Re: Paradox
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Menz" <paradigmhomes@h...>
wrote:
I hate to disappoint you but I belong to both groups, and am a co-
moderator at the Paradox group:-)
I posted the link to Bill's site just for convenience sake so non-
members of those groups cold see the boat that Don referred to.
I have the Paradox plan package and building book on CD, but find the
boat has a few features that don't suit my planned usage and that
MICRO meets.
Paradox is not designed to use a motor and has no space aboard for
anchors and such that is outside the living quarters. Also when it
rains your bed gets wet and there is no space for a porta potti.
I know that most, if no all these things can either be tolerated or
else overcome with a larger version. And in the files in
Microcruising are a few examples sketched by Matt.
Paradox is an incredible design for what it was intended (Single-
handed micro-cruising.) The rig design and chine runners are scoffed
at by "serious" sailers, yet everyone who builds one loves the ease
and effeciency of both. The designer got his ideas from a couple of
Bolger/Payson instant boats when he discovered the exterior chine
logs helped prevent leeway even when the leeboard was not on the
boat. Also they showed him the magic of the sharpie hull and small
lug rig.
MICRO is a superior design for micro-cruising as a couple. It
probably has about three times the useable space in a hull a couple
of feet longer. It has dedicated self draining areas for all the
dirty stuff, a large cockpit, and a completely dry bedroom in all
conditions. The motor is where it should be and it's sail rig is
close to perfection as far as maximum versatility for minimum
investment. I believe it to be a pinnacle in design for a minimal
cruiser... period!
The other boat of interest is the LITTLE CRUISER that Dave and Mindy
Bolduc have cruised in for years, which is a larger version of
Paradox but has a centerboard and more conventional sail rig with a
tabernacled mast. This couple is extraordinary in that they can live
together happily in such a small boat for months at a time. Why is
there not more Little Cruisers? I think it is because there aren't
may couples like them:-)
One thing I have thought about is using the AS19 plans to construct a
larger "Paradox" by adding a larger enclosed cuddy/smaller cockpit,
chine runners, a roller furling lug mainsail and closing off the bow
well somewhat. The AS19 is a fast hull from what I understand.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
> Nels,belong
>
> Good Heavens man, I have finally found a boat group you don't
> to!Hi Richard,
I hate to disappoint you but I belong to both groups, and am a co-
moderator at the Paradox group:-)
I posted the link to Bill's site just for convenience sake so non-
members of those groups cold see the boat that Don referred to.
I have the Paradox plan package and building book on CD, but find the
boat has a few features that don't suit my planned usage and that
MICRO meets.
Paradox is not designed to use a motor and has no space aboard for
anchors and such that is outside the living quarters. Also when it
rains your bed gets wet and there is no space for a porta potti.
I know that most, if no all these things can either be tolerated or
else overcome with a larger version. And in the files in
Microcruising are a few examples sketched by Matt.
Paradox is an incredible design for what it was intended (Single-
handed micro-cruising.) The rig design and chine runners are scoffed
at by "serious" sailers, yet everyone who builds one loves the ease
and effeciency of both. The designer got his ideas from a couple of
Bolger/Payson instant boats when he discovered the exterior chine
logs helped prevent leeway even when the leeboard was not on the
boat. Also they showed him the magic of the sharpie hull and small
lug rig.
MICRO is a superior design for micro-cruising as a couple. It
probably has about three times the useable space in a hull a couple
of feet longer. It has dedicated self draining areas for all the
dirty stuff, a large cockpit, and a completely dry bedroom in all
conditions. The motor is where it should be and it's sail rig is
close to perfection as far as maximum versatility for minimum
investment. I believe it to be a pinnacle in design for a minimal
cruiser... period!
The other boat of interest is the LITTLE CRUISER that Dave and Mindy
Bolduc have cruised in for years, which is a larger version of
Paradox but has a centerboard and more conventional sail rig with a
tabernacled mast. This couple is extraordinary in that they can live
together happily in such a small boat for months at a time. Why is
there not more Little Cruisers? I think it is because there aren't
may couples like them:-)
One thing I have thought about is using the AS19 plans to construct a
larger "Paradox" by adding a larger enclosed cuddy/smaller cockpit,
chine runners, a roller furling lug mainsail and closing off the bow
well somewhat. The AS19 is a fast hull from what I understand.
Cheers, Nels
Yes Nels, you are right, thanks.
I will say I was mighty impressed with this boat. I only had a couple
of minutes, and had to beat a hasty retreat because of a deluge and
unstoppable incoming tide. The design is a tiny jewel.
DonB
I will say I was mighty impressed with this boat. I only had a couple
of minutes, and had to beat a hasty retreat because of a deluge and
unstoppable incoming tide. The design is a tiny jewel.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> > I noticed a recent post mentioning the Paradox.
>
> D'ya think it might be this one?
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/paradox/pl_gallery.htm
>
> Nels
Nels,
Good Heavens man, I have finally found a boat group you don't belong
to!
Microcrusing is where the Paradox sailers chat, and Paradox Builders
is where they discuss the down and dirty.
It is definatly a design my better half would want nothing to do
with. They are a great example of cutting back on the wish list so
that a design can do a very few things very well. If you are going
to compare to a micro then look through the files in the paradox
builders group for the article on expanding it to 16 feet, which
adds enough width for a queen size matress on the floor.
Good Heavens man, I have finally found a boat group you don't belong
to!
Microcrusing is where the Paradox sailers chat, and Paradox Builders
is where they discuss the down and dirty.
It is definatly a design my better half would want nothing to do
with. They are a great example of cutting back on the wish list so
that a design can do a very few things very well. If you are going
to compare to a micro then look through the files in the paradox
builders group for the article on expanding it to 16 feet, which
adds enough width for a queen size matress on the floor.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> > I noticed a recent post mentioning the Paradox.
>
> D'ya think it might be this one?
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/paradox/pl_gallery.htm
>
> Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/paradox/pl_gallery.htm
Nels
> I noticed a recent post mentioning the Paradox.D'ya think it might be this one?
http://www.btinternet.com/~w.serjeant/paradox/pl_gallery.htm
Nels
I noticed a recent post mentioning the Paradox. Yesterday I noticed
one, dried out, way out in the middle of the bay, so I raced home,
picked up my digital camera and the dog, and raced back to beat the
incoming tide, and threatening sub-tropical downpour.
I was amazed at how small she is....tiny toy. She would just about
fit in the cabin of my Micro Navigator. But beautifully designed and
detailed. And the cabin looked to be almost a shoehorn job to slide
into. Standing beside the boat on the sand, one looked down onto her.
But perfectly suited to taking the ground. The gear is all small and
light.
In summary, tiny, one person, very compact to build and store. If a
crew were not an issue, a perfect boat for many.
With an eye to the sky, I pulled out the digital and turned it on.
Nothing. I had left the battery at home in the charger! We trudged
back in the warm heavy rain, dog giving me reproachful backward
glances the whole way.
DonB
one, dried out, way out in the middle of the bay, so I raced home,
picked up my digital camera and the dog, and raced back to beat the
incoming tide, and threatening sub-tropical downpour.
I was amazed at how small she is....tiny toy. She would just about
fit in the cabin of my Micro Navigator. But beautifully designed and
detailed. And the cabin looked to be almost a shoehorn job to slide
into. Standing beside the boat on the sand, one looked down onto her.
But perfectly suited to taking the ground. The gear is all small and
light.
In summary, tiny, one person, very compact to build and store. If a
crew were not an issue, a perfect boat for many.
With an eye to the sky, I pulled out the digital and turned it on.
Nothing. I had left the battery at home in the charger! We trudged
back in the warm heavy rain, dog giving me reproachful backward
glances the whole way.
DonB