Re: Good First Boat to Build

Thanks for the info Bill, the leeboard design should work great...the
AF3 looks good too.
The kick-up rudder is a bit more of a problem. With the Teal being a
dougle ender, I can't crawl back to the stern and hang over a nice
bouyant transom to drop or raise the rudder. I have a lanyard to
pull the rudder up but even with lead inserts it still doesn't want
to sink. Right now I only have two inserts about 2" in diameter,
guess I keep adding till it works.
Fair Winds
Jim Simmons
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bill Turnbull <wturn@y...> wrote:
> Michalak has a simple design for a kickup leeboard and
> rudder.
>
>
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm#Pivot
ing%20Leeboard%20Design
>
> His book is excellent and has info and plans for
> kickup leeboard and rudder.
>
> Bill
>
> --- jwsimmons1324 <jwsimmons1324@y...> wrote:
> > Greetings All...
> > I'm a new member but have been a Bolger fan since I
> > first laid eyes
> > on Chebacco in WoodenBoat. Read BWOM cover to cover
> > about a dozen
> > times etc.
> > I built a Teal from plans I got from Dynamite
> > Payson, it's a
> > remarkable boat. I built it in about three weekends
> > on the cheap
> > from fir pywood and framing lumber glued up with
> > resorcenol. The fir
> > ply checks alot and is very heavy...but the dang
> > thing sails great
> > even with a poplar tree from my back yard for a mast
> > and a polytarp
> > sail (poorly cut).
> > For a large person, however, it will be a very
> > small boat. I am
> > 5'4" and its small for me! If I had it to do over
> > again, I would go
> > with Windsprint because it will carry more people
> > and you can stretch
> > out.
> > Currently I'm trying to devise a way to make the
> > leeboard kick up
> > (broke it off after hitting a sand bar,I sail off
> > the beach in the
> > Chesapeake) and dreaming about building a micro.
> > Fir Winds
> > Jim
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman
> > <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > > --- wachtervision wrote:
> > > > I am going to build a boat this year.
> > >
> > > For fun? That is about the only good
> > > reason to build a boat. [a good reason too]
> > >
> > > > I'm a pretty big guy
> > > > (6'5 & 275)
> > >
> > > I suspect that you will find
> > > the Teal to be too small.
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to build this boat
> > > > out of the book
> > >
> > > Yes, I did.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Construction looks
> > > > pretty straight forward,
> > >
> > > It is a very easy
> > > boat to build.
> > >
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal2/
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
> > >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
> > >
> > > Show pictures of one I built
> > > last summer.
> >
> >
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Michalak has a simple design for a kickup leeboard and
rudder.

http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/1998/0615/index.htm#Pivoting%20Leeboard%20Design

His book is excellent and has info and plans for
kickup leeboard and rudder.

Bill

--- jwsimmons1324 <jwsimmons1324@...> wrote:
> Greetings All...
> I'm a new member but have been a Bolger fan since I
> first laid eyes
> on Chebacco in WoodenBoat. Read BWOM cover to cover
> about a dozen
> times etc.
> I built a Teal from plans I got from Dynamite
> Payson, it's a
> remarkable boat. I built it in about three weekends
> on the cheap
> from fir pywood and framing lumber glued up with
> resorcenol. The fir
> ply checks alot and is very heavy...but the dang
> thing sails great
> even with a poplar tree from my back yard for a mast
> and a polytarp
> sail (poorly cut).
> For a large person, however, it will be a very
> small boat. I am
> 5'4" and its small for me! If I had it to do over
> again, I would go
> with Windsprint because it will carry more people
> and you can stretch
> out.
> Currently I'm trying to devise a way to make the
> leeboard kick up
> (broke it off after hitting a sand bar,I sail off
> the beach in the
> Chesapeake) and dreaming about building a micro.
> Fir Winds
> Jim
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman
> <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > --- wachtervision wrote:
> > > I am going to build a boat this year.
> >
> > For fun? That is about the only good
> > reason to build a boat. [a good reason too]
> >
> > > I'm a pretty big guy
> > > (6'5 & 275)
> >
> > I suspect that you will find
> > the Teal to be too small.
> >
> > > Is it possible to build this boat
> > > out of the book
> >
> > Yes, I did.
> >
> >
> > > Construction looks
> > > pretty straight forward,
> >
> > It is a very easy
> > boat to build.
> >
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal2/
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
> >
> > Show pictures of one I built
> > last summer.
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Lincoln Ross <lincolnr@r...> wrote:
>
> If you are mostly going to sail it, and will mostly use two people,
I
> think this is an excuse for my Brick rant. (And I mean the Brick, as
I
> don't know anything about the "Big Tortoise" which probably isn't
quite
> the same.)

I'm building a "Big Tortoise." It's not a Brick, it's more
like a stretch Tortoise. I have the hull in the garage
and I look forward to taking it on the water in the
spring. The real Brick has more load capacity and looks,
to me, like a good choice for a big guy and a couple of
passengers. The Big Tortoise was a good first boat for
me, and not bad at all, just study the plans and read
the book. Bottom line, the Brick has more beam (width)
and more capacity than the Big Tortoise. Charles Rouse
I bet Teal is a bit too small for you. If you blow up the size a little
(displacement goes with cube of blow up proportion, i.e. 10% blow up
gives 1.33 displacement) you would lose the nice plywood layout but it
would probably hold your weight better. And the 3/8" ply is probably
going to be strong enough.

If you are mostly going to sail it, and will mostly use two people, I
think this is an excuse for my Brick rant. (And I mean the Brick, as I
don't know anything about the "Big Tortoise" which probably isn't quite
the same.)

We are happy with our Brick, on those occasions when we get around to
actually sail. I was going to build one but one was up for sale near us
shortly before I would have started. Brick is very plain and simple, so
it won't tempt you to do fancy things like fiberglass and epoxy (tho it
might be a good idea to get just a little and cover the end grain of the
plywood.). Brick is easy for big people to cartop solo. (I'm 5'10 and
215, (s.b. 180)) and I don't have any trouble. You just hold up one end,
walk under, and hold up your hands under the middle of the bottom. I
suppose if you have a van you might have to do something else. Brick's
hull comes out about 75 lbs if built close to plan, assuming you can
find some luan that isn't too awful. (Luan probably won't check if
painted in latex in light colors, or at least ours hasn't even with some
red on it.) Don't build it with thicker ply unless you are very strong.
Our Brick was made with (Ugh!) some polyester resin and glass outside,
which is falling apart, and Weldwood glue (or so I recall from the
builder) which is holding together. The PL Premium Construction Adhesive
(NOT PL 400 or any other PL product) repairs are holding up too. Brick
sails reasonably well if you don't feel the need to go fast. This summer
it was tested with 4 adults in it, at which point it was said to bog
down but was still sailing along. With about 400 lbs of crew, it feels a
bit on the light side! Do pay attention to fore and aft trim.If you have
to row, build a rowboat or something else. Brick is not much fun to row,
though you can come back a mile or two if the wind dies, or with real
effort, a mile against strong wind if you mess up adjusting the rig and
the wind is too strong to fix it on the water.

Get Brick plans from Bolger, if that's what you decide to use. A blurb
about it is in that wonderful book "Boats with an Open Mind".

>Matt wrote:
>
>I am going to build a boat this year.
>
>snip leaning towards a Teal,
>seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big guy
>(6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
>something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
>but if not, oh well I guess.
>snip
>Oh yeah, one more thing. A little background first I guess.
>My nearest sailing lake is about an hour away, so my boat will be
>drydocked most of the time. I am hoping to get up to the lake a lot
>this summer, but in reality, it will only be around 10 times or so.
>If I only intend to sail her for 5 or so years, (figure about then I
>will have to have a bigger boat so the family will be able to sail
>at the same time) do I have to fiberglass this boat? I really don't
>want to and would appreciate any input to get a watertight boat
>without epoxy.
>
>Matt
>
Lincoln Ross
partway thru sewage clean up. Cellar is a sea of Chlorox
Greetings All...
I'm a new member but have been a Bolger fan since I first laid eyes
on Chebacco in WoodenBoat. Read BWOM cover to cover about a dozen
times etc.
I built a Teal from plans I got from Dynamite Payson, it's a
remarkable boat. I built it in about three weekends on the cheap
from fir pywood and framing lumber glued up with resorcenol. The fir
ply checks alot and is very heavy...but the dang thing sails great
even with a poplar tree from my back yard for a mast and a polytarp
sail (poorly cut).
For a large person, however, it will be a very small boat. I am
5'4" and its small for me! If I had it to do over again, I would go
with Windsprint because it will carry more people and you can stretch
out.
Currently I'm trying to devise a way to make the leeboard kick up
(broke it off after hitting a sand bar,I sail off the beach in the
Chesapeake) and dreaming about building a micro.
Fir Winds
Jim

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- wachtervision wrote:
> > I am going to build a boat this year.
>
> For fun? That is about the only good
> reason to build a boat. [a good reason too]
>
> > I'm a pretty big guy
> > (6'5 & 275)
>
> I suspect that you will find
> the Teal to be too small.
>
> > Is it possible to build this boat
> > out of the book
>
> Yes, I did.
>
>
> > Construction looks
> > pretty straight forward,
>
> It is a very easy
> boat to build.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal2/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
>
> Show pictures of one I built
> last summer.
Greetings All...
I'm a new member but have been a Bolger fan since I first laid eyes
on Chebacco in WoodenBoat. Read BWOM cover to cover about a dozen
times etc.
I built a Teal from plans I got from Dynamite Payson, it's a
remarkable boat. I built it in about three weekends on the cheap
from fir pywood and framing lumber glued up with resorcenol. The fir
ply checks alot and is very heavy...but the dang thing sails great
even with a poplar tree from my back yard for a mast and a polytarp
sail (poorly cut).
For a large person, however, it will be a very small boat. I am
5'4" and its small for me! If I had it to do over again, I would go
with Windsprint because it will carry more people and you can stretch
out.
Currently I'm trying to devise a way to make the leeboard kick up
(broke it off after hitting a sand bar,I sail off the beach in the
Chesapeake) and dreaming about building a micro.
Fir Winds
Jim

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- wachtervision wrote:
> > I am going to build a boat this year.
>
> For fun? That is about the only good
> reason to build a boat. [a good reason too]
>
> > I'm a pretty big guy
> > (6'5 & 275)
>
> I suspect that you will find
> the Teal to be too small.
>
> > Is it possible to build this boat
> > out of the book
>
> Yes, I did.
>
>
> > Construction looks
> > pretty straight forward,
>
> It is a very easy
> boat to build.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal2/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/
>
> Show pictures of one I built
> last summer.
--- wachtervision wrote:
> I am going to build a boat this year.

For fun? That is about the only good
reason to build a boat. [a good reason too]

> I'm a pretty big guy
> (6'5 & 275)

I suspect that you will find
the Teal to be too small.

> Is it possible to build this boat
> out of the book

Yes, I did.


> Construction looks
> pretty straight forward,

It is a very easy
boat to build.

http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal/
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal2/
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal3/
http://hallman.org/bolger/Teal4/

Show pictures of one I built
last summer.
You might also check out the Jim Michalak's book - Boat Building for
Beginners and Beyond. I built a teal from the Payson book and even
though the instructions are good, I still had a lot of questions that
came up through the building process (Yes, forget the copper nails -
use drywall screws and blocks with epoxy). Jim's book covers a lot
of the details for beginners that Payson's didn't and is updated with
new info on suppliers and methods. Its a bargain at $20. He also
has 5 designs to look at with fold out plans in the back. You can
probably build the pirogue in the book for around $100 and about 25
hours of labor. It will give you a lot of insight into building
methodolgy that will come in pretty handy on other boats. Check out
www.duckworksmagazine.com - cheapest price around for the book.

I have to agree with John on the plywood issue - I know it seems like
a lot up front ($25 a sheet for marine vs $12 discount store ply) but
you will not regret it and it will turn out to be a small difference
at the end of the project.

Jim's designs are not as elegant as Bolger's but do seem easier to
build and get the experience needed to build a really nice boat later
once the building addiction sets in. (Hmmmm, Beachcat or Chewbacco,
or Micro.....)

Regards,

Doug

> > I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
> > techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant
boats
> > book again and again. As of right now, I am leaning towards a
Teal,
> > seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big
guy
> > (6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
> > something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
> > but if not, oh well I guess.
>
> You'll probably be OK with Teal. Another good alternative might be
Surf (or
> Crab Skiff in Dynamite parlance)
>
>
>
> > Is it possible to build this boat out of the book or do I have to
go
> > and buy the prints as well? Construction looks pretty straight
> > forward, but this boat termonology is starting to make me pull my
> > hair out.
>
> I'd say it's posibible to build from the book, although working
from plans
> is easier. There, if you have any question about a measurement you
whip out
> your architect's scale and read it directly.
>
>
>
> > Oh yeah, one more thing. A little background first I guess.
> > My nearest sailing lake is about an hour away, so my boat will be
> > drydocked most of the time. I am hoping to get up to the lake a
lot
> > this summer, but in reality, it will only be around 10 times or
so.
> > If I only intend to sail her for 5 or so years, (figure about
then I
> > will have to have a bigger boat so the family will be able to sail
> > at the same time) do I have to fiberglass this boat? I really
don't
> > want to and would appreciate any input to get a watertight boat
> > without epoxy.
>
> On a boat like Teal there is absolutely no need for epoxy. Just
beware that
> fir plywood *will* check (get covered with thousands of tinly
little surface
> cracks). It's mostly a cosmetic issue, but I've experienced
checking so bad
> that water weeped right through the bottom of the boat. Glassing
the hull
> remedies this, but it is not expressly necessary. If I were you,
I'd nail
> the hull together with 3M 5200 and bronze ring nails. The only
places I'd
> use epoxy would on the butts that join the plywood together. There
I'd glue
> the butt blocks on with epoxy and tape the seams on the outside.
Ignore
> Dynamite's bent copper nail instructions there, it's not needed if
you use
> epoxy. I'd also use epoxy if I needed to make scarf together some
> dimensional lumber for the gunwales or the mast. A one gallon kit
will set
> you back only $40 or so if you buy from a place like Raka.
>
> I'd also suggest buying a sail from Dynamite for ~$180. There is a
> tremendous advantage in using a real sail over polytarp. And
because this
> sail is essentially mass produced by Bohndell Sailmakers in Maine,
it's a
> terrific deal, much less than half the cost of a similarly sized
custom
> sail.
>
> And finally, a word about plywood. I've done it with all kinds now
and I can
> say, unequivocally, that buying cheap plywood isn't worth the
savings.
> Especially avoid 5.2mm lauan doorskins. I used to scoff at those who
> suggested this to me, but no more. They are right. Cheap stuff is a
false
> economy if you place any value on your time.
>
> JB - The Boating Curmudgeon
John Bell wrote:
> On a boat like Teal there is absolutely no need for epoxy.
> <snip>
> If I were you, I'd nail the hull together with 3M 5200 and
> bronze ring nails. The only places I'd use epoxy would on
> the butts that join the plywood together. There I'd glue
> the butt blocks on with epoxy and tape the seams on the outside.

If you are going to be buying epoxy anyway then I don't see the
advantage of using 5200, which won't save you any money.

The only reason I can see for avoiding epoxy is if you are
allergic.

Bruce Fountain
Senior Software Engineer
Union Switch & Signal
Perth, Western Australia
I sent this one earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in the ether.
Trying again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "wachtervision" <matt@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: [bolger] Good First Boat to Build



> I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
> techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant boats
> book again and again. As of right now, I am leaning towards a Teal,
> seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big guy
> (6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
> something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
> but if not, oh well I guess.

You'll probably be OK with Teal. Another good alternative might be Surf (or
Crab Skiff in Dynamite parlance)



> Is it possible to build this boat out of the book or do I have to go
> and buy the prints as well? Construction looks pretty straight
> forward, but this boat termonology is starting to make me pull my
> hair out.

I'd say it's posibible to build from the book, although working from plans
is easier. There, if you have any question about a measurement you whip out
your architect's scale and read it directly.



> Oh yeah, one more thing. A little background first I guess.
> My nearest sailing lake is about an hour away, so my boat will be
> drydocked most of the time. I am hoping to get up to the lake a lot
> this summer, but in reality, it will only be around 10 times or so.
> If I only intend to sail her for 5 or so years, (figure about then I
> will have to have a bigger boat so the family will be able to sail
> at the same time) do I have to fiberglass this boat? I really don't
> want to and would appreciate any input to get a watertight boat
> without epoxy.

On a boat like Teal there is absolutely no need for epoxy. Just beware that
fir plywood *will* check (get covered with thousands of tinly little surface
cracks). It's mostly a cosmetic issue, but I've experienced checking so bad
that water weeped right through the bottom of the boat. Glassing the hull
remedies this, but it is not expressly necessary. If I were you, I'd nail
the hull together with 3M 5200 and bronze ring nails. The only places I'd
use epoxy would on the butts that join the plywood together. There I'd glue
the butt blocks on with epoxy and tape the seams on the outside. Ignore
Dynamite's bent copper nail instructions there, it's not needed if you use
epoxy. I'd also use epoxy if I needed to make scarf together some
dimensional lumber for the gunwales or the mast. A one gallon kit will set
you back only $40 or so if you buy from a place like Raka.

I'd also suggest buying a sail from Dynamite for ~$180. There is a
tremendous advantage in using a real sail over polytarp. And because this
sail is essentially mass produced by Bohndell Sailmakers in Maine, it's a
terrific deal, much less than half the cost of a similarly sized custom
sail.

And finally, a word about plywood. I've done it with all kinds now and I can
say, unequivocally, that buying cheap plywood isn't worth the savings.
Especially avoid 5.2mm lauan doorskins. I used to scoff at those who
suggested this to me, but no more. They are right. Cheap stuff is a false
economy if you place any value on your time.

JB - The Boating Curmudgeon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "wachtervision" <matt@h...> wrote:
> I am going to build a boat this year.
>
> I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
> techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant boats
> book again and again.

The best deal going on a set of plans and building manual is here:

http://www.simplicityboats.com/featherwind.html

And check out any reference to "Sea Angel" on any of the sites.

Cheers, Nels
"Teal" will support your weight, but might Feel a little small
and "Tippy". It would probably Not be comfortable for You And anyone
else.
You might consider "Surf".
Similar, although not quite as easy to build, and would be a
lot more "Boat" and not a Lot more work.
"Surf" is a Real Boat.
If you Are going to be sailing that often it would be a Lot more
relaxing to not have to spend all your time carefully ballancing
a Teal and hoping to stay dry.

Either should be "Buildable" from book plans, but Real plans are
usually worth the money for education and entertainment.

The Building is a Lot less work than the deciding.

My 25 Cents worth.

Good luck.
Sounds like a Lot of Fun.

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "wachtervision" <matt@h...> wrote:
> I am going to build a boat this year.
>
> I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
> techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant boats
> book again and again. As of right now, I am leaning towards a
Teal,
> seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big guy
> (6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
> something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
> but if not, oh well I guess.
>
> Is it possible to build this boat out of the book or do I have to
go
> and buy the prints as well? Construction looks pretty straight
> forward, but this boat termonology is starting to make me pull my
> hair out.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wachtervision" <matt@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: [bolger] Good First Boat to Build



> I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
> techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant boats
> book again and again. As of right now, I am leaning towards a Teal,
> seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big guy
> (6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
> something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
> but if not, oh well I guess.

You'll probably be OK with Teal. Another good alternative might be Surf (or
Crab Skiff in Dynamite parlance)



> Is it possible to build this boat out of the book or do I have to go
> and buy the prints as well? Construction looks pretty straight
> forward, but this boat termonology is starting to make me pull my
> hair out.

I'd say it's posibible to build from the book, although working from plans
is easier. There, if you have any question about a measurement you whip out
your architect's scale and read it directly.



> Oh yeah, one more thing. A little background first I guess.
> My nearest sailing lake is about an hour away, so my boat will be
> drydocked most of the time. I am hoping to get up to the lake a lot
> this summer, but in reality, it will only be around 10 times or so.
> If I only intend to sail her for 5 or so years, (figure about then I
> will have to have a bigger boat so the family will be able to sail
> at the same time) do I have to fiberglass this boat? I really don't
> want to and would appreciate any input to get a watertight boat
> without epoxy.

On a boat like Teal there is absolutely no need for epoxy. Just beware that
fir plywood *will* check (get covered with thousands of tinly little surface
cracks). It's mostly a cosmetic issue, but I've experienced checking so bad
that water weeped right through the bottom of the boat. Glassing the hull
remedies this, but it is not expressly necessary. If I were you, I'd nail
the hull together with 3M 5200 and bronze ring nails. The only places I'd
use epoxy would on the butts that join the plywood together. There I'd glue
the butt blocks on with epoxy and tape the seams on the outside. Ignore
Dynamite's bent copper nail instructions there, it's not needed if you use
epoxy. I'd also use epoxy if I needed to make scarf together some
dimensional lumber for the gunwales or the mast. A one gallon kit will set
you back only $40 or so if you buy from a place like Raka.

I'd also suggest buying a sail from Dynamite for ~$180. There is a
tremendous advantage in using a real sail over polytarp. And because this
sail is essentially mass produced by Bohndell Sailmakers in Maine, it's a
terrific deal, much less than half the cost of a similarly sized custom
sail.

And finally, a word about plywood. I've done it with all kinds now and I can
say, unequivocally, that buying cheap plywood isn't worth the savings.
Especially avoid 5.2mm lauan doorskins. I used to scoff at those who
suggested this to me, but no more. They are right. Cheap stuff is a false
economy if you place any value on your time.

JB - The Boating Curmudgeon
I am going to build a boat this year.

I have been looking over the site trying to pick up tips and
techniques, and I have been reading the build the new instant boats
book again and again. As of right now, I am leaning towards a Teal,
seems to look pretty easy and looks good too. I'm a pretty big guy
(6'5 & 275) so that is another concern as I might have to build
something a little bigger. I am hoping to get two people in her,
but if not, oh well I guess.

Is it possible to build this boat out of the book or do I have to go
and buy the prints as well? Construction looks pretty straight
forward, but this boat termonology is starting to make me pull my
hair out.

Oh yeah, one more thing. A little background first I guess.
My nearest sailing lake is about an hour away, so my boat will be
drydocked most of the time. I am hoping to get up to the lake a lot
this summer, but in reality, it will only be around 10 times or so.
If I only intend to sail her for 5 or so years, (figure about then I
will have to have a bigger boat so the family will be able to sail
at the same time) do I have to fiberglass this boat? I really don't
want to and would appreciate any input to get a watertight boat
without epoxy.

Matt