Re: Bolger State Series
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
Hi Don,
Well.......old man winter played a nasty trick on us,didn't it?
Everything was going along just swimmingly and along came
Christmas.So far,no big deal....take a few weeks off from the boat
and focus on the festive elements of the season.Based on past
experience,I figured it would be back to business shortly after the
New Year,with expected temperatures somewhere around -8C.
And this is where the trick was played.......temperatures went purely
arctic with -30C almost daily and wind chills over -40C.
I may be nuts but I ain't crazy enough to attempt working out
in those conditions.So,things have been put into hibernation mode at
the boat site and my Pesky Crew has laid on some big time "honey do"
projects to make sure I don't just all go to fat.So far,one big walk-
in closet for the master bedroom(done) and lay in a
laminated "floating floor" everywhere but the kitchen and bathroom.So
far,living room done,and master bedroom started.
I figure I am not only ruining my knees by doing this home
project stuff but,more importantly,earning some really big lovey-
dovey-go-work-on-your-boat-all-summer-long-and-I'll-make-your-lunch-
every-day sorta points,if you know what I mean ;-)
With any kind of luck,I should be back on track somewhere near
the end of Febuary in a snow and spring-time rain proof shop.
Sorry if this was more then you needed to know........I
could've just said,"Sorry Don,but no.".......but I have so much free
time now:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder on a temporary hiatus from real
fun.............
> Yes, I;ve heard that about hulls (planing with enough power).along? >reply,"beautiful"!
>
> Did you add any beautiful topsides before old man winter came
Hi Don,
Well.......old man winter played a nasty trick on us,didn't it?
Everything was going along just swimmingly and along came
Christmas.So far,no big deal....take a few weeks off from the boat
and focus on the festive elements of the season.Based on past
experience,I figured it would be back to business shortly after the
New Year,with expected temperatures somewhere around -8C.
And this is where the trick was played.......temperatures went purely
arctic with -30C almost daily and wind chills over -40C.
I may be nuts but I ain't crazy enough to attempt working out
in those conditions.So,things have been put into hibernation mode at
the boat site and my Pesky Crew has laid on some big time "honey do"
projects to make sure I don't just all go to fat.So far,one big walk-
in closet for the master bedroom(done) and lay in a
laminated "floating floor" everywhere but the kitchen and bathroom.So
far,living room done,and master bedroom started.
I figure I am not only ruining my knees by doing this home
project stuff but,more importantly,earning some really big lovey-
dovey-go-work-on-your-boat-all-summer-long-and-I'll-make-your-lunch-
every-day sorta points,if you know what I mean ;-)
With any kind of luck,I should be back on track somewhere near
the end of Febuary in a snow and spring-time rain proof shop.
Sorry if this was more then you needed to know........I
could've just said,"Sorry Don,but no.".......but I have so much free
time now:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder on a temporary hiatus from real
fun.............
Yes, I;ve heard that about hulls (planing with enough power).
Did you add any beautiful topsides before old man winter came along? >reply,"beautiful"!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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Did you add any beautiful topsides before old man winter came along? >reply,"beautiful"!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
conversation with peers.
I can't recall exactly where Bolger wrote this but he did
state,in essence,that anything can be made to plane,given enough
horsepower.
As designed,neither Champlain nor Windermere are meant to plane.
Whenever anyone asks me what I call my hull, I simply
reply,"beautiful"!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Bruce,and Windmere Plane? I never know what to call these hull in
> How would you classify these hulls. Doesn't at least Champlain
conversation with peers.
> DonHi Don,
I can't recall exactly where Bolger wrote this but he did
state,in essence,that anything can be made to plane,given enough
horsepower.
As designed,neither Champlain nor Windermere are meant to plane.
Whenever anyone asks me what I call my hull, I simply
reply,"beautiful"!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Spoering" <spoering@e...> wrote:
if finished you'll have one heck of an article for "Messing About In
Boats".
Hi John,
Thanks(!) and glad( Canadian word for jealous) to hear that
you are suffering well the warm weather :-) .
Now,what's all this talk about" If life takes a couple of
nice turns........"? Ain't ya supposed ta be in the drivers seat?!?!
You know John, Champlain ain't gonna build herself and Rome wasn't
built in a day, so the sooner you start the better you'll
feel,despite all that miserable heat sapping away your strength :-)
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> Hi Peter -about the "State Series" of Bolger designs, by the time Windermere
>
> Say, if you save all these answeres' your giving to folks
if finished you'll have one heck of an article for "Messing About In
Boats".
>North.
> Hope all is going well with your efforts up in the frozen
>Lauderdale, Fl
> Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft
>nice turns I'll be able to get started on my "Champlain" ------
> It's all in the balmy 70 's down here - If life takes a couple of
Hi John,
Thanks(!) and glad( Canadian word for jealous) to hear that
you are suffering well the warm weather :-) .
Now,what's all this talk about" If life takes a couple of
nice turns........"? Ain't ya supposed ta be in the drivers seat?!?!
You know John, Champlain ain't gonna build herself and Rome wasn't
built in a day, so the sooner you start the better you'll
feel,despite all that miserable heat sapping away your strength :-)
All the best!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Thanks everybody for the informative discussion on this topic.
Someday when I build a Minnie I will stay away from adding a ballast
keel and put my faith in the designer.
Tom
Someday when I build a Minnie I will stay away from adding a ballast
keel and put my faith in the designer.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> Yes maybe it was a 15 HP, but still very minimal HP for a boat of
Tennessee's length.
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
>
> Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:Tennessee does plane, I've seen
photos of the original on some website moving along quite nicely with
a 10HP outboard.She wouldn't be particularly fast, but she is
definately planing, maybe at 10 mph.
>
> hal <hal@c...> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> > The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.
> > have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
> > are very light displacement boats,
> > and are meant to plane.
>
> With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sure
> it is meant to plane.
>
> hal
>
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Yes maybe it was a 15 HP, but still very minimal HP for a boat of Tennessee's length.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:Tennessee does plane, I've seen photos of the original on some website moving along quite nicely with a 10HP outboard.She wouldn't be particularly fast, but she is definately planing, maybe at 10 mph.
hal <hal@...> wrote:
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:Tennessee does plane, I've seen photos of the original on some website moving along quite nicely with a 10HP outboard.She wouldn't be particularly fast, but she is definately planing, maybe at 10 mph.
hal <hal@...> wrote:
On Jan 24, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.
> have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
> are very light displacement boats,
> and are meant to plane.
With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sure
it is meant to plane.
hal
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Tennessee does plane, I've seen photos of the original on some website moving along quite nicely with a 10HP outboard.She wouldn't be particularly fast, but she is definately planing, maybe at 10 mph.
hal <hal@...> wrote:
hal <hal@...> wrote:
On Jan 24, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.
> have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
> are very light displacement boats,
> and are meant to plane.
With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sure
it is meant to plane.
hal
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On Jan 26, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
have a flat run aft. I have, however, gained a new
respect for Tennessee.
hal
> --- hal wrote:I love it! But.... Bolgers planing sharpies usually
>> With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sure
>> it is meant to plane.
>
> See Dick Welch's Tennesee plane,
> not bad for a 15 hp motor.
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
have a flat run aft. I have, however, gained a new
respect for Tennessee.
hal
Someone said recently that with the flat bottom the boat is already planing at rest. I didn't know if they were serious or not but woud like to hear more.
Welch's boat looks happy at that speed.
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--- hal wrote:
not bad for a 15 hp motor.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
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Welch's boat looks happy at that speed.
Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
--- hal wrote:
> With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sureSee Dick Welch's Tennesee plane,
> it is meant to plane.
not bad for a 15 hp motor.
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--- hal wrote:
not bad for a 15 hp motor.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
> With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sureSee Dick Welch's Tennesee plane,
> it is meant to plane.
not bad for a 15 hp motor.
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/tenn4.jpg
On Jan 24, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
it is meant to plane.
hal
> The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.With the Tennessee's rockered bottom I'm not sure
> have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
> are very light displacement boats,
> and are meant to plane.
it is meant to plane.
hal
--- Bruce Hector wrote:
of a hull determine whether it is
a 'sharpie', and I don't think
that Champlain, at least is narrow
enough to qualify as a sharpie,
Micro too.
> Phil calls them power step sharpies.Doesn't the length to width ratio
of a hull determine whether it is
a 'sharpie', and I don't think
that Champlain, at least is narrow
enough to qualify as a sharpie,
Micro too.
Here, here... well said John.
Rick
Rick
> Mr. Bolger
> knows what he's doing, why do we always try to second guess him?
>
> The Boating Curmudgeon
>
>
I think y'all underestimate how monolithically stable these long
flatties are. The addition of ballast would serve only one purpose,
and that would be to degrade these boats performance. Mr. Bolger
knows what he's doing, why do we always try to second guess him?
The Boating Curmudgeon
flatties are. The addition of ballast would serve only one purpose,
and that would be to degrade these boats performance. Mr. Bolger
knows what he's doing, why do we always try to second guess him?
The Boating Curmudgeon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
> Tom This is also a concern of mine. I wondered about using tankage
and maybe an inboard to increase stability?
> Don
>
> >Would the design benefit from a lead keel to increase it's
> stability in choppy waters? The bay that I use can easily reach a 2
> foot chop in the afternoon.
>
>
--- Don Tyson wrote:
Bolger box displacment hulls?
None of the displacment hulls, like the
Champlain, Dakota, or Windermere are
intended to plane.
The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.
have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
are very light displacement boats,
and are meant to plane.
To me, the beauty of the displacment
hulls, [and I am not sure this is
Phil Bolger's original idea], but
I recall him describing the 'light
bulb' going off in his head when
he realized it...[was it in the MAIB
writeup of Pointer?]
Using modernized materials, like
plywood, or steel sheet, you can
only bend in one direction, like
a cylindar. If you have the bottom
and the sides have identical degree
of curvature, the water flowing
across the bottom and the sides are
at equal speed (and pressure). This
prevents tubulance of water getting
sucked across the chine.
Boats like this are pretty good
hydrodynamically, even though they
look unconventional, and are subject
to the derision of some people;
dismissed as 'Bolger boxes'.
I hear that the AS-29, for instance,
is pretty fast for a cruiser sailboat.
> How would you classify these hulls. Doesn't atWhat to call these hulls? Hmmmm,
> least Champlain and Windmere Plane? I never know
> what to call these hull in conversation with peers.
Bolger box displacment hulls?
None of the displacment hulls, like the
Champlain, Dakota, or Windermere are
intended to plane.
The Tennesee, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.
have very flat bottoms [shallow] and
are very light displacement boats,
and are meant to plane.
To me, the beauty of the displacment
hulls, [and I am not sure this is
Phil Bolger's original idea], but
I recall him describing the 'light
bulb' going off in his head when
he realized it...[was it in the MAIB
writeup of Pointer?]
Using modernized materials, like
plywood, or steel sheet, you can
only bend in one direction, like
a cylindar. If you have the bottom
and the sides have identical degree
of curvature, the water flowing
across the bottom and the sides are
at equal speed (and pressure). This
prevents tubulance of water getting
sucked across the chine.
Boats like this are pretty good
hydrodynamically, even though they
look unconventional, and are subject
to the derision of some people;
dismissed as 'Bolger boxes'.
I hear that the AS-29, for instance,
is pretty fast for a cruiser sailboat.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Don Tyson <tysond99@y...> wrote:
Phil calls them power step sharpies.
Bruce Hector
> Bruce, How would you classify these hulls. I never know what tocall these hull in conversation with peers.
Phil calls them power step sharpies.
Bruce Hector
Dakota's 1-1/2" thick bottom and 2" thick shoe use 40 sheets of
1/2 inch (12mm) ply at about 50 lbs. each. Deducting for material
cut off due to the curvature, the bottom weighs about 1800 lbs.
Bolger drew the waterline at a designed displacement of 7300
lbs. The batteries are attached to the bottom midships. The
water and holding tanks are also low. Outboard motor, fuel
tanks, decks and all the cabinetry are attached to the hull below
the shear. I used 3/8" material for the ceiling and cabin top to
reduce weight up high.
Vince Chew
1/2 inch (12mm) ply at about 50 lbs. each. Deducting for material
cut off due to the curvature, the bottom weighs about 1800 lbs.
Bolger drew the waterline at a designed displacement of 7300
lbs. The batteries are attached to the bottom midships. The
water and holding tanks are also low. Outboard motor, fuel
tanks, decks and all the cabinetry are attached to the hull below
the shear. I used 3/8" material for the ceiling and cabin top to
reduce weight up high.
Vince Chew
Bruce,
How would you classify these hulls. Doesn't at least Champlain and Windmere Plane? I never know what to call these hull in conversation with peers.
Don
Explorer and the Advanced Sharpies
all have ballast to sink them down
to a designed waterline. If I am
not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer,
Champlain, Windermere all call for
large battery banks down low which
serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be
properly classified as 'sharpies'.
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How would you classify these hulls. Doesn't at least Champlain and Windmere Plane? I never know what to call these hull in conversation with peers.
Don
>The displacement hull types, witha fat body, like Dakota, the Sitka
Explorer and the Advanced Sharpies
all have ballast to sink them down
to a designed waterline. If I am
not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer,
Champlain, Windermere all call for
large battery banks down low which
serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be
properly classified as 'sharpies'.
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Tom This is also a concern of mine. I wondered about using tankage and maybe an inboard to increase stability?
Don
foot chop in the afternoon.
Tom
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Don
>Would the design benefit from a lead keel to increase it'sstability in choppy waters? The bay that I use can easily reach a 2
foot chop in the afternoon.
Tom
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Hi Peter -
Say, if you save all these answeres' your giving to folks about the "State Series" of Bolger designs, by the time Windermere if finished you'll have one heck of an article for "Messing About In Boats".
Hope all is going well with your efforts up in the frozen North.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
It's all in the balmy 70 's down here - If life takes a couple of nice turns I'll be able to get started on my "Champlain" ------
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Say, if you save all these answeres' your giving to folks about the "State Series" of Bolger designs, by the time Windermere if finished you'll have one heck of an article for "Messing About In Boats".
Hope all is going well with your efforts up in the frozen North.
Aloha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale, Fl
It's all in the balmy 70 's down here - If life takes a couple of nice turns I'll be able to get started on my "Champlain" ------
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
If I am not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer, Champlain, Windermere all call
for large battery banks down low which serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be properly classified as 'sharpies'.
As does Tahiti which Bolger's describes as a sharpie hull with a sharp bow
cut-water.
FrankB
From: Bruce Hallman [mailto:bruce@...]
If I am not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer, Champlain, Windermere all call
for large battery banks down low which serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be properly classified as 'sharpies'.
As does Tahiti which Bolger's describes as a sharpie hull with a sharp bow
cut-water.
FrankB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
Except perhaps for the last item - which might get you banned:-)
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
>>Would love to hear a full accounting.
> Is it appropriate to post my recount of the days activities on
> Bounty here? Let me know, don't want to be banned again!
>
> Bos'un Bruce Hector
> of the deeply stained, worn raw and well "creamed" paws, trying not
> to let my flagon of hootch slip through my heavily Jergin'd mitts.
>
> Ahhhh, a sailor's life is never easy. Sip, Sip,
> Ahhhhhh......
>
> Did I ever tell ye' the many uses of a 5 gallon pail of Crisco on a
> fully rigged ship?
Except perhaps for the last item - which might get you banned:-)
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Like, maybe, where Bruce Hector is right now?
I'm reading all the state series posts with interest while licking
my war wounds (bragging rights well earned!) with pride after my
first full day crewing on HMS Bounty.
She's wintering here also.
Bounty was built in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, I believe by the same
yard that built HMS ROse. One of today's Bounty deckhands had crewd
on the Rose earlier. Has a nice HMS ROse hat that he wouldn't sell
or trade, dang it all!
Is it appropriate to post my recount of the days activities on
Bounty here? Let me know, don't want to be banned again!
Bos'un Bruce Hector
of the deeply stained, worn raw and well "creamed" paws, trying not
to let my flagon of hootch slip through my heavily Jergin'd mitts.
Ahhhh, a sailor's life is never easy. Sip, Sip,
Ahhhhhh......
Did I ever tell ye' the many uses of a 5 gallon pail of Crisco on a
fully rigged ship?
--- Peter Lenihan wrote:
suits your clothes.
Like, maybe, where Bruce Hector is
right now?
> In fact, in real hard ice-up areas,...or cruised to where the climate
> she could be hauled up on
> land,blocked,RV Park
suits your clothes.
Like, maybe, where Bruce Hector is
right now?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
?
>
> Anyone second guessing a Bolger
> sharpie hull should always
> bear in mind that Phil Bolger
> has designed more sharpies
> that anyone, and that some
> believe that he is the most
> knowledgeable designer of
> sharpie hulls of all time.
Bruce,
All very good points in your posting! As for Windermere(she's
gonna cry when she finds out you called her"fat bodied"!) she is a
sharpie with a certain "je ne sais quoi"...is it the box keel,is it
the fillet pieces.....I'm not sure but she should ride the waves like
a velvet glove over polished wood.
And she is indeed "ballasted" to the extant that with her battery
banks and a full store of cruising goodies on board,Bolger states
that"her ballast ratio reaches 50%,all intended to counter her
windage and upper weights on her stable square mid-section drawing
under a foot." The "dry" hull has a 33% de facto ballast ratio.
Also,she is intended as a 4 season live-a-board and with her
insulation should be able to handle most cold weather conditions with
grace. In fact, in real hard ice-up areas,she could be hauled up on
land,blocked,plugged in and become as comfortable as most large
mobile RVs which hook up in a similar fashion in RV parks.
With her full standing headroom throughout,separate and dedicated
living areas well defined, along with variable options for
experiencing degrees of the great outdoors,not to mention her great
capacity for extended independant cruising away from marinas for
weeks at a time......why it's a wonder more folk aren't building
their own Windermere :-)
O.K.,O.K,....so maybe this sounds like a cheap sales pitch but it
is worth considering for those hooked on a "states series" sort of
boat but who may really need more boat then the "states series" can
offer in any given length,like the "lake series".I just think of the
vast(and not so vast) differences between a 22' Champlain and the 29'
Tennessee. Both are good,sound, proven designs but Champlain has it
all over Tennessee for total cruising comfort in a length most folk
can readily handle,store and trailer.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, totally smitten with Windermere and mighty glad that
polygamy is frowned upon otherwise I'd have a fleet of mistresses
taking me to the poor house,from along the banks of the damned cold
St.Lawrence...........
--- Tom Rund wrote:
sharpie hull should always
bear in mind that Phil Bolger
has designed more sharpies
that anyone, and that some
believe that he is the most
knowledgeable designer of
sharpie hulls of all time.
That is not to say that Bolger
is perfect, and that someone's
second guess might not be an
improvement, but my bet will be
on Bolger.
As to ballast in one of the
flat bottom 'riverine' sharpies
Bolger writes repeatedly of the
light weight of these boats
as being a virture, I doubt he
would approve of adding ballast
to the 'flat bottom type', like
Tennesee, Sneakeasy, Idaho, Lake
Launch, Minnesota and Wyoming.
I think that the weight of the
wood in the thicker bottom gives
these boats the center of gravity to
stay on their feet. I also recall he
also has written that he more recently
favors adding an additional 'shoe' like
Clam Skiff to hulls like this.
He only recommends these flat
bottom types in protected waters.
You could ask Bolger about a two
foot chop and the Tennesee, but
I bet that he would see no problem.
The displacement hull types, with
a fat body, like Dakota, the Sitka
Explorer and the Advanced Sharpies
all have ballast to sink them down
to a designed waterline. If I am
not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer,
Champlain, Windermere all call for
large battery banks down low which
serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be
properly classified as 'sharpies'.
> Bolger State SharpiesAnyone second guessing a Bolger
> Would the design benefit
> from a lead keel
> to increase it's
> stability in choppy waters?
sharpie hull should always
bear in mind that Phil Bolger
has designed more sharpies
that anyone, and that some
believe that he is the most
knowledgeable designer of
sharpie hulls of all time.
That is not to say that Bolger
is perfect, and that someone's
second guess might not be an
improvement, but my bet will be
on Bolger.
As to ballast in one of the
flat bottom 'riverine' sharpies
Bolger writes repeatedly of the
light weight of these boats
as being a virture, I doubt he
would approve of adding ballast
to the 'flat bottom type', like
Tennesee, Sneakeasy, Idaho, Lake
Launch, Minnesota and Wyoming.
I think that the weight of the
wood in the thicker bottom gives
these boats the center of gravity to
stay on their feet. I also recall he
also has written that he more recently
favors adding an additional 'shoe' like
Clam Skiff to hulls like this.
He only recommends these flat
bottom types in protected waters.
You could ask Bolger about a two
foot chop and the Tennesee, but
I bet that he would see no problem.
The displacement hull types, with
a fat body, like Dakota, the Sitka
Explorer and the Advanced Sharpies
all have ballast to sink them down
to a designed waterline. If I am
not mistaken, Dakota, Sitka Explorer,
Champlain, Windermere all call for
large battery banks down low which
serve double duty as ballast. I am
not sure that all these would be
properly classified as 'sharpies'.
I know the Wyo doesn't and I don't believe any others have ballast. Most have heavy bottoms to provide the ballast. I.E. the Dakota has something like 5 inches thick down the center of her bottom. The Wyo is 1 1/2" inch thick and weighs in at about 1700 lbs.
I don't think the long power sharpies like the Minnesota, Wyoming, Illinois, and maybe even the Tennessee would have a huge problem with 2 foot chop as long as it was chop and not swells. Something that the boat can bridge across several waves at a time would make it safe enough. Of course big winds add another element of concern if your a bit top heavy. I believe if you build them as designed they will be safe for their designed environment.
Jeff
I don't think the long power sharpies like the Minnesota, Wyoming, Illinois, and maybe even the Tennessee would have a huge problem with 2 foot chop as long as it was chop and not swells. Something that the boat can bridge across several waves at a time would make it safe enough. Of course big winds add another element of concern if your a bit top heavy. I believe if you build them as designed they will be safe for their designed environment.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Rund
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: [bolger] Bolger State Series
This discussion about the Bolger State Sharpies has increased my
interest in building one of these. I especially like the Minnesota.
However, I'm currently building a Sneakeasy so it will have to wait.
Question: On these larger sharpies, does the design call for any
ballast? Would the design benefit from a lead keel to increase it's
stability in choppy waters? The bay that I use can easily reach a 2
foot chop in the afternoon.
Tom
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This discussion about the Bolger State Sharpies has increased my
interest in building one of these. I especially like the Minnesota.
However, I'm currently building a Sneakeasy so it will have to wait.
Question: On these larger sharpies, does the design call for any
ballast? Would the design benefit from a lead keel to increase it's
stability in choppy waters? The bay that I use can easily reach a 2
foot chop in the afternoon.
Tom
interest in building one of these. I especially like the Minnesota.
However, I'm currently building a Sneakeasy so it will have to wait.
Question: On these larger sharpies, does the design call for any
ballast? Would the design benefit from a lead keel to increase it's
stability in choppy waters? The bay that I use can easily reach a 2
foot chop in the afternoon.
Tom