Re: micro-dried out attitude?
Yours looks fine to me Bruce, wish mine was like that.
DonB
DonB
> I had the same feeling, beefed up the
> chine reinforcement by gluing in
> gussets, and 2x4 blocks. Probably
> overkill, but my chine is strong.
>
> Visible in this photo:
>
>http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/520/7.jpg
--- dbaldnz wrote:
chine reinforcement by gluing in
gussets, and 2x4 blocks. Probably
overkill, but my chine is strong.
Visible in this photo:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/520/7.jpg
> The lean does not worry me reallyI had the same feeling, beefed up the
>.......more the lightweight
> construction of the chine area,
> when built to plan,
chine reinforcement by gluing in
gussets, and 2x4 blocks. Probably
overkill, but my chine is strong.
Visible in this photo:
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/micro/520/7.jpg
The lean does not worry me really.......more the lightweight
construction of the chine area, when built to plan, like Oink.
Peter - I actually have a thick brass flat, running the length of the
keel, right out supporting the rudder,so won't be a problem there.
I am taking all the advice to heart, and right now taking an hour off
work to go out and fashion a chine runner/skid tester.
Thanks,
DonB
construction of the chine area, when built to plan, like Oink.
Peter - I actually have a thick brass flat, running the length of the
keel, right out supporting the rudder,so won't be a problem there.
I am taking all the advice to heart, and right now taking an hour off
work to go out and fashion a chine runner/skid tester.
Thanks,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> According to my 'scaled'
> measurements she should rest;
> at 6 degrees forward pitch,
> and at 16 degrees sideways lean.
>
> Not all that steep so she can't
> stand unassisted, I figure.
>
> The depth of the lead 'keel' at
> the point of contact measures 8 1/2"
> with a boat width of 5'11".
>
> I am planning on mounting UHMW 'skids'
> at these points of contact, with the
> idea to make it easier to drag the
> boat around.
According to my 'scaled'
measurements she should rest;
at 6 degrees forward pitch,
and at 16 degrees sideways lean.
Not all that steep so she can't
stand unassisted, I figure.
The depth of the lead 'keel' at
the point of contact measures 8 1/2"
with a boat width of 5'11".
I am planning on mounting UHMW 'skids'
at these points of contact, with the
idea to make it easier to drag the
boat around.
measurements she should rest;
at 6 degrees forward pitch,
and at 16 degrees sideways lean.
Not all that steep so she can't
stand unassisted, I figure.
The depth of the lead 'keel' at
the point of contact measures 8 1/2"
with a boat width of 5'11".
I am planning on mounting UHMW 'skids'
at these points of contact, with the
idea to make it easier to drag the
boat around.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
All right then,if it is a firm bottom,how about considering
adding a sacrificial shoe to the bottom of your keel and made out of
one of your local hardwoods.Hold the bugger in place with only a
screw up forward and another all the way aft with only 5200 in
between.That way OINK can rub itself all the way to rapture without
ever attacking the main keel and since he does dry out, it will be an
easy task to keep an eye on the wear and tear. Also,two short
sacrificial bits,say about the size of a 2X3 and about 6 inches long
set in more 5200 right on the bottom near the chine,bellow the spot
indicated by Derek,parrallel to the keel,and the forward edge faired
into the bottom profile.
That should hold up for some time unless,that is, you built
your keel exactly to plans,ie;hollow. I can't vouch for the overall
robustness of that setup for repeated grounds and thumpings......
Happy Launch!
Peter Lenihan
> I pottered down on dusk last night to kick over the mud, which isHi Don,
> reasonably firm
All right then,if it is a firm bottom,how about considering
adding a sacrificial shoe to the bottom of your keel and made out of
one of your local hardwoods.Hold the bugger in place with only a
screw up forward and another all the way aft with only 5200 in
between.That way OINK can rub itself all the way to rapture without
ever attacking the main keel and since he does dry out, it will be an
easy task to keep an eye on the wear and tear. Also,two short
sacrificial bits,say about the size of a 2X3 and about 6 inches long
set in more 5200 right on the bottom near the chine,bellow the spot
indicated by Derek,parrallel to the keel,and the forward edge faired
into the bottom profile.
That should hold up for some time unless,that is, you built
your keel exactly to plans,ie;hollow. I can't vouch for the overall
robustness of that setup for repeated grounds and thumpings......
Happy Launch!
Peter Lenihan
This is very heartening information Derek. Skids would be the most
foolproof solution. The only sticking point is aesthetics. But micro
being such a basic boat, I could always plane them off again!
Good and tempting thought, thanks,
DonB
foolproof solution. The only sticking point is aesthetics. But micro
being such a basic boat, I could always plane them off again!
Good and tempting thought, thanks,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> Hi Don
>
> You may be pleasantly surprised by how level a position she settles
into. If
> you're prepared to extrapolate from a scale model, I can tell you
that the
> chine contact point is about six inches forward of the cockpit /
cuddy
> bulkhead. Perhaps a couple of little shoes / skids are all you
need...
>
> cheers
> Derek
Hi Nels,
This is the new site! Though it is generally very sheltered.....the
wind gusts were around 80mph, so quite unusual. Very little
groundswell, because a low reef gives some protection.
I think the real problem was the guys solid wing mast/sail. It would
have been at least 45ft high, and 4 or 5ft wide. With a permanent
boom fixed, it could not be left to weathercock (is this correct), to
follow the wind like a wind vane. So the side forces would have been
enormous when the boat was dried out. Perhaps the outrigger even
collapsed under side pressure on the ground, and when it broke, the
mast would be unsupported.
No, I am reasonably sure a micro would have been ok.
There is no way the Navigator mast will be coming down except for
maintenance. There is such a jungle of bits and pieces, ropes and
clag.........
DonB
This is the new site! Though it is generally very sheltered.....the
wind gusts were around 80mph, so quite unusual. Very little
groundswell, because a low reef gives some protection.
I think the real problem was the guys solid wing mast/sail. It would
have been at least 45ft high, and 4 or 5ft wide. With a permanent
boom fixed, it could not be left to weathercock (is this correct), to
follow the wind like a wind vane. So the side forces would have been
enormous when the boat was dried out. Perhaps the outrigger even
collapsed under side pressure on the ground, and when it broke, the
mast would be unsupported.
No, I am reasonably sure a micro would have been ok.
There is no way the Navigator mast will be coming down except for
maintenance. There is such a jungle of bits and pieces, ropes and
clag.........
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> The huge wing mast seemed to be missing, and we had a
> > big blow a couple of nights earlier. I shuffled over, and found
the
> > mast in four bits. Worse, the star'bd connector was also broken
in
> > half. I suspect she blew back against the cliff, broke the arm
> which
> > dropped the rig. Poor sod.
> > DonB
>
> I hope this isn't where you plan to keep "Oink" or is this at the
> previous mooring site?
>
> The other thing I was wondering about is that I guess you will be
> leaving the mast up most of the time? Do you get storm surges in
the
> new location? I can see where getting tossed around can be a
> challenge, more than the drying out part. Is that correct?
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
The huge wing mast seemed to be missing, and we had a
> big blow a couple of nights earlier. I shuffled over, and found the
> mast in four bits. Worse, the star'bd connector was also broken in
> half. I suspect she blew back against the cliff, broke the arm
which
> dropped the rig. Poor sod.
> DonB
I hope this isn't where you plan to keep "Oink" or is this at the
previous mooring site?
The other thing I was wondering about is that I guess you will be
leaving the mast up most of the time? Do you get storm surges in the
new location? I can see where getting tossed around can be a
challenge, more than the drying out part. Is that correct?
Cheers, Nels
Hi Don
You may be pleasantly surprised by how level a position she settles into. If
you're prepared to extrapolate from a scale model, I can tell you that the
chine contact point is about six inches forward of the cockpit / cuddy
bulkhead. Perhaps a couple of little shoes / skids are all you need...
cheers
Derek
You may be pleasantly surprised by how level a position she settles into. If
you're prepared to extrapolate from a scale model, I can tell you that the
chine contact point is about six inches forward of the cockpit / cuddy
bulkhead. Perhaps a couple of little shoes / skids are all you need...
cheers
Derek
Thanks Nels, your ideas are good for scrubbing off and maintenance.
Also I would get into trouble if solid objects were left there. For
tides going in and out everyday, some sort of self-tending system,
which will stand a little bumping if there is a small chop at the
point between sitting and floating. I think some sort of semi-
destructible shear legs are possibly the answer....ie, if conditions
play up they will give up before destroying the boat!
DonB
Also I would get into trouble if solid objects were left there. For
tides going in and out everyday, some sort of self-tending system,
which will stand a little bumping if there is a small chop at the
point between sitting and floating. I think some sort of semi-
destructible shear legs are possibly the answer....ie, if conditions
play up they will give up before destroying the boat!
DonB
> I would consider placing a fairly large block under each side ofthe
> hull approximately below the location of the ports? Maybe have thedrive
> two blocks joined perhaps by a steel plate underneath with a space
> between in which the keel fits? Just don't sail away with it still
> attached:-)
>
> I would also consider a couple of ramps that people use here to
> cars up onto so it is easier to get under them. Do you have such adepending
> thing over there? You could place them where they fit best
> on the ground profile. Then when the tide goes out the boat would
> settle on them.
>
> Cheers, Nels
Thanks for your musings Peter. I'm making enquiries about the launch
right now, but no ones heard of Buckleys Canadio beer here.
I pottered down on dusk last night to kick over the mud, which is
reasonably firm, and came across a sad sight. I have talked off and
on for a couple of years to the owner of a 35ftx35ft trimaran there.
A high tech machine with wing mast and one wing arm connecting a foil
on each side.The huge wing mast seemed to be missing, and we had a
big blow a couple of nights earlier. I shuffled over, and found the
mast in four bits. Worse, the star'bd connector was also broken in
half. I suspect she blew back against the cliff, broke the arm which
dropped the rig. Poor sod.
DonB
right now, but no ones heard of Buckleys Canadio beer here.
I pottered down on dusk last night to kick over the mud, which is
reasonably firm, and came across a sad sight. I have talked off and
on for a couple of years to the owner of a 35ftx35ft trimaran there.
A high tech machine with wing mast and one wing arm connecting a foil
on each side.The huge wing mast seemed to be missing, and we had a
big blow a couple of nights earlier. I shuffled over, and found the
mast in four bits. Worse, the star'bd connector was also broken in
half. I suspect she blew back against the cliff, broke the arm which
dropped the rig. Poor sod.
DonB
> Hi Don,enough
> Glad to hear that you have found a spot for your"improved" Micro
> OINK.
> To answer your question,alot will depend on how soft the bottom is
> in your mooring field.If soft mud/ooze,then she may settle down
> rather evenly.Otherwise a hard level bottom should see her resting
> on the part of the chine where it is the deepest,like slightly aft
> under the portlight and will assume a slight nose-down attitude.
> Mind you,I have never experienced a dry out mooring......this is
> just my best guess :-)
> So.......I guess this means we all will be seeing some really
> fine photos soon? I sure hope so :-)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,who,if he lived closer,would love to attend the re-
> launching ceremonies of OINK accompanied by vast quantities of
> ales,pilsners,stouts and porto........gee.....it might not even
> matter how OINK settles,just as long as she stops moving long
> to make another beer run :-)
Shame on you Hugo. This was a superior establishment. :)
They were 1000 yr old swamp kauri carved tops, which when hitting the
timber floor from bar stool height, stopped the place cold twice a
night...became quite famous in fact. But sooner or later there would
have been a broken lovely female foot.
DonB
They were 1000 yr old swamp kauri carved tops, which when hitting the
timber floor from bar stool height, stopped the place cold twice a
night...became quite famous in fact. But sooner or later there would
have been a broken lovely female foot.
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> When drunk anything will fall over given enough time!!!! I'm sure a
6 legged bar stool would soon find that its not as stable as it
thought it was when a 14 stone person who had consumed a bottle of
Gin and a few wines and beers sat on it !!!!!
>
> dbaldnz <oink@w...> wrote:Tripods are great Bruce. Except some 40
odd 3-legged bar stools I
> made once, that crashed over with embarrassing regularity when
pushed
> backwards in a bar. Four legs made them safe at some cost to me!
> I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, and
shear
> legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carry
> weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
> Thanks,
> DonB
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
> wrote:
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote: "Can
> > anyone tell me where the chine resting point is please?"
> >
> > Nothing on this little green planet, 3rd. from the sun, is a
stable
> on
> > uneven ground as a tripod. Consider two spud poles on one side to
> make
> > a tripod out of the lowest point of the keel and the base of the
two
> > spuds.
> >
> > Or two spuds near the stern, to make a tripod base with a slightly
> > nose up attitude.
> >
> > Bruce Hector
>
>
>
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I haven't seen the rest of this thread, but on Lake Champlain I used to
see frames with slings which you could drive the boat into, then crank
an enourmous wheel and raise the boat out of the water.
see frames with slings which you could drive the boat into, then crank
an enourmous wheel and raise the boat out of the water.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
hull approximately below the location of the ports? Maybe have the
two blocks joined perhaps by a steel plate underneath with a space
between in which the keel fits? Just don't sail away with it still
attached:-)
I would also consider a couple of ramps that people use here to drive
cars up onto so it is easier to get under them. Do you have such a
thing over there? You could place them where they fit best depending
on the ground profile. Then when the tide goes out the boat would
settle on them.
Cheers, Nels
>> I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, andshear
> legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carryI would consider placing a fairly large block under each side of the
> weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
> Thanks,
> DonB
hull approximately below the location of the ports? Maybe have the
two blocks joined perhaps by a steel plate underneath with a space
between in which the keel fits? Just don't sail away with it still
attached:-)
I would also consider a couple of ramps that people use here to drive
cars up onto so it is easier to get under them. Do you have such a
thing over there? You could place them where they fit best depending
on the ground profile. Then when the tide goes out the boat would
settle on them.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
Glad to hear that you have found a spot for your"improved" Micro
OINK.
To answer your question,alot will depend on how soft the bottom is
in your mooring field.If soft mud/ooze,then she may settle down
rather evenly.Otherwise a hard level bottom should see her resting
on the part of the chine where it is the deepest,like slightly aft
under the portlight and will assume a slight nose-down attitude.
Mind you,I have never experienced a dry out mooring......this is
just my best guess :-)
So.......I guess this means we all will be seeing some really
fine photos soon? I sure hope so :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who,if he lived closer,would love to attend the re-
launching ceremonies of OINK accompanied by vast quantities of
ales,pilsners,stouts and porto........gee.....it might not even
matter how OINK settles,just as long as she stops moving long enough
to make another beer run :-)
> Hi Peter, Nels and Microists.at
> I have found a nice sheltered mooring position, which does dry out
> low tide. Mulling over options - chine rails, shear legsetc....but I
> cannot think of a time when Oink has dried out and laid over,without
> being in a cradle. And looking at the steeply curved keel, I findit
> hard to imagine how she would rest on her side. Can anyone tell meHi Don,
> where the chine resting point is please?
> Thanks,
> DonB
Glad to hear that you have found a spot for your"improved" Micro
OINK.
To answer your question,alot will depend on how soft the bottom is
in your mooring field.If soft mud/ooze,then she may settle down
rather evenly.Otherwise a hard level bottom should see her resting
on the part of the chine where it is the deepest,like slightly aft
under the portlight and will assume a slight nose-down attitude.
Mind you,I have never experienced a dry out mooring......this is
just my best guess :-)
So.......I guess this means we all will be seeing some really
fine photos soon? I sure hope so :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who,if he lived closer,would love to attend the re-
launching ceremonies of OINK accompanied by vast quantities of
ales,pilsners,stouts and porto........gee.....it might not even
matter how OINK settles,just as long as she stops moving long enough
to make another beer run :-)
When drunk anything will fall over given enough time!!!! I'm sure a 6 legged bar stool would soon find that its not as stable as it thought it was when a 14 stone person who had consumed a bottle of Gin and a few wines and beers sat on it !!!!!
dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:Tripods are great Bruce. Except some 40 odd 3-legged bar stools I
made once, that crashed over with embarrassing regularity when pushed
backwards in a bar. Four legs made them safe at some cost to me!
I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, and shear
legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carry
weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
Thanks,
DonB
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dbaldnz <oink@...> wrote:Tripods are great Bruce. Except some 40 odd 3-legged bar stools I
made once, that crashed over with embarrassing regularity when pushed
backwards in a bar. Four legs made them safe at some cost to me!
I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, and shear
legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carry
weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
Thanks,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote: "Canon
> anyone tell me where the chine resting point is please?"
>
> Nothing on this little green planet, 3rd. from the sun, is a stable
> uneven ground as a tripod. Consider two spud poles on one side tomake
> a tripod out of the lowest point of the keel and the base of the twoBolger rules!!!
> spuds.
>
> Or two spuds near the stern, to make a tripod base with a slightly
> nose up attitude.
>
> Bruce Hector
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Tripods are great Bruce. Except some 40 odd 3-legged bar stools I
made once, that crashed over with embarrassing regularity when pushed
backwards in a bar. Four legs made them safe at some cost to me!
I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, and shear
legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carry
weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
Thanks,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
made once, that crashed over with embarrassing regularity when pushed
backwards in a bar. Four legs made them safe at some cost to me!
I was hoping that if Oink found her natural resting point, and shear
legs could then sized to just prop her, rather than carry
weight....ie would not sink into the mud. Maybe I have it wrong.
Thanks,
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote: "Canon
> anyone tell me where the chine resting point is please?"
>
> Nothing on this little green planet, 3rd. from the sun, is a stable
> uneven ground as a tripod. Consider two spud poles on one side tomake
> a tripod out of the lowest point of the keel and the base of the two
> spuds.
>
> Or two spuds near the stern, to make a tripod base with a slightly
> nose up attitude.
>
> Bruce Hector
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote: "Can
anyone tell me where the chine resting point is please?"
Nothing on this little green planet, 3rd. from the sun, is a stable on
uneven ground as a tripod. Consider two spud poles on one side to make
a tripod out of the lowest point of the keel and the base of the two
spuds.
Or two spuds near the stern, to make a tripod base with a slightly
nose up attitude.
Bruce Hector
anyone tell me where the chine resting point is please?"
Nothing on this little green planet, 3rd. from the sun, is a stable on
uneven ground as a tripod. Consider two spud poles on one side to make
a tripod out of the lowest point of the keel and the base of the two
spuds.
Or two spuds near the stern, to make a tripod base with a slightly
nose up attitude.
Bruce Hector
Hi Peter, Nels and Microists.
I have found a nice sheltered mooring position, which does dry out at
low tide. Mulling over options - chine rails, shear legs etc....but I
cannot think of a time when Oink has dried out and laid over, without
being in a cradle. And looking at the steeply curved keel, I find it
hard to imagine how she would rest on her side. Can anyone tell me
where the chine resting point is please?
Thanks,
DonB
I have found a nice sheltered mooring position, which does dry out at
low tide. Mulling over options - chine rails, shear legs etc....but I
cannot think of a time when Oink has dried out and laid over, without
being in a cradle. And looking at the steeply curved keel, I find it
hard to imagine how she would rest on her side. Can anyone tell me
where the chine resting point is please?
Thanks,
DonB