Re: New rig for Light Schooner
Hi Peter,
some photos of her at speed this spring, and I'll post them when I do.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
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jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
> You might wish an attempt at hiding behind easy excuseslike "poor
> lighting" but it is plainly evident that she is a very wellexcecuted
> boat! I love your neat and clean construction! She looks likeshe'll
> be a real screamer in the right winds,especially on a reach! And asboat
> if that wasn't enough to scare the beejeezes out of the fiberglass
> production boat crowd,it also looks like this is a REAL sailors
> with tons of great storage,for ice-n-beer,tucked right in where itor
> will do the most good as liquid ballast :-)
> Equally important are your wonderful choice of colours for the
> sails and hull.......nice and dark,very hard to spot in low light
> night time conditions, which of course makes it the perfect pirateYou've busted me! But thanks for the compliments! I hope to get
> boat when raids are required to stock up on more"ballast" !
> Bravo and congratulations! Can't wait to see some photos of her
> tearing up the water at speed and terrorizing the neighbourhood:-)
some photos of her at speed this spring, and I'll post them when I do.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
Hi Nels,
forgot to do in my haste yesterday.
hobby, but I'm hooked on it, just like boatbuilding.
I got to see it in 2001, and glad you did, too.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
> Thanks for the excellent write-up on another Bolger design that hasorder
> not been utilized fully. Interesting comments about the rig and
> rudder combination. Of course PCB desinged it the way it was in
> to meet the criteria as a 3-way design with short spars. A gaff rigand thanks for changing the subject of this thread, something I
> with a larger rudder would be interesting alright!
forgot to do in my haste yesterday.
> I also really enjoyed the photos at your website. Fantastic work!Thanks again. It's a time-consuming, expensive, and frustrating
hobby, but I'm hooked on it, just like boatbuilding.
> Like you, I was lucky enough to view that Leonid shower with aneven
> unrestricted view from the flat prairie landscape up here in
> Saskatchewan - without any lights for about 25 km around me. We
> had some aurora to go with it. It was probably something that willwatching
> never be matched for a long time. Also I recall another time
> a full eclipse of the moon and Hale-Bopp at the same time.We'll all be dead the next time the Leonids are that good! I'm glad
I got to see it in 2001, and glad you did, too.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
Hi Peter,
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
> Just as a matter of interest, are your two sails interchangeable,or
> did the sailmaker cut them differently? I would guess that theThey are identical, as are the spars for both.
> forecsail should be a little fuller than the main, but that is
> probably being too fussy.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
Thanks for the excellent write-up on another Bolger design that has
not been utilized fully. Interesting comments about the rig and
rudder combination. Of course PCB desinged it the way it was in order
to meet the criteria as a 3-way design with short spars. A gaff rig
with a larger rudder would be interesting alright!
I also really enjoyed the photos at your website. Fantastic work!
Like you, I was lucky enough to view that Leonid shower with an
unrestricted view from the flat prairie landscape up here in
Saskatchewan - without any lights for about 25 km around me. We even
had some aurora to go with it. It was probably something that will
never be matched for a long time. Also I recall another time watching
a full eclipse of the moon and Hale-Bopp at the same time.
Cheers, Nels
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
> This boat would make an excellent choice as a singlehander, a boatbet
> for a couple of kids, or a teenager's first boat of their own.
> Overall, the design is well thought out, and if you want the option
> of using a motor, it would be hard to find a better skiff. I'll
> she can sail rings around the "Perfect Skiff" that won the designHi Jon,
> contest.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jon Kolb
Thanks for the excellent write-up on another Bolger design that has
not been utilized fully. Interesting comments about the rig and
rudder combination. Of course PCB desinged it the way it was in order
to meet the criteria as a 3-way design with short spars. A gaff rig
with a larger rudder would be interesting alright!
I also really enjoyed the photos at your website. Fantastic work!
Like you, I was lucky enough to view that Leonid shower with an
unrestricted view from the flat prairie landscape up here in
Saskatchewan - without any lights for about 25 km around me. We even
had some aurora to go with it. It was probably something that will
never be matched for a long time. Also I recall another time watching
a full eclipse of the moon and Hale-Bopp at the same time.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
Oh Peter,
Quit your complaining and come down here for a vist. Anything to close
that tiny, whiny little Canadian mouth of yours. <wink>
Bring a case of Bras D'or and I'll let you the shed for a week, free!
Tehn you can close it around the mouth of a beer bottle or two!
Bruce Hector
Going over to Fort Pierce next week to go out for a day or two on
John Bartlet's stretched by 6' Bolger Pelican Tri-maran Houseboat.
Although I have no idea why to stop at a six foot stretch when ply
comes in 8 foot lengths. Hmmmmmm.
I'll let you know and post some pics when I get back.
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"waters never freeze hard"
> <jkolb@d...> wrote: "painfully jealous of all who sail where the
Oh Peter,
Quit your complaining and come down here for a vist. Anything to close
that tiny, whiny little Canadian mouth of yours. <wink>
Bring a case of Bras D'or and I'll let you the shed for a week, free!
Tehn you can close it around the mouth of a beer bottle or two!
Bruce Hector
Going over to Fort Pierce next week to go out for a day or two on
John Bartlet's stretched by 6' Bolger Pelican Tri-maran Houseboat.
Although I have no idea why to stop at a six foot stretch when ply
comes in 8 foot lengths. Hmmmmmm.
I'll let you know and post some pics when I get back.
Just as a matter of interest, are your two sails interchangeable, or
did the sailmaker cut them differently? I would guess that the
forecsail should be a little fuller than the main, but that is
probably being too fussy.
Peter
did the sailmaker cut them differently? I would guess that the
forecsail should be a little fuller than the main, but that is
probably being too fussy.
Peter
Hi Nels,
and there were no snags or serious errors. It's a very handy boat
once completed, and we had many fun sails in it. However, if I were
to build it again, I'd make a couple of changes.
First, I would forget about the outboard motor option, since we never
used one on it anyway, and build the transom all the way across the
stern. Then I'd hang a more conventional rudder from that transom
instead of building the inboard rudder shown in the plans. The
reason for this is that if you're not going to use a motor, there's
no reason to take on the more complicated inboard rudder mount. If
you want the motor option, then build it to the plans. The inboard
rudder had a tendency to float up in its well, so I rigged a piece of
shock cord to hold it down and that worked fine. If I recall
correctly, Phil shows sacrificial dowels to hold the rudder assembly
down, but I didn't want to keep a pocket full of these or try to pull
them out when we wanted to beach the boat.
I didn't mount oarlocks on mine, either, but probably should have.
Our lakes are small around here, so we usually just sailed right up
to the dock at the ramp when possible (boy, is it satisfying to lay
her right alongside as gently as a tap on the shoulder). When we
couldn't shoot the dock directly, we'd just use a couple of K-mart
paddles to paddle her in the last way. Oars would have been faster
and more efficient, but would have been a little more of a chore to
stow.
The boat is a very fast and able sailer with the Solent lug rig.
Adding the jib increases speed quite a bit more than its area would
have you think! She'll pound a bit in powerboat wakes, but so will
any flat-bottomed skiff. The boat is also very stiff under sail, and
with two of us aboard it took a lot of wind for both of us to sit on
the side decks. Usually one of us would sit on the floorboards
amidships, with the weight of the second person on the side deck more
than enough to hold her up. The balanced rudder is very sensitive,
and you really learn to be patient steering with it, else you're
steering all over the place when you don't need to. She spins
quickly with that rudder, and tacking can be done in a snap once you
learn not to throw the tiller over too far.
Reefing the Solent lug is a pain, since you have to change the
location of the halyard on the yard, so we never did it. Just taking
the jib off her would usually be enough, but if you were
singlehanding the boat in a blow, you'd need to reef. It would be
tempting to ask Phil to draw a gaff mainsail for this boat, to make
reefing easier. A big spritsail would also be fun, especially if you
were to put the rudder on the transom to better balance some of the
stronger weather helm of that type of sail.
We sold the boat to the teenage nephew of a friend of mine, and he's
having a blast with it now some 10 years after I finished it. I
think it still has its first coat of paint on the hull, although I
know the deck has had a few more coats. I would recomend against
using AC lumberyard plywood for this boat, since the crap they pass
off as AC these days is too thin and of poor quality. If you had to
do it, I'd go with 3/8" for the sides and deck. If you can get real
marine ply, 1/4" is fine, but I'd probably add some foam blocks under
the the side decks to stiffen them up and add additional floatation
(although you don't really need it - see below), or I'd go with 3/8"
for the deck.
We never swamped her, since even on her side with the spars in the
water, she floats so high that water doesn't get in the cockpit.
This boat would make an excellent choice as a singlehander, a boat
for a couple of kids, or a teenager's first boat of their own.
Overall, the design is well thought out, and if you want the option
of using a motor, it would be hard to find a better skiff. I'll bet
she can sail rings around the "Perfect Skiff" that won the design
contest.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
> Just noticed your post after posting mine, recommending the CSS toIt was a good little boat to be sure. My first boatbuilding attempt,
> Steve. Would you be able to give of some observations of your
> experience with it? It seems to me to have a lot to offer.
and there were no snags or serious errors. It's a very handy boat
once completed, and we had many fun sails in it. However, if I were
to build it again, I'd make a couple of changes.
First, I would forget about the outboard motor option, since we never
used one on it anyway, and build the transom all the way across the
stern. Then I'd hang a more conventional rudder from that transom
instead of building the inboard rudder shown in the plans. The
reason for this is that if you're not going to use a motor, there's
no reason to take on the more complicated inboard rudder mount. If
you want the motor option, then build it to the plans. The inboard
rudder had a tendency to float up in its well, so I rigged a piece of
shock cord to hold it down and that worked fine. If I recall
correctly, Phil shows sacrificial dowels to hold the rudder assembly
down, but I didn't want to keep a pocket full of these or try to pull
them out when we wanted to beach the boat.
I didn't mount oarlocks on mine, either, but probably should have.
Our lakes are small around here, so we usually just sailed right up
to the dock at the ramp when possible (boy, is it satisfying to lay
her right alongside as gently as a tap on the shoulder). When we
couldn't shoot the dock directly, we'd just use a couple of K-mart
paddles to paddle her in the last way. Oars would have been faster
and more efficient, but would have been a little more of a chore to
stow.
The boat is a very fast and able sailer with the Solent lug rig.
Adding the jib increases speed quite a bit more than its area would
have you think! She'll pound a bit in powerboat wakes, but so will
any flat-bottomed skiff. The boat is also very stiff under sail, and
with two of us aboard it took a lot of wind for both of us to sit on
the side decks. Usually one of us would sit on the floorboards
amidships, with the weight of the second person on the side deck more
than enough to hold her up. The balanced rudder is very sensitive,
and you really learn to be patient steering with it, else you're
steering all over the place when you don't need to. She spins
quickly with that rudder, and tacking can be done in a snap once you
learn not to throw the tiller over too far.
Reefing the Solent lug is a pain, since you have to change the
location of the halyard on the yard, so we never did it. Just taking
the jib off her would usually be enough, but if you were
singlehanding the boat in a blow, you'd need to reef. It would be
tempting to ask Phil to draw a gaff mainsail for this boat, to make
reefing easier. A big spritsail would also be fun, especially if you
were to put the rudder on the transom to better balance some of the
stronger weather helm of that type of sail.
We sold the boat to the teenage nephew of a friend of mine, and he's
having a blast with it now some 10 years after I finished it. I
think it still has its first coat of paint on the hull, although I
know the deck has had a few more coats. I would recomend against
using AC lumberyard plywood for this boat, since the crap they pass
off as AC these days is too thin and of poor quality. If you had to
do it, I'd go with 3/8" for the sides and deck. If you can get real
marine ply, 1/4" is fine, but I'd probably add some foam blocks under
the the side decks to stiffen them up and add additional floatation
(although you don't really need it - see below), or I'd go with 3/8"
for the deck.
We never swamped her, since even on her side with the spars in the
water, she floats so high that water doesn't get in the cockpit.
This boat would make an excellent choice as a singlehander, a boat
for a couple of kids, or a teenager's first boat of their own.
Overall, the design is well thought out, and if you want the option
of using a motor, it would be hard to find a better skiff. I'll bet
she can sail rings around the "Perfect Skiff" that won the design
contest.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
The color reproduction, partly
You might wish an attempt at hiding behind easy excuses like "poor
lighting" but it is plainly evident that she is a very well excecuted
boat! I love your neat and clean construction! She looks like she'll
be a real screamer in the right winds,especially on a reach! And as
if that wasn't enough to scare the beejeezes out of the fiberglass
production boat crowd,it also looks like this is a REAL sailors boat
with tons of great storage,for ice-n-beer,tucked right in where it
will do the most good as liquid ballast :-)
Equally important are your wonderful choice of colours for the
sails and hull.......nice and dark,very hard to spot in low light or
night time conditions, which of course makes it the perfect pirate
boat when raids are required to stock up on more"ballast" !
Bravo and congratulations! Can't wait to see some photos of her
tearing up the water at speed and terrorizing the neighbourhood:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,closet pirate and sipper of cold beers,painfully
jealous of all who sail where the waters never freeze hard,from along
the shores of the St.Lawrence.......
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
The color reproduction, partly
> because of flourescent lights in my garage, doesn't do the interiorlife.
> paint color justice - it actually looks halfway decent in real
>Jon,
> Sincerely,
> Jon Kolb
You might wish an attempt at hiding behind easy excuses like "poor
lighting" but it is plainly evident that she is a very well excecuted
boat! I love your neat and clean construction! She looks like she'll
be a real screamer in the right winds,especially on a reach! And as
if that wasn't enough to scare the beejeezes out of the fiberglass
production boat crowd,it also looks like this is a REAL sailors boat
with tons of great storage,for ice-n-beer,tucked right in where it
will do the most good as liquid ballast :-)
Equally important are your wonderful choice of colours for the
sails and hull.......nice and dark,very hard to spot in low light or
night time conditions, which of course makes it the perfect pirate
boat when raids are required to stock up on more"ballast" !
Bravo and congratulations! Can't wait to see some photos of her
tearing up the water at speed and terrorizing the neighbourhood:-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,closet pirate and sipper of cold beers,painfully
jealous of all who sail where the waters never freeze hard,from along
the shores of the St.Lawrence.......
Some photos of my Light Schooner with the new cat-schooner rig are
over on Bolger 3 in the Files section. There are a couple of sailing
shots, and a few construction photos. The color reproduction, partly
because of flourescent lights in my garage, doesn't do the interior
paint color justice - it actually looks halfway decent in real life.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
over on Bolger 3 in the Files section. There are a couple of sailing
shots, and a few construction photos. The color reproduction, partly
because of flourescent lights in my garage, doesn't do the interior
paint color justice - it actually looks halfway decent in real life.
Sincerely,
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
jon.kolb@...(work days)
jkolb@...(eves & weekends)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
Just noticed your post after posting mine, recommending the CSS to
Steve. Would you be able to give of some observations of your
experience with it? It seems to me to have a lot to offer.
Thanks, Nels
<jkolb@d...> wrote:
> Hi All,below,
>
> I'm the guy who built the boat in the MAIB article referred to
> and have been lurking on the list off and on (mostly off) for theHi Jon,
> last few years. Several years ago I also completed a Common Sense
> Skiff to Phil's design, and I'm currently trying to clear up a few
> other projects to get going on a FastBrick.
Just noticed your post after posting mine, recommending the CSS to
Steve. Would you be able to give of some observations of your
experience with it? It seems to me to have a lot to offer.
Thanks, Nels
--- jkolb@da wrote:
want a Light Schooner, or bigger yet
a Folding Schooner.
I would love to read some of the
letters you received from Bolger.
The resolution of the images is much
better for photos stored in the 'files'
section as Yahoo shrinks and compresses
the photos stored in the 'photos' section.
Use 'files' to store photos please!
There are seven Yahoo groups that could
be used: Bolger, Bolger1, Bolger2, Bolger3,
Bolger4Sale, Bolger_Rants and Bolger_Coffee_Lounge.
Also many websites, beyond Yahoo, serve as 'free'
photo sharing hosts such as pbase, ofoto, webshots.
http://tinyurl.com/4a20
> I'm the guy who built the boatI enjoyed that article! It makes me
> in the MAIB article
want a Light Schooner, or bigger yet
a Folding Schooner.
> I have several photos ... I couldI would like to see the photos, plus
> upload to the group area, if someone
> would care to suggest a
> location for them.
I would love to read some of the
letters you received from Bolger.
The resolution of the images is much
better for photos stored in the 'files'
section as Yahoo shrinks and compresses
the photos stored in the 'photos' section.
Use 'files' to store photos please!
There are seven Yahoo groups that could
be used: Bolger, Bolger1, Bolger2, Bolger3,
Bolger4Sale, Bolger_Rants and Bolger_Coffee_Lounge.
Also many websites, beyond Yahoo, serve as 'free'
photo sharing hosts such as pbase, ofoto, webshots.
http://tinyurl.com/4a20
Hi All,
I'm the guy who built the boat in the MAIB article referred to below,
and have been lurking on the list off and on (mostly off) for the
last few years. Several years ago I also completed a Common Sense
Skiff to Phil's design, and I'm currently trying to clear up a few
other projects to get going on a FastBrick.
schooner, my biggest problem was that the bowsprit of the original
rig made her too long to fit in my garage or driveway, and for
topographical reasons our backyard is not suitable for boatbuilding.
Thus, the cat-schooner rig made a lot of sense, and indeed is pretty
easy to doublehand with my wife.
I have several photos already scanned that I could upload to the
group area, if someone would care to suggest a location for them.
Some of these also show the boxed-in cockpit sides and other details
that can't be seen in the sailing photos. I'd put them on my
website, but I'm about out of space there.
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
I'm the guy who built the boat in the MAIB article referred to below,
and have been lurking on the list off and on (mostly off) for the
last few years. Several years ago I also completed a Common Sense
Skiff to Phil's design, and I'm currently trying to clear up a few
other projects to get going on a FastBrick.
> In the latest MAIB (Feb. 1, 2004) Bolger introduces an updated rigfor the
> venerable Light Schooner.In addition to the reasons given in the article for making her a cat-
> ...snip...
schooner, my biggest problem was that the bowsprit of the original
rig made her too long to fit in my garage or driveway, and for
topographical reasons our backyard is not suitable for boatbuilding.
Thus, the cat-schooner rig made a lot of sense, and indeed is pretty
easy to doublehand with my wife.
I have several photos already scanned that I could upload to the
group area, if someone would care to suggest a location for them.
Some of these also show the boxed-in cockpit sides and other details
that can't be seen in the sailing photos. I'd put them on my
website, but I'm about out of space there.
Jon Kolb
Adventures in Astrophotography
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/
>(Why this is a cat schooner and not a cat ketch is beyondit's a Periauger!
>me.<g>)
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> Why this is a cat schooner and not a cat ketch is beyondBecause ketches are blah. Who wants a ketch, anyway? Was there ever a
> me.
famous Gloucester ketch?
Make mine a schooner! aaarrrgh!
In the latest MAIB (Feb. 1, 2004) Bolger introduces an updated rig for the
venerable Light Schooner. The new boat is now a cat schooner. The jib has
been removed, the foremast lengthened and moved forward a bit, and main boom
shortened a bit. The fore and main are now both identical gaff rigs at 103
square each. (Why this is a cat schooner and not a cat ketch is beyond
me.<g>)
It's not as rakish as the other rig, but it also appears to make some sense.
The boat would certainly be easier to doublehand. I'll try to get a scan up
tonight.
JB
venerable Light Schooner. The new boat is now a cat schooner. The jib has
been removed, the foremast lengthened and moved forward a bit, and main boom
shortened a bit. The fore and main are now both identical gaff rigs at 103
square each. (Why this is a cat schooner and not a cat ketch is beyond
me.<g>)
It's not as rakish as the other rig, but it also appears to make some sense.
The boat would certainly be easier to doublehand. I'll try to get a scan up
tonight.
JB