lucky stars each
day that I am a poor man with only enough dough to build one boat at
a time.Otherwise,I fear I would squander a kings ransom on
building,or getting built, every boat that ever tossed me a come
hither glance.....and many there have been!
Perhaps,in your particular case,we should abandon the "rosey road of
love" approach to building and jump fast forward to un-restrained
lust?
This may help in pinning down a design long enough for your skilled
hands to work their magic on.......I hope:-)
And yes,oh yes, do not allow this new approach to infect the above
alluded to relationship.That one is way too valuable to even get a
sniff of a suggestion of ever.......well you know what I mean:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who does not envy Lincolns' dire situation of having
too many boats,planes and things to get built...........perhaps when
the warm breezes of Spring finally get here and the sap begins to
flow with a vengance,you will find a design to lust
after..............
> Unfortunately for me, I'm interested in a different boat, modelplane,
> or bicycle every 5 minutes. Fortunately that doesn't hold true inthe
> other realm you allude to.Well it's nice to know we have a cosmopolitan lover of the crafts
amongst us whose roving eye can hardly satisfy his enquiring mind:-)
I do,however,empathize with you Lincoln and thank my lucky stars each
day that I am a poor man with only enough dough to build one boat at
a time.Otherwise,I fear I would squander a kings ransom on
building,or getting built, every boat that ever tossed me a come
hither glance.....and many there have been!
Perhaps,in your particular case,we should abandon the "rosey road of
love" approach to building and jump fast forward to un-restrained
lust?
This may help in pinning down a design long enough for your skilled
hands to work their magic on.......I hope:-)
And yes,oh yes, do not allow this new approach to infect the above
alluded to relationship.That one is way too valuable to even get a
sniff of a suggestion of ever.......well you know what I mean:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who does not envy Lincolns' dire situation of having
too many boats,planes and things to get built...........perhaps when
the warm breezes of Spring finally get here and the sap begins to
flow with a vengance,you will find a design to lust
after..............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
Fair enough! Then the only reasonable thing left to do while
you're waiting for some bucks is to build a detailed scale model
at ,say an inch an a half to the foot scale. It is rewarding,will
expand your third dimension perception of shapes and volumes,and best
of all is relatively cheap.
Door skins or 1/8" luan will make for a skin stiff enough to
not be too wavey and give you a fair idea of what bending the plywood
around your bulkheads will be like.It will also give you stiff enough
bulkheads to not collapse when wrapping the hull panels around her.
Mistakes will be very cheap indeed at this scale :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Heh heh, yeah Peter, I know, but I can't start building until April($$$),
> so I have to do something in the mean time... :-)Hi Jon,
>
> Later,
> Jon
Fair enough! Then the only reasonable thing left to do while
you're waiting for some bucks is to build a detailed scale model
at ,say an inch an a half to the foot scale. It is rewarding,will
expand your third dimension perception of shapes and volumes,and best
of all is relatively cheap.
Door skins or 1/8" luan will make for a skin stiff enough to
not be too wavey and give you a fair idea of what bending the plywood
around your bulkheads will be like.It will also give you stiff enough
bulkheads to not collapse when wrapping the hull panels around her.
Mistakes will be very cheap indeed at this scale :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:09:04 -0000, "Peter Lenihan"
<lestat@...> wrote:
so I have to do something in the mean time... :-)
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
<lestat@...> wrote:
> So,unless you suffer from OCD or worse, put down the noteHeh heh, yeah Peter, I know, but I can't start building until April ($$$),
> book,the calculator and go fall in love(if you haven't
> already....she is a little cutey!) while making saw
> dust.Besides...Spring is almost in the air :-D
so I have to do something in the mean time... :-)
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
In the immortal words of Friar Tuck: "This is grain, which any fool can eat,
but for which the Lord intended a more divine means of consumption. Let us
give praise to our maker and glory to his bounty by learning about [and
drinking]... BEER!" The [and drinking] added by me, but I know he meant
that. Possibly one of the greatest lines of any movie. ;-)
BTW, Peter I'd dispute that it's possible to use up one's allotment of beer.
Saying there is an "allotment" is pretty near blasphemy!
FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Aaaaaaaa......yesssssss.......at last,the only figure which should
never be excluded from any budget,real or imagined!!! For those who
may think that calling it"amber throat charmer" is too hoyty-
toyty,then how about Builders Elete Elixir Refreshment or simply
builders fuel?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been charmed and has charmed his life time
allotment of beer already and soon applying for an allotment
extension the moment things start warming up around here....
but for which the Lord intended a more divine means of consumption. Let us
give praise to our maker and glory to his bounty by learning about [and
drinking]... BEER!" The [and drinking] added by me, but I know he meant
that. Possibly one of the greatest lines of any movie. ;-)
BTW, Peter I'd dispute that it's possible to use up one's allotment of beer.
Saying there is an "allotment" is pretty near blasphemy!
FrankB
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lenihan [mailto:lestat@...]
Aaaaaaaa......yesssssss.......at last,the only figure which should
never be excluded from any budget,real or imagined!!! For those who
may think that calling it"amber throat charmer" is too hoyty-
toyty,then how about Builders Elete Elixir Refreshment or simply
builders fuel?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been charmed and has charmed his life time
allotment of beer already and soon applying for an allotment
extension the moment things start warming up around here....
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
never be excluded from any budget,real or imagined!!! For those who
may think that calling it"amber throat charmer" is too hoyty-
toyty,then how about Builders Elete Elixir Refreshment or simply
builders fuel?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been charmed and has charmed his life time
allotment of beer already and soon applying for an allotment
extension the moment things start warming up around here....
wrote:
>> You forgot the bloody amber throat charmer mate!Aaaaaaaa......yesssssss.......at last,the only figure which should
>
> Where's the beer budget?
never be excluded from any budget,real or imagined!!! For those who
may think that calling it"amber throat charmer" is too hoyty-
toyty,then how about Builders Elete Elixir Refreshment or simply
builders fuel?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who has been charmed and has charmed his life time
allotment of beer already and soon applying for an allotment
extension the moment things start warming up around here....
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
It has been both my experience and observation that about the
only way to successfully build and launch your own boat is to first
really,REALLY, fall in love with the design. Once this criteria has
been met,the chances for success are great and virtually no obstacle
will stop you.
Think of the first time you fell in love(or everytime,for that
matter!).I'll bet you can't account for hundreds of hours which
found you lost in some romantic reverey while pursuing
your"sweetheart" can you? Nor can you easily explain how you managed
to get around every obstacle in your path to seduce your
sweetheart,either.
Well,amateur boatbuilding sorta follows along the same lines.If
you really fall for a design,then there really won't be much in your
way,that you can't already handle,to stop you.
Boatyards everywhere are littered with the unfinished hulks of
unloved boats.Some builders had tons of money too but not enough
love of the design to sustain them.Other builders schemed,planned
and spec'ed all the love right out of their boats till there just
wasn't anything left to love.
Happily,however, there are also those who truly love their
chosen designs and who succeed despite all the nay sayers.
Check out too the marinas in summer.Notice which boats go out
the most often. Besides everything else,you can be sure these boats
have happy owners. And yes,some of these loved boats we see going
out may not be our cup of tea,but they certainly are in the
owner/builders eye.Kinda like ones choice in a life-
mate.........just no accounting for other folks tastes :-)
So,unless you suffer from OCD or worse, put down the note
book,the calculator and go fall in love(if you haven't
already....she is a little cutey!) while making saw
dust.Besides...Spring is almost in the air :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,
> Already priced it. I can get marine ply for $90 a sheet, so MDOhad better
> not be much more than $50. Almost everyone around here sells MDOfor
> between $50 and 60 a sheet, etc,etc,etc.............Jon,
It has been both my experience and observation that about the
only way to successfully build and launch your own boat is to first
really,REALLY, fall in love with the design. Once this criteria has
been met,the chances for success are great and virtually no obstacle
will stop you.
Think of the first time you fell in love(or everytime,for that
matter!).I'll bet you can't account for hundreds of hours which
found you lost in some romantic reverey while pursuing
your"sweetheart" can you? Nor can you easily explain how you managed
to get around every obstacle in your path to seduce your
sweetheart,either.
Well,amateur boatbuilding sorta follows along the same lines.If
you really fall for a design,then there really won't be much in your
way,that you can't already handle,to stop you.
Boatyards everywhere are littered with the unfinished hulks of
unloved boats.Some builders had tons of money too but not enough
love of the design to sustain them.Other builders schemed,planned
and spec'ed all the love right out of their boats till there just
wasn't anything left to love.
Happily,however, there are also those who truly love their
chosen designs and who succeed despite all the nay sayers.
Check out too the marinas in summer.Notice which boats go out
the most often. Besides everything else,you can be sure these boats
have happy owners. And yes,some of these loved boats we see going
out may not be our cup of tea,but they certainly are in the
owner/builders eye.Kinda like ones choice in a life-
mate.........just no accounting for other folks tastes :-)
So,unless you suffer from OCD or worse, put down the note
book,the calculator and go fall in love(if you haven't
already....she is a little cutey!) while making saw
dust.Besides...Spring is almost in the air :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:22:30 -0000, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
I don't have much in the way of sailing experience, and nothing in shallow
water, so I will have to wait and see how I like it. If it becomes a big
problem, I will cut out a bigger box, and make a kick-up centerboard. The
longitudinal stringer on the port side between bulkheads 4 and 5 forms the
inside of the daggerboard panel. The port side cockpit longitudinal
stringer (between frames 5 and 6) is inline with that one, so it should be
fairly straight-forward to make a few cuts, build a centerboard trunk, and
then build a centerboard.
I do plan on cruising, and hopefully will spend some time in the North
Channel, so I know this will be an issue...
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
> Do you plan to do any cruising? Like perhaps in Georgian Bay? I amNels,
> wondering how you plan to sail in shallow water with a daggerboard? I
> had a boat with one and it was very vulnerable and the reason I gave
> up on it was the daggerboard. You can only sail with a clenched
> sphincter for so long before it gets tiring:-)
>
> A Kingston 15 with a MICRO keel would be far superior I would
> suggest, but you may know something I don't. Other than that I find
> the layout really looking good.
I don't have much in the way of sailing experience, and nothing in shallow
water, so I will have to wait and see how I like it. If it becomes a big
problem, I will cut out a bigger box, and make a kick-up centerboard. The
longitudinal stringer on the port side between bulkheads 4 and 5 forms the
inside of the daggerboard panel. The port side cockpit longitudinal
stringer (between frames 5 and 6) is inline with that one, so it should be
fairly straight-forward to make a few cuts, build a centerboard trunk, and
then build a centerboard.
I do plan on cruising, and hopefully will spend some time in the North
Channel, so I know this will be an issue...
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
Do you plan to do any cruising? Like perhaps in Georgian Bay? I am
wondering how you plan to sail in shallow water with a daggerboard? I
had a boat with one and it was very vulnerable and the reason I gave
up on it was the daggerboard. You can only sail with a clenched
sphincter for so long before it gets tiring:-)
A Kingston 15 with a MICRO keel would be far superior I would
suggest, but you may know something I don't. Other than that I find
the layout really looking good.
Cheers, Nels
Cheers, Nels
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:11:48 -0000, bruce@h... wrote:stuff,
> Bruce,
>
> Definitely, the building is a lot of it for me. I like to build
> whether it is wood or metal or plastic, or even bits in cyberspace(I'm a
> professional software developer, so I build software for a living).Jon,
>
> Later,
> Jon
Do you plan to do any cruising? Like perhaps in Georgian Bay? I am
wondering how you plan to sail in shallow water with a daggerboard? I
had a boat with one and it was very vulnerable and the reason I gave
up on it was the daggerboard. You can only sail with a clenched
sphincter for so long before it gets tiring:-)
A Kingston 15 with a MICRO keel would be far superior I would
suggest, but you may know something I don't. Other than that I find
the layout really looking good.
Cheers, Nels
Cheers, Nels
A light weight house might get its greatest wind force on the highway
for a trailered boat. How strong does it have to be to take an hour
of 60 mph wind with gusts to 80 from trucks?
Charles
for a trailered boat. How strong does it have to be to take an hour
of 60 mph wind with gusts to 80 from trucks?
Charles
> The "cabin" on my Tims is very lightweight. 1 by 2 framing, 1/8"
> door skins for sides, roof, etc. I made it to lift off whenever I
> wanted more "open" area.
>
>
> Bruce Hector
--- Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
centerline of the boat, the added risk
of sinking is nil. [Short of getting
caught in a breaking sea, and a 'standard'
would also be at risk in this case too.]
What you gain is 'standing headroom'.
Keeping rain out depends on the security
of the hatch covers you devise, and there
are several workable options, soft and hard.
The slot top is a Bolger invention, I
understand. He first wrote about it in
the Small Boat Journal in 1986, see:
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/
> "WALK THROUGH CAMPHOUSE?[...]As long as the hole(s) are all on the
> safety from the elements
> (namely sinking and exposure)
> why would we purposely leave a full
> length shoulder width hole in the roof.
centerline of the boat, the added risk
of sinking is nil. [Short of getting
caught in a breaking sea, and a 'standard'
would also be at risk in this case too.]
What you gain is 'standing headroom'.
Keeping rain out depends on the security
of the hatch covers you devise, and there
are several workable options, soft and hard.
The slot top is a Bolger invention, I
understand. He first wrote about it in
the Small Boat Journal in 1986, see:
http://hallman.org/bolger/Birdwatcher/
Don,
It's really just a way to be able to move around upright in a small
boat. I'm too old and stiff to crawl around under a low cabinhouse
anymore. Sailing in mild climates the narrow slot opening is not a
weather or seaworthiness problem. (I have a "slotted" sailboat). If you
can built your boat with full headroom and keep it stable enough and
pretty enough, go ahead. I feel a low house boat like Tennessee could
work out just fine with a slotted cabin... that is, for some folks, in
some areas........
Rick
Don Tyson wrote:
It's really just a way to be able to move around upright in a small
boat. I'm too old and stiff to crawl around under a low cabinhouse
anymore. Sailing in mild climates the narrow slot opening is not a
weather or seaworthiness problem. (I have a "slotted" sailboat). If you
can built your boat with full headroom and keep it stable enough and
pretty enough, go ahead. I feel a low house boat like Tennessee could
work out just fine with a slotted cabin... that is, for some folks, in
some areas........
Rick
Don Tyson wrote:
> "WALK THROUGH CAMPHOUSE?" .In all fairness to my upbringing I guess. I
> don't understand the concept, frankly.
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:11:48 -0000,bruce@...wrote:
Definitely, the building is a lot of it for me. I like to build stuff,
whether it is wood or metal or plastic, or even bits in cyberspace (I'm a
professional software developer, so I build software for a living).
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
> I get the impression Jon,Bruce,
> that you want to build a
> boat for the fun and the
> sport of it, it that is
> the real reason, go for it.
Definitely, the building is a lot of it for me. I like to build stuff,
whether it is wood or metal or plastic, or even bits in cyberspace (I'm a
professional software developer, so I build software for a living).
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
"WALK THROUGH CAMPHOUSE?" .In all fairness to my upbringing I guess. I don't understand the concept, frankly. I camp alot. I sail. I anchor off alot. I drive cars 50000+- miles a year, I live full time in a house. While in or about all of these shelters, tent, house,, car, or sailboat I have never been tempted to cut a hole down the middle and open it up to the sky. I can afford to do so. If it is such a good idea then why don't you see 4' X 24'X35' houses in developements with open walk through roofs on them. To me the concept is against everything we strive for in every practice of our lives. When we begin to measure up a pile of lumber with the idea of building a structure known to provide safety from the elements (namely sinking and exposure) why would we purposely leave a full length shoulder width hole in the roof.
I guess growing up poor on a farm has left me with different sensibilities than most.
Now, light weight permanant cabins may be the obvious compromise. Whether doorskins or 1/4 ply a cabin intended for boating on rivers and other protected waterways doesn't have to be real heavy, especially on the sharpies which apparently ride pretty dry.
Signed,
Old Fart
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
How about a nice Tennessee hull and a Michalak "Shanteuse" type walk
through "camp house". Quite possible to add "indoor" space without
adding much weight.
See some recent Shanteuse pics here, room, airy, and light. Just
quive it a roof line to match Bolger's pretty sheer and avoid the
outhouse look.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Shanteuse
The "cabin" on my Tims is very lightweight. 1 by 2 framing, 1/8"
door skins for sides, roof, etc. I made it to lift off whenever I
wanted more "open" area.
Bruce Hector
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I guess growing up poor on a farm has left me with different sensibilities than most.
Now, light weight permanant cabins may be the obvious compromise. Whether doorskins or 1/4 ply a cabin intended for boating on rivers and other protected waterways doesn't have to be real heavy, especially on the sharpies which apparently ride pretty dry.
Signed,
Old Fart
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
How about a nice Tennessee hull and a Michalak "Shanteuse" type walk
through "camp house". Quite possible to add "indoor" space without
adding much weight.
See some recent Shanteuse pics here, room, airy, and light. Just
quive it a roof line to match Bolger's pretty sheer and avoid the
outhouse look.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Shanteuse
The "cabin" on my Tims is very lightweight. 1 by 2 framing, 1/8"
door skins for sides, roof, etc. I made it to lift off whenever I
wanted more "open" area.
Bruce Hector
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How about a nice Tennessee hull and a Michalak "Shanteuse" type walk
through "camp house". Quite possible to add "indoor" space without
adding much weight.
See some recent Shanteuse pics here, room, airy, and light. Just
quive it a roof line to match Bolger's pretty sheer and avoid the
outhouse look.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Shanteuse
The "cabin" on my Tims is very lightweight. 1 by 2 framing, 1/8"
door skins for sides, roof, etc. I made it to lift off whenever I
wanted more "open" area.
Bruce Hector
through "camp house". Quite possible to add "indoor" space without
adding much weight.
See some recent Shanteuse pics here, room, airy, and light. Just
quive it a roof line to match Bolger's pretty sheer and avoid the
outhouse look.
http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/#Shanteuse
The "cabin" on my Tims is very lightweight. 1 by 2 framing, 1/8"
door skins for sides, roof, etc. I made it to lift off whenever I
wanted more "open" area.
Bruce Hector
--- Rick sctree wrote:
that you want to build a
boat for the fun and the
sport of it, it that is
the real reason, go for it.
Building a boat because it
will be 'cheap' is a bad
reason, as getting used
boats for cheap or even
for free, is a much better
way to get a boat!
> Jon,I get the impression Jon,
>
> Go for it Jon.
that you want to build a
boat for the fun and the
sport of it, it that is
the real reason, go for it.
Building a boat because it
will be 'cheap' is a bad
reason, as getting used
boats for cheap or even
for free, is a much better
way to get a boat!
Jon,
Go for it Jon. Others have built even larger boats for less money with
creative thinking... I don't think any of us are trying to discourage
you, only trying to point out the high cost of "off the shelf" marine
goods, and that original budget projections are rarely met...
Have fun and keep us posted..
Rick
Jon Hylands wrote:
Go for it Jon. Others have built even larger boats for less money with
creative thinking... I don't think any of us are trying to discourage
you, only trying to point out the high cost of "off the shelf" marine
goods, and that original budget projections are rarely met...
Have fun and keep us posted..
Rick
Jon Hylands wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:13:26 -0000, "jmbell1"
> <smallboatdesigner@...> wrote:
>
> > My experience is that you take your first cost estimate, double it,
> > then add 50% to that. And maybe more. Especially for a fairly compex
> > boat like you are working on.
>
> I think if I was shopping at the marine store for everything, I might
> agree
> with you.
>
> My original budget was...
>
> ...I'll start sailing in the spring of 2005, if everything goes as
> planned.
>
> Later,
> Jon
>
>
John,
It's the opposite out here, you can't park that boat, or anything
towable on wheels in your front driveway, but you can build a boat out
front. The local parking ordinance is aimed at folks who would end up
with relatives camping in their driveway, or have trailers full of
rubbish, jetskis, motorcycles etc. filling their driveway. Boatbuilding
is considered hobby assembly, like putting together your kids bike in
front of your garage... I've managed to build several boats under my
carport, pulling/dragging them out to the open driveway when the sun or
wind is helpful. When I built Microtrawler, once it got heavy I built a
dolly using six old wheelbarrow wheels to make it easy to roll out
........ along came the code enforcement officer .... who pointed out
that with wheels it's no longer legal as it could be towed (even though
illegally)... We agreed that if I removed the wheels and only put them
on to move it, then take them off again, it wasn't "towable", and had no
further problem. My neighbor wanted to keep his garden utility trailer
out front so planned on trying the "take the wheels off" thing. When he
checked into it, code enforcement said as it had license and
registration it was a "towable vehicle" even when wheelless, so he has
to keep it in his backyard...
So, when you gonna start making sawdust?
Rick
John Spoering wrote:
It's the opposite out here, you can't park that boat, or anything
towable on wheels in your front driveway, but you can build a boat out
front. The local parking ordinance is aimed at folks who would end up
with relatives camping in their driveway, or have trailers full of
rubbish, jetskis, motorcycles etc. filling their driveway. Boatbuilding
is considered hobby assembly, like putting together your kids bike in
front of your garage... I've managed to build several boats under my
carport, pulling/dragging them out to the open driveway when the sun or
wind is helpful. When I built Microtrawler, once it got heavy I built a
dolly using six old wheelbarrow wheels to make it easy to roll out
........ along came the code enforcement officer .... who pointed out
that with wheels it's no longer legal as it could be towed (even though
illegally)... We agreed that if I removed the wheels and only put them
on to move it, then take them off again, it wasn't "towable", and had no
further problem. My neighbor wanted to keep his garden utility trailer
out front so planned on trying the "take the wheels off" thing. When he
checked into it, code enforcement said as it had license and
registration it was a "towable vehicle" even when wheelless, so he has
to keep it in his backyard...
So, when you gonna start making sawdust?
Rick
John Spoering wrote:
> For Don Tyson -[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for
> building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should
> have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox
> bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my
> solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour
> $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of
> those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles
> and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W
> X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory
> shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't
> think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in
> your backyard and no one should bother you.
> Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your
> driveway.
>
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:For Don Tyson -
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
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John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:For Don Tyson -
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
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Jack, Thats a great Idea. Thank you for that. Only problem is My builing project is not meat to be. After paging back and forth between designs and getting accurate , helpful advice from many group members, here and abroad, I realize that with a few changes Tennessee is the boat for me (maybe Minnesota). I shall never venture to build it though, shall never smell that sweet smell of DF ply, shall never feel the dried glue on my fingers, for I, a loving father could not alow my heirs to be referred to by my tender boat-building associates as "Bimbo's" . Oh! the things we give up for honor and posterity!
Seriously though, Nels is trying to persuade me towards Topaz and someone sugested Champlain, Dakota and Windmere but as nice as they are they all are a little more complex than I want right now. I still think Tennessee could be built in seasonal stages to suit my timing and a very low buget.
Don
John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
For Don Tyson -
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
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Seriously though, Nels is trying to persuade me towards Topaz and someone sugested Champlain, Dakota and Windmere but as nice as they are they all are a little more complex than I want right now. I still think Tennessee could be built in seasonal stages to suit my timing and a very low buget.
Don
John Spoering <spoering@...> wrote:
For Don Tyson -
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
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For Don Tyson -
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I have the same zoning problems here in Fort Lauderdale, Florida for building my 22' "Champlain". The powers that be think everyone should have plenty of money so they can go out and buy a plastic Clorox bottle and keep it in one of the overpriced town marinas. Heres' my solution - Go to Home Depot or your towns equivilent and for abour $100.00 you can buy (sorry I can't think of the exact name) one of those tempory shelters that consist of the vertical poles, ridge poles and canvas top that they sell as a car port. These measure about 10'W X 20'L so you may require 2 and since the rules consider them tempory shelters you won't have any trouble from the town fathers. I don't think that you'll be able to build in your front driveway so set up in your backyard and no one should bother you.
Funny though, they'll probably let you park the finished boat in your driveway.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - awaiting the magic day when I can start
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote: My
original budget was $3000, ......
You forgot the bloody amber throat charmer mate!
Where's the beer budget? Why, working outside in all that sun, or
inside in the dang heat and sawdust, feeling that gentle warmth as
the epoxy cooks off on your jeans, ya' just gotta have a pint now
and again.
Actually, I believe it's the best expoxy additive ever! Adds a nice
flavor, gives of a sweet bouquet, yet never seams to ruin the cure.
The lines look fairer too, after a sinking one, or maybe two...
Why, I'd double yer' bean count just fer' the suds!
Unless of course, you fiond your'self in need of Peter Lenihan's or
myownself's assistance at any point, then .....
TRIPLE IT!
Juts a humble opinion,
Bos'un Bruce Hector
None of these comments are meant to discourage ye, just build the
dang thing and have a ball. Many of the added expense our friends
are bringing up would accompany a factory built javex bottle craft
too.
Cause', when all is said and done, any boat is a hole in the wet
stuff into which you pour money.
original budget was $3000, ......
You forgot the bloody amber throat charmer mate!
Where's the beer budget? Why, working outside in all that sun, or
inside in the dang heat and sawdust, feeling that gentle warmth as
the epoxy cooks off on your jeans, ya' just gotta have a pint now
and again.
Actually, I believe it's the best expoxy additive ever! Adds a nice
flavor, gives of a sweet bouquet, yet never seams to ruin the cure.
The lines look fairer too, after a sinking one, or maybe two...
Why, I'd double yer' bean count just fer' the suds!
Unless of course, you fiond your'self in need of Peter Lenihan's or
myownself's assistance at any point, then .....
TRIPLE IT!
Juts a humble opinion,
Bos'un Bruce Hector
None of these comments are meant to discourage ye, just build the
dang thing and have a ball. Many of the added expense our friends
are bringing up would accompany a factory built javex bottle craft
too.
Cause', when all is said and done, any boat is a hole in the wet
stuff into which you pour money.
--- Jon Hylands wrote:
Go for it Jon, it can
be done cheaply if you
are resourseful, and
willing to scrounge.
Free lead from wheel weights,
free metal 5 gallon paint bucket,
BBQ charcoal, leaf blower.
hugely useful for ripping
chine logs, and much else!
http://tinyurl.com/2uz42
Go for it Jon, it can
be done cheaply if you
are resourseful, and
willing to scrounge.
> > With MICRO there is the addedCan be almost free. I did!
> > cost of the lead keel
Free lead from wheel weights,
free metal 5 gallon paint bucket,
BBQ charcoal, leaf blower.
> Table sawNot that useful for me.
> (contractor grade 10" Delta),
> circular saw,Get a ripping guide,
hugely useful for ripping
chine logs, and much else!
http://tinyurl.com/2uz42
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:13:26 -0000, "jmbell1"
<smallboatdesigner@...> wrote:
with you.
My original budget was $3000, if I was going to use AC exterior plywood. I
decided I will probably use MDO, so the plywood budget almost doubled (from
$600 to $1000).
I missed $500 in my previous listed budget. The breakdown (with MDO) is
like this:
Plywood and lumber: $1500
Epoxy, glass, filler: $1000
Hardware, sails, fasteners, rigging: $1000
The hardware budget may need to be increased a bit, but I've got lots of
raw material from some of my other hobbies, and the tools and abilities to
build what a lot of people have to buy. You can see some of the stuff I do
on my other pages:
http://www.huv.com
http://www.huv.com/miniSumo
http://www.huv.com/jon/jeep
I'm going to start building around the beginning of April, and hope to have
a floating boat by the end of August or September. I will then spend the
fall/winter/spring building/buying the hardware, rig, etc.
I'll start sailing in the spring of 2005, if everything goes as planned.
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
<smallboatdesigner@...> wrote:
> My experience is that you take your first cost estimate, double it,I think if I was shopping at the marine store for everything, I might agree
> then add 50% to that. And maybe more. Especially for a fairly compex
> boat like you are working on.
with you.
My original budget was $3000, if I was going to use AC exterior plywood. I
decided I will probably use MDO, so the plywood budget almost doubled (from
$600 to $1000).
I missed $500 in my previous listed budget. The breakdown (with MDO) is
like this:
Plywood and lumber: $1500
Epoxy, glass, filler: $1000
Hardware, sails, fasteners, rigging: $1000
The hardware budget may need to be increased a bit, but I've got lots of
raw material from some of my other hobbies, and the tools and abilities to
build what a lot of people have to buy. You can see some of the stuff I do
on my other pages:
http://www.huv.com
http://www.huv.com/miniSumo
http://www.huv.com/jon/jeep
I'm going to start building around the beginning of April, and hope to have
a floating boat by the end of August or September. I will then spend the
fall/winter/spring building/buying the hardware, rig, etc.
I'll start sailing in the spring of 2005, if everything goes as planned.
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:07:12 -0000, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
not be much more than $50. Almost everyone around here sells MDO for
between $50 and 60 a sheet, and my local hardware store will give 10% off
(at least) on big orders.
work for a year or two.
98, actually), I bought a really good quality brand new 5' x 8' utility
trailer (Paid $1300 CAD for it). The sides come off, so I may just build an
extended tongue for it, with a post and a winch.
trailer brake controller.
& robotics for fun, so I'm planning on building the electronics system for
the boat eventually.
(maybe another $10-15), and a hundred feet of braided nylon on each
(another $40 or so). Realistically I'll probably need a few hundred bucks
more to outfit the boat for very minimalist daysailing and cruising.
and the boat won't stay in the water, so I see no reason why I need top
quality hardware. If I was building an RV trailer to tow behind my truck, I
certainly wouldn't be buying stuff like they sell in the typical marine
stores.
(contractor grade 10" Delta), circular saw, jigsaw, router, a couple
drills, bench grinder, plus a pile of hand tools. I've been doing
woodworking and machine work since I was a kid, so I'm not really worried
about most of this stuff. I do need to get a belt sander, and maybe a power
plane.
Later,
Jon
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Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
> Yes I agree, that the ratio changes with the size and ammentities onAlready priced it. I can get marine ply for $90 a sheet, so MDO had better
> the boat. Your prices are probably fairly close, except you might be
> surprised at good quality MDO.
not be much more than $50. Almost everyone around here sells MDO for
between $50 and 60 a sheet, and my local hardware store will give 10% off
(at least) on big orders.
> With MICRO there is the added cost of the lead keel.Exterior latex is.
> Top quality paints are not cheap.
> Top quality sails are not cheap.Polytarp sails are. As I said in my previous email, I'm confident they will
work for a year or two.
> Top quality outboards are ridiculous if bought new.Not planning on getting one.
> Top quality trailers - ditto.Going to build, or convert my utility trailer. A few years ago (back in
98, actually), I bought a really good quality brand new 5' x 8' utility
trailer (Paid $1300 CAD for it). The sides come off, so I may just build an
extended tongue for it, with a post and a winch.
> Then there is the hitch and brake controller and lighting for theTruck is already set up for towing big trailers, with class 5 hitch and
> trailer. (About $800 in my case.)
trailer brake controller.
> Navigation and electrical can really add up amazingly fast.Don't need much of that to start, except maybe a compass. I do electronics
& robotics for fun, so I'm planning on building the electronics system for
the boat eventually.
> Then there are all the lines, anchors and rodes, fenders, mattresses,I'll want a couple anchors (about $30 each), a few feet of chain on each
> and any other living accomodations accesories you feel are required.
> Boom tent? Or dodger? All weather cover. (This can add years to your
> boat's finish and upkeep.)
(maybe another $10-15), and a hundred feet of braided nylon on each
(another $40 or so). Realistically I'll probably need a few hundred bucks
more to outfit the boat for very minimalist daysailing and cruising.
> When you get into hardware you can look at cheap - which may break,I know. For now, I choose cheap for the most part. I'm not near salt water,
> rust or jam. Medium or first class. Just be aware that there are
> amazing price differences.
and the boat won't stay in the water, so I see no reason why I need top
quality hardware. If I was building an RV trailer to tow behind my truck, I
certainly wouldn't be buying stuff like they sell in the typical marine
stores.
> Same for power and hand tools and accesories like sand paper andGot almost everything I need in this department already. Table saw
> files and so on.
(contractor grade 10" Delta), circular saw, jigsaw, router, a couple
drills, bench grinder, plus a pile of hand tools. I've been doing
woodworking and machine work since I was a kid, so I'm not really worried
about most of this stuff. I do need to get a belt sander, and maybe a power
plane.
Later,
Jon
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Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:03:28 -0800, sctree <sctree@...> wrote:
with regular house exterior latex. Your house sits out in the weather for
10 years with that kind of paint, why not a boat?
ref:http://www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html
build the hatches, hatch slides, gooseneck (I have a milling machine and
lathe), mast step, etc. The bow pulpit I will probably try and put together
myself, but I'm not sure how it will work (I can weld). I don't really care
if it is stainless steel.
The running rigging will be 1/8" galvanized wire, 7x19, available at
Canadian Tire for $0.25 a foot. Sheets, same place, polyester braid, very
affordable. Duckworks sells blocks for $4.05 each, fairleads are about a
buck each, cleats are between $1.10 and $3.80, etc. The only ports on the
boat are the round ones on the side, and they will be just a couple pieces
of smoked plexiglass. The bow and main hatch I will be building myself.
to handle the boat. I wasn't counting this in the total.
works. Eventually, I'll probably get an electric trolling motor, once I
have a battery.
interested in racing, so I don't care if I wring the last knot out of them.
I may end up getting Dacron eventually, but for the first year or two I'm
sure poly will work fine.
be adding stuff, but much of it I plan to build/scavenge/etc.
I know it would be possible to spend $6-10 thousand on this boat, but I
definitely don't think it will be necessary to get a boat I can sail.
Later,
Jon
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Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
> I think your fastener list is short by half, unless your careful withYeah, I'm not sure about how much epoxy I'll need.
> wastage you'll likely need more epoxy.
> Add,Some of this stuff I have, some I will get. I'm planning on painting it
> Sandpaper, primer, paint., brushes roller, roller covers, tray and pots.
> More blue tape, gloves, rags, epoxy brushes, squeegees....
with regular house exterior latex. Your house sits out in the weather for
10 years with that kind of paint, why not a boat?
ref:http://www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html
> Stainless steel gudgeons, pintoes, hinges, hatch slides, bolts, wireDuckworks sells the set of gudgeons & pintles for $26 US. I'm going to
> rigging, tangs, gooseneck, masthead truck, mast step, and is that a bow
> pulpit of welded stainless steel tubing?
> Running rigging, sheets, blocks, fairleads, cleats and cams...
> Ports, hatches, deck plates...
build the hatches, hatch slides, gooseneck (I have a milling machine and
lathe), mast step, etc. The bow pulpit I will probably try and put together
myself, but I'm not sure how it will work (I can weld). I don't really care
if it is stainless steel.
The running rigging will be 1/8" galvanized wire, 7x19, available at
Canadian Tire for $0.25 a foot. Sheets, same place, polyester braid, very
affordable. Duckworks sells blocks for $4.05 each, fairleads are about a
buck each, cleats are between $1.10 and $3.80, etc. The only ports on the
boat are the round ones on the side, and they will be just a couple pieces
of smoked plexiglass. The bow and main hatch I will be building myself.
> A trailer another $500 to $1000.Going to build that as well, although I may convert my 5x8 utility trailer
to handle the boat. I wasn't counting this in the total.
> Outboard, $500 - $3000 or more for the 9.9 four-stroke.Not going to have an outboard. I'm going to try sculling, see how that
works. Eventually, I'll probably get an electric trolling motor, once I
have a battery.
> Sails... ploy tarp will move the boat, but to sail it, pro built dacronFrom what I've heard, the polytarps work almost as well as dacron. I'm not
> sails, maybe $400 - $600 plus a big jenny headsail another $300...
interested in racing, so I don't care if I wring the last knot out of them.
I may end up getting Dacron eventually, but for the first year or two I'm
sure poly will work fine.
> Then there are the goodies you'll add to the boat...Yeah, over the span of the 4 or 5 years after I build it, I will probably
be adding stuff, but much of it I plan to build/scavenge/etc.
I know it would be possible to spend $6-10 thousand on this boat, but I
definitely don't think it will be necessary to get a boat I can sail.
Later,
Jon
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Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
My experience is that you take your first cost estimate, double it,
then add 50% to that. And maybe more. Especially for a fairly compex
boat like you are working on.
You're gonna need more epoxy, for one thing. Also, once you get going
and build a nice boat, you're gonna want some nice sails.
Paint and varnish? Abrasives? Brushes? Glass cloth and fillers?
What about a trailer? An outboard? Even oars cost money...
Running lights and other electrical stuff? Deck hardware?
A rig like that wants low stretch line which you could easily spend
a $100 or more on. Also, the standing rigging isn't cheap either.
Then there's ground tackle and mooring lines...
My point is that it is very easy to think you are getting off cheap.
It's pretty hard to actually *BE* cheap...
then add 50% to that. And maybe more. Especially for a fairly compex
boat like you are working on.
You're gonna need more epoxy, for one thing. Also, once you get going
and build a nice boat, you're gonna want some nice sails.
Paint and varnish? Abrasives? Brushes? Glass cloth and fillers?
What about a trailer? An outboard? Even oars cost money...
Running lights and other electrical stuff? Deck hardware?
A rig like that wants low stretch line which you could easily spend
a $100 or more on. Also, the standing rigging isn't cheap either.
Then there's ground tackle and mooring lines...
My point is that it is very easy to think you are getting off cheap.
It's pretty hard to actually *BE* cheap...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:36:45 -0000, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> > The biggest eye-opener is
> > that the cost of plywood, epoxy and glass cloth are a very small
> > portion of what the final cost of the project will be.
>
> See, I find that interesting -- I've heard it a lot. Maybe on a big
boat,
> but it seems on a boat like I am planning on building that doesn't
hold, or
> at least it doesn't have to hold.
>
> I'm not building a Bolger boat, but the size is close to a Micro,
and a lot
> of the issues in building are probably the same.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jon Hylands <jon@h...> wrote:
Yes I agree, that the ratio changes with the size and ammentities on
the boat. Your prices are probably fairly close, except you might be
surprised at good quality MDO.
With MICRO there is the added cost of the lead keel.
Top quality paints are not cheap.
Top quality sails are not cheap.
Top quality outboards are ridiculous if bought new.
Top quality trailers - ditto.
Then there is the hitch and brake controller and lighting for the
trailer. (About $800 in my case.)
Navigation and electrical can really add up amazingly fast.
Then there are all the lines, anchors and rodes, fenders, mattresses,
and any other living accomodations accesories you feel are required.
Boom tent? Or dodger? All weather cover. (This can add years to your
boat's finish and upkeep.)
When you get into hardware you can look at cheap - which may break,
rust or jam. Medium or first class. Just be aware that there are
amazing price differences.
Same for power and hand tools and accesories like sand paper and
files and so on.
Anyway I could zap you down the spread sheet from the TOPAZ site to
give you some idea. If nothing else it will make you feel a lot
better about going small!
Cheers, Nels
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:36:45 -0000, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:boat,
>
> > The biggest eye-opener is
> > that the cost of plywood, epoxy and glass cloth are a very small
> > portion of what the final cost of the project will be.
>
> See, I find that interesting -- I've heard it a lot. Maybe on a big
> but it seems on a boat like I am planning on building that doesn'thold, or
> at least it doesn't have to hold.Hi Jon,
>
Yes I agree, that the ratio changes with the size and ammentities on
the boat. Your prices are probably fairly close, except you might be
surprised at good quality MDO.
With MICRO there is the added cost of the lead keel.
Top quality paints are not cheap.
Top quality sails are not cheap.
Top quality outboards are ridiculous if bought new.
Top quality trailers - ditto.
Then there is the hitch and brake controller and lighting for the
trailer. (About $800 in my case.)
Navigation and electrical can really add up amazingly fast.
Then there are all the lines, anchors and rodes, fenders, mattresses,
and any other living accomodations accesories you feel are required.
Boom tent? Or dodger? All weather cover. (This can add years to your
boat's finish and upkeep.)
When you get into hardware you can look at cheap - which may break,
rust or jam. Medium or first class. Just be aware that there are
amazing price differences.
Same for power and hand tools and accesories like sand paper and
files and so on.
Anyway I could zap you down the spread sheet from the TOPAZ site to
give you some idea. If nothing else it will make you feel a lot
better about going small!
Cheers, Nels
Jon,
I don't want to rain on your parade, but there is lots you haven't
listed... You can do without some of it. Perhaps you have some of this
stuff in your shed, and you can shop around for substitutes at lower
costs. Be careful though, clothesline does not make for a good mainsheet
while good grade marine line is a buck or more a foot. Angle iron
maststep will be a perpetual maintenance problem compared to stainless
steel or aluminum..
I think your fastener list is short by half, unless your careful with
wastage you'll likely need more epoxy.
Add,
Sandpaper, primer, paint., brushes roller, roller covers, tray and pots.
More blue tape, gloves, rags, epoxy brushes, squeegees....
Stainless steel gudgeons, pintoes, hinges, hatch slides, bolts, wire
rigging, tangs, gooseneck, masthead truck, mast step, and is that a bow
pulpit of welded stainless steel tubing?
Running rigging, sheets, blocks, fairleads, cleats and cams...
Ports, hatches, deck plates...
That alone should add a $1000.
A trailer another $500 to $1000.
Outboard, $500 - $3000 or more for the 9.9 four-stroke.
Sails... ploy tarp will move the boat, but to sail it, pro built dacron
sails, maybe $400 - $600 plus a big jenny headsail another $300...
Then there are the goodies you'll add to the boat...
I could go on, but if you see this project through the plywood will be
105 or at the most 20% of the dollar investment....
Bottom line, my experience, having built 11 small boats (and currently
planning the next one)is Nels' comment was spot on...
It's not a problem... mortgage the house then rent it out and move into
the shed, get the kids employment,,, sell the wife's car....
Whatever it takes... But enjoy it.....
Rick
I don't want to rain on your parade, but there is lots you haven't
listed... You can do without some of it. Perhaps you have some of this
stuff in your shed, and you can shop around for substitutes at lower
costs. Be careful though, clothesline does not make for a good mainsheet
while good grade marine line is a buck or more a foot. Angle iron
maststep will be a perpetual maintenance problem compared to stainless
steel or aluminum..
I think your fastener list is short by half, unless your careful with
wastage you'll likely need more epoxy.
Add,
Sandpaper, primer, paint., brushes roller, roller covers, tray and pots.
More blue tape, gloves, rags, epoxy brushes, squeegees....
Stainless steel gudgeons, pintoes, hinges, hatch slides, bolts, wire
rigging, tangs, gooseneck, masthead truck, mast step, and is that a bow
pulpit of welded stainless steel tubing?
Running rigging, sheets, blocks, fairleads, cleats and cams...
Ports, hatches, deck plates...
That alone should add a $1000.
A trailer another $500 to $1000.
Outboard, $500 - $3000 or more for the 9.9 four-stroke.
Sails... ploy tarp will move the boat, but to sail it, pro built dacron
sails, maybe $400 - $600 plus a big jenny headsail another $300...
Then there are the goodies you'll add to the boat...
I could go on, but if you see this project through the plywood will be
105 or at the most 20% of the dollar investment....
Bottom line, my experience, having built 11 small boats (and currently
planning the next one)is Nels' comment was spot on...
It's not a problem... mortgage the house then rent it out and move into
the shed, get the kids employment,,, sell the wife's car....
Whatever it takes... But enjoy it.....
Rick
> <http://www.huv.com/sailing>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Anyway, here's how the costs break down, at least at the planning stage,
> in Canadian dollars:
>
> Plywood (MDO) (21 sheets, $50 each) $1050
> Epoxy (West System, 5 gallons) $480
> Regular Lumber, including mast & boom $500
> Misc fasteners $300
> Hardware, rigging $500
> Polytarp sails $200
>
> I'm planning on using hardware store stuff as much as possible, and the
> boat will be trailered and sailed only in fresh water. I'm also going to
> build the mast and boom. The costs above are approximate, of course --
> I'll
> know more once I've actually built it...
>
> So, for me, the cost of the plywood and epoxy together are half the price
> of the boat. That's not what I call a small portion.
>
> Am I way off base here?
>
> Later,
> Jon
>
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:36:45 -0000, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
but it seems on a boat like I am planning on building that doesn't hold, or
at least it doesn't have to hold.
I'm not building a Bolger boat, but the size is close to a Micro, and a lot
of the issues in building are probably the same.
You can see my boat website at:http://www.huv.com/sailing
Anyways, here's how the costs break down, at least at the planning stage,
in Canadian dollars:
Plywood (MDO) (21 sheets, $50 each) $1050
Epoxy (West System, 5 gallons) $480
Regular Lumber, including mast & boom $500
Misc fasteners $300
Hardware, rigging $500
Polytarp sails $200
I'm planning on using hardware store stuff as much as possible, and the
boat will be trailered and sailed only in fresh water. I'm also going to
build the mast and boom. The costs above are approximate, of course -- I'll
know more once I've actually built it...
So, for me, the cost of the plywood and epoxy together are half the price
of the boat. That's not what I call a small portion.
Am I way off base here?
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
> The biggest eye-opener isSee, I find that interesting -- I've heard it a lot. Maybe on a big boat,
> that the cost of plywood, epoxy and glass cloth are a very small
> portion of what the final cost of the project will be.
but it seems on a boat like I am planning on building that doesn't hold, or
at least it doesn't have to hold.
I'm not building a Bolger boat, but the size is close to a Micro, and a lot
of the issues in building are probably the same.
You can see my boat website at:http://www.huv.com/sailing
Anyways, here's how the costs break down, at least at the planning stage,
in Canadian dollars:
Plywood (MDO) (21 sheets, $50 each) $1050
Epoxy (West System, 5 gallons) $480
Regular Lumber, including mast & boom $500
Misc fasteners $300
Hardware, rigging $500
Polytarp sails $200
I'm planning on using hardware store stuff as much as possible, and the
boat will be trailered and sailed only in fresh water. I'm also going to
build the mast and boom. The costs above are approximate, of course -- I'll
know more once I've actually built it...
So, for me, the cost of the plywood and epoxy together are half the price
of the boat. That's not what I call a small portion.
Am I way off base here?
Later,
Jon
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jon HylandsJon@...http://www.huv.com/jon
Project: Micro Seeker (Micro Autonomous Underwater Vehicle)
http://www.huv.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
beautiful perennial flower bed).
Looks like just the right size for a TOPAZ. The alpha members in the
flower beds will survive and, besides - once you start building, you
will have no time to tend to flower gardens or anything else for that
matter;-)
Seriously, I recommend you go to the TOPAZ website and request the
free building and cost guide. It is an incredible resource to anyone
contemplating building any of these boats. The biggest eye-opener is
that the cost of plywood, epoxy and glass cloth are a very small
portion of what the final cost of the project will be. (The cost of
the plans are less than the windshield wiper motor assembly!)
Mind you, Dwight finished his off with all the amenities and then
some, but the great thing is he itemized everything down to the last
washer and mixing cup! Granted, some of the prices may be relative to
where you live, yet the comparisons are still valid. You can scan
through and decide what you might want to add or leave out and know
ahead of time what the cost might be in general comparative terms.
Just a couple of examples would be that the trailer and motor add up
to more than the materials to complete the basic hull. Top-of-the-
line house batteries, solar panels and a generator are a major
investment, yet are almost a necessity if you have any electrical
systems of any real worth. (He has a microwave and coffee maker.)
Pump our system for the holding tank. Well you get the idea.
Cheers, Nels
> My building site is outside with no roof, zoning won't allow anyadditional structure and the area is only 8'x35' (currently my
beautiful perennial flower bed).
>Hi Don,
> don
Looks like just the right size for a TOPAZ. The alpha members in the
flower beds will survive and, besides - once you start building, you
will have no time to tend to flower gardens or anything else for that
matter;-)
Seriously, I recommend you go to the TOPAZ website and request the
free building and cost guide. It is an incredible resource to anyone
contemplating building any of these boats. The biggest eye-opener is
that the cost of plywood, epoxy and glass cloth are a very small
portion of what the final cost of the project will be. (The cost of
the plans are less than the windshield wiper motor assembly!)
Mind you, Dwight finished his off with all the amenities and then
some, but the great thing is he itemized everything down to the last
washer and mixing cup! Granted, some of the prices may be relative to
where you live, yet the comparisons are still valid. You can scan
through and decide what you might want to add or leave out and know
ahead of time what the cost might be in general comparative terms.
Just a couple of examples would be that the trailer and motor add up
to more than the materials to complete the basic hull. Top-of-the-
line house batteries, solar panels and a generator are a major
investment, yet are almost a necessity if you have any electrical
systems of any real worth. (He has a microwave and coffee maker.)
Pump our system for the holding tank. Well you get the idea.
Cheers, Nels
That's scary! Unless there's cat-swinging room outside of the "building
site," what I've read suggests you need need twice the beam and at least
150% of the length. Once the hull takes shape, bringing tools and materials
to proceed further will be tough if you have less room.
Check out Buehler's "Backyard Boatbuilding" for some ideas of alternate
locations, or pick a 4' beam by 20' length.
Roger
site," what I've read suggests you need need twice the beam and at least
150% of the length. Once the hull takes shape, bringing tools and materials
to proceed further will be tough if you have less room.
Check out Buehler's "Backyard Boatbuilding" for some ideas of alternate
locations, or pick a 4' beam by 20' length.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Tyson" <tysond99@...>
> <snip>
> My building site is outside with no roof, zoning won't allow any
additional structure
> and the area is only 8'x35' (currently my beautiful perennial flower bed).
I don't know Peter, Your starting to win me over to thes other designs, but , all that glass!
The main reasons I chose Tennessee is that it is shallow draft, Light and goes togerther quick. I also think it lends itself to building in stages of seaso while using it during the more pleasant imes of the year. My building site is outside with no roof, zoning won't allow any additional structure and the area is only 8'x35' (currently my beautiful perennial flower bed).
don
pvanderwaart <pvanderw@...> wrote:
is in time and money, but my first thought was Topaz.
http://jboats.weblogger.com/Journal
Now, that is out of the way, some more conceptual observatons.
Your emphasis on creature comfort suggests (at least to me) that you
might take a close look at the Bolger designs with 'glass cabins' of
which Topaz is a good example. I'm not entirely sure how PCB would
take to putting such a thing on Tenn., but it's probably not
impossible if designed so the crew continue to walk on the bottom of
the boat and the superstructure is too light for anyone to get on top
of it. Perhaps just a tenting of the cockpit area.... For a boat
smaller than Topaz, you could imagine the Bantam
(http://www.treasurecoasthouseboatrentals.com/)or Champlain
(http://www.marine-concepts.com/brokerhtm/champlain.htm). It would
take a more experienced boatbuilder than I to determine which of
those would be quicker/cheaper to build.
Peter
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The main reasons I chose Tennessee is that it is shallow draft, Light and goes togerther quick. I also think it lends itself to building in stages of seaso while using it during the more pleasant imes of the year. My building site is outside with no roof, zoning won't allow any additional structure and the area is only 8'x35' (currently my beautiful perennial flower bed).
don
pvanderwaart <pvanderw@...> wrote:
> Lets draw up some scenarios to test my theory:Your specification is interesting. I'm not quite sure what the budget
is in time and money, but my first thought was Topaz.
http://jboats.weblogger.com/Journal
Now, that is out of the way, some more conceptual observatons.
Your emphasis on creature comfort suggests (at least to me) that you
might take a close look at the Bolger designs with 'glass cabins' of
which Topaz is a good example. I'm not entirely sure how PCB would
take to putting such a thing on Tenn., but it's probably not
impossible if designed so the crew continue to walk on the bottom of
the boat and the superstructure is too light for anyone to get on top
of it. Perhaps just a tenting of the cockpit area.... For a boat
smaller than Topaz, you could imagine the Bantam
(http://www.treasurecoasthouseboatrentals.com/)or Champlain
(http://www.marine-concepts.com/brokerhtm/champlain.htm). It would
take a more experienced boatbuilder than I to determine which of
those would be quicker/cheaper to build.
Peter
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> Lets draw up some scenarios to test my theory:Your specification is interesting. I'm not quite sure what the budget
is in time and money, but my first thought was Topaz.
http://jboats.weblogger.com/Journal
Now, that is out of the way, some more conceptual observatons.
Your emphasis on creature comfort suggests (at least to me) that you
might take a close look at the Bolger designs with 'glass cabins' of
which Topaz is a good example. I'm not entirely sure how PCB would
take to putting such a thing on Tenn., but it's probably not
impossible if designed so the crew continue to walk on the bottom of
the boat and the superstructure is too light for anyone to get on top
of it. Perhaps just a tenting of the cockpit area.... For a boat
smaller than Topaz, you could imagine the Bantam
(http://www.treasurecoasthouseboatrentals.com/)or Champlain
(http://www.marine-concepts.com/brokerhtm/champlain.htm). It would
take a more experienced boatbuilder than I to determine which of
those would be quicker/cheaper to build.
Peter
Many very good points, from Don tyson, about heads,
showers, age, children, weather, kitchens, mosquitos,
and comfort in general deleted.
I'm not Hugo but I find this whole discussion intriguing.
I have a back that discourages bending over, a wife who
thinks roughing it is a cheap motel, and a too short
boating season, not to mention any boat I have must be
trailable.
It occurs to me that Tennessee is really just a starting
point for a very different boat with a family resemblance.
The challenge is to get the boat you want without making
the 'mistakes' the Duck Flats (sp) people made. Does
anyone know how and where the Duck Flat people recommend
their boats be used? I for one am very interested to see
where this discussion leads.
hal
showers, age, children, weather, kitchens, mosquitos,
and comfort in general deleted.
I'm not Hugo but I find this whole discussion intriguing.
I have a back that discourages bending over, a wife who
thinks roughing it is a cheap motel, and a too short
boating season, not to mention any boat I have must be
trailable.
It occurs to me that Tennessee is really just a starting
point for a very different boat with a family resemblance.
The challenge is to get the boat you want without making
the 'mistakes' the Duck Flats (sp) people made. Does
anyone know how and where the Duck Flat people recommend
their boats be used? I for one am very interested to see
where this discussion leads.
hal
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wrote:
kept the others below decks as ballest if I could still keep the
tophamper and be reasonably stable? (The boat that is - not me.)
In reading the brochure - it states there are more than 30 in Oz
land now and Mundo III is the latest development of the design. At
one point I heard that PCB was thrilled at the building activity and
resourcefulness of the Anzacian Bolgeristas:-)
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> OK, alright, I'll leave off the deckhouse, the extraI am wondering if I only allowed one bimbo at a time on the roof and
> flair, and all the other added tophamper; but please,
> please don't take away the bimbos. Sam
>
kept the others below decks as ballest if I could still keep the
tophamper and be reasonably stable? (The boat that is - not me.)
In reading the brochure - it states there are more than 30 in Oz
land now and Mundo III is the latest development of the design. At
one point I heard that PCB was thrilled at the building activity and
resourcefulness of the Anzacian Bolgeristas:-)
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
That is a really nice and informative site alright. I have already e-
mailed the owner for updates and information.
Nels
wrote:
> Nels, I have not posted any, but there is a veryThanks Sam,
> detailed site on the web of one built in Tennessee, I
> think.
That is a really nice and informative site alright. I have already e-
mailed the owner for updates and information.
Nels
All right already! I get the picture but it has always been my opinion that pcb doesn't create final Copy. In other words the builder is suposed to excercise discretion in finishing the accoutriments. Virtually none of PCB's boats are usable or practical in their present design....they need, as almost everyone as done, modification to suit individual needs....call it personalization.
Lets draw up some scenarios to test my theory:
Take the owner for a 6'3" 250lb male with a wife half that weight who stays on board 50-80 nights a year in 3-5 day jaunts. Then add to it two pinched discs and, as he ages, diminishing balance and other woes which creep into ones his life. In spite of the fact that he has worked real hard for years there ar a few gripes which he is trying to address:
1)The old squat pot is not as convenient or welcome to him as PCB seems to think it ought to be.
2)Showering with a sun warmed shower bag on deck is not an option most of the time in the urban areas of NY NJ, especially during late fall and early spring.
3)Being older now the mans Parents are ancient they need things to grab when visiting
4) the mans kids which are now adults would like to bring their dates/spouces on board but don't want to be embarassed by the conditions aboard. Their inner thoughts are as follows:
a) they can't believe dad would use a coleman stove on board (one bad flare-up like they've seen while camping is all it would take to burn the boat to the waterline) , and,OH!, the arrogance of making the headroom sitting only when the tape measure and saw was in the builders hand all along.
b) they don't ever want to re-live that sweltering day 5 years ago when they had the old sailboat and it was pouring down rain and 90 degrees+ too hot for rain gear. they were all dressed up to meet with the Jones for lunch and could'nt leave the cabin without getting soaked (the Jones, while walking about freely onboard and with good visibility, arrive dry in their hard top cruiser refreshed by thier ac unit )
5) With small successes to drink to the man wants to lounge about deck without burning from the sun or being bit by skeeters. he enjoys the fact that when the ocean breeze picks up on cool October nights he can just drop the roll-down sides and kick on the heat.
6) When things get real dicey during summer t-storms the man snickers as he pulls into the sedges for protection. How well he remembers the last boat, which drew 3or 4', when with great inconveinience, he would have had to stay off and wait out the brief but dangerous event.
Hugo, is there any reason that most of the above issues can't be addresed with tennessee? I think Mundoo may be overkill but couldn't the main cabin have a helm, standing headroom, shower, galley? Could'nt some thought of modern accomodation be worked into the design without the user being called a "Bimbo"?
I guess that canvas could provide some of the desired shelter when needed and then could be folded away when not in use.
You're right that Mundoo shouldn't cost more than 15-20K US to home-build. If one made it with traditional looks would you hate it less?
Is stability that important? I guess it is for you in Tasmania as your more likely to make open crossings in cold water to get around that beautiful Isle.
For me though the Chesapeake is the biggest water I'd see.
Mull it over.
Cheers.
Don Tyson
Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
Look at the pictures. Its revolting, who'd pay $150,000 for a bastardised design only fit for very sheltered waterways.The original looks far better, more useful,workman-like and traditional. They've tried to "jazz up" the original Tennessee design but it looks like a botched backyard job as to styling. Even at standstill she looks like she'll capsize easily, especially with the top-heavy weight of the "Bimbos" on the Stupid Shelter Cab / deckhouse. Don't modify a "Tennessee" to look like this, keep the styling as close to the original as possible. If you really have to, add a windscreen on the cabin roof similar to a "sneakeasy" style screen.Maybe a Bimini-type Fabric awning over the cockpit,easily removable, if you want extra shelter from sun/rain.
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
dbaldnz wrote:
As I remember, their website promos had a picture with a clutch of
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
DonB
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Lets draw up some scenarios to test my theory:
Take the owner for a 6'3" 250lb male with a wife half that weight who stays on board 50-80 nights a year in 3-5 day jaunts. Then add to it two pinched discs and, as he ages, diminishing balance and other woes which creep into ones his life. In spite of the fact that he has worked real hard for years there ar a few gripes which he is trying to address:
1)The old squat pot is not as convenient or welcome to him as PCB seems to think it ought to be.
2)Showering with a sun warmed shower bag on deck is not an option most of the time in the urban areas of NY NJ, especially during late fall and early spring.
3)Being older now the mans Parents are ancient they need things to grab when visiting
4) the mans kids which are now adults would like to bring their dates/spouces on board but don't want to be embarassed by the conditions aboard. Their inner thoughts are as follows:
a) they can't believe dad would use a coleman stove on board (one bad flare-up like they've seen while camping is all it would take to burn the boat to the waterline) , and,OH!, the arrogance of making the headroom sitting only when the tape measure and saw was in the builders hand all along.
b) they don't ever want to re-live that sweltering day 5 years ago when they had the old sailboat and it was pouring down rain and 90 degrees+ too hot for rain gear. they were all dressed up to meet with the Jones for lunch and could'nt leave the cabin without getting soaked (the Jones, while walking about freely onboard and with good visibility, arrive dry in their hard top cruiser refreshed by thier ac unit )
5) With small successes to drink to the man wants to lounge about deck without burning from the sun or being bit by skeeters. he enjoys the fact that when the ocean breeze picks up on cool October nights he can just drop the roll-down sides and kick on the heat.
6) When things get real dicey during summer t-storms the man snickers as he pulls into the sedges for protection. How well he remembers the last boat, which drew 3or 4', when with great inconveinience, he would have had to stay off and wait out the brief but dangerous event.
Hugo, is there any reason that most of the above issues can't be addresed with tennessee? I think Mundoo may be overkill but couldn't the main cabin have a helm, standing headroom, shower, galley? Could'nt some thought of modern accomodation be worked into the design without the user being called a "Bimbo"?
I guess that canvas could provide some of the desired shelter when needed and then could be folded away when not in use.
You're right that Mundoo shouldn't cost more than 15-20K US to home-build. If one made it with traditional looks would you hate it less?
Is stability that important? I guess it is for you in Tasmania as your more likely to make open crossings in cold water to get around that beautiful Isle.
For me though the Chesapeake is the biggest water I'd see.
Mull it over.
Cheers.
Don Tyson
Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
Look at the pictures. Its revolting, who'd pay $150,000 for a bastardised design only fit for very sheltered waterways.The original looks far better, more useful,workman-like and traditional. They've tried to "jazz up" the original Tennessee design but it looks like a botched backyard job as to styling. Even at standstill she looks like she'll capsize easily, especially with the top-heavy weight of the "Bimbos" on the Stupid Shelter Cab / deckhouse. Don't modify a "Tennessee" to look like this, keep the styling as close to the original as possible. If you really have to, add a windscreen on the cabin roof similar to a "sneakeasy" style screen.Maybe a Bimini-type Fabric awning over the cockpit,easily removable, if you want extra shelter from sun/rain.
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
dbaldnz wrote:
As I remember, their website promos had a picture with a clutch of
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
DonB
> This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:Bolger rules!!!
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
>
> Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
> concept.
>
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
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OK, alright, I'll leave off the deckhouse, the extra
flair, and all the other added tophamper; but please,
please don't take away the bimbos. Sam
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flair, and all the other added tophamper; but please,
please don't take away the bimbos. Sam
--- Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
> Look at the pictures. Its revolting, who'd pay__________________________________
> $150,000 for a bastardised design only fit for very
> sheltered waterways.The original looks far better,
> more useful,workman-like and traditional. They've
> tried to "jazz up" the original Tennessee design but
> it looks like a botched backyard job as to styling.
> Even at standstill she looks like she'll capsize
> easily, especially with the top-heavy weight of the
> "Bimbos" on the Stupid Shelter Cab / deckhouse.
> Don't modify a "Tennessee" to look like this, keep
> the styling as close to the original as possible. If
> you really have to, add a windscreen on the cabin
> roof similar to a "sneakeasy" style screen.Maybe a
> Bimini-type Fabric awning over the cockpit,easily
> removable, if you want extra shelter from sun/rain.
>
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Nels, I have not posted any, but there is a very
detailed site on the web of one built in Tennessee, I
think. I don't have the address of the site but you
can find it with a google search using Topaz Bolger
Boat--it is a really detailed look at the
construction, including the false nose bow piece which
is what sets this boat apart from the other sharpies.
The builder also did a nice job with Bolger's folding
boarding ladder/cosmetic grill at the stern, which I
punted on (I just built the grill, fixed in place.
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detailed site on the web of one built in Tennessee, I
think. I don't have the address of the site but you
can find it with a google search using Topaz Bolger
Boat--it is a really detailed look at the
construction, including the false nose bow piece which
is what sets this boat apart from the other sharpies.
The builder also did a nice job with Bolger's folding
boarding ladder/cosmetic grill at the stern, which I
punted on (I just built the grill, fixed in place.
Sam
> Hi Sam,__________________________________
>
> Do you have any photos posted anywhere. I am
> interested in how the
> bow is built and how the stern is finished off.
>
> This boat has a timeless beauty to my eye!
>
> Nels
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I got half done with it before I switched gears to the Wyo. The interior is small but workable for bunks. The plans show pipe berths that can be pivoted up out of the way and I think that is the way to go with the Tennessee. Also, I got the feeling that the Tennessee has a lot of room for weekending and short cruises. The aft storage area is big and holds a lot of camping gear. I believe it's also designed to keep the passengers from gathering at the stern causing handling problems.
Jeff
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Tyson
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Jeff, Wyo?Were all waiting with baited breath to see your final version.......Wyo would be my pick also but for the cost and space needed to finish it. I like your stern drive idea. Did you complete the tennesee exterior hull before you got id of it? If so I wonder what you thought of it?
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
What about a Wyoming?
She's a bit big for trailing but lot's of room and can go fast!
LOL
Jeff
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Minnesota is another design someone pointed out to me when I first joined the group last fall. Bolger should write a book just on his sharpie designs, call it "Boats Without Bottoms".
Bruce Hector
wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson wrote:
> My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the need
to cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
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Look at the pictures. Its revolting, who'd pay $150,000 for a bastardised design only fit for very sheltered waterways.The original looks far better, more useful,workman-like and traditional. They've tried to "jazz up" the original Tennessee design but it looks like a botched backyard job as to styling. Even at standstill she looks like she'll capsize easily, especially with the top-heavy weight of the "Bimbos" on the Stupid Shelter Cab / deckhouse. Don't modify a "Tennessee" to look like this, keep the styling as close to the original as possible. If you really have to, add a windscreen on the cabin roof similar to a "sneakeasy" style screen.Maybe a Bimini-type Fabric awning over the cockpit,easily removable, if you want extra shelter from sun/rain.
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
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As I remember, their website promos had a picture with a clutch of
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
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dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:
As I remember, their website promos had a picture with a clutch of
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
DonB
> This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:Bolger rules!!!
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
>
> Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
> concept.
>
>
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> Union Switch & Signal
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As I remember, their website promos had a picture with a clutch of
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
DonB
bimbos sunning themselves on the top of the roof!
The master would have a fit!
DonB
> This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
>
> Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
> concept.
>
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
Do you have any photos posted anywhere. I am interested in how the
bow is built and how the stern is finished off.
This boat has a timeless beauty to my eye!
Nels
wrote:
> Y ou're right, Bruce, in fact the plans suggest a 9.9Hi Sam,
> hp high-thrust for hull speed. I tow mine with a 6
> cyl. miniature pickup (Chevy S-10) with no problem.
Do you have any photos posted anywhere. I am interested in how the
bow is built and how the stern is finished off.
This boat has a timeless beauty to my eye!
Nels
Tim Flatchens was almost lost on a big lake when a storm cell moved through
with big winds. Only the alertness on the helm and thanking the outboard
for not quitting are the reasons that it survived. A few years ago I
inquired about his boat when I was building the Tennessee and Mr. Flatchen
sent me an email detailing his ordeal. Top heavy is it's obvious problem,
one should not venture out in anything but protected riverways. It think it
would be a great boat for canal cruising or the water ways in Florida but I
don't think it would be a good boat for anything that can developed a chop
of over 1 foot.
Jeff
with big winds. Only the alertness on the helm and thanking the outboard
for not quitting are the reasons that it survived. A few years ago I
inquired about his boat when I was building the Tennessee and Mr. Flatchen
sent me an email detailing his ordeal. Top heavy is it's obvious problem,
one should not venture out in anything but protected riverways. It think it
would be a great boat for canal cruising or the water ways in Florida but I
don't think it would be a good boat for anything that can developed a chop
of over 1 foot.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugo Tyson" <hhetyson@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: tennessee(Mundoo/Mundon't)
> The "Mundoo" is an abberration of Bolger's "Tennessee", its a vile looking
craft, the original "Tennessee" looks far superior and would be far safer
than the "Mundoo" degraded adaptation. Apparently Duck Flat Boats will build
you one for $150,000. (Aud) = Approx. $ 116,000.( US).What a joke.You should
be able to build one complete with trailer, New 4 stroke 10-15 Hp Outboard
etc for about $15,000. (AuD). I'd hate to be in a Mundoo (MUNDON'T )version
of "Tennessee" in anything but calm waters!
> It would only be suited to the inland waterways of the Murray River and
the Hawksbury river systems in Australia. We get quite windy and choppy
conditions during summer here in Australia, especially Tasmania which is the
part of the country I'm most familiar with.
>
> Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
>
> David Romasco <dromasco@...> wrote:
> Seems to me there's been a lot of discussion in the past about these
> Bolger-derived boats down under, in terms of the dangerous creep in both
> weight and tophamper (Wot, no flybridge?). Must be calm waters in Oz..
>
>
>
> David Romasco
>
>
>
> _____
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> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:30 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
>
>
>
> Bruce Hector wrote:
> > BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
>
> This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
>http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
>
> Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
> concept.
>
>
> Bruce Fountain
> Senior Software Engineer
> Union Switch & Signal
> Perth, Western Australia
>
>
>
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The "Mundoo" is an abberration of Bolger's "Tennessee", its a vile looking craft, the original "Tennessee" looks far superior and would be far safer than the "Mundoo" degraded adaptation. Apparently Duck Flat Boats will build you one for $150,000. (Aud) = Approx. $ 116,000.( US).What a joke.You should be able to build one complete with trailer, New 4 stroke 10-15 Hp Outboard etc for about $15,000. (AuD). I'd hate to be in a Mundoo (MUNDON'T )version of "Tennessee" in anything but calm waters!
It would only be suited to the inland waterways of the Murray River and the Hawksbury river systems in Australia. We get quite windy and choppy conditions during summer here in Australia, especially Tasmania which is the part of the country I'm most familiar with.
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
David Romasco <dromasco@...> wrote:
Seems to me there's been a lot of discussion in the past about these
Bolger-derived boats down under, in terms of the dangerous creep in both
weight and tophamper (Wot, no flybridge?). Must be calm waters in Oz..
David Romasco
_____
From:fountainb@...[mailto:fountainb@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:30 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Bruce Hector wrote:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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It would only be suited to the inland waterways of the Murray River and the Hawksbury river systems in Australia. We get quite windy and choppy conditions during summer here in Australia, especially Tasmania which is the part of the country I'm most familiar with.
Hugo Tyson, Tasmania.
David Romasco <dromasco@...> wrote:
Seems to me there's been a lot of discussion in the past about these
Bolger-derived boats down under, in terms of the dangerous creep in both
weight and tophamper (Wot, no flybridge?). Must be calm waters in Oz..
David Romasco
_____
From:fountainb@...[mailto:fountainb@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:30 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Bruce Hector wrote:
> BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Seems to me there's been a lot of discussion in the past about these
Bolger-derived boats down under, in terms of the dangerous creep in both
weight and tophamper (Wot, no flybridge?). Must be calm waters in Oz..
David Romasco
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From:fountainb@...[mailto:fountainb@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:30 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Bruce Hector wrote:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Bolger-derived boats down under, in terms of the dangerous creep in both
weight and tophamper (Wot, no flybridge?). Must be calm waters in Oz..
David Romasco
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:30 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Bruce Hector wrote:
> BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Mundoo is 8' at the gunnels. Seems lke the bottom is still 6' though. how do they protect themselves against the top-heaviness?
Don
fountainb@...wrote:
Bruce Hector wrote:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Don
fountainb@...wrote:
Bruce Hector wrote:
> BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
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Bruce, Congrats, Remember not to square all your work.
Big Time,
Jealous
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside. If you save them as jpegs
on your own machine, you can then enlarge them enough to read the
text in the article too.
Bruce Hector
Digging through my dhoby bag for my worst clothes before reporting
for duty on HMS Bounty tomorrow morning, I'm as excited as I was at
Christmas when I was 12!
Big Time,
Jealous
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
See:
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and click on the two Minnie files inside. If you save them as jpegs
on your own machine, you can then enlarge them enough to read the
text in the article too.
Bruce Hector
Digging through my dhoby bag for my worst clothes before reporting
for duty on HMS Bounty tomorrow morning, I'm as excited as I was at
Christmas when I was 12!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, RKAMILS@a... wrote:
> Hi.
> I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly
just reading
> and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I
have never
> heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally
curious. Does
> anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
> Thanks
> Bob
>
>
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See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside. If you save them as jpegs
on your own machine, you can then enlarge them enough to read the
text in the article too.
Bruce Hector
Digging through my dhoby bag for my worst clothes before reporting
for duty on HMS Bounty tomorrow morning, I'm as excited as I was at
Christmas when I was 12!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside. If you save them as jpegs
on your own machine, you can then enlarge them enough to read the
text in the article too.
Bruce Hector
Digging through my dhoby bag for my worst clothes before reporting
for duty on HMS Bounty tomorrow morning, I'm as excited as I was at
Christmas when I was 12!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, RKAMILS@a... wrote:
> Hi.
> I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly
just reading
> and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I
have never
> heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally
curious. Does
> anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
> Thanks
> Bob
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bruce Hector wrote:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
> BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.This is the Tenessee-derived boat from duckflat:
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo3.php
Quite honestly I think it has drifted a long way from the original
concept.
Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
Bob , try this. it was just posted by someone...Hector i think.
http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0DkQQGK6lYyvucDC0-hjSXf0HcAiey2BVkZ6qqsRXKYdqMO1R1Gj68XruzhrvAfgy00kjueQr5Z6Kgyl-o8Iyziv18Yx7g/Bolger%20scans/Minnesota%201.jpg
RKAMILS@...wrote: Hi.
I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly just reading
and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I have never
heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally curious. Does
anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
Thanks
Bob
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RKAMILS@...wrote: Hi.
I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly just reading
and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I have never
heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally curious. Does
anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
Thanks
Bob
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Jeff, Wyo?Were all waiting with baited breath to see your final version.......Wyo would be my pick also but for the cost and space needed to finish it. I like your stern drive idea. Did you complete the tennesee exterior hull before you got id of it? If so I wonder what you thought of it?
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
What about a Wyoming?
She's a bit big for trailing but lot's of room and can go fast!
LOL
Jeff
Jeff <boatbuilding@...> wrote:
What about a Wyoming?
She's a bit big for trailing but lot's of room and can go fast!
LOL
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Tyson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Minnesota is another design someone pointed out to me when I first joined the group last fall. Bolger should write a book just on his sharpie designs, call it "Boats Without Bottoms".
Bruce Hector
wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson wrote:
> My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the need
to cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
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Hi.
I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly just reading
and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I have never
heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally curious. Does
anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
Thanks
Bob
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I've only signed on to this group a couple of weeks ago. Mostly just reading
and looking. While I know of the Tennessee, Wyoming and Idaho, I have never
heard of the Minnesota. Being from Minnesota, I am naturally curious. Does
anyone know where I might find a photo and info on this.
Thanks
Bob
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What about a Wyoming?
She's a bit big for trailing but lot's of room and can go fast!
LOL
Jeff
She's a bit big for trailing but lot's of room and can go fast!
LOL
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Tyson
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: tennessee
Minnesota is another design someone pointed out to me when I first joined the group last fall. Bolger should write a book just on his sharpie designs, call it "Boats Without Bottoms".
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson wrote:
> My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the need
to cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
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Minnesota is another design someone pointed out to me when I first joined the group last fall. Bolger should write a book just on his sharpie designs, call it "Boats Without Bottoms".
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson wrote:
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
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Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson wrote:
> My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the needto cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
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Yes ! that essentially is what I proposed but in stages.
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:Why couldn't you build a similar layout on Tennessee's hull?
Bruce Hector
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Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:Why couldn't you build a similar layout on Tennessee's hull?
Bruce Hector
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Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:If I was interested in the Tennessee
I also would be interested in the
Topaz, which doesn't really meet
your wish list, but it looks so cool.
Topaz could be towed, but is on the
long end of what would be practical.
Drawn with a Yamaha T-50, I am sure
that PB&F would bless the use of a
20 hp motor on Topaz, with slower
top speed being the result.
http://hallman.org/bolger/topaz/
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I had forgoten about Topaz. I agree she is unique although not as easy to build. Thank for reminding me.
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I also would be interested in the
Topaz, which doesn't really meet
your wish list, but it looks so cool.
Topaz could be towed, but is on the
long end of what would be practical.
Drawn with a Yamaha T-50, I am sure
that PB&F would bless the use of a
20 hp motor on Topaz, with slower
top speed being the result.
http://hallman.org/bolger/topaz/
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> My interest in the tenesseeBolger rules!!!
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I had forgoten about Topaz. I agree she is unique although not as easy to build. Thank for reminding me.
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Brad Raber towed his Topaz from northern MI to southern FL on
a homebuilt trailer with an F-150 pickup truck. I got a ride in it in
MI about 3 years ago. I was impressed with handling -- tight
turns at speed, etc. I believe he has it on Lake Okeechobee now.
He no longer is on our list -- probably too busy building stuff.
Vince Chew
a homebuilt trailer with an F-150 pickup truck. I got a ride in it in
MI about 3 years ago. I was impressed with handling -- tight
turns at speed, etc. I believe he has it on Lake Okeechobee now.
He no longer is on our list -- probably too busy building stuff.
Vince Chew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
> My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the needto cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to
shower or to .....you know what? , often w/guests, desired cruise
speed (15-20)
Stand up head, galley, guests, speed,....
Habe you considered Bolger's other State Series power sharpie, the
Minnesota? It sure fits all those features, has an easy to build
hull, is trailerable, and already looks really cool. The bottom has
no rocker, so she's designed to plane easily. Actually it
technically planing when standing still.
See:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/files/Bolger%20scans/
and click on the two Minnie files inside.
Bruce Hector
BTW, where can I find a pic of Mundo III, I'm not familiar with it.
Y ou're right, Bruce, in fact the plans suggest a 9.9
hp high-thrust for hull speed. I tow mine with a 6
cyl. miniature pickup (Chevy S-10) with no problem.
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hp high-thrust for hull speed. I tow mine with a 6
cyl. miniature pickup (Chevy S-10) with no problem.
> Drawn with a Yamaha T-50, I am sure__________________________________
> that PB&F would bless the use of a
> 20 hp motor on Topaz, with slower
> top speed being the result.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/topaz/
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Why couldn't you build a similar layout on Tennessee's hull?
Bruce Hector
Bruce Hector
If I was interested in the Tennessee
I also would be interested in the
Topaz, which doesn't really meet
your wish list, but it looks so cool.
<grin>
Topaz could be towed, but is on the
long end of what would be practical.
Drawn with a Yamaha T-50, I am sure
that PB&F would bless the use of a
20 hp motor on Topaz, with slower
top speed being the result.
http://hallman.org/bolger/topaz/
--- Don Tyson <tysond99@...> wrote:
I also would be interested in the
Topaz, which doesn't really meet
your wish list, but it looks so cool.
<grin>
Topaz could be towed, but is on the
long end of what would be practical.
Drawn with a Yamaha T-50, I am sure
that PB&F would bless the use of a
20 hp motor on Topaz, with slower
top speed being the result.
http://hallman.org/bolger/topaz/
--- Don Tyson <tysond99@...> wrote:
> My interest in the tenessee
My interest in the tenessee is two-fold 1) first I feel the need to cover miles predictably and 2) Can i stand in the bathrom to shower or to .....you know what? I think Mundoo III is close to what I want except I would want to have a flush head and pressure water shower ( ispent too much time aboard , often w/guests, for the basin and bucket routeine. tankage can be used to encourage stability. The boat can easily and convincingly be build in stages. I was thinking 18-20hp because my desired cruise speed (15-20) could be reached without taxing the motor an also the state of PA raised the 9.9hp limit on most lakes to 20hp.
Thought I might be able to add some flare to the gunnels without too much trouble.
Also thought the boat could be built as an open boat this year. Lobster style cabin next year, cruiser cabin (Mundoo type) the the following year.
I think i could pull this with my Mercury Marquis.
Any thoughts?
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
Chuck at Duckworks said you can either get 15 mph or 15 mpg.
Depending on whether or nor you go full throttle or 1/3 throttle,
thatv with just a 9.9!
Obviously you don't need a 100 HP on the tail.
If you want speed more often than economy build the Idaho. It has no
rocker and is a similar sized full planing boat.
Bruce Hector
P.S. I just signed on with HMS Bounty. (Built by the same yard that
built Bolger's HMS Rose in Nova Scotia) She's wintering here (well
at least in St. Petersburg) and they felt my combo of ex-bos'un,
hobby boat builder, gourmet cook, corrosion inhibiton specialist and
watercolour artist fit their needs just fine.
I start at 9am Friday morn.
I'll post the real skinny on what's hidden from the public below
decks!
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Thought I might be able to add some flare to the gunnels without too much trouble.
Also thought the boat could be built as an open boat this year. Lobster style cabin next year, cruiser cabin (Mundoo type) the the following year.
I think i could pull this with my Mercury Marquis.
Any thoughts?
Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
Chuck at Duckworks said you can either get 15 mph or 15 mpg.
Depending on whether or nor you go full throttle or 1/3 throttle,
thatv with just a 9.9!
Obviously you don't need a 100 HP on the tail.
If you want speed more often than economy build the Idaho. It has no
rocker and is a similar sized full planing boat.
Bruce Hector
P.S. I just signed on with HMS Bounty. (Built by the same yard that
built Bolger's HMS Rose in Nova Scotia) She's wintering here (well
at least in St. Petersburg) and they felt my combo of ex-bos'un,
hobby boat builder, gourmet cook, corrosion inhibiton specialist and
watercolour artist fit their needs just fine.
I start at 9am Friday morn.
I'll post the real skinny on what's hidden from the public below
decks!
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
why should they be cramped at all when the aft quarter of the boat
is useless space? Or, do I misunderstand?
I figure it's like Phil always says. Use you individualality above
the waterline only. There's no reason, other than weight, not to
make use of all that space. Or just lengthen the cabin towards the
rear a foot or two for a wider cabin below deck.
There's a lot you can do with a Tennie.
Bruce Hector
P.S. Nels; there's NOTHING skinny below my decks!
The thing about Tennesee that bothers me is that the bunks in the
cabin are sort of narrow at the foot. Chuck says they work out fine,
but why should they be cramped at all when the aft quarter of the
boat is useless space? Or, do I misunderstand?
Peter
cabin are sort of narrow at the foot. Chuck says they work out fine,
but why should they be cramped at all when the aft quarter of the
boat is useless space? Or, do I misunderstand?
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
skinny hidden below decks on your resume;-)
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> I start at 9am Friday morn.OK Bruce - You do that and we will promise NOT to post the real
>
> I'll post the real skinny on what's hidden from the public below
> decks!
skinny hidden below decks on your resume;-)
Cheers, Nels
Chuck at Duckworks said you can either get 15 mph or 15 mpg.
Depending on whether or nor you go full throttle or 1/3 throttle,
thatv with just a 9.9!
Obviously you don't need a 100 HP on the tail.
If you want speed more often than economy build the Idaho. It has no
rocker and is a similar sized full planing boat.
Bruce Hector
P.S. I just signed on with HMS Bounty. (Built by the same yard that
built Bolger's HMS Rose in Nova Scotia) She's wintering here (well
at least in St. Petersburg) and they felt my combo of ex-bos'un,
hobby boat builder, gourmet cook, corrosion inhibiton specialist and
watercolour artist fit their needs just fine.
I start at 9am Friday morn.
I'll post the real skinny on what's hidden from the public below
decks!
Depending on whether or nor you go full throttle or 1/3 throttle,
thatv with just a 9.9!
Obviously you don't need a 100 HP on the tail.
If you want speed more often than economy build the Idaho. It has no
rocker and is a similar sized full planing boat.
Bruce Hector
P.S. I just signed on with HMS Bounty. (Built by the same yard that
built Bolger's HMS Rose in Nova Scotia) She's wintering here (well
at least in St. Petersburg) and they felt my combo of ex-bos'un,
hobby boat builder, gourmet cook, corrosion inhibiton specialist and
watercolour artist fit their needs just fine.
I start at 9am Friday morn.
I'll post the real skinny on what's hidden from the public below
decks!
I posted a question yesterday about tennesee but I haven't had any comments yet. Also, since the message did not show up in my inbox yet, I figure the message perhaps didn't get out some how.
I want to know if anyone has eperience or an opinion about adding enough power to a Tennessee to use it at planing speeds of between 15-20 miles per hour.
Don
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I want to know if anyone has eperience or an opinion about adding enough power to a Tennessee to use it at planing speeds of between 15-20 miles per hour.
Don
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