Re: [bolger] Re: New Navigator Website

--- john henry wrote:
> Raka ... Florida

The last time I bought from Raka
I paid $239 for six gallons
and the shipping was $45 to
California. $47.33/gallon

In the last two+ years I've used 13 gallons;

...building my
Micro Navigator upgrade,
and a Teal,
and a Spur II,
and a Kotick,
and a Yellow Leaf,
and a Tortoise and
and rebuilding my Michalak Roar
....which was crushed by a rock slide,
and building two coffee tables
and two work tables,
and patching the leaky roof on my motorhome
and repairing my my rusted out lawn mower.

Handy stuff, epoxy.
John, I have used System III, West System and RAKA Marine epoxies and liked the RAKA experience the best. Larry the owner was helpful and the product was comparatively cheap. I do like West systems Bi-axial tape the best but RAKA usually has something on sale so cheap that I usually go with it.

Good luck with your choice. I used about 50 Gallons and still got better at mixing and handling right up to the last gallon.

Cheers,
Don

john henry <old99jh@...> wrote:
Chuck, Derek, Roger, and Bruce (did I miss someone?)
Thanks for the input and suggestions--I really do appreciate it.

>>The Navigator rig, with all the pullies/sheaves/lines/cleats
is a big job to tackle. If I was building a classic Micro, I would try the simple sprit rig, using polytarp if necessary,
first.

Bruce, after thinking about it, you're right. I had lunch with a co-worker/builder who also suggested that rather than try to do too much at one shot it would be better to stick with the tried and proven. Save the tackling something that's new--especially to me--for later when the bugs are all worked out. But he did give me his 100 Rigs book just to make things worse...

Lead. I never thought of battery recyclers, it's a thought--I think that there's one in Eugene--or at least use to be. Cookies might work...

Doug fir ply: I've had pretty good success with it on previous projects.

Of course every mention of DF and checking comes up. Yes, checking is an issue, but on my last two boats I painted them with water-based latex (ala Dave Carnell, Payson) and found that I could easily go 2 years without any problems. I think that the "breathing" capability of latex has something to do with it. It still checks but to me it doesn't seem to be as bad as when I used oil based paints. Plus I found that the latex sands easily, especially with my dual-action Ryobi--my last boat was a Skimmer clone and I could scuff it in about 20 minutes, paint it in another 30 and use it 2 hours after that. Not a gold-plater, but not bad either. Fresh paint every couple of years kept it looking pretty good. I found it to be somewhat relaxing--used to call it "talking" to the boat. My wife thought I was nuts...

Has anyone here used Progressive Epoxies? Their prices seem good. What about John Greer in San Diego? Raka has good prices but they're absolutely as far from here as you can get and still be in the US. Any comments?

Gentlemen, I appreciate the advice. Please keep it coming.

John

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Chuck, Derek, Roger, and Bruce (did I miss someone?)
Thanks for the input and suggestions--I really do appreciate it.

>>The Navigator rig, with all the pullies/sheaves/lines/cleats
is a big job to tackle. If I was building a classic Micro, I would try the simple sprit rig, using polytarp if necessary,
first.

Bruce, after thinking about it, you're right. I had lunch with a co-worker/builder who also suggested that rather than try to do too much at one shot it would be better to stick with the tried and proven. Save the tackling something that's new--especially to me--for later when the bugs are all worked out. But he did give me his 100 Rigs book just to make things worse...

Lead. I never thought of battery recyclers, it's a thought--I think that there's one in Eugene--or at least use to be. Cookies might work...

Doug fir ply: I've had pretty good success with it on previous projects.

Of course every mention of DF and checking comes up. Yes, checking is an issue, but on my last two boats I painted them with water-based latex (ala Dave Carnell, Payson) and found that I could easily go 2 years without any problems. I think that the "breathing" capability of latex has something to do with it. It still checks but to me it doesn't seem to be as bad as when I used oil based paints. Plus I found that the latex sands easily, especially with my dual-action Ryobi--my last boat was a Skimmer clone and I could scuff it in about 20 minutes, paint it in another 30 and use it 2 hours after that. Not a gold-plater, but not bad either. Fresh paint every couple of years kept it looking pretty good. I found it to be somewhat relaxing--used to call it "talking" to the boat. My wife thought I was nuts...

Has anyone here used Progressive Epoxies? Their prices seem good. What about John Greer in San Diego? Raka has good prices but they're absolutely as far from here as you can get and still be in the US. Any comments?

Gentlemen, I appreciate the advice. Please keep it coming.

John

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Check with roofers in your area - they typically run into a lot of
lead from flashings they tear off buildings, and many just trash it.
Here in Eugene, OR (hello, neighbor!) there's a company that recycles
shingles into road surfacing, and they accept tear-offs. They get
TONS of lead flashings in their material.

Chuck

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, john henry <old99jh@y...> wrote:
> Bruce, classic Micro, but I'm thinking of using the Navigator's rig
however.
>
> Yes, the lead thing has me a little miffed--I haven't located a
cheap source of scrap yet, local tire dealers aren't too sympathetic
as the area here is a big on hunting and there are lots of reloaders
here. The search goes on.
>
> Plywood: I live in the heart of plywood country (Douglas County--as
in Douglas fir) Roseburg Forest Products is one of the largest ply
makers in the world--but can we get a deal on good ply? Nooooo. But
there is a small mill in Coos Bay that will custom make sheets up to
5X20--the owner hand lays it himself. I talked to him about a year
ago but need to do so again--maybe in a week or so. He seemed pretty
reasonable and stocked a number of different kinds of wood, but can
get any veneer made. Its funny, I can buy all sorts of clear wood for
planking reasonably in the area cheap but plywood?
>
> Thanks for the input--I'll take all I can get.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- john henry <old99jh@y...> wrote:
> > I just received my Micro plans and
> > want to start in the next couple of weeks.
>
> A classic Micro, or the Navigator?
>
> As you might be beginning to realize,
> the construction of the bare hull is
> only a small portion of the work and
> cost.
>
> Don't economize by using inferior
> plywood on the hull. I like the
> five ply 1/4" marine Meranti plywood.
>
> Also, buy your epoxy in bulk, I liked
> the prices and service from www.raka.com.
>
> Casting the lead ballast was easier than
> I had feared. If you are using lead from
> tire balancing wheel weights, I recommend
> a two step melt, once to remove the steel
> clips (say 20lbs at a time), and once again
> for the big pour.
>
>
>
>
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Someone on rec.boats.building suggested the X-ray department of the hospital
gets stuff in lead-lined containers which were then scrapped. No radiation
hazard. It's been several years so my memory is iffy.

Roger
derbyrm at starband.net
http://derbyrm.mystarband.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "john henry" <old99jh@...>

> Yes, the lead thing has me a little miffed--I haven't located a cheap
source of scrap yet, local tire dealers aren't too sympathetic as the area
here is a big on hunting and there are lots of reloaders here. The search
goes on.
--- john henry wrote:

> Bruce, classic Micro, but I'm
> thinking of using the
> Navigator's rig however.

The original rig is elegant in it's
simplicity. The Navigator rig, with
all the pullies/sheaves/lines/cleats
is a big job to tackle. If I was building
a classic Micro, I would try the simple
sprit rig, using polytarp if necessary,
first.

> Yes, the lead....local
> tire dealers aren't too sympathetic

Start bringing them home made
cookies, then ask for the lead.

> Douglas fir

...has moderately good rot resistance
and is strong. A good value here in
California, shipped to us from Oregon.

> Its funny, I can buy all sorts of clear wood
> for planking reasonably in the area cheap but
> plywood?

I made my mizzen mast out of Home Depot DougFir
2x4's and was test pulling on it, and it
cracked at some crooked grain. I recommend
choosing 'straight grain' for spars.

Interestingly, the Bolger boat, Burgundy has
a "hard chine simple bend shape" which you
would think to be ideal for plywood, and Bolger
specifies planking. 3/4" planking wouldn't
make the tight bends needed for Micro, though.
Hi John

If you have not yet done so, you might try finding out where your nearest
truck and car battery recyclers is. These guys can pump molten lead into
your homemade keel mold as though they were pumping gas. Price, at least
around here, [BC] was cheaper than buying scrap lead.

cheers
Derek
Bruce, classic Micro, but I'm thinking of using the Navigator's rig however.

Yes, the lead thing has me a little miffed--I haven't located a cheap source of scrap yet, local tire dealers aren't too sympathetic as the area here is a big on hunting and there are lots of reloaders here. The search goes on.

Plywood: I live in the heart of plywood country (Douglas County--as in Douglas fir) Roseburg Forest Products is one of the largest ply makers in the world--but can we get a deal on good ply? Nooooo. But there is a small mill in Coos Bay that will custom make sheets up to 5X20--the owner hand lays it himself. I talked to him about a year ago but need to do so again--maybe in a week or so. He seemed pretty reasonable and stocked a number of different kinds of wood, but can get any veneer made. Its funny, I can buy all sorts of clear wood for planking reasonably in the area cheap but plywood?

Thanks for the input--I'll take all I can get.

John



Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
--- john henry <old99jh@...> wrote:
> I just received my Micro plans and
> want to start in the next couple of weeks.

A classic Micro, or the Navigator?

As you might be beginning to realize,
the construction of the bare hull is
only a small portion of the work and
cost.

Don't economize by using inferior
plywood on the hull. I like the
five ply 1/4" marine Meranti plywood.

Also, buy your epoxy in bulk, I liked
the prices and service from www.raka.com.

Casting the lead ballast was easier than
I had feared. If you are using lead from
tire balancing wheel weights, I recommend
a two step melt, once to remove the steel
clips (say 20lbs at a time), and once again
for the big pour.




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--- john henry <old99jh@...> wrote:
> I just received my Micro plans and
> want to start in the next couple of weeks.

A classic Micro, or the Navigator?

As you might be beginning to realize,
the construction of the bare hull is
only a small portion of the work and
cost.

Don't economize by using inferior
plywood on the hull. I like the
five ply 1/4" marine Meranti plywood.

Also, buy your epoxy in bulk, I liked
the prices and service from www.raka.com.

Casting the lead ballast was easier than
I had feared. If you are using lead from
tire balancing wheel weights, I recommend
a two step melt, once to remove the steel
clips (say 20lbs at a time), and once again
for the big pour.
Gentlemen
I for one appreciate your putting your construction photos online. I just received my Micro plans and want to start in the next couple of weeks. I find having pictures to look at inspiring as well as instructional.


For what it's worth, I have some web space available (and a domain) that could be used if anyone else on the list who is a Micro owner or builder would like to display some photos�but doesn�t have the knowledge or capability to create their own album or web pages--with no advertising or obligation (yes, there is an ulterior motive here--to look at more pictures). I can set the pages up fairly easily. If anyone is interested, contact me off-board.



John











bruce@...wrote:
>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>
> DonB

Seeing Don's website for his Micro Navigator
inspired me to consolidate some of my photos
of my Micro Navigator project into one place:

http://community.webshots.com/album/121069753OCENAu



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>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>
> DonB

Seeing Don's website for his Micro Navigator
inspired me to consolidate some of my photos
of my Micro Navigator project into one place:

http://community.webshots.com/album/121069753OCENAu
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, frboblynn@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/24/04 9:54:24 PM, oink@w... writes:
Should I
> have been
> able to see more.


You Bet!!! But you have to click on one of the thumbnails at the top
or bottom of the page :-).......
It's a great site, for a great boat, with great pictures........can
it get any greater?! Sure it can! Just wait until Don starts posting
some great sailing shots!!

Great fun for all to see!

Sincerely,

Peter,just feeling great,Lenihan, with near zero temps in the
forecast,from along the shores of the great St.Lawrence...........
Don
Excellent job! I know the agony of slaving away over hot web pages
and offer my condolences. Thanks for the hard work.

Too, it's encouraging to see another boat take life--even again. It
helps get through the winter.

Thanks again and job well done.
John
In a message dated 2/24/04 9:54:24 PM,oink@...writes:

<<http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/>>

Thanks for this. Pretty. Where's the real boat and nitty, gritty
construction pics
I was hoping to see. I got only something called the "Front Page." Should I
have been
able to see more.

Best wishes,
boblynn
frboblynn@...
wonderful site...so, how does it sail?

David Jost
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> I have been spending nights in the fascinating madness of html,
> producing a website for my Micro/Navigator/Dinghy production, but
was
> waiting for on-the-water photos, which most of us like most.
> Several people have asked me for details of the navigator recently,
> so best to get the thing up now and add sailing shots later. Please
> ask any questions if you want.
>
>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>
> DonB

Hi Don,

Great website and great conversion. Makes me even more excited about
a Long Micro version. But I can see that the devil is in the details.
And there are a lot more details in the Nav version. With those holes
in the ozone layer, you will never regret adding the pilothouse I
would think. The new color scheme also looks good.

Looking forward to seeing Oink under full press with a bone in her
teeth. Also loved the artwork!

I am not certain, but it seems to me I read somewhere that the
Navigator was designed for a circumnavigation of Great Britain, which
I think would be more doable.

Cheers, Nels
--- dbaldnz wrote:
> a website for my Micro/Navigator/Dinghy

Wow, cool web page. Seeing the size of the
main sail, whew, that seems like a lot of
sail for such a small boat. I guess that
is what reefing is for...how are you planning
to rig the main sail for reefing?
I have been spending nights in the fascinating madness of html,
producing a website for my Micro/Navigator/Dinghy production, but was
waiting for on-the-water photos, which most of us like most.
Several people have asked me for details of the navigator recently,
so best to get the thing up now and add sailing shots later. Please
ask any questions if you want.

http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/

DonB