Re: [bolger] Re: aftermarket windows

Vince, How is the progress? Is there a progress report in the works?

Don

soussouchew <vachew@...> wrote:
I put 1/4 acrylic (Plexiglass) all around in Dakota except the helm
and passenger forward window which may get wipers someday.
Acrylic is easy to work with. I cut it on a tablesaw with a standard
carbide tooth blade. It was much less expensive than the
laminated glass. I used wood framing and Dow 4200. The 4200
forms a flexible seal, but will peel off acrylic easily when cured
(has to be scraped off of glass). I coved the uncured stuff with a
finger then used a straight -edge after it cured to cut through the
excess about 3/8" onto the the plastic. The scratch doesn't show
as long as it is at the edge where the 4200 stops. If you slip, then
that scratch will show. I'll find out just how good a seal it is when
I get it launched this summer (we hope!)

Vince Chew


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I have the plans for Champlain from Bolger. They call for all windows to be
1/4" laminated plate glass. This is quite expensive and heavy, part of the
reason why the completed boat is heavy and needs a pretty good tow vehicle. The
expense is increased as the edges of the opening ones need to be polished
since they are not in frames. They slide up and down and cannot have rough edges
as would be OK if they were to be sealed in a frame. I suppose the attitude
is that why have cheap windows that will scratch (plastic) in such a boat.
This is part of the reason why I decided to build Bantam instead of Champlain.
I am planing to do long distance towing and don't want to tow something that
heavy with that much windage. Second, I don't want to pay roughly $2000.00 just
for windows, which is the estimate I got here in Duluth, MN.
Bob

PS - anyone want to buy plans for Champlain?


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I put 1/4 acrylic (Plexiglass) all around in Dakota except the helm
and passenger forward window which may get wipers someday.
Acrylic is easy to work with. I cut it on a tablesaw with a standard
carbide tooth blade. It was much less expensive than the
laminated glass. I used wood framing and Dow 4200. The 4200
forms a flexible seal, but will peel off acrylic easily when cured
(has to be scraped off of glass). I coved the uncured stuff with a
finger then used a straight -edge after it cured to cut through the
excess about 3/8" onto the the plastic. The scratch doesn't show
as long as it is at the edge where the 4200 stops. If you slip, then
that scratch will show. I'll find out just how good a seal it is when
I get it launched this summer (we hope!)

Vince Chew
I put 1/4 acrylic (Plexiglass) all around in Dakota except the helm
and passenger forward window which may get wipers someday.
Acrylic is easy to work with. I cut it on a tablesaw with a standard
carbide tooth blade. It was much less expensive than the
laminated glass. I used wood framing and Dow 4200. The 4200
forms a flexible seal, but will peel off acrylic easily when cured
(has to be scraped off of glass). I coved the uncured stuff with a
finger then used a straight -edge after it cured to cut through the
excess about 3/8" onto the the plastic. The scratch doesn't show
as long as it is at the edge where the 4200 stops. If you slip, then
that scratch will show. I'll find out just how good a seal it is when
I get it launched this summer (we hope!)

Vince Chew
Just a comment. I don't believe laminated glass is tempered. Tempered
glass is pretty heavy if weight matters.
Bob Chamberland
> >
> > The MAIB write up seems to leave the choice
> > between Lexan, tempered glass, or laminated
> > tempered glass up to the builder.
> >
> > I suspect that store bought tempered
> > windows would be approved by PB&F???
> >
>
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I suspect Bolger's recommendation would be like that
for the Topaz--plexi or lexan for the side and rear
windows; laminated glass for the forward openings
which have winshield wipers. Sam
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> --- Don Tyson <tysond99@...> wrote:
> > Robust, Eh? but what are the specs,
>
> The MAIB write up seems to leave the choice
> between Lexan, tempered glass, or laminated
> tempered glass up to the builder.
>
> I suspect that store bought tempered
> windows would be approved by PB&F???
>

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--- Don Tyson <tysond99@...> wrote:
> Robust, Eh? but what are the specs,

The MAIB write up seems to leave the choice
between Lexan, tempered glass, or laminated
tempered glass up to the builder.

I suspect that store bought tempered
windows would be approved by PB&F???
====================================
cut and pasted quote from PB&F below
====================================

Champlain
22�6� x7�ll� x ll�(hull)/16�(OB)
Champlain is a displacement-speed,
low-power coastal cruiser for two that re-in-
troduces the traditional glasshouse launch
con-
cept in an updated, safe and economical form.
In its first realization, the concept of
fully
enclosing the day or cruising powerboat with
glass was popular around the turn of this
cen-
tury. The advantages for the passengers are
obvious: full view of their surroundings
while
allowing protection from wind, sun and spray
behind a closeable curtain of glass. This
type
eventually lost its popularity since
contempo-
rary glass technology was still in its
infancy
in respect to the inevitable injury hazards
of
plain plate glass breakage in a moving struc-
ture.
Today we benefit from tempered safety
glass and laminated glass, both exceedingly
scratch resistant and, if generously thick,
of
adequate breaking strength as demonstrated
daily in automobile and bus service. Of even
greater safety and breakage resistance are
ad-
vanced clear plastics such as GE�s Lexan
used,
for instance, in the cockpit bubbles of
fighter
jets. Like glass, available in a variety of
strengths, plastics� greatest shortcoming,
though, is usually its inferior surface
hardness,
i.e., it is much more scratch prone than any
glass, eventually losing its utility for the
glass
launch when it gradually goes �blind� and
sometimes discolors. Since the surface area
of a glass launch�s windows is significant,
su-
perior scratch resistance with adequate
break-
ing strength is imperative to protect this
con-
siderable investment over time, trailer and
cruising miles.
With current glass-technology,
Champlain�s characteristic silhouette
presents
layout opportunities which offer superior
com-
forts for a boat of her size and cost. Head
and
elbow room and the various seating positions
dictate few restraints to the occupants,
whether
on a twosome extended cruise or a day outing
carrying six. Champlain�s unique glasshouse
launch configuration combines the conven-
tionally separated interior and exterior
living
and lounging spaces in one coherent
structure.
As a welcome consequence, this allows the
reduction to a bare minimum of cockpit and
deck spaces, and thus in her necessary
overall
size and cost. The generous salon functions
as
the cockpit and wheelhouse and vice-versa.
Her characteristic ambience of airiness
is enhanced by the seven opening and screened
windows in her sides, plus the two doors and
the four-by-four foot sliding hatch forward.
Apart from allowing storage and tankage vol-
ume necessary for cruising, Champlain�s el-

evated settee midsection is the key to com-
fortable seating arrangements at adequate
viewing height for all passengers to take
full
advantage of the over 3000 field of vision.
The helm�s combination of both stand-
ing headroom and elevated sitting position at
the adjustable wheel this far forward guaran-
tees a good view, including straight aft, to
make navigation even in crowded waters un-
dramatic. Visual �depth-sounding,� including
a quick dash to the bow or exceedingly con-
trolled �dry foot� beachings are low-stress
possibilities. Single handed docking or
anchor-
ing in a current, for instance, are safe and
pre-
dictable propositions from the protection of
her bow cockpit. A flip-up chart table is lo
Actually this option would be great for rear bulkhead windows and and doors.

Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:Maybe Bruce Hector wasn't as beer be-fuddled as I thought he was suggesting store bought windows if they fit saftey glass to them as an option

fritzdfk wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector"

wrote:
> Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?
>
> Bruce Hector

Any house window manufacturer will put tempered glass in a window. It
is code for windows next to doors for example. I have thought about
this myself and it might work very well for some designs. A well
constructed plastic frame house style window with tempered glass
would be quite robust.

fritz



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Robust, Eh? but what are the specs, tempered glass or plexiglas or lexan?

fritzdfk <gaffcat@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector"

wrote:
> Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?
>
> Bruce Hector

Any house window manufacturer will put tempered glass in a window. It
is code for windows next to doors for example. I have thought about
this myself and it might work very well for some designs. A well
constructed plastic frame house style window with tempered glass
would be quite robust.

fritz


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Maybe Bruce Hector wasn't as beer be-fuddled as I thought he was suggesting store bought windows if they fit saftey glass to them as an option

fritzdfk <gaffcat@...> wrote:--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?
>
> Bruce Hector

Any house window manufacturer will put tempered glass in a window. It
is code for windows next to doors for example. I have thought about
this myself and it might work very well for some designs. A well
constructed plastic frame house style window with tempered glass
would be quite robust.

fritz



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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?
>
> Bruce Hector

Any house window manufacturer will put tempered glass in a window. It
is code for windows next to doors for example. I have thought about
this myself and it might work very well for some designs. A well
constructed plastic frame house style window with tempered glass
would be quite robust.

fritz
I assume the windows in Champlain are Plexiglass not glass. Any one know what is in the specs?



Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:

Bruce Hector
wrote:
Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?

Bruce Hector
Don Tyson wrote: Do you mean house windows?



He'd be out of his Can-A-dian mind if he meant house windows, unless he likes practicing first-aid when they all shatter during a rough weather passage. Maybe the Maudite has clouded his judgement on nautical matters.

Hugo Tyson.




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Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?

Bruce Hector
Don Tyson <tysond99@...> wrote: Do you mean house windows?



He'd be out of his Can-A-dian mind if he meant house windows, unless he likes practicing first-aid when they all shatter during a rough weather passage. Maybe the Maudite has clouded his judgement on nautical matters.

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Do you mean house windows?


Bruce Hector <bruce_hector@...> wrote:
Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?

Bruce Hector


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Why not put store bought windows in a Champlain, Dakota, etc.?

Bruce Hector