Re: [bolger] Re: Loose Moose
After reading your post Bob I went and looked at the drawings of the Loose
Moose. It appears that the rudder seems awfully small for a sharpie this
size.
Making leeway in boats that are designed for shallow water is
problematic to say the least. A sharpie with the boards raised has very
little hull in the water for any lateral resistance.
So you can see you it's hard to have both, that is, cruising in thin
water and having lateral resistance. You must settle for one or the other,
making less leeway with deeper draft or more leeway with the wonderful
ability to go in shallow water.
To maintain any type of steering in a shallow draft boat where windage
is an issue you need to use the motor and higher speed of that motor to
maintain steerage.
As far as the accommodations are concerned, this simply is the nature of
the design.
However, I expect most of problem comes from two small a rudder. That might
have been remedied somehow. Don
Moose. It appears that the rudder seems awfully small for a sharpie this
size.
Making leeway in boats that are designed for shallow water is
problematic to say the least. A sharpie with the boards raised has very
little hull in the water for any lateral resistance.
So you can see you it's hard to have both, that is, cruising in thin
water and having lateral resistance. You must settle for one or the other,
making less leeway with deeper draft or more leeway with the wonderful
ability to go in shallow water.
To maintain any type of steering in a shallow draft boat where windage
is an issue you need to use the motor and higher speed of that motor to
maintain steerage.
As far as the accommodations are concerned, this simply is the nature of
the design.
However, I expect most of problem comes from two small a rudder. That might
have been remedied somehow. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob archibald" <arch@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:50 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Loose Moose
> Hi my name is Bob archibald--and I just recently sold my Loose
> Moose. And yes I did take a beating on the boat so far as investment-
> and return was concerned. I would suggest to anyone looking for a
> live aboard boat that there are much better answers than the loose
> moose. We owned the boat aprox 31/2 years and used it primarily in
> fresh water on the tennessee river and later in salt water in
> Florida. The moose is great for shallow water cruising but it is not
> much when it comes to manuvering in close quarters under power and it
> gets even worse if you have to pull the board up in shallow water,
> the windage3 is terrific There is a lot of lost space inside the boat
> and the side decks are very narrow so that you are walking forward
> indian fashion one foot in front of the other. The boat because of
> it's freeboard is like living in a cave and the climbing up the
> ladder particularly if you are trying to carry something, like coffee
> or food to someone on deck is really inconvient to the point of being
> very frustrating and somewhat dangerous. I like my other Bolger boats
> but the moose was a mistake(costly)
> Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> > >I would like to contact any members of the group who have had some
> > >experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
> >
> > >Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a
> concern,
> > >resale value is more important.
> >
> > I believe a Loose Moose was recently sold for what the
> seller/builder
> > claimed was less than the cost of materials.
> >
> > Bob Wise, who commissioned the Loose Moose, is very forth coming
> > about his experiences with her. I expect you'd find a
> correspondence
> > with him illuminating.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
> > CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> > 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> > New York, NY 10001
> > (212) 243-1636
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
> - no flogging dead horses
> - add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> - stay on topic and punctuate
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>
After seeing your AS39 at www.ace.net.au/schooner/sites2.htm I was a bit
surprised by your comments. Perhaps the glowing review of your boat there
should be revised. It would appear to be a disservice to other prospective
builders written as is.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: bob archibald [mailto:arch@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:50 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Loose Moose
Hi my name is Bob archibald--and I just recently sold my Loose
Moose. And yes I did take a beating on the boat so far as investment-
and return was concerned. I would suggest to anyone looking for a
live aboard boat that there are much better answers than the loose
moose. We owned the boat aprox 31/2 years and used it primarily in
fresh water on the tennessee river and later in salt water in
Florida. The moose is great for shallow water cruising but it is not
much when it comes to manuvering in close quarters under power and it
gets even worse if you have to pull the board up in shallow water,
the windage3 is terrific There is a lot of lost space inside the boat
and the side decks are very narrow so that you are walking forward
indian fashion one foot in front of the other. The boat because of
it's freeboard is like living in a cave and the climbing up the
ladder particularly if you are trying to carry something, like coffee
or food to someone on deck is really inconvient to the point of being
very frustrating and somewhat dangerous. I like my other Bolger boats
but the moose was a mistake(costly)
Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
surprised by your comments. Perhaps the glowing review of your boat there
should be revised. It would appear to be a disservice to other prospective
builders written as is.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: bob archibald [mailto:arch@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:50 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Loose Moose
Hi my name is Bob archibald--and I just recently sold my Loose
Moose. And yes I did take a beating on the boat so far as investment-
and return was concerned. I would suggest to anyone looking for a
live aboard boat that there are much better answers than the loose
moose. We owned the boat aprox 31/2 years and used it primarily in
fresh water on the tennessee river and later in salt water in
Florida. The moose is great for shallow water cruising but it is not
much when it comes to manuvering in close quarters under power and it
gets even worse if you have to pull the board up in shallow water,
the windage3 is terrific There is a lot of lost space inside the boat
and the side decks are very narrow so that you are walking forward
indian fashion one foot in front of the other. The boat because of
it's freeboard is like living in a cave and the climbing up the
ladder particularly if you are trying to carry something, like coffee
or food to someone on deck is really inconvient to the point of being
very frustrating and somewhat dangerous. I like my other Bolger boats
but the moose was a mistake(costly)
Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >I would like to contact any members of the group who have had someconcern,
> >experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
>
> >Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a
> >resale value is more important.seller/builder
>
> I believe a Loose Moose was recently sold for what the
> claimed was less than the cost of materials.correspondence
>
> Bob Wise, who commissioned the Loose Moose, is very forth coming
> about his experiences with her. I expect you'd find a
> with him illuminating.Bolger rules!!!
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, or spamming
- no flogging dead horses
- add something: take "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
- stay on topic and punctuate
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
Hi my name is Bob archibald--and I just recently sold my Loose
Moose. And yes I did take a beating on the boat so far as investment-
and return was concerned. I would suggest to anyone looking for a
live aboard boat that there are much better answers than the loose
moose. We owned the boat aprox 31/2 years and used it primarily in
fresh water on the tennessee river and later in salt water in
Florida. The moose is great for shallow water cruising but it is not
much when it comes to manuvering in close quarters under power and it
gets even worse if you have to pull the board up in shallow water,
the windage3 is terrific There is a lot of lost space inside the boat
and the side decks are very narrow so that you are walking forward
indian fashion one foot in front of the other. The boat because of
it's freeboard is like living in a cave and the climbing up the
ladder particularly if you are trying to carry something, like coffee
or food to someone on deck is really inconvient to the point of being
very frustrating and somewhat dangerous. I like my other Bolger boats
but the moose was a mistake(costly)
Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
Moose. And yes I did take a beating on the boat so far as investment-
and return was concerned. I would suggest to anyone looking for a
live aboard boat that there are much better answers than the loose
moose. We owned the boat aprox 31/2 years and used it primarily in
fresh water on the tennessee river and later in salt water in
Florida. The moose is great for shallow water cruising but it is not
much when it comes to manuvering in close quarters under power and it
gets even worse if you have to pull the board up in shallow water,
the windage3 is terrific There is a lot of lost space inside the boat
and the side decks are very narrow so that you are walking forward
indian fashion one foot in front of the other. The boat because of
it's freeboard is like living in a cave and the climbing up the
ladder particularly if you are trying to carry something, like coffee
or food to someone on deck is really inconvient to the point of being
very frustrating and somewhat dangerous. I like my other Bolger boats
but the moose was a mistake(costly)
Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >I would like to contact any members of the group who have had someconcern,
> >experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
>
> >Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a
> >resale value is more important.seller/builder
>
> I believe a Loose Moose was recently sold for what the
> claimed was less than the cost of materials.correspondence
>
> Bob Wise, who commissioned the Loose Moose, is very forth coming
> about his experiences with her. I expect you'd find a
> with him illuminating.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
> CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
> 134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> (212) 243-1636
> The boat would be used for minimal coastal cruising, but most of theWhat kind of workshop? A place to tie trout flies is a lot easier to
> time as a residence for one person and a dog, and a mother- ship for
> my MJ. A studio/office and separate workshop is required. I am not
> interested in a conventional houseboat design.
fit in than a woodworking or machine shop
You might look into a custom interior in a Bolger Solution 48
Motorsailor. There is plenty of room, and since the middle of the
boat is divided by the centerboard, the possibility of getting a
little space cut off from the rest. The construction is steel, which
can be economical to build if you are lucky and clever, and which
would likely hold its value better than plywood. The boat is
described in Different Boats.
The Breakdown Schooner is 47' and the interior space is divided. I
don't think too much of it has standing headroom, though.
Peter
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
(at times as little as half) the materials bill. :(
Designs, created to meet specific requirements, that look different
from conventional standards can be hard to re-sell. Add to this
homebuilt, then add the fact that those most interested usually want
to build themselves.
The upside is, if someone is selling the boat you want, chances are
you can get a great boat for a great price.
Rick
> >Although the cost of construction - materials and time is aconcern,
> >resale value is more important.seller/builder
> I believe a Loose Moose was recently sold for what the
> claimed was less than the cost of materials.From what I've seen this is often the case, re-sale value is less
>
(at times as little as half) the materials bill. :(
Designs, created to meet specific requirements, that look different
from conventional standards can be hard to re-sell. Add to this
homebuilt, then add the fact that those most interested usually want
to build themselves.
The upside is, if someone is selling the boat you want, chances are
you can get a great boat for a great price.
Rick
>I would like to contact any members of the group who have had someI believe a Loose Moose was recently sold for what the seller/builder
>experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
>Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a concern,
>resale value is more important.
claimed was less than the cost of materials.
Bob Wise, who commissioned the Loose Moose, is very forth coming
about his experiences with her. I expect you'd find a correspondence
with him illuminating.
YIBB,
David
CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
134 W.26th St. 12th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 243-1636
I would like to contact any members of the group who have had some
experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
The boat would be used for minimal coastal cruising, but most of the
time as a residence for one person and a dog, and a mother- ship for
my MJ. A studio/office and separate workshop is required. I am not
interested in a conventional houseboat design.
Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a concern,
resale value is more important. For instance, is the ply wood
construction really all that much more cost effective in time and
materials - sheathed with fibreglass cloth and finished to a
reasonable level when compared to say, a similar sized strip planked
conventional design which may retain a higher resale value.
Peter Adams
Hervey Bay Queensland 4655
Australia
Telephone: 61 7 4125 3144
Fax: 61 7 4125 3123
Email:seabird@...
experience with Bolger's Loose Moose.
The boat would be used for minimal coastal cruising, but most of the
time as a residence for one person and a dog, and a mother- ship for
my MJ. A studio/office and separate workshop is required. I am not
interested in a conventional houseboat design.
Although the cost of construction - materials and time is a concern,
resale value is more important. For instance, is the ply wood
construction really all that much more cost effective in time and
materials - sheathed with fibreglass cloth and finished to a
reasonable level when compared to say, a similar sized strip planked
conventional design which may retain a higher resale value.
Peter Adams
Hervey Bay Queensland 4655
Australia
Telephone: 61 7 4125 3144
Fax: 61 7 4125 3123
Email:seabird@...
I'd like to contact Bob & Sheila Wise to discuss the capabilities of
their Loose Moose. I understand it is no more due to lightning. Very
sad indeed!
their Loose Moose. I understand it is no more due to lightning. Very
sad indeed!