Re: How much would one cost??
Exactly. Finishing costs are usually something I try not to think
about. Even though I should. Specifically, how am I going to get my
quick and easy sneakeasy to the boat ramp. I can only have so much
fun in the driveway...
about. Even though I should. Specifically, how am I going to get my
quick and easy sneakeasy to the boat ramp. I can only have so much
fun in the driveway...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- Tom Rund wrote:> Raka
> > epoxy...luaun...lumber
>
> In hindsight, the costs
> I underestimated were the
> 'finishing' costs, like the
> cushions, trailer, motor
> controls, motor, etc..
> The lumber is cheap
>Peter wrote:I was not as successful as I hoped surfing the web for this kind of
stuff, but I'm sure that the fishing industry must use galvanized
blocks for their nets, etc.
>Peter, when I lived in Seattle there were several fishing boat
> Peter
suppliers that had much less expensive gear available than the yacht
shops. Fisheries Supply is one--not cheap by any means and they made
it clear that they were going way out of their way to accomodate me--
at least that was the impression that I always got from them since I
didn't spend thousands of dollars at a whack--but had a huge
selection of rugged hardware. Seattle Marine also comes to mind. Both
are online, btw. The downside to both is that neither online catalog
has pictures so you need to know what you want. Maybe one could order
a paper catalog.
Living in an area where commercial fishing is still active helps--
here in Oregon (at least on the coast) commercial fishery suppliers
are still around. I could see that living inland could make it tough
to shop at one, though...
john
--- Tom Rund wrote:> Raka
I underestimated were the
'finishing' costs, like the
cushions, trailer, motor
controls, motor, etc..
The lumber is cheap
> epoxy...luaun...lumberIn hindsight, the costs
I underestimated were the
'finishing' costs, like the
cushions, trailer, motor
controls, motor, etc..
The lumber is cheap
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
cleats, ports, etc. in his store.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/hardware/blocks/blocks.htm
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SunCoastRowingClub/
> > I just got the latest "Layline" catalog andChuck has a nice line of low cost sail tackle at Duckworks. Also
> > I'm in major sticker shock.
cleats, ports, etc. in his store.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/store/hardware/blocks/blocks.htm
Bruce Hector
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SunCoastRowingClub/
> I just got the latest "Layline" catalog andAs recently as 15 years ago, there were a number of lines of less
> I'm in major sticker shock.
expensive hardware that also had a sort of traditional look. Tufnol
blocks, etc.
I have not yet heard of anyone who rigged their boat with galvanized
blocks from their hardware store. For boats with moderate rigging
loads (say 500lbs or less), I think they should be fine. I was not as
successful as I hoped surfing the web for this kind of stuff, but I'm
sure that the fishing industry must use galvanized blocks for their
nets, etc.
Peter
I just got the latest "Layline" catalog and I'm in major sticker shock.
These guys that race the big iron take it seriously and spend accordingly.
$58.50 for a "Tylaska halyard shackle???"
An interesting drill is the "Rigging Warrant" where you use a spreadsheet to
total up the various lengths of line needed in each size and to itemize the
hardware. (Just try to figure the length of a sheet for a junk rig sail,
allowing for the need to let it go past 90 degrees, without a spreadsheet to
do the trig.)
I think that you'll find the plywood cost a small fraction of the total I
bought some cheap 1/4" "marine plywood" in Fort Worth, Texas, that was so
bad that it doubled my labor while saving me a whole $50 out of many
hundreds on Chameleon (Dadink). (It's internal stresses caused the original
4x8 sheet to buckle and the parts cut from it were twisted severely.)
Roger
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
These guys that race the big iron take it seriously and spend accordingly.
$58.50 for a "Tylaska halyard shackle???"
An interesting drill is the "Rigging Warrant" where you use a spreadsheet to
total up the various lengths of line needed in each size and to itemize the
hardware. (Just try to figure the length of a sheet for a junk rig sail,
allowing for the need to let it go past 90 degrees, without a spreadsheet to
do the trig.)
I think that you'll find the plywood cost a small fraction of the total I
bought some cheap 1/4" "marine plywood" in Fort Worth, Texas, that was so
bad that it doubled my labor while saving me a whole $50 out of many
hundreds on Chameleon (Dadink). (It's internal stresses caused the original
4x8 sheet to buckle and the parts cut from it were twisted severely.)
Roger
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Rund" <trund1024@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: How much would one cost??
> Since I purchased my first home only 4 months ago, I have made a pact
> with myself to use only inexpensive building materials for my
> sneakeasy and make all the mistakes on the cheap one before making a
> great one. So far I have built all of the bulkheads using 1/4 Luaun
> on both sides and 3/4 clear pine. However, they are coated with Raka
> epoxy.
>
> A three gallon kit of Raka cost $129
> The Luaun and pine was around $40 or so.
>
> The remaining lumber should cost me less than $500 to complete.
> Hopefully.
>
> I know I may be compromising some strength and durability, but I
> really want this boat for the summer and I refuse to buy a plastic
> boat.
>
> Tom (Building the quick and dirty way)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "leewan" <chuckandaudre@m...> wrote:
> > This was posted in another thread;
> >
> > This might be of interest to some Bolgeristas:
> >
> >http://www.stlmusic.com/skiffamerica/skiff.html
> >
> > (Thanks Vince)
> >
> > Nice boat but what struck me was his est of the total building cost.
> > The question came to mind, about how much would it cost to build a
> > Cabin Clam Skiff, a Tennessee, Minnesota, or a Wyoming or others??
> >
> > Does anyone have a general idea? I realize you can spend lots on
> > electronics and interiors (or even engines) but for a basic boat
> > with a good 4 stroke outboard? I keep thinking that because they
> > start with "plywood" and are "instant" they are "cheap". While
> they
> > may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
> > plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
> >
> > Any good estimates out there?
> >
> > Thanks
> > chuck
>
>
>
>
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Since I purchased my first home only 4 months ago, I have made a pact
with myself to use only inexpensive building materials for my
sneakeasy and make all the mistakes on the cheap one before making a
great one. So far I have built all of the bulkheads using 1/4 Luaun
on both sides and 3/4 clear pine. However, they are coated with Raka
epoxy.
A three gallon kit of Raka cost $129
The Luaun and pine was around $40 or so.
The remaining lumber should cost me less than $500 to complete.
Hopefully.
I know I may be compromising some strength and durability, but I
really want this boat for the summer and I refuse to buy a plastic
boat.
Tom (Building the quick and dirty way)
with myself to use only inexpensive building materials for my
sneakeasy and make all the mistakes on the cheap one before making a
great one. So far I have built all of the bulkheads using 1/4 Luaun
on both sides and 3/4 clear pine. However, they are coated with Raka
epoxy.
A three gallon kit of Raka cost $129
The Luaun and pine was around $40 or so.
The remaining lumber should cost me less than $500 to complete.
Hopefully.
I know I may be compromising some strength and durability, but I
really want this boat for the summer and I refuse to buy a plastic
boat.
Tom (Building the quick and dirty way)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "leewan" <chuckandaudre@m...> wrote:
> This was posted in another thread;
>
> This might be of interest to some Bolgeristas:
>
>http://www.stlmusic.com/skiffamerica/skiff.html
>
> (Thanks Vince)
>
> Nice boat but what struck me was his est of the total building cost.
> The question came to mind, about how much would it cost to build a
> Cabin Clam Skiff, a Tennessee, Minnesota, or a Wyoming or others??
>
> Does anyone have a general idea? I realize you can spend lots on
> electronics and interiors (or even engines) but for a basic boat
> with a good 4 stroke outboard? I keep thinking that because they
> start with "plywood" and are "instant" they are "cheap". While
they
> may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
> plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
>
> Any good estimates out there?
>
> Thanks
> chuck
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <lestat@b...> wrote:
"make payments over the same length of time this stupid boat will take
me to build?"
Peter speaks a lot of truth here, but even cheaper than buying a new
one, is buying an old one, especially a scratched, dented, needs some
systems repaired, clunker.
Old cruisers, both glass and wood in the 25 - 35 foot range can be
found for extremely low prices, down to and including free, especially
the wooden ones in need of work.
So what it it has a little rot, cut it out, soak the remainder in
anti-freeze and epoxy on a patch.
No, don't build because it's cheaper, build because it's better, or
because it nets you a unique vessle that exactly meets your needs.
Bruce Hector
Who turned down a free 22' tall window cabin, 2/3 finished power
sharpie in St. Petes as I already have two boats with me here in the
Sunshine state
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "leewan" <chuckandaudre@m...> wrote:
While they
> may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
> plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
>
> Any good estimates out there?
>
> Thanks
> chuck
Chuck,
If you want to build your own boat,it really helps to love your
chosen design first.Once you have weeded out all the wannabes and
other potential suitors and isolated the apple of your eye,then you
order the study plans. These often provide enough information for a
pretty good calculation of the quantities of various materials
required.Then you can go and shop around getting prices for what is
needed,adding them all up and then throwing in another 10 to 20
percent for waste and/or simple errors in your original estimate.
Either this figure will astound you or you will be pleased with
it and proceed with construction.On the other hand,if you are really
smitten with a particular design,you will find the money and you will
find imaginative means of dealing with the sacrifices.Either way,you
have to be prepared to do some homework.
In the end,however,only you can know with some brutally honest
questions to yourself,whether or not you can "afford" a particular
design and even if you have the necessary skills,patience and
perserverance to see a multi month/year project through to its happy
conclusion.
There is little point in undertaking a project based solely on
whether your pocket book can take it since you will,over time and
through obstacles and sacrifices,all too easily realize
that,"shit,why am I blowing all my cash on this stupid boat when I
can just go out and buy me a boat right now and make payments over
the same length of time this stupid boat will take me to build?" And
that can readily happen when your heart is not into it and love is
absent :-(
Just check out most large marinas and boat yards for sad
examples of what I'm talking about.......a veritable boulevard of
broken dreams.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who never built a boat he didn't love first and still
happily smitten with my present boatbuilding project,from along the
shores of the St.Lawrence..........
> about how much would it costI have taken 'scrounging' to
an extreme, and my Micro
Navigator is costing $1,500
[no engine or trailer] plus
I predict perhaps 700 hours
labor.
If it weighs 1,000 pounds,
that is $15/pound for
materials.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Blunck" <boatbuilding@g...> wrote:
In boating, you don't pay by the foot, you pay by the cubic foot. A
boat of similar beam ratio to a Whyo but half the length, would not be
half as expensive, it would only be 25% as expensive.
That's why a Sneakeasy can be slapped together with good materials for
under $2500.
So to double a Whyo tyhe basic hull would be around $40 g's. Still
very good, compared to a 100 by 16 fibreglass yacht.
Thats' why the smaller/simpler ones get built more often.
Bruce
> From experience so far, $10,000 will build you a basic hull for aWyoming.
In boating, you don't pay by the foot, you pay by the cubic foot. A
boat of similar beam ratio to a Whyo but half the length, would not be
half as expensive, it would only be 25% as expensive.
That's why a Sneakeasy can be slapped together with good materials for
under $2500.
So to double a Whyo tyhe basic hull would be around $40 g's. Still
very good, compared to a 100 by 16 fibreglass yacht.
Thats' why the smaller/simpler ones get built more often.
Bruce
From experience so far, $10,000 will build you a basic hull for a Wyoming.
Then add your engine, electronics, plumbing, etc.
Jeff
Then add your engine, electronics, plumbing, etc.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "leewan" <chuckandaudre@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 8:51 AM
Subject: [bolger] How much would one cost??
> This was posted in another thread;
>
> This might be of interest to some Bolgeristas:
>
>http://www.stlmusic.com/skiffamerica/skiff.html
>
> (Thanks Vince)
>
> Nice boat but what struck me was his est of the total building cost.
> The question came to mind, about how much would it cost to build a
> Cabin Clam Skiff, a Tennessee, Minnesota, or a Wyoming or others??
>
> Does anyone have a general idea? I realize you can spend lots on
> electronics and interiors (or even engines) but for a basic boat
> with a good 4 stroke outboard? I keep thinking that because they
> start with "plywood" and are "instant" they are "cheap". While they
> may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
> plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
>
> Any good estimates out there?
>
> Thanks
> chuck
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
This was posted in another thread;
This might be of interest to some Bolgeristas:
http://www.stlmusic.com/skiffamerica/skiff.html
(Thanks Vince)
Nice boat but what struck me was his est of the total building cost.
The question came to mind, about how much would it cost to build a
Cabin Clam Skiff, a Tennessee, Minnesota, or a Wyoming or others??
Does anyone have a general idea? I realize you can spend lots on
electronics and interiors (or even engines) but for a basic boat
with a good 4 stroke outboard? I keep thinking that because they
start with "plywood" and are "instant" they are "cheap". While they
may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
Any good estimates out there?
Thanks
chuck
This might be of interest to some Bolgeristas:
http://www.stlmusic.com/skiffamerica/skiff.html
(Thanks Vince)
Nice boat but what struck me was his est of the total building cost.
The question came to mind, about how much would it cost to build a
Cabin Clam Skiff, a Tennessee, Minnesota, or a Wyoming or others??
Does anyone have a general idea? I realize you can spend lots on
electronics and interiors (or even engines) but for a basic boat
with a good 4 stroke outboard? I keep thinking that because they
start with "plywood" and are "instant" they are "cheap". While they
may be "cheap" (I mean inexpensive) relative to a factory new
plastic zoomer, it might not be "cheap" relative to my pocketbook.
Any good estimates out there?
Thanks
chuck