RE: [bolger] Re: Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
Hi Nels,
Actually, I do plan to trailer the boat all the time, no moorings in my
immediate plans, and slips and docks in these parts cost more than my house.
Besides I'm already an insomniac, and when the wind comes up I know I won't
sleep a wink unless my boat is safely tucked in beside the garage. With that
long stick and my occasionally weak back in mind, I decided to go with
birds-mouth spars. I did both mizzen and main sprit booms last winter out of
doug fir decking and they are quite light for their size and strength; I'm
about to tackle the mizzen mast and will do the mainmast last. I put off
doing the masts as I didn't yet have the room in my shop for setting up my
full-size 'spar bench' (two canoe strongbacks end-to-end), and I need the
bench to support the scarfing of strips for the mainmast. I also needed to
convince myself I could get a 26' spar out of my basement!
I may eventually get a little creative with sailplan, but first I figure
I'll live with the basic rig and see how it goes. One of the things that
drew me to Micro is the simplicity of the rig, and when Peter let me sail
Lestat on Lake Champlain, I really enjoyed the feeling of a big, steady boat
underneath, and a single string to pull. I sail to relax, and that's how it
felt. I'd have to look at the plans to know what the increase in sail area
is for the 26' mast over the 23 footer; I can't remember off the top of my
head. But Bolger himself has said he added that option to answer complaints
of poor performance in light air, as the added sail is up higher where it'll
do the most good - sounded like he did it just for me. Paraphrasing his
letter from memory, 'They're not dogs by any means, but I think you will
enjoy the added performance this will provide'. I definitely got the
impression he wanted someone to try it, as at the time I bought plans I
don't think it had yet been built. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has
since passed me, I've been going so slowly with this project.
I, too, have pored over my Sailrite catalogs and fantasized about a cute
dodger of some sort on my Micro; but custom cushions will be a higher
priority. First I just need to get the boat in the water!
Paul
Actually, I do plan to trailer the boat all the time, no moorings in my
immediate plans, and slips and docks in these parts cost more than my house.
Besides I'm already an insomniac, and when the wind comes up I know I won't
sleep a wink unless my boat is safely tucked in beside the garage. With that
long stick and my occasionally weak back in mind, I decided to go with
birds-mouth spars. I did both mizzen and main sprit booms last winter out of
doug fir decking and they are quite light for their size and strength; I'm
about to tackle the mizzen mast and will do the mainmast last. I put off
doing the masts as I didn't yet have the room in my shop for setting up my
full-size 'spar bench' (two canoe strongbacks end-to-end), and I need the
bench to support the scarfing of strips for the mainmast. I also needed to
convince myself I could get a 26' spar out of my basement!
I may eventually get a little creative with sailplan, but first I figure
I'll live with the basic rig and see how it goes. One of the things that
drew me to Micro is the simplicity of the rig, and when Peter let me sail
Lestat on Lake Champlain, I really enjoyed the feeling of a big, steady boat
underneath, and a single string to pull. I sail to relax, and that's how it
felt. I'd have to look at the plans to know what the increase in sail area
is for the 26' mast over the 23 footer; I can't remember off the top of my
head. But Bolger himself has said he added that option to answer complaints
of poor performance in light air, as the added sail is up higher where it'll
do the most good - sounded like he did it just for me. Paraphrasing his
letter from memory, 'They're not dogs by any means, but I think you will
enjoy the added performance this will provide'. I definitely got the
impression he wanted someone to try it, as at the time I bought plans I
don't think it had yet been built. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has
since passed me, I've been going so slowly with this project.
I, too, have pored over my Sailrite catalogs and fantasized about a cute
dodger of some sort on my Micro; but custom cushions will be a higher
priority. First I just need to get the boat in the water!
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
How much added sail area do you get using the taller mast? I find the
existing mast to be at about the limit of easy handling when
trailering. Course you don't plan to trailer much.
Have you pursued the idea at all, of installing a jib or some sort of
light air head sail? Of course that involves a bowsprit and the
complication of getting the headsail past the forward end of the
sprit when tacking. But that's what the old-timers did. Used more
sail options.
I downloaded and studied the instructions for building a dodger and
found them to be very complete and understandable. The only tricky
part is attaching the front of the dodger to the deck to stay clear
of the hatch when it is open. I can see it being really worthwhile to
have a dodger installed so that one can have the hatch open when it
is raining.
Also looked at the instructions for a travel cover which are very
informative.
Cheers, Nels
> Greetings, Nels,I'm one of those
> annoying purist types who doesn't start the motor until someoneholds a gun
> to his head, so I want every bit of ooomph I can get out of mysails.
How much added sail area do you get using the taller mast? I find the
existing mast to be at about the limit of easy handling when
trailering. Course you don't plan to trailer much.
Have you pursued the idea at all, of installing a jib or some sort of
light air head sail? Of course that involves a bowsprit and the
complication of getting the headsail past the forward end of the
sprit when tacking. But that's what the old-timers did. Used more
sail options.
I downloaded and studied the instructions for building a dodger and
found them to be very complete and understandable. The only tricky
part is attaching the front of the dodger to the deck to stay clear
of the hatch when it is open. I can see it being really worthwhile to
have a dodger installed so that one can have the hatch open when it
is raining.
Also looked at the instructions for a travel cover which are very
informative.
Cheers, Nels
Greetings, Nels,
I love the looks and the concept of the Chinese gaff, would really like to
experiment with it and may do so someday (maybe even in polytarp!) if I ever
get a mooring; but for simplicity of trailering and frequent
setups/takedowns, I chose the taller 'standard' sail. I'm one of those
annoying purist types who doesn't start the motor until someone holds a gun
to his head, so I want every bit of ooomph I can get out of my sails. I
wouldn't have a motor at all if I thought I could get away with it, both for
the annoyance, the maintenance, and to keep me under the registration and
tax radar. But I really wanted the room and the seaworthiness the Micro
possesses, the lower-profile auxiliary rowers didn't look comfortable enough
to persuade my own 'pesky crew' that this was a worthwhile venture, and I
worried about trying to get to Nantucket in one. All my local bays have
narrow manmade channels facing too far into the prevailing SSW winds to
allow me to sail out, I surmise it's to keep them from silting up, so I know
I'll need a mechanical boost to get out to open water when the tide and wind
are against me. I worked out some less radical reef points with the Sailrite
guru to give a wider range for conditions I'll mostly be sailing in here,
and ran the whole concept by Phil, and he said he thought I would be very
happy with this setup for my home waters, which he is familiar with.
Kudos to Sailrite - they really take the 'voodoo' out of sailmaking, and
bring it well within reach of anyone capable of building their own boat.
Everything is impeccably laid out and marked, and you would really have to
work at it to flub the job. The sewing part is not that hard, especially
following their tips if you're rusty or new at it. I've sewn outdoor gear
for myself for 25 years and they demystified my old machine and improved the
quality of my work considerably. The written instructions are very complete,
but if you need to you can pick up the phone during business hours and talk
to the guy who designs them all and programs the CAD-cutter; he's truly
excellent at translating sailmaking science to laymans terms and very
patient in dealing with the public. Though I haven't seen wind on my sails
yet, I'm very confident that they were designed right - when I asked
questions it was obvious this guy was way, way ahead of me, and I'd just
reread 'Sailmaker's Apprentice' cover to cover to be sure I asked all the
right questions. He was obviously quite intimate with the Micro's sails, had
recently worked up the geometry for the larger sail so it was in his head
and he'd thought about it some, and was very happy to have someone call and
request one. I would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone.
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
Which sail plan did you decide on and why did you choose the one you
did?
I love the looks and the concept of the Chinese gaff, would really like to
experiment with it and may do so someday (maybe even in polytarp!) if I ever
get a mooring; but for simplicity of trailering and frequent
setups/takedowns, I chose the taller 'standard' sail. I'm one of those
annoying purist types who doesn't start the motor until someone holds a gun
to his head, so I want every bit of ooomph I can get out of my sails. I
wouldn't have a motor at all if I thought I could get away with it, both for
the annoyance, the maintenance, and to keep me under the registration and
tax radar. But I really wanted the room and the seaworthiness the Micro
possesses, the lower-profile auxiliary rowers didn't look comfortable enough
to persuade my own 'pesky crew' that this was a worthwhile venture, and I
worried about trying to get to Nantucket in one. All my local bays have
narrow manmade channels facing too far into the prevailing SSW winds to
allow me to sail out, I surmise it's to keep them from silting up, so I know
I'll need a mechanical boost to get out to open water when the tide and wind
are against me. I worked out some less radical reef points with the Sailrite
guru to give a wider range for conditions I'll mostly be sailing in here,
and ran the whole concept by Phil, and he said he thought I would be very
happy with this setup for my home waters, which he is familiar with.
Kudos to Sailrite - they really take the 'voodoo' out of sailmaking, and
bring it well within reach of anyone capable of building their own boat.
Everything is impeccably laid out and marked, and you would really have to
work at it to flub the job. The sewing part is not that hard, especially
following their tips if you're rusty or new at it. I've sewn outdoor gear
for myself for 25 years and they demystified my old machine and improved the
quality of my work considerably. The written instructions are very complete,
but if you need to you can pick up the phone during business hours and talk
to the guy who designs them all and programs the CAD-cutter; he's truly
excellent at translating sailmaking science to laymans terms and very
patient in dealing with the public. Though I haven't seen wind on my sails
yet, I'm very confident that they were designed right - when I asked
questions it was obvious this guy was way, way ahead of me, and I'd just
reread 'Sailmaker's Apprentice' cover to cover to be sure I asked all the
right questions. He was obviously quite intimate with the Micro's sails, had
recently worked up the geometry for the larger sail so it was in his head
and he'd thought about it some, and was very happy to have someone call and
request one. I would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone.
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From: Nels [mailto:arvent@...]
>Hi Paul,
Which sail plan did you decide on and why did you choose the one you
did?
Oh, noooooooooooo.....
Without going into too much detail, Bolger and Common Sense have had issues
over non-payment of royalties.
According to a number of posts here, Common Sense also has had issues with
fulfilling orders. They appear to have moved recently from Oregon to BC,
now that they are in presumably settled in their new home, perhaps order
fulfillment will improve. There are also numerous accounts that the
blueprints Common Sense sends out are illegible in places, owing to an
overused original. I've seen a set made by Common Sense about 6 years ago,
and they are not as readable as the plans you get directly from Bolger.
Bolger sells the plans for about $150 last time I checked. I paid $120 for
mine from him in 1999-2000. And they are imminently readable...
Without going into too much detail, Bolger and Common Sense have had issues
over non-payment of royalties.
According to a number of posts here, Common Sense also has had issues with
fulfilling orders. They appear to have moved recently from Oregon to BC,
now that they are in presumably settled in their new home, perhaps order
fulfillment will improve. There are also numerous accounts that the
blueprints Common Sense sends out are illegible in places, owing to an
overused original. I've seen a set made by Common Sense about 6 years ago,
and they are not as readable as the plans you get directly from Bolger.
Bolger sells the plans for about $150 last time I checked. I paid $120 for
mine from him in 1999-2000. And they are imminently readable...
----- Original Message -----
From: "queeqeg87" <queeqeg87@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> The epoxy kits were listed on the Common Sense website. I
> thought Bolger and Common Sense were one in the same.
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "queeqeg87" <queeqeg87@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> The epoxy kits were listed on the Common Sense website. I
> thought Bolger and Common Sense were one in the same.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...>
> wrote:
> > --- queeqeg87 wrote:
> > > I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits
> >
> > I don't think so, there
> > must be some misunderstanding.
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
First time I saw one with the sailing rig. For some reason I thought
it had a sprit sail.
Nels
> >> "Seven foot Catboat"!?of an
>
> Queen Mab. There are a few on the web.
>http://www.strangepaintings.com/Launchingday.htm
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/symposium/craft.htm
> A little gem. Were I smaller and lighter I'd build one in the blink
> eye. Well, I'd start in the blink of an eye...Thanks Derek,
>
> cheers
> Derek
First time I saw one with the sailing rig. For some reason I thought
it had a sprit sail.
Nels
>> "Seven foot Catboat"!?Queen Mab. There are a few on the web.
http://www.strangepaintings.com/Launchingday.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/articles/symposium/craft.htm
A little gem. Were I smaller and lighter I'd build one in the blink of an
eye. Well, I'd start in the blink of an eye...
cheers
Derek
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
Thanks for the update and a very informative post.
Which sail plan did you decide on and why did you choose the one you
did?
I had not perused Sailrite for awhile and I noticed they had some
sails for Bolger boats I am not familiar with. One was a small gaff
sail for a "Seven foot Catboat"!? Another was for a boat
called "Camper Cruiser" with a gaff main and a small mizzen.
I also see where Sailrite has some really nice instruction manuals
for free downloading for biminis, boat covers and dodgers. Completely
detailed as Sailrite is famous for!
Cheers, Nels
> Paul Lefebvre, back to sparmaking in the basement, on Cape CodHi Paul,
>
Thanks for the update and a very informative post.
Which sail plan did you decide on and why did you choose the one you
did?
I had not perused Sailrite for awhile and I noticed they had some
sails for Bolger boats I am not familiar with. One was a small gaff
sail for a "Seven foot Catboat"!? Another was for a boat
called "Camper Cruiser" with a gaff main and a small mizzen.
I also see where Sailrite has some really nice instruction manuals
for free downloading for biminis, boat covers and dodgers. Completely
detailed as Sailrite is famous for!
Cheers, Nels
Oh, noooooooooooo.....
Without going into too much detail, Bolger and Common Sense have had issues
over non-payment of royalties.
According to a number of posts here, Common Sense has had issues with
fulfilling orders. They appear to have moved recently from Oregon to BC,
perhaps now that they are in presumably settled in their new home, order
fulfillment will improve. There are also numerous accounts that the
blueprints Common Sense sends out are illegible in places, owing to an
overused original. I've seen a set made by Common Sense about 6 years ago,
and they are not as readable as the plans you get directly from Bolger.
Bolger sells the plans for about $150 last time I checked. I paid $120 for
mine from him in 1999-2000.
Without going into too much detail, Bolger and Common Sense have had issues
over non-payment of royalties.
According to a number of posts here, Common Sense has had issues with
fulfilling orders. They appear to have moved recently from Oregon to BC,
perhaps now that they are in presumably settled in their new home, order
fulfillment will improve. There are also numerous accounts that the
blueprints Common Sense sends out are illegible in places, owing to an
overused original. I've seen a set made by Common Sense about 6 years ago,
and they are not as readable as the plans you get directly from Bolger.
Bolger sells the plans for about $150 last time I checked. I paid $120 for
mine from him in 1999-2000.
----- Original Message -----
From: "queeqeg87" <queeqeg87@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> The epoxy kits were listed on the Common Sense website. I
> thought Bolger and Common Sense were one in the same.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...>
> wrote:
> > --- queeqeg87 wrote:
> > > I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits
> >
> > I don't think so, there
> > must be some misunderstanding.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
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The epoxy kits were listed on the Common Sense website. I
thought Bolger and Common Sense were one in the same.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...>
wrote:
thought Bolger and Common Sense were one in the same.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...>
wrote:
> --- queeqeg87 wrote:
> > I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits
>
> I don't think so, there
> must be some misunderstanding.
In case anyone's interested, I have a set of unused Micro plans direct from
Phil Bolger that I'd like to sell.
They have all the additions mentioned below. CSB is currently asking $85 for
their old, unreadable versions without the added sailplans.
I'll sell you mine for $80.
Contact me off list if anyone is interested.
Best,
JB
Phil Bolger that I'd like to sell.
They have all the additions mentioned below. CSB is currently asking $85 for
their old, unreadable versions without the added sailplans.
I'll sell you mine for $80.
Contact me off list if anyone is interested.
Best,
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> If you buy your plans from Phil Bolger directly you will get the updated
> sail plan (3' taller mainmast and sail) as well as the Navigator upgrade
> sheet, which shows the 'Chinese gaff' mainsail, which I believe will be
more
> suited to polytarp rendering than the original. Quality of the
reproductions
> from Bolger is first-rate, which is not what has been reported from
> Common-sense boats; you'll would want the best quality plans possible if
you
> are going to try to cut sails from them!
>
> Paul Lefebvre, back to sparmaking in the basement, on Cape Cod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: queeqeg87 [mailto:queeqeg87@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:52 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
I am about done with epoxying tasks on my fully glassed/sealed Micro and
have used about 9 gallons overall (that's resin AND hardener together); I
started with a Raka 6-gal kit, and when that ran out I got a 3-gal kit from
Progressive Epoxy in NH. I believe I paid about $220 for the Raka, and $112
for the Progressive. Both are excellent quality, maybe even better than the
West System epoxy I knew well, at about half the price. Buy online or
mailorder from a nearby seller to keep shipping costs down - I only
discovered Progressive next door in NH after I had already paid to ship my
first batch of Raka all the way up from FL. The stuff is heavy, so distance
matters a bit.
The plans do show the sails to scale but do not include actual patterns; you
would need to study up on sail cuts (not a trivial endeavor) to induce the
proper shape, which may be difficult to do in Poly-tarp material at any
rate. I have always thought poly-tarp sails were for smaller sails, and
where shape isn't a huge concern; I made a small set for a sailing kayak
that I cut out of a large-enough tarp and they were flat - a bit feeble to
windward but fine downwind - but you'd have to buy a very large tarp to cut
a 23' micro sail out in one piece, and if you're going to invest the time in
sewing panels together, may as well use good material that will make your
work last. I sewed my own sails from a Sailrite kit, they have both regular
and 'tall' Micro sail kits available all laid out and pre-cut of dacron
sailcloth by computer, you just do the sewing. I used a 1954 Japanese sewing
machine with basic zigzag only and it did the job without breaking a sweat.
Check their prices online (sailrite.com) if you're trying to keep costs
down, I'll bet it's cheaper than having sails made up by a loft. I look on
that task as just one more element of the ultimate satisfaction I know I'll
get from sailing the boat I built.
If you buy your plans from Phil Bolger directly you will get the updated
sail plan (3' taller mainmast and sail) as well as the Navigator upgrade
sheet, which shows the 'Chinese gaff' mainsail, which I believe will be more
suited to polytarp rendering than the original. Quality of the reproductions
from Bolger is first-rate, which is not what has been reported from
Common-sense boats; you'll would want the best quality plans possible if you
are going to try to cut sails from them!
Paul Lefebvre, back to sparmaking in the basement, on Cape Cod
-----Original Message-----
From: queeqeg87 [mailto:queeqeg87@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:52 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
have used about 9 gallons overall (that's resin AND hardener together); I
started with a Raka 6-gal kit, and when that ran out I got a 3-gal kit from
Progressive Epoxy in NH. I believe I paid about $220 for the Raka, and $112
for the Progressive. Both are excellent quality, maybe even better than the
West System epoxy I knew well, at about half the price. Buy online or
mailorder from a nearby seller to keep shipping costs down - I only
discovered Progressive next door in NH after I had already paid to ship my
first batch of Raka all the way up from FL. The stuff is heavy, so distance
matters a bit.
The plans do show the sails to scale but do not include actual patterns; you
would need to study up on sail cuts (not a trivial endeavor) to induce the
proper shape, which may be difficult to do in Poly-tarp material at any
rate. I have always thought poly-tarp sails were for smaller sails, and
where shape isn't a huge concern; I made a small set for a sailing kayak
that I cut out of a large-enough tarp and they were flat - a bit feeble to
windward but fine downwind - but you'd have to buy a very large tarp to cut
a 23' micro sail out in one piece, and if you're going to invest the time in
sewing panels together, may as well use good material that will make your
work last. I sewed my own sails from a Sailrite kit, they have both regular
and 'tall' Micro sail kits available all laid out and pre-cut of dacron
sailcloth by computer, you just do the sewing. I used a 1954 Japanese sewing
machine with basic zigzag only and it did the job without breaking a sweat.
Check their prices online (sailrite.com) if you're trying to keep costs
down, I'll bet it's cheaper than having sails made up by a loft. I look on
that task as just one more element of the ultimate satisfaction I know I'll
get from sailing the boat I built.
If you buy your plans from Phil Bolger directly you will get the updated
sail plan (3' taller mainmast and sail) as well as the Navigator upgrade
sheet, which shows the 'Chinese gaff' mainsail, which I believe will be more
suited to polytarp rendering than the original. Quality of the reproductions
from Bolger is first-rate, which is not what has been reported from
Common-sense boats; you'll would want the best quality plans possible if you
are going to try to cut sails from them!
Paul Lefebvre, back to sparmaking in the basement, on Cape Cod
-----Original Message-----
From: queeqeg87 [mailto:queeqeg87@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:52 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> The kit for the Micro isCommon Sense Boats.
> more than $900!
>Who is selling a Micro kit!
http://www.common-sense-boats.com
They are expensive and list the Micro at $950.00. A Peanut Pram is $300.00!
Jeff
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--- queeqeg87 wrote:
must be some misunderstanding.
you use it, 6 to 12 gallons.
www.raka.com sells 6 gallons
for $218 plus shipping, the
last time I checked.
> I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kitsI don't think so, there
must be some misunderstanding.
> The kit for the Micro isWho is selling a Micro kit!
> more than $900!
> How muchI would guess, depending on how
> epoxy is
> required?
you use it, 6 to 12 gallons.
www.raka.com sells 6 gallons
for $218 plus shipping, the
last time I checked.
> Would polytarp sails workYes, in my opinion at least.
> ok with the Micro.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "queeqeg87" <queeqeg87@y...> wrote:
Bolger does not sell epoxy.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
> I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits for building differentboats.
Bolger does not sell epoxy.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
I didn't think Bolger sold anything but plans? Where are the epoxy kits
advertised?
Paul
advertised?
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "queeqeg87" <queeqeg87@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:51 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro: Epoxy, Sails & A Thank You
> I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits for building different boats.
> The kit for the Micro is more than $900! How much epoxy is
> required? I know the stuff is expensive, but will I end up
> spending $900 on epoxy? Or maybe Bolger's epoxy is over
> priced? Or maybe it's a bargain, which means I could spend
> even more on epoxy if I buy it locally?
> As for sails, I was planning to initially start with polytarp sails.
> Then, over time, maybe I'd buy some material and stitch my own.
> Would polytarp sails work ok with the Micro, or would
> performance be too disappointing? Do the plans include sail
> patterns?
> And, lastly, thank you for all the responses to my questions.
> They've been very educational and I have, or I'm in the process,
> of visiting all the different links suggested. I'm also keeping an
> open mind about which boat to build. It's providing lots of
> inspiration to complete existing projects around the house so I
> can justify taking on this new and exciting one.
>
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I noticed that Bolger sells epoxy kits for building different boats.
The kit for the Micro is more than $900! How much epoxy is
required? I know the stuff is expensive, but will I end up
spending $900 on epoxy? Or maybe Bolger's epoxy is over
priced? Or maybe it's a bargain, which means I could spend
even more on epoxy if I buy it locally?
As for sails, I was planning to initially start with polytarp sails.
Then, over time, maybe I'd buy some material and stitch my own.
Would polytarp sails work ok with the Micro, or would
performance be too disappointing? Do the plans include sail
patterns?
And, lastly, thank you for all the responses to my questions.
They've been very educational and I have, or I'm in the process,
of visiting all the different links suggested. I'm also keeping an
open mind about which boat to build. It's providing lots of
inspiration to complete existing projects around the house so I
can justify taking on this new and exciting one.
The kit for the Micro is more than $900! How much epoxy is
required? I know the stuff is expensive, but will I end up
spending $900 on epoxy? Or maybe Bolger's epoxy is over
priced? Or maybe it's a bargain, which means I could spend
even more on epoxy if I buy it locally?
As for sails, I was planning to initially start with polytarp sails.
Then, over time, maybe I'd buy some material and stitch my own.
Would polytarp sails work ok with the Micro, or would
performance be too disappointing? Do the plans include sail
patterns?
And, lastly, thank you for all the responses to my questions.
They've been very educational and I have, or I'm in the process,
of visiting all the different links suggested. I'm also keeping an
open mind about which boat to build. It's providing lots of
inspiration to complete existing projects around the house so I
can justify taking on this new and exciting one.